I like todays version of OT. While some say it’s a gimmick or the unlimited attempts are stupid, we rarely see any more than 3. 1 was too little and the double file restarts made it better.
Honestly I don’t mind the current system. The only change I would make is limiting it to 3 attempts at road courses and superspeedways. And if someone tries to pull a Harvick nascar should throw the book at them.
It depends what you (collectively) value more. I don’t think anything is right or wrong in absolute terms, but there are decisions that take away from the “integrity” for lack of better terms, of the race that add entertainment value. In a vacuum those decisions are zero sum changes, but if you’re nascar management and entertainment is your priority, then adding overtime is a net positive to you. For me, I think the race itself and how the teams navigate it are the entertainment and when you hit the advertised distance, come hell or high water, the finish is the finish whatever it may be. At the same time, if you have a situation where someone spoils a natural finish they need to be punished to discourage shenanigans. If they don’t, then they create their own incentive to add extra laps on which literally moves the goalpost. People are allowed to like that, I personally think it takes away from the larger race itself in the exact same way the playoffs takes away from the collective season. It depends who you ask and what they care about more. (Edit: does it bother me enough to not watch if I see it on tv? No, but I’m also not going to give nascar any of my money to go out of my way and watch it, and maybe that’s good enough for Phelps)
I think what we currently have is the best possible overtime format a race could have, but then again, maybe one day it’ll get exposed just like every other system, but until that day comes I think we’ve got it good right now.
It already has been exposed. Endless overtime means endless wrecking. See the most recent COTA cup race, pretty much any superspeedway race, trucks, etc
Honestly, NASCAR should go back to one overtime attempt like the GWC from 2004 to 2009, now we have unlimited attempts which is ridiculous. 2023 Daytona 500 for example had 3 overtime restarts, resulting in the longest Daytona 500 ever at 530 miles. Last year's winner Ricky Stenhouse Jr ran out of fuel shortly after the checkered flag, if it wasn't for that final lap caution, Stenhouse (and some other drivers) might have ran out of fuel on the final lap.
Blame Robby Gordon, Bobby Labonte, and the Jr fans for ruining it for the rest of us. What should happen is everyone is mandated to pit 4 tires, full tank, and then start overtime
I agree even if 2023 had only 2, I remember several road races in 2010's having over 3 attempts. I however would change number to 3 on all tracks so we will have less likelihood of drivers gaming system of forcing a wreak for teammates win or really high ranking.
There is no better option as far as overtime. I think the best thing to do is to get rid of unlimited attempts and go back to either one attempt or three attempts. Getting rid of it ain't gonna work because people are gonna be upset about races ending under caution again.
I’m personally heavily in favour of overtime, but it probably shouldn’t be any more than 3 attempts. That said, we wouldn’t have gotten that historic Xfinity Daytona finish where there was a 0.000 separation between the top 2.
I personally think the system we have right now is fine, if they wreck 5 times on the first lap (not even making it to the white) I think thats a driver issue and not a sport issue.
Just make it one attempt at a GWC finish and no more attempts afterwards. Too many wrecks and crashes that could have been avoided if there was only one restart, especially if NASCAR is all about saving teams money then go back to one GWC only. I think you can bring back racing back to the line... as long as it is safe to do so. If a car crashes on the backstretch, that has no impact on getting back to the start/finish line so let them race back to the line in those situations. The 2021 Daytona 500 where McDowell won, the crash was behind them so let the leaders race back to the line. Would have been fun to see Chase & McDowell racing back to the line for the win.
I just go back finish it on a scheduled distance. Less cars to destroy, saves teams money. Newman 2020 crash should've been a wake up call to stop gimmick the hell out of the finish.
We go back to scheduled distance, fans would be throwing beer bottles a-la Talladega. Also, the finish line interview with that going on? Bad press. Overtime has got to be implemented, though not to a ridiculous level like what happened in 2020
@@johnvandeventer8668 What are the odds of wrecking more cars and finish under yellow regardless? Crashes possiblilties always increase during restarts.
@chromediesel444 Even though I do have perks with the current overtime system, I do not think it is entirely responsible for Ryan Newman’s crash. Yes, the aggression that spikes in overtime did lead up to that, but realistically, the crash could have happened even at a restart with 2 laps to go in the normal 200 lap regulation(And at any lap in the race as a matter of fact). While the crash certainly wouldn’t have occurred had there been no overtime procedure, to say it would have only happened then is just incorrect.
@@S.K.R.E.Inc. Interviews shouldn't be on the finish line anyway. Maybe a beer bottle to the head of a cameraman would put the winner back in the winner's circle where they should be.
I wonder just how many modern fans can even imagine just how unpopular Jeff Gordon was in the 90s-00s. Amazing how time mends wounds and things change.
Jeff Gordon was very popular in 2000's after Gen 5 car of tomorrow but before that in 1990's and until 2004 he was hated by most fans. I did not mid Jeff Gordon if Rusty Wallice was doing poorly or DNF (my favorite driver at the time). Most of the love came from people first being Jimmy Johnson fans and Jeff Gordon being teammates then moving to Jeff Gordon after Jimmy Johnson was winning NASCAR Cup every year or almost winning every year becuse rules in playoff format meant to stop Jimmy Johnson in playoffs, actually helped Jimmy Johnson win a few of his Cup trophies he never would have won under older playoffs or points formats.
As a fan of both F1 & Indycar in addition to NASCAR, I am very surprised that either series has yet to adopt the GWC finish. Indycar still has the racing back to the line rule in its rule book though I haven't seen this in Indycar in almost 20 years. Racing back to the line largely ended after the death of Dan Wheldon due to how dangerous it is. Instead Indycar has just ended the race if there is a caution on the last lap. However in recent years Indycar has also introduced a race clock usually set around 2 hours meaning if the race can't conclude within that time frame, everyone is given half points based on where they were when the clock reached zero or where they qualified in the case of races that don't get started due to weather delays. F1 also uses the race clock but it rarely reaches zero in most cases as F1 also has both the virtual safety car & a safety car to make sure laps & the allotted race distance are still completed. The only time that F1 has had an issue with the race clock was at the Belgian GP a couple of years ago where the majority of the time was spent in the paddock due to terrible conditions after running only a couple of laps under the safety car & the FIA simply let the clock run out.
F1 can't do GWC because of the no refueling rule. The closest thing they could do is to abuse the red flag rules like they did in Australia last year, but given how poorly it ended, I don't think they'll try it again soon. They actually suspended the race clock for more than hour in Spa in 2021 citing force majeure, it's just that visibility to start the race was never good enough. A better example of race clock messing up things is Suzuka 2022, as they could only do half ot the race (but to be fair, given how dark it was getting in the end, I think a red flag was near, clock or not).
I really don't like green white checkers, it makes the races longer than they need to, and it unnecessarily takes away wins from drivers. I could've watched Kyle Busch win the Daytona 500, but I didn't because of a lazy spin
Go back to end at scheduled distance. That forces drivers to get the lead as fast as possible in the closing laps because the race can end unpredictably. Some will get lucky/unlucky bc of this but that's racing. Lead as much as you can in case race does end early
@xavierjuno4572 The field would be much more spread out in this situation. They they would be fighting for 1 position and result in a 1, maybe 2 car crash. Then it's done and the race is over. Our current system we rack them up close together and drivers are causing 4 or 5 or 6 car crashes. Then we rack them up and do it again. Far much crashed cars in this situation.
I agree that they should just run the scheduled distance and finish the race however it naturally happens. Overtime is a gimmick and the Daytona 530 last year was absurd. I think things like this hurt NASCAR’s credibility and make it harder to take seriously as a sporting event.
A race should NEVER end under caution! Here's how I would do it: - No scoring loops, all positions determined by video/timing/scoring at the moment the caution comes out at any point during the race, including the finish - Unlimited attempts at a Green/White/Checkered finish - Once the leader has taken the checkered flag, the next flag ends the race A race should only end under caution IF severe weather/darkness impacts the race after halfway, or if the caution comes out AFTER the leader has taken the white flag.
IndyCar should adopt overtime rules as a result of the situation that occurred in the 2023 Indy 500, when three red flags occurred during the final 20 laps, including two in the last ten and the last red flag coming with two laps to go. The rules would be similar to NASCAR except that an overtime finish would be required if a caution began or continued with three laps remaining rather than two, but the restarts would be the same at two laps and there would be a limit of three overtimes.
It is a gimmick. Plus it makes the ending take way longer, especially at super speedways or truck series season finales. I would say the best way is to have 1 GWC attempt if a wreck happens up 5 laps. If they crash again, just end the damn race. I want to move on with my day.
The red flag coming out to get a green finish can be traced back to the 1998 spring race at Richmond. Dale Jarrett fans can probably tell you how they felt about that.
I like how this is, with a slight tweak: If the caution comes out after the white flag, then, and only then, are they allowed to race back to the checkered, but once the winner takes the checkered, the field is frozen at that moment.
Current OT in NASCAR is the best in all of Motorsport. F1 and Indycar should adopt it. Would’ve prevented the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP fiasco and the Indy500 instead of endless red flags all the time.
NASCAR should just do the scheduled distance, or, if overtime, just do 1 and done. No need to drag it on at the cost of something potentially fatal happening.
I'd bring it bac to race to the line IF there aren't cars stopped in the middle of the track. If cars are stopped on the track, a green-white checkered will do it
Well... races have to finish under a checquered flag. I don't mind the Overtime system, but I think the amout of laps behind the Pace Car is too big. On Indy 500 they do 3 at most. So, when the pace car comes out, I suggest that no more than 1 lap should be done extra after the track gets cleaned up. After that lap Green should come out. That would be kind of an issue at like Bristol or Martinsville though, so maybe these tracks will make an exception due to how small they are.
Just end it under caution please. I've had to miss the ends of races a good number of times just because they kept stacking overtime restarts on top of each other and I had commitments after.
It’s laughable to say Jeff Gordon was the most unpopular driver in 2004 😂 without anything to support that statement. I’ve been a NASCAR fan since ‘93 and Tony Stewart was easily the most disliked driver during that time. 🏁✌️😎
Imma be honest, I don’t like the unlimited attempts. I think 3 attempts is good enough and if they can’t finish under green in those 3 attempts, then they’ll finish it under yellow. The reason being is I don’t want another 2020 Clash, 2017 Fall Talladega, 2021 Knoxville, and 2023 Truck Finale. Those were AWFUL races and none of the drivers seemed to want to finish the race, so if they can’t finish on their own, then they shouldn’t be able to. It also helps keep the race on the big channels so that way they don’t have to switch. Other than that, I’m fine with Overtime
It’s funny how everyone is like “we can’t go back to the old way, it’s boring.” Meanwhile everyone also agrees that late 90s early 2000s nascar was the most exciting. Gimmicks are good for excitement today, but they take away from the integrity of the sport. NFL is by far the most popular thing on tv and the majority of the games do not have an exciting ending, at least not at the buzzer. If you’re racing a 400 mile race, whoever is leading at the line after 400 miles is the only legitimate winner. Imagine San Fran having a 14 pt lead in the closing minutes of the superbowl and the refs just give KC 10 points so we don’t have a boring finish. That’s literally what NASCAR would do.
Honestly the way it is now is the way i always wanted it to be, as many attempts as needed until they get to the white flag, once they take the white flag the next flag ends the race, wether its checkered or yellow
Races should end at the advertised distance, even if that means finishing under caution. (And, with IndyCar and F1 inching in this direction [hell, they both basically have a red flag rule], I think that may put me in the "boomer" category of fans where this is concerned.)
Idk this probably an unpopular opinion but I absolutely hate "overtime" in NASCAR. You run the scheduled distance and the leader at that distance wins. Period. Idc how we got there. Absolute total gimmick like a lot of things in the sport right now. I LOVE stock car racing and NASCAR racing in principle. The speed, the sights, the sounds. Love it. But now with stages, OT, playoffs, etc it all feels as a whole like a gimmicky manipulated product as a whole.
The over time line when it was on the back straight was bs cause.thry literally only have half a lap till it's official and NASCAR can just delay it a few seconds and put it out and say "well they made it to the overtime line"
I ironically love the overtime line rule, if only because it led to the absolute chaos of the 2017 Brickyard 400. I love that overtime line. Please bring it back. Do it for the lols!
That may have been the only case of the Overtime Line being needed as it was practically sunset and there was no way in hell they would’ve been able to restart after
Yeah ending under yellow or the one attempt rule would basically be begging for drivers to pull a Harvick every chance they could without getting caught.
@seandamenacee4767 iirc, it was not only for safety after Austin Dillions crash from the July Daytona race, but it was to "balance the number of exciting finishes." So it was as if they were asking for a botched finish, and this is what we got.
I like the 2010-15 3 GWC's. I find it kind of weird that the reason cited why they changed it in 2015 was in response to the Austin Dillon crash, even though there was only 1 GWC that night/morning, and it happened as they were crossing the line to finish.
Agreed, multiple GWC and drivers act stupid, and it just drags on forever...I'd much rather a race end at scheduled distance under yellow than to take 2 hours, 2 red flags and 3 GWC to finish, that's just annoying.
I think the original is best. One attempt, if the caution cones out at any time, race is over. If these drivers are too squirrelly to finish it cleanly, then that's on them
Two drivers are inches apart racing back to the checkered flag to win the Daytona 500... but if one of them farts wrong NASCAR will throw the caution. Maybe a slight exaggeration but i don't understand how fans put up with this anymore.
The Jr fanbase are such sore losers after hearing Jeff Gordon's POV at Talladega in a podcast. But they also exposed how finishing under caution might be the lamest way to finish a race. Overtime isn't perfect rn, because it's limited to only 2 laps. It should vary depending on the type of track they're on. If on a superspeedway, 10 laps overtime, race ends if The Big Wreck happens. If the leader's ahead, race it back to the checkered like the old days. Intermediates get 3 laps, same rules apply, short tracks get 20, still same ruleset. Also, no more than 3 attempts under CRINGE network, NBC can make it 5 cause the booth is better
I hate NASCAR Overtime. It robs people of wins. The race should end at the scheduled distance. But NASCAR at this point is a far throw away from the days of "May the best man win". They are just focused on keeping the cars as close together as possible, and they will call as many cautions as they need to make that happen.
I'm boring here. My favorite ending is the scheduled distance. If it finishes under caution? So be it. The overtime rules have ruined some interesting strategy races, which honestly I think have their place in the sport. Creates for different kinds of finishes adding to the unpredictability of the sport. Yeah, maybe not with a chaotic finish, but sometimes with a mid pack car making a gutsy strategy call and being rewarded with the win.
I prefer the 1 attempt at overdrive. Especially since we're supposed to be saving the teams money nowadays and time consumption wouldn't be so bad as in the races wouldn't drag on past the originally advertised distance
So in other words, nascar was altered because of popular drivers and legends being “wronged” or put in danger. If it was a back marker, none of these things would be put in place today. Thank you Brian France.
The current format is probably the best if you went back to the race ending under yellow people would be up in arms. Certain tracks could use limits of 1-3 to this rule like COTA. Last year the last 2 laps took like 30 mins with all the wrecks.
I like the idea of the GWC, though can see the appeal of just ending the race, so that cars don't get banged up. $$$ talks. If they complete one GWC lap, the next flag ends the race is best. The half lap thing was stupid. If not 1 lap completed, 3 tries is good. Though can we possibly get a couple more laps at short tracks. That's too few.
If the final lap comes with the Caution, I would wave the Yellow-Black Checkered flag and add 10 laps to create time to finish under the green aka checkered flag.
I think the current system is good. The only complaint I have is when we have races that keep stacking up at the end, NASCAR has a habit of turning a blind eye if another wreck happens before the white flag. They have ample time to throw the yellow, but let the leader take the white flag first to officially make it the last attempt before throwing a caution. Just be consistent with the yellows is all I ask.
Overtime is cool. But it gets annoying if a suspect caution comes out to bunch the whole field up. Nascar and the rule book can go to hell. As much as I hate the FIA governing body. It beats the nascar rule book in regards to there model of entertainment. Just my opinion
superspeedways: finish under yellow Road courses, rack em up at the end of sector 2 on the track and one try at green white checkered Ovals, 3 attempts Short tracks, unlimited amount because it’s just fun to watch.
The fact that we STILL haven't axed the green white checkered attempts and just gone back to just racing to the advertised distance UNLESS DEEMED IMPOSSIBLE after the asinine GWC nonsense that happened last season is a crime all of it's own.
In recent years, I've really started disliking OT. The worst version was the OT line with the infinite number of OTs coming close. I say get rid of OT and go scheduled distance but I know that won't happen. RIP Toby Keith 🙏.
I hate them too, it just drags on and unnecessarily tears up cars, I say get rid of them, because no matter how lame a yellow finish is, 3 green white checkers and 2 red flags is way more anticlimactic.
Let’s be real here, the only time multiple OT is necessary is the drafting tracks, so let’s limit those to 1 or 3 at the most. Other tracks let’s do as many as necessary
