The exploited rugby rule that led to a doctor purposely hurting a player

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Here's a moral quandary for you: Doctors are supposed to do no harm, but if quickly cutting up a rugby player will save the team from getting caught in an elaborate cheating scheme that involved fake blood capsules... is that harm or help?
In the 2009 Rugby Union Bloodgate scandal during the Harlequins vs. Leinster Heineken Cup quarter final it was ...(drumroll)... harm, definitely harm. But when a team is determined to exploit the rulebook, I guess somebody's gonna get harmed sooner or later.
Enjoy this bloody tale of attempted cheating on the rugby pitch .
Trigger warning: blood
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@RileyJane7 2 года назад

We need a Weird Rules on the stupid former AFL rule where a playoff game could end in a tie and then they have to replay the game a week later and the whole playoffs would get pushed back a week and this would even go for Grand Finals too

@analcommando1124 2 года назад

they already did an AFL video on having 19 players on a the field at once and having your score wiped

@RileyJane7 2 года назад

@Crunch Bar No, they should go to Overtime like in any other sport

@RileyJane7 2 года назад

@Crunch Bar With Aussie Rules scoring, if it's still tied after 2 overtimes, something wild has happened

@CTback 2 года назад

He saw St. Kilda blow it against Collingwood.

@hardcoreharro 2 года назад

That happened for Rugby League I think until 1990. The 1977 NSWRL Grand Final ended with St. George vs Parramatta 9-9, then they played again a week later and St. George blew out Parramatta 22-0. Edit: It was in the 80's when it changed.

@CYMotorsport 2 года назад

Making matters even sweeter, I want to say Nick Evans still pushed his drop goal wide lol

@MrAzijn 2 года назад

Hey cranky! Love your channel man

@aok2075 2 года назад

I'm guessing a drop goal is a drop kick field goal. Basically a punt and a field goal combined. Moral of the story: they ruined their careers for no reason

@euanrobinson 2 года назад

@@aok2075 yeah that's about right

@kgowins97 2 года назад

@CYMotorsport Omg Nick!! Are you a harlequins supporter?

@messaoudanekamel7277 2 года назад

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-AKfmbO4foIQ.html

@Snookbone 2 года назад

Dean Richards, the Director of Rugby who was suspended for this incident, is now the Director of Rugby at Newcastle Falcons, where he basically just defends his players taking filthy cheapshots and eye gouging every week. He never showed any remorse for his cheating in this incident either.

@TheJudoJoker 2 года назад

Legend

@DanCap123 2 года назад

And then calls out Saracens for being dirty cheats (technically true, but hypocritical)

@jonmel 2 года назад

Dean Richard when a player was also dirty

@nielsrisolo7548 2 года назад

Fun fact because there are no helmets in rugby the players instictively protect their head and avoid head to head collision. In american football the percieved protection of the helmet lets athletes lead with their head. And thats why you have more head trauma in football than in rugby

@weirdofromhalo 2 года назад

The helmets also make head-to-head collisions and trauma worse.

@beastlydookie81 2 года назад

@@weirdofromhalo thats not true 😂. I can imagine the comment above being true but wearing a helmet wont cause more damage than not wearing on

@weirdofromhalo 2 года назад

@@beastlydookie81 There's research on how helmets actually make head trauma worse.

@SoftBank47 2 года назад

You gotta tackle right in rugby. Otherwise, your head turns into putty. Also, there's the high tackle rules.

@Thor-Orion 2 года назад

@@davidmichaelhurley4507 and the opposing player wearing a helmet essentially turns them into a battering ram.

@hitchikerspie 2 года назад

OMG you did a rugby video!!! I think another interesting case would be the 2011 french rugby world cup team who rebelled against their head coach, ran their own training sessions, and only just lost in the final!

@id-mic 2 года назад

Honestly you could make a series about French rugby

@sachinbangaru737 2 года назад

That famous french mutiny cause they could only have 1 cup of pudding for desert 😂😂

@messaoudanekamel7277 2 года назад

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-AKfmbO4foIQ.html

@kstxevolution9642 2 года назад

I love secret base to death but Americans have no clue about rugby

@RugbyRyan 2 года назад

Note: Leinster ended up winning the Heineken cup that year

@LemurJackson 2 года назад

Wow all dozen fans must have been really excited

@malachymccabe3772 2 года назад

@@LemurJackson 66,500 people went to watch the final that year alone

@malachymccabe3772 2 года назад

@@LemurJackson thousands of people showed up to the parade after they had won it

@jayrodr897 2 года назад

The moral of the story is never underestimate the Irish when there's something alcohol-related on the line

@PaddyQuiggin 2 года назад

When Will talked about the "prop department" I was thinking "surely this guy is a fullback" before realising it was nearly the best joke ever but just wasn't meant to be.

@chadowen4766 2 года назад

ALMOST, dangit. 🤣🤣

@charleslathrop8309 2 года назад

I just want to say that Clara is really great at this stuff, even improved a lot on rewinders from one or two early ones hinting too early how it turns out, you guys are great.

@tyes77 2 года назад

Only downside I would say and just stick with the story and cut out the segment you try to play it off as a conversation. Really draws you out of the story and too distracting. Its really annoying

@tyes77 2 года назад

@Crunch Bar Yup. I enjoy the other videos and this kind of conversation like storytelling made me skip ahead in the video due to how cringe the guy is.

@tyes77 2 года назад

@Crunch Bar Doesn't change it feels too cringey with the fake conversation. This video was worse than usual so thats why I hope they can stick to the topic instead of the cringey false conversation and awkward laughing

@benjaminrei1319 2 года назад

@@tyes77 i think people are really not on your side here

@jknintendo 2 года назад

@@tyes77 the conversation is literally half of the appeal of weird rules as a series. The series has always been "heres a story about a weird rule and our subsequent reactions to said weird incident"

@harvey5721 2 года назад

Rugby’s less dangerous than nfl even without helmets and stuff lol

@grempal 2 года назад

Yep, because rugby players learn to not tackle with their faces.

@CDCrest 2 года назад

Rugby is pretty tame

@michaelodonnell824 2 года назад

Possibly, though, Tom Brady is still playing at the highest level well into his 40s, while in Ireland, there's currently serious concern that our best out half is 36!!!

@grempal 2 года назад

@@michaelodonnell824 The difference is that Tom Brady has 5 guys whose sole job is to make sure he doesn't get tackled where as a 9 or 10 has 3 or 4 guys trying to tackle him at any given time and no one to block them. Its frankly amazing that that difference only knocks like 5 or 6 years off a career.

@nickschuman4652 2 года назад

So actually, “not wearing a helmet throwing their head into each other” there is no head throwing in rugby it’s safer than American football

@carp3649 2 года назад

There kinda is though. You're putting your head down, trying to smash through with your shoulder but inevitably you'll hit your head. The big difference is usually, only one player in rugby is moving fast and the contact on range of angles hits come in on is much narrower. There's still a CTE problem in rugby. It's nowhere near the same as american football, you're not diving to make a catch and getting blown up mid air.

@wadedevinney9681 2 года назад

From what I gather, rugby tackling is more of a dragging down than a big hit, which is actually probably harder but safer.

@carp3649 2 года назад

@@wadedevinney9681 There are still big hits, but they're much rarer. The three most common tackles are: fast moving carrier runs into stationary defender, who falls backwards to make tackle; fast moving carrier grabbed and pulled down by fast moving defender; slow carrier tackled by fast moving defender. The last set is the one you might call a 'hit', usually when a player has just caught the ball and a defender has charged forward to make the hit. The 'grabbed and pulled down' on the second set is the difference with american football. A wide receiver at full speed isn't going to be pulled down because every yard matters, the defender wants to hit him to stop him. In rugby, you'd rather secure the tackle and give up the yards.

@CapnWatson 2 года назад

To be fair, "safer than American football" is a pretty low bar. There are war zones safer than American football

@OliverStabile 2 месяца назад

@@carp3649 my doctor from when my brother played sailed CTE isn’t as big of a problem as it’s portrayed to be.

@johnmcmorris4035 2 года назад

I recommend listening to the Sky Sports' commentary at the time who were also sceptical of the convenience of the injury. Stuart Barnes: "Who punched Tom Williams? Tom Williams?"

@eliastritter6497 2 года назад

Love some rugby content on Secret Base! The 'Scrumgate' controversy of Wales vs France 2017 with supposed fake injuries and almost 20 mins of overtime would be cool for you guys to dissect.

@id-mic 2 года назад

Yes please watching this live was hilarious

@davidheard3964 2 года назад

This was the match you remembered that Wayne Barnes is a lawyer and some of the discussions between him and the French medical staff felt more like courtroom proceedings.

@allyboorman612 2 года назад

Why did you remind me of that it was so dull and so interesting at the same time, players had yellow cards and came back on it was mad

@Mikegaryhouse 2 года назад

That was an insane end to a game.

@ShaunshankRedemption 2 года назад

I'm pretty sure they stopped the clock more than they should have too purely not to reach the 100 minute mark. Fiasco.

@vichano2783 2 года назад

Videos with Clara are a joy to watch. Such a great storyteller and clearly passionate about the subject matters she covers.

@vichano2783 2 года назад

@@SimuLord found the simp

@alfitesciuba4464 2 года назад

From their name Harlequins you can expect such a Carnivalesque joke like this

@wowdogememe1541 2 года назад

They actually won the premiership this year with a very Carnivalesque style

@gavincairns3542 2 года назад

so i was at this game when the bloodgate happened and looking back on it, Tom Williams was no where near play when he reached to get the capsule out of his sock which was silly and then winking back at Nick Evans as he came off the field was also very silly thing to do

@staidenofanarchy 2 года назад

When my friends ask me what it's like to play rugby, I tell them you used to have to tape your ears over to avoid them getting ripped off.

@danieldennes4425 2 года назад

Really? I only ever used it to prevent cauliflower ears

@kstxevolution9642 2 года назад

I'm a prop myself, and I wince when I see any ruck or scrum from before the 90s

@theshevanel 2 года назад

I, too, remember that Rocket Power episode. Lol.

@staidenofanarchy 2 года назад

@@theshevanel ayyyyy

@Jimbo-wx9pu 2 года назад

The putting things in your sock is a common practice. I play rugby and it’s the most common place amongst the teams I’ve played for to store you’re gum shield.

@spideyrox8520 2 года назад

I don't think you've covered this one before but a good one of these would be the never-ending second from women's fencing (epee) in the semi-finals of the 2012 olympics.

@codfishbricker 2 года назад

I'm kinda jealous of who Will is as a person. It took me a long time to understand there's a lot of important things inside of my head. To be fair rugby is VERY EDUCATIONAL. Years of hockey never taught me the importance of what's in my noggin', but receiving a career-ending concussion during an inner-squad scrimmage 3 weeks into my rugby "career" did. It also taught me: 1. losing the ability to read for any period of time sucks 2. There's this important thing in your head called the vestibular system which is at least partially composed of fluid in your ear canals...and its possible for it to be displaced if you get whalloped hard enough. 3. Post Concussion Syndrome machine go brrrrrrrrt 4. I forget

@Eurynomos326 2 года назад

He said that the wink was because some of his team mates didn't know the plan, and were telling him he should keep playing.

@RugbyRyan 2 года назад

Finally a rugby video!!!!!!!!! I’ve been waiting years

@EmmaBonn96 2 года назад

Coming from this from a pro wrestling perspective is certainly interesting

@proffesionalidiot5994 2 года назад

Blading?

@EmmaBonn96 2 года назад

@@proffesionalidiot5994 yes

@stoozdee 2 года назад

We need you to get color tonight, brother.

@charlestoncooper5265 2 года назад

fr he could have bladed at least it’s believable

@frozenlotus3563 2 года назад

Weird rules is my favorite. I love the convoluted plans that come out of people who know the rule books this well.

@nonamelegend_vapor 2 года назад

5:43 “Are we not doing phrasing anymore?”

@atomic_bear 2 года назад

Please please please make a rewinder about Japan VS South Africa from 2015

@RugbyRyan 2 года назад

I constantly ask for this and never get it

@atomic_bear 2 года назад

@@RugbyRyan At least we have the first rugby video

@michaelhall5429 2 года назад

@@RugbyRyan hard agree.

@michaelhall5429 2 года назад

@@RugbyRyan been asking for Don Bradman for five years straight. Stick with it, who knows.

@charlcoetzee3358 2 года назад

Please no. It still hurts.

@thetroyzernator 2 года назад

Leinster went on to win their first Heineken Cup that year en route to winning three out of four and becoming arguably the greatest club rugby team in the world. Nearly didn't happen because of Bloodgate.

@analcommando1124 2 года назад

pretty sure the Crusaders were a better team.

@Bryan-qd4fk 2 года назад

Rugby is less dangerous than football in terms of concussions. In rugby, you aren't trying to stop someone from gaining one extra yard. You're trying to get them down as quickly as possible to steal the ball. The best way to do it doesn't involve bringing your head into the tackle.

@roadhouse1697 2 года назад

You’ve done one on Rugby!! Life is complete!! Such a great topic too!

@jimmythebusdriver 2 года назад

I was in London when this happened! I knew absolutely nothing about Rugby, but it was on the news everywhere.

@MiniSkirtMusic 2 года назад

“Prop department” made me lose it

@CH-kl9qd 2 года назад

Not wearing a helmet is much better for the players, they tackle with proper form rather then using a helmet as a weapon

@titmanmd 2 года назад

bad news buddy, rugby still has a huge concussion issue

@mnm1273 2 года назад

He said better Matt. Rugby having a high concussions rate doesn't mean it wouldn't be worse with helmets.

@CH-kl9qd 2 года назад

@@titmanmd never said it was an end all be all solution Matthew, solid reading comprehension you’ve got.

@pretzelhunt 2 года назад

@Crunch Bar They shouldnt but they do, and it's increased helmet to helmet, even if unintentionally. theres 4 of those calls per game now.

@CH-kl9qd 2 года назад

@Crunch Bar that’s a pretty naive comment dude, there’s helmet to helmet contact on virtually every play and it’s human nature to lower the head. Not to mention the targeting calls haven’t gone done at all. Trying to justify one sport or the other being better for concussions is a never ending convo. All I said was you’ll be far less likely to lead with your head and dive head on without a helmet on. Every contact sport has concussions so that isn’t really an argument either.

@SomeOfTheJuice 2 года назад

I was gonna say "who carries a blood capsule with them to a rugby game??" Then Clara dropped the bomb that they had done this FOUR TIMES BEFORE and I was like "damn, they must have a stockpile of them in someone's bag in case of emergency after the first time!"

@endraw_ 2 года назад

Good to see rugby getting the recognition it deserves

@Butterratbee 8 месяцев назад

I remember this being a huge story in England at the time

@route2070 2 года назад

Tom Williams, "Ooh a YT video from the US about Rugby........ No note this again!"

@TylerGutwein 2 года назад

I see rugby and I click

@auspistic 2 года назад

I think Tom Williams just snapped. He made it very clear that he couldn't possibly have been the mastermind and forced an investigation, leaving a ton of evidence that it was a team issue.

@chamelius 2 года назад

Ahh, yes... The good ol' Knife-Ball... an Oft Overlooked ball design....

@WannaBuyAGate 10 месяцев назад

Fun fact instead of runnning far away from the team after this Tom Williams ended up playing with Quinns until 2015 and winning a championship title in 2012

@WYKlaure 2 года назад

Did they win?

@hitchikerspie 2 года назад

Leinster won the quarter final (and the Heineken Cup that year)

@msdsez 2 года назад

Tom probably got hit on the head too many times to remember why he was even playing the game in the first place.

@albertmotbey1128 2 года назад

I remember there was a rugby league coach who did this during a grand final and won because he found a way to infinitely substitute players

@catherinegalanti3219 2 года назад

RUGBY FINALLY ON SECRET BASE!!

@Mikegaryhouse 2 года назад

Great to see a rugby video from you guys!

@TheArtist_promoter 2 года назад

These two should just go on a date

@gabewillis4743 6 месяцев назад

American Football is more dangerous that Rugby

@theemperorhoodie1845 Год назад

As a referee I'd say the Florida one could be ruled as taunting. Where the BYU could be a delay of game penalty. I'm going to have to bring this up with my crew now and see what they would call

@iangalt6899 2 года назад

Oh yay, Bloodgate. One of my favorite cheating scandals. Unimportant. I have never been able to get out of my head since the Max McGee video that Clara Morris and I went to the same shitty high school

@MatthewCampbell765 2 года назад

Clearly, the Harlequins are the valedictorians of clown school.

@ianw1976 2 года назад

Can you make a video about how in the CFL you can win by missing a field goal? See BC 18, TOR 17, 2019.

@johnjesberger5676 2 года назад

This was hilarious. Secret Base is such a great channel.

@clindberg1 2 года назад

can a pitcher use this to circumvent the 3 batter rule?

@JackMcSomeone 2 года назад

I don't know what's more violent. Rugby or Aussie Rules football

@ElloLoJo 2 года назад

Was it a coincidence he called it a Joker style look” when it was a Harlequins player with a jester on his chest

@AxeMan808 2 года назад

You should make "Original Rugby Ball Designs" a T-shirt. Or an NFT. WTF?! Why would I say some evil bullshit like that?!!? Just a T-shirt.

@sashimiroll5055 2 года назад

Take a shot every time someone says “blood injury”

@aloe-aurora 2 года назад

3:21 Fair point. But one could argue this is true of every substitution, blood or none 😂

@msolec2000 2 года назад

OK, but what made Donovan McNabb finish his career Untitled?

@schrodingershat409 2 года назад

that wink was dope

@chasebecker1700 2 года назад

if you could do a rewinder on the Iowa State upset on #2 Oklahoma State i will be happy

@tedwards4150 2 года назад

Blood Time can be for anything, depends on the ref, sometimes a minor bloody nose will get called and sometimes a gash on the head won’t it’s weird

@lucasferreira7829 2 года назад

Day 1 of asking for a Micheal Jordan and Scottie Pippen beef episode. There’s a lot to talk about when it comes to these two

@Mulletman4 Год назад

Can’t really come of for blood in a foot or leg injury unless it is ultra bad

@MrDast140 2 года назад

Just a point, tackling in rugby does not lead with the head. It's a foul to lead with anything other than the arm or hand into a tackle. Strikes to head are a serious issue in the sport so much so that there are reds handed out comehwat controversially for relatively minor head contact. Contrast that to the NFL where linemen still regularly lead with the head.

@DrZaius3141 2 года назад

It's the same reason why boxing got less safe due to boxing gloves - protected gloves means your hands don't hurt as much, so you just punch even harder. Protected head means you can use it as a weapon and ram it into people harder.

@RatzaChewy 2 года назад

Fun fact: Dean Richards, the Harlequins Director of Rugby in question, was also a policeman back in his days as an amateur player. Make of that what you will.

@zubizuva 2 года назад

Blood Injury is the name of my new death metal band.

@VincentDJohnson 2 года назад

YES! A rugby video!

@Virru112 2 года назад

Rugby is safer that NFL.. the NFL has an issue whereby they wear helmets, so they hit harder and then feel the issue with it later. Rugby players in retirement are healthy and well educated and carry on. NFL players however have alot more issues relating to concussions. Hence why Will Smith's move had to be edited due the amount of facts they revealed. To say Rugby is violent is to not know that the NFL is so much so....

@hackhenk 2 года назад

Just because NFL is more violent, doesn't mean that rugby *isn't* a violent sport.

@jamesf3148 2 года назад

humans: "yeah this guy is stupid he also put the thing that was going into his mouth what an idiot" me a rugby player who puts my mouthguard in my sock: "wait what?"

@BoganFromBama 2 года назад

Could a rewinder be done on the 1995 RWC between the post-apartheid South Africa Springboks and the New Zealand All-Blacks?

@Dirkus17 2 года назад

To be fair, there is a Hollywood movie.

@BoganFromBama 2 года назад

@@Dirkus17 i know, but something that provides better context for the players, and more emphasis on the opponent, especially since NZ had a young Jonah Lomu.

@fluffskunk 2 года назад

One thousand years dungeon for all involved! If nicking your lip is enough for this, uh, just bite a fingernail until it bleeds, and keep gnawing on it until the substitution is permanent?

@amyshuman910 2 года назад

I think the first times they did it it must've gone more smoothly, and then they just got lazy with it. Like, how convenient you just HAPPEN to bring in your best kicker RIGHT WHEN YOU NEED HIM to score this game-winning kick, he's probably already warming up on the sidelines, I mean even the announcers called them on it right away.

@jonathanzuckerberg8850 2 года назад

The next step of this is for a team to get "blood" on the opponent's best player to get him removed from the game

@InDaWilderness 2 года назад

I played Rugby in college and ended up having to get 5 knee surgeries within a couple years.

@robertwilloughby8050 2 года назад

Oh an excellent rugby story is when a player (Clive Rowlands?) bore kicked Wales to victory against Scotland in 1964, which led to a change in the kicking rules. A boring game, but a very interesting story.

@Rayzajw 2 года назад

Love Nick Evans. I love how you did Rugby 🏉

@completeepicness5070 2 года назад

Tom Williams is the Valtteri Bottas of rugby

@dantecadiz5353 2 года назад

I watched this game live at the stadium, everyone knew something was up

@LJW1912 2 года назад

Soooo cool to see Secret Base talking about an English sport

@nacoran 2 года назад

How did the doctor not lose their license?

@iandonnelly6684 2 года назад

I mean if ur gonna cheat that blatant about cheating. You might as well be called the Harliquins

@Verlisify 2 года назад

This should have been uploaded on Halloween

@titmanmd 2 года назад

hell yes, i remember watching bloodgate live. awful game, but still important.

@matthewsawczyn6592 2 года назад

0:30 The irony is that not wearing a helmet outwardly looks worse, but is far safer in the long run; versus the constant trauma that American football player receive with their helmets. Very similar to bareknuckle boxing vs. gloved boxing.

@grimtea1715 2 года назад

Collapse: Detroit Tigers 2010s Collapse: Eagles Post Super Bowl 52 Collapse: OJ Simpsom Collapse:Conor McGregor (soon) Collapse: Chicago white Sox Post World Series

@ciaranmccormack704 2 года назад

Great to see the ster in this.

@crikohler6 2 года назад

need MOAR of this xD

@Bubs-_- 2 года назад

Rugby is amazing, but it's extremely violent. My kneecap popped out whilst trying to tackle someone

@georgedalepayne 2 года назад

Genuinely a pretty normal occurrence in rugby, once saw a guy playing rugby league who's kneecap popped out and he literally slapped it back in and kept playing

@analcommando1124 2 года назад

thats not violent. Thats an injury

@Bubs-_- 2 года назад

@@georgedalepayne That's what I did

@georgedalepayne 2 года назад

@@Bubs-_- you're a braver man than I, nice one 😂

@Bubs-_- 2 года назад

@@georgedalepayne thanks my friend. I ended up crying in the locker room though since it had happened to me about 4 times and this is my first year playing rugby.