The Evolution of the Super Star Destroyer 

Bludvarg haha I see what you did there

Hahahahaha, nice one. I see what you did there.

My man @midgetydeath... you didn’t get the joke🤣🤣🤣

Big ship for a little bitch.

that was funny. because he had a little light sabre right?

Same

(42Y later) When I then saw The Supremacy in the theater in now in 2020, I fell in love. In my mind she is the perfect ship. By The Dark Lord of The Sith 2

@@dasmilyshelf6999 the last Jedi came out in 2017

I agreed till I saw the Andromeda Ascendant ... but the Lusankya is a close second

@@synapticdragon2157 for me my top 10 are 1. starhawk class 2. Xyston class 3. Eclipse class 4. Viscount class 5. executor class 6. venator class 7. malevolance class 8. resurgent class 9. providence class 10. mc 85

Yeah. Command bridges hanging way out on the surface of the ship is a vulnerability pretty much all Star Wars (and Star Trek, for that matter) ships have, and it is totally avoidable by the simple expedient of putting the bridge near the center of the ship. It's not like they don't have dozens of bridge crew whose only job is to monitor sensor feeds from all over the ship anyway. And it's not like this problem is unique to Imperial designs, either; Leia's "Mary Poppins" moment in TLJ was due to a single starfighter's strafing run on a Mon Cal ship's exposed bridge. I remember there being a passage in the novelization of the game Halo, where Captain Keyes is silently cursing art-department ship designers who put aesthetics above practicality: with ships that run to kilometers in length, it's not like windows would actually help navigate the ship, or provide targeting data, or do much of anything useful, really. Instead, they mostly just provide the enemy with a convenient (and often glowing) weak point to hit for massive damage.

Usually the shields would absorb all damage from a ram. The executor went down because the shields were down

@@tba113 In Halo, the Covenant keep their bridges in the heart of their ships. They are well protected, but a well placed MAC round will kill the ship and its bridge, shredding it to pieces. It also grants a large, center mass target. Without the MAC, the Covenant are near invulnerable thanks to their incredibly strong armor. The Bridge will be the last section alive in that case.

A-Wing proof bridges? What a foolish idea! You mean we would admit being afraid of such puny craft? Imperial officers lead from the front and are ready to risk their lives, not hiding inside a ship! If we would admit being afraid of the enemy tactics, we would look weak! Looking weak is of course much worse than being weak, we rule by making the enemy fear us, not fearing the enemy!

Put the bridge in the center of the hull

Ok Palpatine.

Same as Apple with their iPhones.

Lollllll

*snokes blunt

ragnar croughs duuuuuuude

Lord Frostwind just like unsc infinity

I blame Hux. Why? I blame Hux for every problem with the First Order. It just works.

Lord Frostwind It’s because of Snoke’s incompetence and over-arrogance in believing that the Resistance was doomed. Also because it’s a movie and it looks cooler to have a 60 kilometer-long ship looming over them.

Snoke and to an extent Hux underestimated the Resistance and just how desperate they would be to escape aka Holdos Jump.

I really like the concept of the Supremacy but it was just wasted like everything else in that "movie".

Absolute Unit

One of the best uses of that phrase.

How I would've intorduced the _Supremacy_ is as follows: We open on an ISD flying through space, casting its enormous shadow on a nearby planetary body. Then the ISD gets eclipsed by the larger Resurgent, and the two are shown in a wider shot of a large fleet to really contrast them and show how the FO evolved in those 30 years of hiding. Then, a Mandator IV eclipses multiple ships, and we see Canady on its bridge, ready to jump to hyperspace. Then, as they go to leave, the Madator IV gets eclipsed itself as Snoke rejects a strategy proposed by Hux and orders him to carry out the original plan. You can't even see the entire _Supremacy_ yet. You only see that it swallows up a massive swathe of fleet.

@@demi-femme4821 Kind of shit. Epic storytelling wise but lorewise it woulnt make any sense

StarSilverInfinity ‘All of them pointing to Disney’s need to make everything bigger than the original trilogy’

Liam whatever _comming soon to Episodes 10 - 12_

@@liamwhatever7146 No it was Empire politic, what also was one of the reason why they fall fighting with lesser forces, as they ships were build as showcase of power what lead to numerous flaws in design exploited by Rebellion. It you wouldn't be pretender you would know that 0_0

we need too have it too hide for a good reasonnn.

StarSilverInfinity episode 9 is the last

Nah, all the smart officers never got near the Executor and Vader's "promotion" policy

But an SSD are 13 times longer, and 6 times wider and at least 2 times higher than an ISD. So have 150 times the weight?(Even 100 timer are Canon i think) An ISD have 36000 crewmember. 156 ISD have 5.6 million crewmember, one Executor have only 279000...Thrawn himshelf are still correct! 100 ISD are a great defensive platform, and also could performs multiple attacks in multiple places in the same time. But SSD-s are great attack platforms-and sucks in defensive operations! If you attacks an Galaxy with an SSD, the enemy ISDs are in multiple systems, you only faced few in one time, easily kill them, and reatreats before the reinforcemens arrive. If the galaxy was attacked by 100 ISD, and the defensive forces are just one SSD, the SSD just trolled around...

James Burnett Thrawn is stupid then and doesn’t understand that larger ships pack more firepower and more power output into a more lightly crewed space. 1 Assertor is equal to about 400 ISDs in power output (thus shielding, firepower etc.) but probably only needs 300-500k crew... meanwhile 400 ISDs would require... 16,000,000 crew! And by the time 400 ISDs took down the shields of an Assertor you’d have already lost 133 ISDs, or 5,320,000 crew - which is an absolutely stupid waste of resources. Thrawn was a great tactician and had a very sharp mind, but he was absolutely awful at procurement and I think that his words are just Timothy Zahn’s ignorant bias; not what Thrawn would actually say.

@@imperialsecuritybureau6037 how many systems would subjugate one with SSD or 40 with the ISD

@@Jimmy1349 That guy called Thrown stupid.. no future comment needed. He also transparently ignore fact that new models of ISD also used less crew and large part of that were ground forces anyway.

Interesting

I went to school with you

Prove it....... What school?

Once the shields are down, of course.

What bothers me is that an x wing could destroy the shield generator sitting under a shield that's designed to withstand turbolaser fire!? How!?

@@FreakShootA Actually, it takes more than that. You have to have an entire fleet weaken the shields of an ISD before the X-Wings or any other fighters can have a shot. That, or the fighter has to use an Ion Cannon to weaken the shields.

aikadeLi dane

@@HolyknightVader999 yes i am well aware

Agreed. The Bellator was big enough and well-rounded enough to eat ISDs and Mon Cal Crusiers for breakfast. Anything beyond it was kind of silly.

@@MagicSpud It's the good old saying. "Good enough is good enough." Perhaps one of the most true concepts of war.

Maybe an Assertor or Nemesis-if you need a small scale mobile superlaser, and you dont like the First Order siege dreadnought idea.(Nobody likes that, even First Order itshelf...we have just two dozen useless anti starfighter guns but only in the upper surface...why???)Or, the Mandator IV was an anti SSD ship? Like IRL Stug III was an anti-tank vehicle...So a great defensive platform, but a very poor offensive one...

The thrawn doctrine over the tarkin one. Less focus on ISD II's, more balanced ship compositions, fewer dreadnoughts and no death stars, instead invest the money in more fleets of smaller ships and better fighter bombers, like missileboats and tie defenders. Keep a core fleet of the odd SSD and some ISD's as the big hammer.

@@hosmerhomeboy Thrawn described in the first Thrawn novel that he considered the Death Star a huge mistake and that he would rather have spent the money on Imperial Star Destroyers. Might just have meant "The Imperial Navy" but yeah I agree that he would have focused more on a balanced navy than capital ships.

P cj rewind a few seconds before it heheheh (look at Count Dooku)

Dooku knocks it out of the park, with a smashing palm force push!!!!

Yea. It took me a few rewatches to get that reference. That was a good one.

Bro it’s Bartolo

the flat earth's put it there to symbolize the earth is actually hollow IDK

Yes, although it may depend on types of guns.

indeed

Director Orson Krennic yes it doesn’t take much power draw to slap a point defence turret on to the hull... it’s a very cheap solution to a potentially very expensive problem. These turrets are hundreds, sometimes thousands of times weaker than the big turrets, so any ship could feasibly make space for at least a few of them. The ISD-II could afford to have hundreds.

Actually, a Alsakan vessel from around 12.000 BBY.

i wish

good eye!

Yes that's a total ripoff

@@apfelschorle1988 I think it's hard to find a ship design that hasn't been used yet. Wedge...check!,...triangle...check!, sphere...check!, cube...check!, cuboid...check! ;-)

Thank you.

All big gun main battery and use of the steam turbine for propulsion, which was an upgrade over the standard triple expansion steam engine.

DATMemeboi you mean a purple haired eco-feminist as allan once called her!

@@liamwhatever7146 Indeed

Exactly. Disney made a ship so big they couldn't figure out a way for the "good guys" to win, so bad writing, plot armor, and retcon saved the day.

It makes sense. Has happened on a larger scale. in TCW, the battlecruiser Quaestor, in hyperspace, collided with the Separatist planet Pammant, fracturing its core and killed millions. So a ship just entering or just about to enter hyperspace colliding with an object in realspace is possible and devastating. School time! Every object casts a 'shadow' in both realspace and hyperspace. This shadow can interact with another object no matter which dimension it is in. Also why hyperspace lanes are carefully plotted out to avoid Mass Shadows from stars and other celestial objects. In the new canon, activating a hyperdrive manipulates hypermatter particles which allows the ship to thrust into hyperspace. SO yes, a ship is still 'moving' through hyperspace, but it is perceived as traveling at extraordinary speeds in realspace. Hyperspace was a dimension of space-time alternative to that of realspace. It could only be accessed through molecular displacement, which was achieved by breaking the speed of light. It was coterminous with realspace, meaning that each point in realspace was associated with a unique point in hyperspace, and all adjacent points in realspace were adjacent in hyperspace as well.

Not entirely true. While hyperspace is acknowledged as being something of another dimension, Han does mention to Luke the dangers of inaccurate hyperspace jumps, like flying into stars or planets. If hyperspace and our dimension had no interaction, there'd be no worry of that.

@@ZZMonkeysUncleZZ Thousands of years of hyperspace travel, and nobody thought of it before. That kind of demands an explanation. My guess? Objects need to be pretty massive to interact with ships in hyperspace. Even an Executor Class or Eclipse Class isn't that big. The Supremacy was. That would reduce it from "how have you morons not figured out this tactic over the course of thousands of years of intermittent war since hyperspace became a thing," to "Man, we missed the boat on those two Death Stars, we could have dealt with them so easily if we'd though of hyper-ramming." Two missed opportunities stretches my disbelief much less than thousands of years of missed opportunities.

@That One RU-vidr Hyperspace is just that, a 'space'. it's a different "dimension" of normal space, one where lightspeed is effectively the /lower/ limit. it /is/ linked to normal space, but only via gravitation, and only very massive objects have enough mass to be dangerous (I'm talking stellar-scale masses here). Han's exact words were "fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that'd end your day real quick". That implies that only energy densities comparable to that of /stars/ were a large enough problem to need avoiding during a hyperspace jump. This probably explains why an Interdictor-class Star Destroyer could only keep the "yoink passing starships in hyperspace into realspace" thingies going for a short time (hours, I think? probably only minutes). My point is that jumping to hyperspace does /not/ result in any sort of a ram, unless you're pointed right at something with enough gravity to be considered at /least/ a planet, and more likely a /star/ (baring technological shenanigans like the Interdictors).

NO!!

General Kenobi

General Kenobi, you are a bold one

9-year-old soldier Did you fall into a vat of toxic waste Obi-wan?

@@liamwhatever7146 yeah. It was not another happy landing.

A dreadnought is a battleship with more than 2 main turrets on the centerline. Also a light cruiser can never be a dreadnought. Nor can an aircraft carrier.

All big guns rather than a mixture of calibers and all of them arranged in the centerline in a superfiring arrangement.

Not exactly.The battlecruiser idea was: "i can kill anything that catch me and i can outrun anything that kill me". The battlecruisers could outrun classic dreadnought battleships and could kill heavy and armoured cruisers...

@Nargrakhan As far as I know, battlecruisers were battleship sized ships, with light armor that was supposed to make them operate at speed and range of cruisers. But better engines, guns and armor made the concept obsolete nearly instantly.

How about Earth's Special Forces vs Star Wars Special Forces?

Would be cool to see either of these videos.

"star forge would be able to build in battle and can build newer ships" starforge wins 10/10. Seeing how fast it can churn out fleets it only needs to build droid fighters and bombers to swarm the enemy with. Also, just to speed things up, if it can build newer designs then clonewars era ships are droid controlled as well, just churn em out.

maybe thats where the trade federation got the battle droids from

It can just fart out Acclamators until the end of time.

Bruhhh, Project Blackwing during the Clone Wars

Stop dreaming dude. U.S. navy is known to wage war against small inadequate military forces. Most will be sunk if engaged to rebels like Russia, China. A single bomb (nuclear) from either country will take an entire fleet of carrirers, destroyers, fridgets, subs.

Most realistic starf.... Oh you are talking about Babylon 5, arent you. Starfury. Done. For a moment I though you wanted to find a realistic starfighter in Star Wars. Haha, silly me, you got me there for a moment, buddy!

Most realistic space fighter is the one that doesn't exist.

Most realistic: The fighters from nexus: the jupiter incident. Covered in manoeuvring thrusters (because space) and a beam laser weapon (again, space), pretty decent. The fighters in X3 have manoeuvring thrusters too, you can see them from the cockpit on some of them when you turn. Most powerful... avoiding shit like culture and xeelee (because that powerlevel is ridiculous) I'd suggest imperial Fury Interceptors from wh40k. Their tau and eldar and chaos equivalents may all be faster and more manoeuvrable or have better weapons tech but the Fury is the most durable fighter with the most guns... Inb4: the suncrusher isn't a fighter, it's an antisolar torpedo carrier. Different role.

I'd rather have a fleet of Bellators with supporting anti-starfighters cruisers to support them.

Tell that to the Navy. They wanted the Executor so that they can play catch-up with the Death Star. If the Death Star works as planned, the Executor was a sign that the Imperial Navy can keep up. If the Death Star blows up in the Emperor's face (which it did) the navy then offered the Executor as an alternative.

Until they run into an opposing fleet backed by a Mandator III, and get their asses kicked.

Travis King Are you kidding ?! Should I remind you of the friggin Death Stars ? The true embodiment of the Tarkin doctrine is more massive than thousands of dreadnoughts combined...

Just remember the super Star destroyers used by the empire were mobile Naval bases.

I'm curious 🤔, what chances would Thanos ship Sanctuary 2 have against a Star Destroyer?

Russell Warren The word dreadnought in star wars means a very large star ship

@@Doctor.Trolling It was originally a battleship called HMS Dreadnaught that was designed first one to employ modern design. Its name meant "Fear Nothing".

@@ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681 Then in Star Wars it meant a very large star ship

Yes please!

That's a good point tho ships did exist to block hyper space travel. I haven't seen the latest SW movies tho so dunno if they used them there

Although the Mandator is thought to have evolved out of the Mandator III, made even bigger...

The next video will be about the White Castle class ship. :)

Agreed, the BC-304's were pretty awesome. Their point defenses - the high-ROF railguns - were accurate and powerful enough that they could, in the right circumstances, cripple the five-kilometer-long Wraith hive ships. The Asgard beam cannons could one-shot hive ships with no trouble, and make even Ori warships think twice. Mk. IX naquadria-enhanced warheads, commonly mounted on guided missiles in the 304s' VLS tubes, apparently come in at the ten-gigaton yield, making them _vastly_ more powerful than the heavy weapons in almost any non-40K setting; by comparison, based on the 3kg warhead used in Starfleet photon torpedoes, they have a yield of about 65 megatons. Not bad at all - the biggest nuclear weapon of the 20th century, the Czar Bomba, had a test yield of "only" about fifty MT - but the Mk. IX's blast is about 154 times as powerful as a photon torpedo. The only drawback is how slow the conventional missile technology is when delivering a warhead over long distances. The Daedalus-class's typical complement of F-302 fighters, already formidable in their own right with just cannons and guided missiles, can apparently also mount one of those death-bombs - though they have to sacrifice most of the rest of their ordnance to do it. So far as I know, the only strike craft in Star Wars that had any external hardpoints was the K-Wing, and as awesome as it was, it only showed up in Legends. Good luck hanging any specialist equipment on an X-Wing without rebuilding half the fighter! The 304's shields could scale with however much energy was routed to them; one ship tanked a solar flare for several minutes, something that vaporized a Borg cube more or less instantly. The 304's transporter technology is better than that used in Star Trek, too, since it can achieve a lock on a moving target with only a radio beacon to work with - though it's not perfect, and can be jammed by active countermeasures. That's another thing I miss in a lot of sci fi, actually: electronic warfare to screw with sensors and communications gets almost no play outside of the occasional cloaking device, and as cool as they are, those are really just stealth suites. They do nothing to help the rest of a ship's task force.

@@tba113 hell one Daedalus class cruiser put in star wars could have been used to cripple the Empire if used correctly. A hole fleet of Daedalus class cruisers with a steady supply would wipe the empire out.

@@armycowboy4313 With their advantages in mobility and firepower, yeah, pretty much. And since the Asgard- and Goa'uld-based hyperdrives don't worry about mass shadows like Star Wars hyperdrives do - they've jumped directly through planets, a flat impossibility in Star Wars - it's not like the Empire could ambush a fleet of 304's with Interdictors. Every engagement would be on the Tau'ri's terms, which makes for a lot of easy fights. And I'd take SG teams over Stormtroopers any day.

@@tba113 well the thing is stormtroopers armor is more designed for plasma based weapons not kinetic energy. That is fire 900 to 1000 rounds per second. So stormtroopers would be in trouble. And the Death stars well easy targets for one 304. It jumps in to close for the super laser beam a nuke in side jump out bye bye death stars

​@@armycowboy4313 Um no that's not happening lol. The imperial Navy at least in the EU had a navy of millions of warships and trillions of personal, not to mention that the weapons had ridiculous range and power. A clone wars era Acclamator is a more fair fight to be honest since it was equiped with the following. 12 quad turbolasers rated at 200 gigatons of energy per shot. 24 light point-defense laser cannons rated at 6 gigatons of energy per shot 4 heavy torpedo tubes 100 high-yield proton torpedos On top of that the hull armor of Acclamator-class vessels was impregnated with ultra-dispersive neutronium that withstood and spread massive energy blasts. So that would severely weaken both the nukes and the beam cannons. And then it also had deflector shields which protect against both energy and kinetic weapons thus nullifying the railguns. Also those Asgard Beam Cannons aren't that special in the Star Wars Universe regular turbolasers and lasers fire compressed bolts of superheated plasma, same for the beam cannons in star wars, same as the ones in stargate, even the railguns and nukes aren't special because star wars has nukes as well, and railguns also coil and gauss guns and slugthrowers(guns) and eletrothermal cannons(plasma driven projectile weapons)