The Evolution of Cycling Groupsets: How Shimano's Auto Shift Drivetrain Works 

Obviously you don't own an emtb and haven't broken 6 chains in a year. If I deleted your memory and instincts and told you to gear change while pedaling your bike up hill you would break teeth off your cassette. This new system is for racing or people that are sick of the current derailleur limits

Yep, small advantage with huge disadvantages. Even a child can learn to properly shift but when there's inevitably a problem it's going to be a big old bill and likely not something you can fix at home. It's like creating a robot to wipe your ass, sure some people may need it but most are OK as is lmao.

@@janeblogs324 If you break 6 chains a year, there's something to be said of your technique; it's most likely very bad. Any bicycle rider with some skill level would know that shifting to a larger gear under load is hard on the drivetrain, ebike or non-ebike. It's common sense. You're in the wrong gear range when starting the climb...you don't get into the right gear range during the climb...that's one of the techniques you would've developed if you first started riding on a non-ebike. Racers will always prefer to manually select their gears. Yes, the gear shifting has gotten quicker, but all professional racers (F1, MotoGP, etc.) still manually select gears. Lastly, you, the rider, is the derailleur limitation. I think the bicycle industry is going into the direction where the companies are trying to provide solutions to problems that don't exist.

@@TigerClaw03 then shimano or SRAM axis isn't for you. These new electronic shifting gears are designed for full power thoughtless shifting. You sound like one of those rim brake fanatics that don't want change and want to ride slower while bashing all new technology.

@@janeblogs324 I think you highlighted the issue; "thoughtless shifting". Contrary to your statement, knowing when to shift or what gear range you need to be in is a skill. In my opinion, a lot of skills (body weight distribution, shifting, taking better lines, etc) are developed far better when a newbie starts out on an non-ebike than an ebike. Look, I'm all up for new technologies for cycling, but I think, as I previously posted, companies are developing solutions for problems that don't exist. Bikes are already expensive at the enthusiast level, but do we really want to go into the direction of new bikes being $15k+? On top of the non-serviceability of the ebike motors to the at-home mechanic? FYI - I have a Stumpjumper with an AXS drivetrain and a YT Decoy.

Whatever is cheap and works is what I want. Could be electronic or not, don’t care.

Try it ... You will be amazed

I bought it month ago for my Spectral:ON 23 (EP801)....and I love it!!! It's a game changer...on the Downhill correct gear for a extra kick if you need 💪🍻🥳

I thought part of the idea was you could use it as auto ,semi auto or full manual. So it sorta is for everyone! I do say sorta because of the price point and simpler systems have less that can go wrong. my thing would be does it chose the right gear another words how good is the mapping, but that's why it's good to always have the full manual option available so you can have the best of both worlds

Key words “more money” that’s what they only care about ,which sucks.

Great points - totally agree on all.

Next step, fully autonomous bike. You can sit on your couch and the bike just rides itself and tells you about it afterwards. The ultimate upgrade!

Must say that they can learn a thing or two from SRAM when it comes to launching new products

Because it's not supposed to and doesn't need to be a hyped up thing. It fully replaces Altus, Acera, Alivio and Deore 10 and 11 speed. Most people will not get excited for this stuff and the few that would actively go out looking for an, and let me be honest with myself, odd ball setup like a clutched 36/22t x 11-45t would be these days will already have heard from it. Bike packers might also be interested in it, since the higher grade CUES upgrade the current touring versions of Deore and Deore XT. Well at least the ones that aren't able or willing to spend Rohloff + belt drive levels of money on their bikes. But those who care enough right now in that space will probably also have already heard of it the week it got first announced. And Shimano doesn't really need to advertise their products in the budget and entry level price ranges. Their budget stuff just simply works and does so more reliably and at lower price points then options from the potential competition. So there is no real competition for them here. At least not yet, looking at LTwoo, etc.

@@gedrot2486 1x10 is not fringe at all, it's actually more mainstream than the 12 speed stuff. Most of mountain bikers I know have a standard HG hub, and upgrading to 12 speed is a hassle, and 11 speed gets confusing with all the different standards, but 10 speed just WORKS.

That is because CUES justify itself. All highend products need as much ad as development to convince people to buy and use. Marketing in this tier tech is crucial! Why would you use highend tech? Because you are educated to.

And probably only the shimano motor

"For most PB followers" Not me then. I watch it simply to keep up with new technologies. And I certainly don't get endorphin kicks when I shift gears. I do it, because I have to.

I agree, and I think it further lowers the skill level of newbie level ebikers because you don't even need to learn shifting techniques. The comparison that I think most people understand is a pull-up machine. The eventual goal is to do a pull-up without any assistance from the machine.

Guessing you’re driving a manual car/truck then? 😉

you commented on it. You just added a statistic for them to make another one.

@@TastyGnocchi Not really. RU-vid gives you statistics on the "drops", meaning the people that started to watch the video and quit. I'll be on that one... listened for 1min, than skipped, skipped... close the video.

@@PedroFTeixeira you're still contributing to the activity on the video, making it appear on more people's feeds since it is trendy and people react to it

its already about 400 for the xt groupset with brakes 😀

Exactly! Like pinions new mgu

"i hate it" - Henry

You ever read a review on pinion? No one keeps them, sluggish, power sapping, hard to shift and won't let you shift without skill, oh did I mention the $3000 price tag?

@@janeblogs324 You are referring to the analog version. Go read up on the Pinion MGU with electronic shifting and integrated e-mtb motor and then come back and retract your previous statement.

@@janeblogs324 Man, just watch some reviews on new Pinion MGUs bikes. Shifting is silky smooth, drive system is non-wearable and silent when bike hits an impact. The ability to shift gears automatically and without cranks and wheel rotating is amazing! And there are way more advantages. Here starts the future of eMTB. Shimano with it autoDi2 just suck)

@@daved2023 how much does it cost and can you provide a link to buy the gearbox right now? I'll bet you $1000 you can't answer either because its not a viable option and won't be till someone else releases a consumer option

I am also heterosexual

I really dig the “mtb/surfing” analogy…. I feel you on this one!!!

Keep it simple and affordable. It's why we all loved bikes growing up as kids. It was our first taste of freedom and transportation

@@TypicalGuy84 As much as i ride an acoustic bike, you are literally saying the exact same thing that people said about cars back in the day. "electric, boo!"

@bendoesmtb EV cars do the same thing as ICE cars. They take you point A to point B. By adding motors, automatic or manual transmissions, ABS and other electronics to a pedal bike you are changing it to a completely different form of transportation. I would say a cheaper motorcycle but we are getting close in price.

Sure it's a fun and exciting new tech but let's not pretend they're the same thing. It's like saying a hang glider and airplane are the same

@@TypicalGuy84 it may be like that in your country, but here, ebike are speed restricted to 15.5 mph and therefore aren't going to replace vehicles any time soon I understand your point, but at the same time, why should we care about the tech? In the same way you can buy motorcycles without abs, you can buy bikes without them! I also think a lot of these ideas are probably smart. Derailleurs are stupid, let's be honest. Exposed to the elements, dangling off the bike, and expensive. If you have an ebike already, the fundamentally simpler design is a gearbox within the motor unit, as seen in eurobike. And then a belt rather than chain to reduce wear. I'm not saying all bikes should have gearboxes, but ebikes it's a no brainer. Abs, I can see useful on commuter bikes, as yes MTB having brake control is great, but for a commuter there is no need to learn not to lock rear wheels

you vill buy the gimmicks and like them 😀

Shimano has 8/11speed internal planetary transmission with both manual/Di2

im sure they know about it but shimano had more marketing budget

there's the idea of having all the features of a motorcycle on an e-bike. Basically a pedal-able scooter, more for commutes than bombing single tracks. But hey, this is Pinkbike 🤷‍♂