The evolution of FE2's difficulty 

REAL!

@@friendsam Dark Sci-Facility

harder than dark sci forest

@@elite39395 infiltration is harder than both of those maps

Infiltration is harder than AVM

Same here. I quit in early 2020. Also, you're welcome :)

Chris?

Thanks, and yeah, researching this video was very interesting.

he stole the lore fr

Dude, I love your videos!

@@USERKNKQ bro cannot take jokes. Also bruh I first played the game in 2017 and came back in 2020, also even if I wasn’t playing those 3 years doesn’t mean I haven’t heard from other people or watched videos abt the evolution of map difficulty bruh.

Fair enough.

Yes - I think it goes like Crazy++, Crazy+++, Crazy++++ and then Infinite or something. But I've never needed to venture past Crazy+ so I'm not sure. Also, seeing the development of difficulty was probably the best part while researching for this video.

Extreme (blue) was the difficulty

Thank you :)

Yeah, a lot of people have talked about a similar video but with CM instead (I know you didn't directly say that but you did mention old CM maps), crazy to think we've gone that far in all these years. Also, Axiom is legitimately "hard" (RNG) right now. Axiom is impossible if you get a bad spawn, and Crazyblox still hasn't fixed it.

Calamity music makes anything better!

Thank you :) Hope you had a good Christmas too!

You're welcome. I remember you, and yeah it was nice to beat it early in the morning before I got too stressed.

DSF as harder than PC is interesting, especially given that I view PC as harder than both BM and SSH.

Do you mean AVM was a Crazy+ at the time of it being highlighted? Asking because it used the Crazy difficulty in game. (Also thanks, glad you enjoyed!)

@@just_ducky avm was a crazy+ when it released and when it was highlighted since there was no c+ difficulty avm couldnt be crazy+ ingame

@@Ico4322 Didn't know that. I could've sworn AVM was Crazy when I practised it in CM.

Yeah a lot of OG's do not play anymore. I joined in September 2018 and I also quit the game in early 2020, and returned around 1.5 years later. I have various issues with the current game but I enjoy it enough to play it daily and make content on it, although I'm not really a speedrunner or a player who likes to complete stupidly hard maps in CM. Playing Flood Escape Classic made me realise the potential for shortcuts in FE2, if Crazyblox wasn't so incessant on patching them. If you haven't checked out FEC, please do as the shortcuts in that game are insane.

Lol. I'm pretty sure the oldest playable versions of the game only had 1 Insane - Abandoned Facility.

Thanks :)

Actually didn't know that. Cool info!

What is the lock in policy?

@@shadowv6859 This is the policy where if a map gets added permanently, it can't get updated anymore.

@@shadowv6859 Maps can no longer be updated once they are in game. They can be visually updated (although I don't believe this has happened yet) but cannot receive gameplay changes. Also, I don't think this applies to Highlights.

@@ritLoe4222 Thanks

Fair enough. I remember it got buffed when it was initially added to the game, the Map Test version of the time was way easier.

@@just_ducky it had the initial revamp when it was added (blue box texture and some room revamps, like the horizontal button room) and then recently (already like 9 months ago) it got some of its aspects improved(like lava speed and specially the tower part [button 4 and 5] with some platforms being remove and just leaving the big round pipes. It went from 4.9(original BM) to 5.1(classic BM) to today star rating ( 5.2 - 5.4 BM i Dont remember)

@@Darkerhere Hard to say exactly as the star rating system was only introduced in the latter half of 2023.

Interesting. I'll most likely be back at school by the time the maps are ported, but I could easily work on the video over the weekend when I first go back (assuming your prediction is true) Also, I was convinced it was going to be Sub-Zero. Crazyblox posted a random screenshot of him loading three maps: SZS, DR and one other Crazy+ I forgot the name of. He (or his community manager) posted fanart of SZS around a month back, which was odd as the map hadn't been Highlighted before.

​@@just_ducky Yeah, I'm very sure the maps are almost finished being ported as one of the developers of the project recently made a message detailing a summary of the map remakes they have made so far on the Discord post, which make me fairly certain that all the maps are probably going to be playable soon. A week is just an assumption and not actually something the developers said. But I'm sure they will be ported very soon.

@@sunshineplayz5575 Alright then, I'll make sure to keep on checking.

​@@just_duckyAn update on the project: The creator of the Sinking Ship remake has finally confirmed that it is currently in the process of being ported and should be done so soon if no problems are run into.

@@sunshineplayz5575 Yeah I took a look at the thread (or whatever its called) yesterday and saw a message regarding all the map IDs and the ones that are not ported yet. I'll keep looking at it every now and then, hopefully I'll be able to make the video next month!

Yes, but it was changed a few months ago to patch a glitch called Slide Glide. You cannot Air Dive if you are too close to a wall. Edit: Thanks by the way :)

@@just_ducky Alright, thanks for letting me know!👍

Yeah, I didn't know this at the time but another user commented this as well. Interesting decision from Crazyblox.

The more you know... (shooting star)

@@just_ducky yeah lol

No Its the only Crazy I didn't mention, simply because it wasn't really deemed as a contender for the hardest Crazy at the time of release. Yes, I did also mention DS but at least with DS, it was generally seen as harder than the other four Crazy Maps, but easier than AVM. With SSH, I've seen people say its easier than all the other Crazy Maps, and I don't think I've ever seen anyone claim its harder than DS.

Yay :)

What do you mean by when? Has it been confirmed?

support? do you mean when it gets added to cm?

Oh I meant mirror support

@@ShroomiMyst Oh. I answered it as if it was CM support (it will most likely get mirror support eventually)

Fairly certain its been confirmed. Also rigor jumpscare.

@@just_ducky I have played and beaten a few Crazy+ maps solo and honestly loved sub-zerosphere a lot so i hope it gets added as at least a highlight and possibly even an official map

@@avisashadow7646 Yeah, I want to see SZS and DR into the game as permanents at some point. Not now though, RJ was enough of a pain to beat.

​@@just_ducky I agree, RJ is very annoying because of the inconsistent long jumps and fast pacing COMBINED

Maybe I do? Maybe I don't? Also, your name sounds familiar.

@@just_ducky You definitely do! I enjoyed every single bit of your video, Very high quality as well. You have a bright future if you keep going! And yea I do sound familiar cause I'm very active within the Community.

@@Tateen_ Yeah, I've most likely seen you ingame then.

No idea. But I have a feeling Lighthouse is staying.

Nah, I'm not the right person for that. I don't know a lot about the evolution of FE2CM maps difficulty-wise, and certainly not TRIA. You can always ask a different RU-vidr and maybe they'll heed your suggestion. (I don't have an issue with it)

Yeah, I really like Blue Moon. It isn't my favorite Crazy, but it does hold up very well.

@@DaFuqBoomParody 2019 is closer to FE2's release date than today though.

100% agree

Trough all of these years it just got boring for ppl

I think I remember you.

That difficulty is CM exclusive.

@@just_ducky I know , oh right you didn't meant fe2cm

To access community maps, find the game called FE2 Community Maps (its in FE2's description on the Roblox website). Now you'll need to find a Map ID to load said map. Use the FE2 Wiki or the FE2 Discord Server to search for maps and then copy the map's ID (should be 6 or 7 letters long, a mix of letters, numbers and other characters). Then boot up FE2CM and load the map ID. To hear custom music in the map, load up a website called fe2.io on your browser, and input your Roblox username (NOT DISPLAY NAME). Make sure "FE2IO enabled" is turned on in the ingame settings. If you need any more help, just reply letting me know.

@@just_ducky Thank you :)

@@-kwaqyz-8422 You're welcome!

Alright.

@@just_ducky Although I didn’t play much in that time period, I feel like BM got a bit harder right after the sliding changes. But because I still have a video of me beating BM solo on the old version, I’ve compared the two and it seems like the old version was maybe a bit harder. Of course this may be biased because OG BM was my favorite map to come to the game ever. Other than Beanos.

@@cole0524 Alright. Although there are other things to consider, such as your skill improving between the two versions (especially if you're using footage of BM closer to its initial release).

I actually thought it released in June, but the memory is probably fuzzy. I researched all of these dates on the FE2 wiki, so if anything is wrong by chance, blame whoever vandalized/messed up the wiki.

@@just_ducky Actually your information is correct. I just searched up some yt videos about "Fe2 first crazy map" and it showed me Boonmoon (A FE2 yt creator) He always makes videos of new maps after a day of its release. (He made the video on July 17th 2019).

it's always been crazy+ what is there even to talk abt 😭😭

Uhh... (this is a rough guess and NOT researched) 2017 - Did CM even exist back then? 2018/2019 - Hyperspace 2020 - No idea so I'll say the Real/Deadly Challenge (not sure which one is actually harder) 2021 - No idea either so I'll say Startup Failure Hell Version 2022 - No idea either so I'll stick with 2021 2023 - Rigor?

It could probably work as a video but I don't have the knowledge of FE2CM to make a video like that.

​@@just_duckyjust checked and yes cm did exist in 2017 (sort of) you can check by typing: FE2 map test before:2018 in the youtube search bar

@@floodescaper3364 Nice.

There were people who beat it within 2 hours of it launching. I'm no where near the best of the best on that front, and many people have still yet to complete it.

Was most likely an impersonator but I don't know for sure.

@@just_ducky lol

My source for a lot of this info was the FE2 wiki so some of it might be a little inaccurate. Shouldn't be a massive problem though.

I think DR is harder, but that's just me.

@@just_ducky DR is longer than AJ, but AJ is harder in jumps. For me it doesn’t matter if it’s longer or not

but nothing can beat axiom in difficulty

@@kiprik4k True, I think DR's jumps were slightly easier, but then again I also thought they were more fair.

@@kiprik4k (spawns outside the map)

I do in some ways.

Yeah. I remember the old days with just Blue Moon as the only Crazy Map.

@@just_duckyI kinda miss that time period when it was blue moon and just poisonous chasm actually. Instead of retro mode they should add some sort of Time Machine where you can pick any year you want and it takes you to that version of the game.

@@quitstalkingmefreaks That would be cool. I personally never played the version FE2 Retro uses, so although a lot of it is similar to what I remember, there are things different/missing.

@@just_ducky Yeah that's true. Retro mode takes place in 2018. Personally, I think it should be 2019 instead

@@quitstalkingmefreaks Eh I can understand why, I also believe FEC's Retro mode does the same thing.

Thanks! I don't really know FE2CM nearly as well (at least in the context of this video anyway). And I've never really played TRIA (or any FE2 fangame for that matter), so I won't be doing that. If you want to though, you can suggest this idea to another RU-vidr who perhaps has the knowledge to make a video on CM or a fangame.

I don't know much about Fortnite but I'm fairly certain the OG map returned in November. FE2 Retro was added in April and FEC has had a Retro Mode for years.

Same. I joined FE2 in late 2018. Not quite O.G, but I was in the Dark-Sci era.

Yes. (Also, I had to avoid puns in editing quite a lot lol)

​@@just_duckysometimes it's hard to avoid them 😂

@@ImnotZaz3n yes!

Fair enough. When I revisited the game in August 2021, the map didn't look too much different to the version I was used to.

Its in the name - its random. Each button has a 50% chance of being normal/grouped.

@@just_ducky it’s too common though

@@cat-lv4gj I very rarely see that.

What?

@@just_ducky It's a joke, but 6.9 is referred to as "Extreme" by the community

I'm not the right person to ask, I don't really know what maps would be considered the hardest throughout FE2CM's history. Feel free to ask another creator, I'm happy for them to use this idea and apply it to CM.

@@just_ducky k man, np

EWW 5.99!

I would do something about it, but I'm not 100% sure. Two reasons 1) I asked this question to my community a couple of months back, and despite what I expected, people actually believed my text was on screen for long enough. 2) I just started using 30FPS instead of 25FPS, that might have had some unknown impact on the text (it felt faster to me in editing even though I made them the same length I normally would)

@@just_ducky fair

Naw I'm good.

Real. That first button is annoying sometimes.

Fair enough.

Yes.

I don't know if I agree, but I don't know if I disagree either. I've given that question a hard thought for literally years and I still don't know.

pov: you're trying to beat rj

@@just_ducky I actually beat it yesterday

@@floodescaper3364 Nice. I recorded all the footage yesterday, so that adds up.

merry crminimans

Merr Crimas

What about it?

@@just_ducky w song

@@kingkongcreeper Yes.

@@just_ducky btw, thanks for putting the songs in the description. a lot of other people dont but it really helps :)

@@kingkongcreeper Yeah. Also I think its fair that I at the very least credit the creators appropriately. I've also started to mention the music as it appears in my videos.

How so?

⁠@@just_ducky It’s a bunch of little stuff. For example, the date timeline is poorly represented. The placement and arrangement makes it seem insignificant, almost like footer text. Also, improper nouns like lava and air are capitalized. The script is also written as if you’re speaking with your voice, which isn’t actually happening. That one part where you mentioned your editing mistake felt really awkward, too. I have more criticisms, but it’s just little stuff like this.

@@Astrojox_ I see. (big wall of text incoming) Yeah, I could've definitely done a better job with the date timeline. Now that I think about it, simply having each date fade into each other rather than "snap" would have been better, as it would have been easier to notice when the date is changing. I don't have the editing skills for a fully refined timeline like you would see in more "professional" content. I could definitely learn how to do that, but I also doubt I'll ever need to do it again. Your second criticism is just a habit of mine. I sporadically capitalise words like that just because they are a proper term in FE2. Capitalising something like "air" would be pointless in almost any other context, but because FE2 has a metre used for swimming, it makes sense in my brain. I do understand it is improper grammar, but habits are hard to break. I will try though. I will say though, I don't agree with the claim that it sounds like I'm speaking while using text, but that's just me. Looking back, I can see why the editing mistake felt awkward. Usually I'm pretty good at not falling into the classic trap of copying and pasting a text box and then not changing the text, but I sometimes do. If I do, I always try to actually "recycle" the text box into something purposeful so that its pretty seamless, but I couldn't in this specific scenario. Also, sorry for a massive essay responding to this, this is the first time a video of mine has been properly criticised in a constructive manner, so I just wanted to respond to it the best I can. I'm still happy with the video, but I can agree it isn't my best work. Thanks for all the feedback though :)