The FAA Made A Decision On My Case 

Excellent advice, have a “plan B” in case you do not receive a Class B clearance!

Here would be my advice: If your flight plan absolutely must take you through a class bravo, just file IFR. Otherwise, just plan to go around (or over or under) it if you're VFR. In mojo's case if you look at his flight path he could have easily gone around the bravo to the east. You can still try to get cleared through if you want to, but don't plan on it. Looks like the common route around the bravo is 247 nm (via chesterfield VOR) instead of 245 nm for direct. No excuse to bust a bravo IMO in this case. edit: its not worth the trouble he went through to potentially save 2 nm

He didnt hear those words and pulled up in consequence, the plan B was executed, which is what is being discussed.

Ok....sure.

Of course, another option is to be on an IFR flight plan. In that case, you don't need to hear the magic words as you're always flying a route cleared by ATC.

The FAA is most certainly not human. Lol

The FAA is staffed with lizard people, nobody else could've come up with the current process for medical evaluations, especially pertaining to mental health and medications.

@@acewings221 FAA oficials are

@@rubenjanssen1672 keep telling yourself that lmao

​@@acewings221 I sure hope you don't work for any airline I work for

Thank you for sharing. Gives some comfort for those of us starting out. We're a bit terrified to make mistakes.

With anything in life, if you mess up, it's better to tell whomever is in charge before they find out on their own or are told a version of the story by someone else. Any time I screw up, I immediately go to my boss and lay out what I did, how I fixed/am going to fix it, and what I'm going to do in the future to avoid the same mistake.

More importantly, this would have been a terrible situation to try to lie or hide in. He had flight following, and he was flying through a Bravo. Absolutely everything they needed was on record, so he couldn't hide anything from them. Alternatively, he could have lied and tried to pass the blame onto equipment, but since he was flying VFR, he would have been responsible anyway. Even if he could manage to convince them that his equipment malfunctioned and showed him outside the Bravo, the books say that you should not be flying close enough to controlled airspace that inaccuracies in your equipment or theirs may call into question whether you were in our out of the airspace. If their equipment says you are in the airspace, it doesn't matter what your equipment says. Given that there was no way out of this by keeping quiet or by lying, the best outcome comes from telling the truth.

@@PinkFloyd102489 If you mess up, 'fess up! Especially in the aviation industry.

Absolutely not. This is why you talk to aopa and an attorney before anything.

The FAA breaks their own rules but will enforce on you with no mercy. The FAA is not anyone’s friend.

@@michaeldautry So, then lying is the answer. Got it. I hope you don't mind when people lie to you.

@@nicholassinanan7374 Fine get an attorney. I never said not to be smart with your interactions with the FAA - but, denying you did anything and lying about it isn't the answer.

@@buckhorncortez you are correct, I hate when the Faa lies to me.

That's quite confusing. Re "On approach": On approach to what? (A local airport?) Re "Pilot": Pilot of what? (Car? Truck? Boat? GA aircraft? Fire Dept aircraft? Police aircraft? Airliner?) Re "State Highway [Patrol?]": What does State Highway Patrol have to do with aviation? Unless you're saying the "Pilot" was flying a Highway Patrol helicopter? Re "He was stationary": I thought you said he was "on approach"? Unless you mean he was flying a State Highway Patrol helicopter and was hovering? Re "full gas": On approach? Most aircraft, "on approach", are "half out of gas" rather than "full gas". And besides, most aircraft burn kerosene, not "gas[oline?]". Re "had no com[m]", I imagine so, if he scraped the belly of his [helicopter|airplane] against tree tops. Re "wingtips draggin'": Wait, I thought you said he'd been "stationary"? In a fixed-wing plane, that's usually not possible, unless one is flying a Piper Cub into a gale. (I saw a Piper Cub land _backwards_ once at SNA here in OC, CA, USA; 65kt airspeed into a 70kt gale, groundspeed = -5kt.) Re "saved 156 soles": How did he save the feet of 78 people? Or do you mean the fish? But what does fillet of sole have to do with aviation incidents? Or did you mean "souls"? He had 156 [soles (feet) | soles (fish) | souls (people)] on board a Highway Patrol helicopter? _How??_ I'm so confused. 😕

@@RobbieHatley - Oh, it's much worse than that. Capt was watching State Highway Pickup with all lights on going 80MPH just emerging from downdraft w/driver swerving 40' edge to edge standing up thru side-window pointing finger at him in NWA plane for notice they was all gonna die. Capt, the kind they hire to fly airliners, understanding pickup lingo gave full throttles, full flaps, and gear pulled up was landing type. Don't know what State Highway Patrol has to do with anything, but in Mich we had State Police if ya have a murder or something serious, but I doubt they'd bring their helicopter. Liner was the thing that was hovering even though ILS approach with needles in middles due to vicious headwind from approaching storm. When turned into tailwind was just after Capt made his adjustments giving flat plummet at about 400MPH gravity + downdraft. NTSB investigated but determined old Capt liar, with explanation impossible, got statement from NWS windshear impossible at time of incident, & MDOT added no Dept Equipment near airport at that time. Royally screwed (the kind that's raw & cold w/o lube), NW made it permanent suspension with reinstatement if training w/new Certs for every type NW Orient flew, which really would have been impossible. NOV '96 "SURPRISE", same Capt just reinstated & do dropped in to TPA's Pilots Lounge. With same Capt were his FO & SW Pilots as well, for direct knowledge of windshear to be relayed. They got table opposite bum with tattered old brown jacket, Capt smiled at 'em but other three intentionally ignored. Capt began his tail of woe with approach to Grand Rapids samo, samo....but all of sudden all turned to sht. He said to FO, "Ya should see how this crazy ahole is drivin' a State Highway...truck, HOLY SHT!" That was his moment of awakening. Capt wanted to give emergency actions, but couldn't recall order or what they were. Old bum sitting across from them added, "Capt, you went full gas, flaps, picked up gear, fell straight down in flat plummet into woods, but pulled liner carefully up out of woods heading North." Bad Ju-Ju to say that as Capt 2X size of bum, so leapt from table glowering over him sayin', "And just exactly how in the hell would you know that?" Bum said, "I'm the ahole you mentioned in your story, you can check my MDOT ID here", handing it to Capt. Capt invited bum/pickup driver to join them, but he refused as had already ordered burger. 2nd Dumb thing he did as Capt grabbed him setting him at his own table sayin, "You look like a T-Bone man to me...I've been looking for you for years!" They discussed entire G.R. windshear incident w/bum/PU driver writing all details on hard stock dinner napkin. He signed it, the four Pilots witnessed signature, and Capt took it to NTSB. APR '97 bum/MDOT/PU driver called back to work, was only one in office after rain-day lunch, so answered phone call from MDOT Deputy Director. He asked to speak with bum/PU Driver sayin' had NTSB Investigator that needed word with him. He replied, "Speaking". Investigator said NTSB had re-opened G.R. Windshear Investigation...and he was head of it. He said had just checked his travel logs and workday sheets confirming was at scene of windshear at perfect time, but needed personal conformation from employee everything recorded on dinner napkin at TPA in NOV '96 was absolute fact. Once he had his confirmation, Investigator most friendly with employee. He said NTSB Director had told him everything on napkin was so, as it crossed all the "T"s and dotted all the "I"s regarding incident, while their own investigation had shut down at, "physically impossible". Director specified Capt to be made whole, NWS at airport to get 1st available Doppler Weather Radar, and "procedure" of writing statements out telling witnesses to sign is prohibited immediately. Bum/PU Driver had Project Engineer for Boss that believed MDOT trucks were his own trucks as singed them out himself each year. If he found how bum/pickup driver had been driving "HIS" truck, being retired USAF, he would kill 'em, so original and re-opened Investigations Classified and unavailable to Public. Director's contribution to next complete Training for Investigators was between morning & afternoon sessions, he had "The Napkin" mounted in 1st display case at D.C. Headquarters. For afternoon session, Trainers couldn't pry Investigators from napkin, and if got one away, it ran right back! Auditorium empty and Director all smiles. When finally assembled, he gave group his thoughts on "Physically Imposible", and procedure of writing out statements for Witnesses to sign! Oh yeah, you were right I misspelled soul brother!! I'm just learnin', thanks for the help.

I personally think IFR is easier than even dealing with flight following. You’re making a call to either request flight following and hope you get it or you file IFR and know you’re at least getting cleared 90% chance direct these days or maybe slight vectors around the dead center of the bravo unless you’re going east west over the top at 5000ft…that’s usually a clearance they will give you. Vfr flight following you still have to get handed off just the same to different frequencies same as IFR so IFR is just safer and worst case if you don’t like the clearance then cancel and go VFR around but at least you tried. With ForeFlight filing IFR takes less than 3 minutes so it’s just too easy these days.

@@BaxterretxaB Couldn’t agree more! I always file an IfR plan when going to a new place, makes life so much easier! Of course if the weather is VFR and don’t like the routing, cancel and be on FF

BINGO!! This holds true for complicated military airspace as well, like the coastal area of SC near Cherry Point or Pensacola FL by Navy flight school.

All you need to know about Class B “cleared through the Bravo”. That’s it nothing else!

I retired from 25 years of airline flying (European short haul Embraer 190/175, Fokker 27/50/70/100) and even on my last fight I learnt. So you are absolutely correct, you are always learning.

I really want car drivers to also have to go through this kind of form filling and investigation and education if they ran a red light

Contact or not contact, you should have situational awareness not to break into airspace. Also, his story makes no sense. Flight following would have contacted the class B and relayed the authorization to him prior to the entry. If he lost comms while having been already cleared, there would be no issue, just contact the class B airspace directly, no violation. He claims he lost comms, knew there was a bravo airspace coming up, busted into it anyway, then climbed up to avoid busting it. My guess is he had absolutely no clue where he was, lost comms, busted the class B airspace, realized it too late, and climbed out. Luckily everybody else was paying attention cause otherwise this could’ve been messy.

So very true!