I grew up terrified the apocalypse was imminent, I’d be left behind and the UN was on the verge of invading the US and implementing a one world government
@@jonnyw82 Yeah, seems like you grew up Christian just like me. I believed some really crazy shit, but now, I'm glad that I'm a non-believer. Now, life is so simple.
When I was a child I was constantly hearing, "the end is near". Several years later my dad told me that when he was a child he heard the same story. I'm willing to bet that my grandfather would've said the same thing.
From a time I could remember, my grandfather would be yammering on about "the end times." He died in 2018, I'm now 46 (almost 47) and we're all still here....
This was truly and utterly profound! Sent freakin’ chills up my spine. And the humility displayed by Dr Tabor is something worth aspiring to. And thanks to Derrick for making this happen!
@@Moodboard39 ,...If anyone does not understand how and why this man is a fraud, they don't because like him, they are spiritually dead and blind. No amount of Biblical truth given to a spiritually dead and blind person will mean nor change a thing, God has blinded you all. As Luke Ch. 16 tells us, there is a barrier (gulf) in between the spiritually alive and the spiritually dead. Even if one rose from the dead you would still not believe. This man is nothing but the blind leading the even more blind. Only God can open your blind eyes if it is his will to do so. I cannot make you see truth, I can only tell you, you are being deceived.
reminds me of the joke I heard Hitch tell about asking the old man standing at the main gate of town gazing out, "what are you doing?" "my job. They pay me to keep a watch for the messiah". "really...how's that going?" "steady work" says he...
I was raised as a high church Anglican with a strong social gospel message. The term “interim ethics” was never used, but we were taught that like Jesus, we also are to commit ourselves to bringing in God’s kingdom, and that part of “taking up one’s cross” means being willing to sacrifice in that struggle no matter how lost the cause may look. Being a follower of Jesus was to be a kingdom- creator. Living the ethics of the gospel is the light of the world, the city we try and build on the hill. We may be crucified in the attempt, but that is what it means to be a follower of Christ. I never realised where the priests where getting these ideas from - now I do. Powerful message, and though I have been an atheist for decades, I still find the imagery powerful.
Respectfully, the understanding of "God's kingdom" that you shared is what is taught, but it is not correct. God's kingdom is already here and available and has been available since Adam. One is in God's kingdom when they have the guidance and protection directed by God Almighty, alone. Psalms 91 expresses it quite clearly. 1 Whoever dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty.[a] 2 I will say of the Lord, “He is my refuge and my fortress, my God, in whom I trust.” You simply must choose God alone as your god, and you will dwell in His shelter. You will not even stub your toe. Now how do you choose God alone as your god? You obey His commands in the scripture. God never asked us to worship anyone except for HIM alone. All our being is supposed to be devoted to God, there is nothing left of us to devote to Jesus or anyone else. The reason that the understanding is all muddled for all the religions is because of a simple fact. All religions have injected distortions that amount to polluting the worship with idolatry. Simply put, the worship becomes toxic to the practicer. Instead of imploring God alone, Christians mention Jesus in their worship, Jews Quote Rabbis (from the invented book the Talmud) in their worship, Muslims mention Abraham and Muhammad next to God in their worship. This makes the worship worse than not good. It is poison. These worshippers have stepped out of God's kingdom all the while they think that they are bringing it to the world. A true believer has no problems whatsoever. No headache, no poverty, no traffic ticket, no illness. Nothing. Just like Job, when a believer passes the test, they have a great life with plenty. Psalms 91 says You will not fear the terror of night, nor the arrow that flies by day, 6 nor the pestilence that stalks in the darkness, nor the plague that destroys at midday. 7 A thousand may fall at your side, ten thousand at your right hand, but it will not come near you. 8 You will only observe with your eyes and see the punishment of the wicked. 9 If you say, “The Lord is my refuge,” and you make the Most High your dwelling, 10 no harm will overtake you, no disaster will come near your tent. 11 For he will command his angels concerning you to guard you in all your ways; 12 they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone. This is not allegorical. It is a fact. The more I practice this, I find it to be true. The Quran states the same system. Worship God alone to be in God's protection and guidance: God's Kingdom. Seek God's kingship over you and the rest follows. If you want to be a believer, you will want the following information. submission.org/introduction.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-OANBzSqko_0.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-IIuFyPnQiCw.html www.masjidtucson.org/quran/ReadQuran.php?appendix=1 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ELIVBSzHWxQ.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-o_WfE1OshIk.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-E-cGpmERYRE.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_MgzxIJKorg.html You must read this book. It is free online or you can get a copy www.goodreads.com/book/show/10772913-quran Peace.
@@jefftaylor19 God’s kingdom, like God, does not exist. If you think you will go through life with no problems then you are deluded - big time. But life itself will soon show you that concept is false. If you like the Psalms then use a concordance and look up suffering, hope, faithfulness - it is very clear that the faithful suffer. You seem to have missed the essential message the Psalms contain. Psalm 119:50 “My comfort in my suffering is this: Your promise preserves my life.” What makes the Psalms such a powerful piece of literature is the longing and hope in the face of adversity. Hope you find that helpful ! ✌️
@@alanbird7781 The scriptures are good news for believers. They are warnings for those who do not believe. Hell will be an awful and horrific place. This life is our last chance to take heed. Peace.
@@jefftaylor19 There is no god, no heaven, no hell. Relax 😎 Your threats of hellfire are meaningless. Next you will be telling me I will get no presents at Xmas, but instead Santa Claus will be leaving me bags of coal 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@alanbird7781 Psalms 91 offers you a perfect life in God's protection with no problems whatsoever, if you only submit to God alone as your Lord. This is real and available. Perhaps the ridiculous injections into the Bible have pushed you away from being open to guidance from God. This is exactly what Satan was trying to accomplish by inspiring the distortions. There are only two possible options for us and no third: God's kingdom or Satan's kingdom. An atheist is actually just another of Satan's trophies just as the Pope is, the Ayatollahs are, etc. God sent a messenger for our time in 1988. We now know with mathematical certainty that God exists. The Quran is not a Muslim book. Islam is a distortion that does not represent the Quran. The Quran is intact, which the mathematical code verifies. The Quran is like a Rosetta Stone for knowing what is truth in the Bible. This book is beyond the ability of humans to create. The work of Dr. Khalifa is an intense examination of the Quran, and we discover that it does not conflict with science and answers all of our questions about the purpose of life. This is the most important information in your life. You have never seen this kind of evidence before. Here are some links for those who chose to be open: submission.org/introduction.html www.masjidtucson.org/quran/ReadQuran.php?appendix=1 Peace.
zee,.....Yes, lies and deception go down like ice cream. The hardest thing to ever convince anyone of is the truth. It is like drinking apple cider vinegar straight down.
My grandfather's favorite thing to say is "we are living in the end times." The reason he said it was because he hates the state of the world and hopes it will end soon.
Grandpa spent THOUSANDS of dollars on 'end times' telemarketing. Thousands. In stead of providing for his family, and ensuring that they had funds when he died, all he left my grandma with was those goddamn tapes.
That's sad!! After years of marriage and parenthood that's why I hate the Bible isn't a pro family book neither faith. Church or faith is like a sponge that absorbs the believer
My grandma is sending money to supposed grifter Christians in Israel. I don't know how much, but it's a little weird. I don't even care about money, I just don't want it going to scam artists.
Did your grandpa think that Jesus was supposed to arrive in 1988, 40 years after the creation of Israel as a government? If he did, he was partially correct. See, facts were conflated very early on in the understanding of Jesus's prophesies. The coming of the "son of man" foretold in Luke 17: 22-36 was never referring to Jesus, but rather, to another of God's righteous servants. Edgar Weisanant predicted 1988, Hal Lidsey predicted 1988, among other. But Jesus did not arrive. However, in Tucson Arizona in 1988 a man announced that He was infact this messenger from God. His messengership is foretold in Malachi 3:1, Luke 17:33-36 and the Quran [3:81]. His message was incredible. WE were supposed to be worshipping God alone. Here are the links to great fount of information. www.goodreads.com/book/show/10772913-quran ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-OANBzSqko_0.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-IIuFyPnQiCw.html submission.org/introduction.html www.masjidtucson.org/quran/ReadQuran.php?appendix=1 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ELIVBSzHWxQ.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-o_WfE1OshIk.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-E-cGpmERYRE.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_MgzxIJKorg.html Peace.
Dear Derek. I have been enjoying and learning a lot from your wonderful videos. I admire the way you carry these interviews, always with respect, with an openness for knowledge and with such grace, and I'm thankful that you make all this available for us. I did not know, until this weekend, about your extraordinary journey that you share in your other channel. I just wanted to say that I now have even more respect and admiration for what you do. You are an amazing guy and an inspiration. You are Mythvision (add the dramatic voice over) but on top of that, you are a legend Mr. Lambert.
Paul’s doctrine on resurrection was given in Romans 8 and 1 Corinthians 15. “But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sins, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness. And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who lives in you.”, Romans 8:10-12. Paul was clearly speaking of resurrection as being raised up as spirits to be alive with God in the spiritual realm. “If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. So it is written: ‘The first man Adam became a living being’, the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so are those who are of heaven. And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven. I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.”, 1 Corinthians 15:44-50. Clearly, according to Paul, Jesus the last Adam became a life-giving spirit from heaven after his death, resurrection and ascension to heaven and all the believers ( dead or living in physical realm) following him would be resurrected as spirits in the Kingdom of God like Jesus himself. Resurrection was the transformation from the perishable state of living according to the flesh to the imperishable state of living according to the Spirit; it was the imputation of righteousness by faith through the Spirit dwelling in the people of God. It had nothing to do with our biological bodies or physical death. With this background of resurrection according to Paul’s doctrine, you can see the obvious errors and inconsistencies of arguments in this video. “The creation” in Romans 8:19-23 could not possibly refer to the planet earth and the animals, plants therein or the human beings being physically transformed when they were redeemed from their “bondage to decay” due to transgressions. “The creation” referred to old covenant Israel under the Mosaic levitical laws in eager expectation of the freedom under the new covenant of Jesus. Consider the passage “Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will be changed - in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.” in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52. It could not possibly refer to the dead people in their graves popping out with new fleshly bodies or the spontaneous transformation of the physical nature of the bodies of the people who were still alive. How could Paul’s audience be expecting the natural instead of the spiritual when Paul had already explained to them about the nature of resurrection earlier in the passage? Consider the passage “For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.” In 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17. This referred to the gathering of the elect (the saints) on the Day of the Lord when the resurrection of the dead and the living who were God’s people for the inheritance of the Kingdom of God occurred. Surely according to Paul’s doctrine of resurrection Jesus was not coming as a physical 5’5” man riding on a cumulus cloud and descending from heaven to meet the saints whose resurrected bodies were flying up in the air to meet Jesus in the sky. To confirm this, consider the passage “Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the Day of the Lord has already come.” in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-2. Surely if imagery of the Day of the Lord was as spectacular as described literally in the passage with Jesus and the resurrected saints appearing physically on earth, Paul would have rebutted the claim simply by asking if any one had seen Jesus or any dead saint coming to life on earth. Again consider the passage “Their teaching will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, who have wondered away from truth. They say that the resurrection has already taken place, and they destroy the faith of some.” In 2 Timothy 2:17-18. Surely if the raising of the dead saint was a physical and bodily resurrection, Paul would have rebutted the claim in the passage simply by asking if anyone had known a dead saint who had been physically raised to life. The apocalypse prophesied in the Bible - the Day of the Lord, the Parousia of Jesus, the Resurrection , the Restoration of old covenant Israel and the Coming of the Kingdom of God had not failed. The spiritual realm is a reality in which the new heaven and new earth had come into existence as Mount Zion, the heavenly Jerusalem since the first century, Hebrews 12:22-28. It is not a “spiritualisation” of something we cannot explain with our mind set in the physical space-time realm; it is an invisible reality - a realm for the spirits.
In the belief system of the times under Greek and Babylonian and late Egyption thinking when you died you went to the underworld. The good and heroes and kings got to live in a nice section that sounds like a duplicate of earth, the wicked went to a dark place and flitted around as ghosts, the wicked were punished in sheol or hades for their sins. Or you got recycled back here for another go at it. The ransom sacrifice and resurrection of Jesus, the last adam, was supposed to free the soul from hell and let us finally rise back up to heaven.
Yes..if you rightly divide the word it makes sense....take Paul's epistles out and you got Israel prophecy...put Paul's epistles in, you got the hidden secret stuff which wasn't for the flock
Are u dispensationist? I' assume....if true , that be the end of the church age ... Don't u think ??? He expected and also the Christian in that time expected , so did James , John , Hebrews of his return
@@PaulaHJ74Are u dispensationist? I' assume....if true , that be the end of the church age ... Don't u think ??? He expected and also the Christian in that time expected , so did James , John
These verses in the Bible would support the position that “God’s timing is not our timing.” 2 Peter 3:8 But of this one thing be not ignorant, my beloved, that one day with the Lord is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour no one knoweth, not the angels of heaven, but the Father alone. Psalm 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are as yesterday, which is past. I hope this was helpful! God Bless!
Jesus never said that he would come back before the Day of Judgement. He said the 'son of man' would come. Also, He said a "comforter' or 'the Spirit of truth' comes. It is those early Christian fathers who assumed and preached the meaning of those expressions. They were not prophets or messengers. They were simply guys with opinions. It appears to me that we have found out since, that the Quran is the Comforter which was released to Muhammad by the Spirit of truth, Gabriel. It will be with us always. Furthermore, the 'son of man' of Luke 17:22-36 and Matthew 24:27 we have found to be Rashad Khalifa Phd. His arrival was also prophesied in Malachi 3:1. Dr. Khalifa was the "Messenger of the Covenant" that was foretold in both the Bible and the Quran [3:81]. Several Christian writers had predicted that the 'son of man' would come in 1988. They thought it would be Jesus. Well, Jesus didn't come. However, in 1988, Tucson Arizona, Dr. Rashad Khalifa announced that he was in fact this person. They only "thought' it was supposed to be Jesus. Dr. Rashad Khalifa taught that any righteous person who submits to God alone can make it to heaven, whether they practice the Torah, the Gospel or the Quran. He was guided by God to research the Quran by computer to discover the incredible mathematical composition of the Quran. We no longer need faith. We now have mathematical proof that God is real and the the Quran is His intact message to us. Here are some links. www.masjidtucson.org/quran/ReadQuran.php?appendix=1 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-OANBzSqko_0.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-IIuFyPnQiCw.html submission.org/introduction.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ELIVBSzHWxQ.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-o_WfE1OshIk.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-E-cGpmERYRE.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_MgzxIJKorg.html Peace.
@@jefftaylor19 I get what you're saying, but in Christianity Jesus us the son of man. I'll check out the links, as to my knowledge no religious text or god is mathematically possible. Let alone a logical definition of god.
@@jefftaylor19 how can Gabriel be the spirit of truth when the Quran says Angels and spirits are different? 78:38 says they are separated into rows. If the spirit is Gabriel an angel there would be no reason to separate them. On the Day when the Spirit and the angels stand in rows, they will not speak except for those to whom the Lord of Mercy gives permission, who will say only what is right.
The Spirit is the title of one angel, specifically, Gabriel. [78:38]The day will come when the Spirit and the angels will stand in a row. None will speak except those permitted by the Most Gracious, and they will utter only what is right. Angel is a category of heavenly beings. It refers to all of God's servants who chose God alone as the only possible god. There are ranks in the heavenly society. The angel Gabriel has a specific role of bringing messages. He is referred to as the Spirit, the Honest Spirit. Jinns are fallen angels, who were cast out of heaven and reside in this lowly universe. They are Satan's decedents, constituents and servants. [2:98] Anyone who opposes God, and His angels, and His messengers, and Gabriel and Michael, should know that God opposes the disbelievers. [19:17]While a barrier separated her from them, we sent to her our Spirit. He went to her in the form of a human being. [26:192-193] This is a revelation from the Lord of the universe. The Honest Spirit (Gabriel) came down with it. [66:4] If the two of you repent to God, then your hearts have listened. But if you band together against him, then God is his ally, and so is Gabriel and the righteous believers. Also, the angels are his helpers. [97:4-5]The Night of Destiny is better than a thousand months. The angels and the Spirit descend therein, by their Lord's leave, to carry out every command. Gabriel is known as the Spirit. He brings new information from God to us. He is the mechanism by which God communicates with all the messengers and prophets. Peace.
Re: 6:16 "Habakkuk may be first century" Agreed. Completely plausible. I just paused the video to read Habakkuk and it sounds EXACTLY like 4 Ezra (dated ~90- 100 C.E.)
There are two kinds of full filled prophecy in the bible? One that was written after the event or one so bloody vague it can be interpreted to mean anything.
Something that might be useful to professor Tabor if he doesn't already know it. There is a Jewish prayer that curses the nazarenes(Jesus followers), written or ammended after the 70CE rebellion against the Romans. It is blessing 12 of the 18 blessings standing prayer (the additional curse makes the prayer have a total of 19 blessings now). It proves Jesus existed and that his movement must have been sizeable. It also shows that they were rejected by all mainstream Jews fairly early on.
Apocalypticism remembers me a novel i loved, "the Desert of the Tartars", published in 1939 Italy by Dino Buzzati: a young graded soldier is sent to Bastiani fortress, watching over a desertic border beyond wich nobody knows what really lies. The boredom is great for people serving there for decades and everybody is waiting for an attack, interpreting any minimal signal, inside or outside the fortress and their minds. The Tartars are near, who knows when they are going to attack?
One of my friends keeps telling me "it's the End Times & Jesus is coming any day now" for 2000 years people have been saying this same thing. It's just ridiculous.
@Ivana Ivana Oh that's convenient. So we have a invisible God & a second coming that no one alive today will never see. Honestly you're just talking nonsense.
there was a Native American prophet called Wovoka. A few years earlier there had been another such prophet. they both believed some version of the same thing--they had had visions. Wovoka was taken up into heaven. he was told if all the native peoples would do this certain dance as a community within certain guidelines God would intervene, take away the white people, the dead Indians would return, the buffalo would return. Wovoka was a person of moral excellence, he could heal people, he could control the weather (they believed). i read this is a recurring thing in human history, when a society is stressed to the breaking point shamanic personalities emerge and say that if everyone will do a certain symbolic act God or the supernatural realm will be inspired to have mercy and intervene. the existing order will be turned upside down. jesus and the baptist were just ancient shamanic personalities as was paul. their society was stressed to the limit. the shamans emerged (jesus and john the baptist) and said if all the Jews would get baptized in the Jordan river God would intervene, kick out the Romans, and the social order would be turned upside down, "the last will be first and the first will be last". jesus said, "this generation won't pass away before all this has happened." he really was a great person. but the amazing thing is that people are still holding to this unbelievably archaic stuff. it's amazing. and the people devoting their lives to who said what and what they really meant...none of it is any more important than Wovoka and the other Native American prophet. jesus, the baptist, paul, had visions, they believed them, none of it happened, they were empty dreams. but the people indoctrinated with this stuff as little children, whose parents and grandparents believed in it, those people can't let go of this. It's really sad that this is the best religion we can come up with in the West. It's sad.
I think if you divide the prophesy dates by 2 and then multiple that figure by Pi, you will have a number. Then the whole ghost will tell you what that number isn't, therefore what remains is the "Answer". You just have to believe or you will get it wrong.
William Miller. 1844. The Great Disappointment. (Not 1884.) The Adventist Movement arose from this from which many years later the Seventh Day Adventist Church emerged which to this day ascribes significance to 1844 as the beginning of "The Investigative Judgement" which mainstream Christianity, though recognizing the Seventh Day Adventists as Christians, wholeheartedly rejects as orthodox doctrine.
I have so many tough questions about the bible like this that nobody can ever answer for me. Sometimes I think I am the only one who notices these contradictions in the bible. Most Christians are either ignorant of them, or in denial. I guess we can do nothing but just have faith that he will come when the time is right.
To many church teach differently . They not dispensation. They not into Paul much but following the red letters ( majority of Christianity ) follow . That's why there confusion , and people who left , become atheist
JB,.....The fact is, science as it pertains to the cosmology of the earth/world, is religion, it is nothing but the science fiction fantasy nonsense that comes from the imagination of God hating men. The Bible is the only truth there is.
@@tonybasoni8443 Your perverted views show strongly here, for a man cannot hate that in which he does not believe to exist. You speak of imagination, yet you cannot differentiate it from reality. You claim the Bible is truth, but there is no truth in you. Your statements make you look worse than if you had said nothing at all. You are truly an empty vessel.
@@alainabilow Let me clarify for you. Since Christians cannot distinguish their god from their imagination, any arguments that rely on this god existing are essentially worthless.
"...הִנֵּה עֻפְּלָה, לֹא-יָשְׁרָה נַפְשׁוֹ בּוֹ; וְצַדִּיק, בֶּאֱמוּנָתוֹ יִחְיֶה." (Habakkuk Chapter 2:4), The Hebrew concept "righteous in his faith shall live" is a broad concept and recipe mainly about the fact that the person is actually stubborn Any person who is proven and is stubborn, will offer the above sentence! This is because he "holds" himself "righteous" Therefore, when I look at certain things, my view will usually be different from the way others look at the same things. Hence, the above sentence refers to the scattering of ideas rather than literally to the "righteous" with "faith"
The word ‘interpretation’ always gets pulled out of the bag by creationists when the bible doesn’t work for them. The religious policy is: If there is no truth evident, put a spin on (or just try and destroy anyone with reasonable contradictory facts).
I've been sensing that the "Christian" Right was going to be getting more authoritarian, and hoping that my lifeling interest in historical Christianity might serve as a way to talk with them. Fat chance. They're going to believe wtf they want. 🤣
Hit them with the truth anyway. Lots of people raised Evangelical and Fundamentalist end up de-converting. Many have questions that their pastors can't answer. They see the contradictions, they just need to overcome the programming, which is hard for them. Help them.
I think my mum’s prophecies seem more accurate. My mum said: “I have a feeling it’s going to be a girl.” ......Two months later, she said: “it’s going to be a boy.” ....The morning we announced the birth of our daughter, she said: “I told you it was going to be a girl!”
“There is silence all around. The Baptist appears, and cries: “Repent, for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.” Soon after that comes Jesus, and in the knowledge that He is the coming Son of Man lays hold of the wheel of the world to set it moving on that last revolution which to bring all ordinary history to a close. It refuses to turn, and He throws Himself upon it. Then it does turn; and crushes Him. Instead of bringing in the eschatological conditions, He has destroyed them. The wheel rolls onward, and the mangled body of the one immeasurably great Man, who was strong enough to think of Himself as the spiritual ruler of mankind and to bend history to His purpose, is hanging upon it still. That is His victory and His reign.” [Albert Schweitzer, The Quest of the Historical Jesus, pg.370-371.]
"For all of us, it will end when we die". True that. But that is not the end, but the beginning of something in you that you have internally created through this life on earth that will be revealed upon the transition period known as death. For some, it has happened before and we try to help others understand beyond what the sense organs reveal as totality. That is the eternal life of Christ Jesus.
"And the Good News about the Kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, so that all nations will hear it; and THEN THE END WILL COME" (Matthew 24:14)
@@Pushing_Pixels Are you are saying that YOU are the one in control of which "prophecies" are True and which prophecies are False ? And YOU decide the timeline of WHEN those prophecies come to pass ? Jesus said, "No man "knows" the day or the hour.." (Matthew 24:36) and Jesus also said, "It is not for YOU to "know" the times or the seasons which the Father has put in his own power". (Acts 1:7) So anything "short" of God telling you "personally" that the Prophets He Himself chose, called and spoke through are "Liars", is just corrupt deluded thinking on your part.
@@7Truth7Wins7 Where did I say I was in control of prophesy? Jesus also said the second coming and the kingdom of God would happen in the lifetimes of his disciples. So did Paul. It didn't. It still hasn't. Every generation of Christians for two thousand years has seen all the signs around them and believed they were the last generation, that they would see the end. Every single time they were wrong. Why would I believe anyone saying the same thing today?
@@Pushing_Pixels #1. You said, "Where did I say I was in control of prophesy? " Because you said the Prophecy "failed", which either means you have "divine" knowledge from God about it or you are just "guessing" ignorantly. #2. You said, "Jesus also said the second coming and the kingdom of God would happen in the lifetimes of his disciples. So did Paul." I don't know what "Bible" you are reading but Jesus and Paul did NOT say that. This is what Jesus said.... "Then he said to his disciples, “The time is coming when you will long to see the day when the Son of Man returns, but you won’t see it." (Luke 17:22) NLT How could Jesus tell his disciples that they would see His "literal" return when He told Peter that he would die in John 21:18, and we know that James died by the sword in Acts 12:2, and Jesus Himself told John that he would also die in Mark 10:35-39 ?? Also, please post the scripture where Paul said that Jesus would return in his lifetime. You need to stop listening to "men" tell you what the Bible says and read it for YOURSELF. Jesus clearly said that "no man knows the day or the hour" (Mt 24:36) and He also said "it is not for you to "know" the times or the seasons which the Father has put in his own power" (Acts 1:7)
@@7Truth7Wins7It was supposed happened in their lifetime. And Jesus gave them signs preceding up to his return . They all though even Paul the world going to end in their lifetime .
So I’m taking that Titus was the prince to come. Woe Daniel actually got something right. Titus was the son of Vespasian and was the military leader when the Temple was destroyed.
In his book 'The Faith of Jesus' Leroy Waterman and many other scholars have convincingly proved that Jesus was not Apocalyptic. The doctrine of Apocalypse was borrowed by the Jews from the Persians, during the Babylonian exile when the jews adopted foreign doctrines. Jesus' central message was The Kingdom but his apostles turned away from it and taught the Apocalypse. It's time for those who would like to reform Christianity to recover the message of the Kingdom.
All versions except when the text can mean anything you want them to mean. Else you have to discard all the gospels, paul, peter book of revelations. Basically everything. When everything is wrong in your texts then there is nothing left. And a text that cant be interpreted however you want is worthless and means nothing. All this proves that religion is about feelings and some basic need in humans. Even when we today know it's all made up people still believe it, or believe something at least. Most believers don't know much about their religion or they cherry pick and use cognitive dissonance. Most people needs a master in the sky to tell them what to do to find meaning in life and overcome the fear of not existing. The ultimate endgame for a social animal.The pack and hierarchy needs to be in place even if it's not in the real world. That is when it becomes so strange hearing so called freedom loving americans that say they love freedom so much but still are desperate to have an authority that rules supreme in their lives. The ultimate sky daddy authoritarian. Not much freedom there. Massive paradox but they dont seem to see it themself.
@@tklyte Yet they see this in other religions and point that out. But most people are doubters by they don't want to admit it, like their God would not know that they don't truly believe but more wants and hopes it's real. This is why it takes so long for many to let go. The guilt, fear and shame that they have been "fooled".. But always ask Christians first. What is a prophets that fails in his predictions? And point to some other religious example. Then point out that it's the same for their religion. Will make some start thinking..
"However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows." (Mark 13:32)
I'm not a biblical scholar by no means, but didn't God say after the flood that he would never destroy the Earth again? Isn't the rainbow after a rain suppose to remind him not to destroy the Earth? I'm not trying to be disrespectful. If I offended anybody I apologize.
Haha. 7:18 They ask you ˹O Prophet˺ regarding the Hour, “When will it be?” Say, “That knowledge is only with my Lord. He alone will reveal it when the time comes. It is too tremendous for the heavens and the earth and will only take you by surprise.” They ask you as if you had full knowledge of it. Say, “That knowledge is only with Allah, but most people do not know.”
Islam is not Christianity. 79-42 They ask you ˹O Prophet˺ regarding the Hour, “When will it be?” - Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran 79-43 But it is not for you to tell its time.1 - Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran 79-44 That knowledge rests with your Lord ˹alone˺. - Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear
You won’t be able to reply because I don’t have time nor patience for ignorance. There’s a debate going on in the Muslim world to teach creation. 71-13 What is [the matter] with you that you do not attribute to Allah [due] grandeur - Saheeh International 71-14 While He has created you in stages?1 - Saheeh International 71-15 Do you not consider how Allah has created seven heavens in layers1 - Saheeh International 7-16 And made the moon therein a [reflected] light and made the sun a burning lamp? - Saheeh Internationalol 71-17 And Allah has caused you to grow from the earth a [progressive] growth. - Saheeh International 7-18 Then He will return you into it and extract you [another] extraction. - Saheeh International 24:45Allah has created every [living] creature from water. And of them are those that move on their bellies, and of them are those that walk on two legs, and of them are those that walk on four. Allah creates what He wills. Indeed, Allah is over all things competent. 29-19 Have they not considered how Allah begins the Creation and then repeats it? Indeed that,for Allah,is easy. 29-20 Say,[O Prophet ] travel through the land and observe how He began creation.Then Allah will produce the final creation.Indeed Allah,over all things, Is competent.Sahih international 15-26 And We did certainly create man out of clay from an altered black mud. 15:28 And [mention, O Prophet], when your Lord said to the angels, "I will create a human being out of clay from an altered black mud. 15:29 And when I have proportioned him and breathed into him of My [created] soul, then fall down to him in prostration. The Quran is not a comical book like the Bible.
It's all about the Flavians establishing their rule. They had the backing of all the gods which gave them legitimacy. " But when Domitian built a Temple of the Flavian Family , the poet Statius describes him as placing the stars of his family ( the Flavian ) in a new heaven ."
I enjoyed listening to this. It is true that God had his Providence prolonged when Israel rejected the chosen one. Again and again throughout biblical timeline. So the end times are here, maybe this time for real.
It has not failed. I believe were still in the midst of the 70 weeks of years of Daniels prophecy. And already, if we’re paying attention, there are things going on with humanity and nature, that shows we’re coming near that time.
The only Bible author who claimed to have seen Jesus is Paul who asserted that he met him in a vision and described Jesus as being only a bright light. Paul actually stated that his sources were non-human, "...the gospel I preached is not of human origin." (Galatians 1:11-12). Paul further asserted that Jesus selected him alone to speak for him (Acts 9:15): "Paul is my chosen instrument to take my message to the Gentiles and to kings as well as to the people of Israel." In Romans 1:16 Paul reveals that no other gospels existed at the time, "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ." The Jesus story began in 48 AD with the first of the Pauline Epistles (which comprise nearly half of the New Testament books) when Paul realized the Daniel 9:25 prophesy of a messiah expired without fulfilling so he made one up decades later and set the story decades in the past matching Jewish expectations of the messiah to make the prophesy seem true. The fulfillment of the Daniel 9:25 prophecy written in 444 BC was the test of the true messiah. By 48 AD it was known that the prophecy of a messiah coming in "seven weeks and threescore and two weeks" had not occurred on the prophesied date. It was the 69th Week and the 70th Week was soon to come. The prophesied messiah was expected and the anticipation set off a messiah craze. "Seven weeks and threescore and two weeks" is, 7 plus 60 plus 2 equals 69 total weeks. One prophetic week equals seven biblical years of 360 days (the Julian calendar was created centuries later), so 7 times 69 equals 483 total biblical years beginning with Artaxerxes' decree in 444 BC. Those 483 biblical years equal 173,880 days, or 476 Julian years. Therefore the Messiah would come and be "cut off" in AD 33. One prophetic week equaling seven Biblical years is something “Daniel” invented in about 165 BC, effectively an admission that Jeremiah 25:11-12 failed. Paul made up the entire Jesus story and added historical figures, locations, and events to add authenticity. In the Galatians "road to Damascus" conversion vision tale written in 48 AD he claimed to have gone to the Arabian desert to study the Old Testament for 17 years to align with the Daniel 9:25 prophecy. Paul's goal was to garner support for the insurrection against the Romans which began in 46 AD led by two brothers, Jacob and Simon, in the Judea province. The revolt, mainly in the Galilee, began as sporadic insurgency until it climaxed in 48 AD when it was quickly put down by Roman authorities. Both Simon and Jacob were executed. He created the fiction of having witnessed the risen messiah. He wanted to show that the messiah had come as prophesied but was murdered by the Romans. This was to entice the Gentiles to aid in the Jews' rebellion against the Romans.
@twitherspoon8954 There was only the Gospel of the Christ and mostly by word of mouth by those who were among Him at the time. True that there was no writ of a Gospel about Christ till later. The Gospel is the message Jesus brought to the Jews he was born among. The Jews were seeking a Messiah that was promised in earlier writ. They were seeking a warrior of the type to deliver them from their enemies, not a carpenters son. Jesus' message rubbed the chief priest, and Sanhedrin and his claim of being equal to God. (I am THAT, I AM) This, of course, led to Jesus' crucifixion, which He already revealed would happen, not to mention the many things He did amongst the people while presenting His news, which many think Gospel means--Good News. Jesus even scolded the chief priest for not recognizing the message promised by the earlier prophets of His coming. As for Paul, of all the NT writ, Paul wrote the most, 2nd only to Jesus that first brought the message and was messenger to the Gentile folks and Jews. The Gospel preached was indeed not of human origin; it is from God in the personna of Jesus, born of flesh, yet having the essence of God, thus being heir to God. Being born of the flesh He is heir to King David(by marriage), thus making Jesus the Christ---King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
After having listened to a few of Neville Goddard's videos, I've begun to suspect that the intimation of the NT was that the christ consciousness was "soon to come", meaning more or less "Now". As everything occurs in the "Now" moment, which really is the only moment. Possibly the writers had this metaphysical knowledge and were trying to stitch it into the books. Regardless, it is definitely worth looking at.
Habakkuk is a book referred to a good deal by JWs. That quote is even in their “kingdom melodies.” For them “it’s just around the corner”-always. Be afraid. Very afraid. Like Jesus said it will come like a thief in the night when you least expect it.. Fucking Doomsday cult.
You just described all religion. They all spread dangerous rhetoric that causes people to live their lives in fear and the false hope that there is something after they die. This prevents them from making the most out of this life, the only life one gets. What do you remember before you were born.....well, that's what you know after you die.... nothing. I know, I can hear the believers saying how sad that is , having nothing to look forward to, no security blanket. For me, not having to worry about the afterlife, leaves me free to appreciate everything I've been given in this life. The only thing I need to live my life, and live it well, is the Golden Rule-do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
@@m.a.sperry3424 Nope. Not all religions are traumatizing and abusive, just as all organizations. marriages, and relationships are abusive. It is understandable if you haven't been exposed to the difference, and I am thankful many have not suffered such abuse. But there are resources out there for you to educate yourself on the vast differences and what that means in real terms for people.
@@saffronhammer7714 At first I thought you were defending JW, but your last sentence (OP)seemed to cancel that idea. So which religion do you defend? I'm not sure you read my post, but just decided too preach. I really I have all the info I need to make an informed decision about how to live my life and interact with the world around me. The Golden Rule is sufficient.
The fundamental problem with Tabor take on what is real and not real when it comes to scripture, Bible, Qumram or otherwise, as he enunciates at the end of this video, is that not all people of faith are literalists on every point or idea expressed in scripture, and far from feeling that it is necessary to figure out or know themselves how the world will or will not end, they simply leave that to God. That some believe or have believed a literal apocalypse (and exactly in what that apocalypse consists) in their own time is their right if they care to do so. And as erroneous as we might see such views as being, Prof Tabor can hardly be said to know better than they simply because he is an agnostic.
Of course my comments are directed to those who are apologists to these biblical end times revelations that failed and not directed to Dr. James Tabor comments !
The most troubling passage, and about the end times. They truly believe he was going to return, idk how clear can it be. Very troubling. Depenstiomal teach after the church leaves, Israel would resume. How so? So that means the apostles would be resurrected again to witness the tribulation in what Jesus predicted? That don't make sense, what about Chaiphis the high priest? He will see coming in the clouds of heaven? He's been dead 2000 years ago, or the those peirced him in revelation 1???
It isn't that something doesn't mean what it means, it's just that you have to let the author of a book define their own terms and you can't insert your Western worldview into the Bible No scholars have a problem with admitting that God already came on the clouds to judge Egypt per Isaiah 19:1 Jesus said he was going to come and do what he saw the father do Unless Jesus saw the father when he came to judge Egypt in the clouds then you don't have a case to make this physical
When I started to study the bible, Bart Ehrman was one of my favorite authors. I've read a few of Elaine Pagels' books. Dr. Tabor's perspective is as a historian couldn't be more opposite of my view. Since I don’t believe the chastisements of God that make us whole are suffering and death at the hands of men, I can appreciate their critical thought. The bible isn’t a history book. It is a witness to Jesus’ work of salvation. The historical context is simply the vehicle within which to convey the message. If you believe in talking donkeys, there is no need to recall any other conflict, Job 40:32 NAB. Behemoth’s frame is as iron and his bones as bronze, Job 40:18. Leviathan considers iron as straw and bronze as rotted wood, Job 41:18 NAB. Israel’s sky will be as bronze and the earth as iron, Deu 28:23. The king of Babylon will be fettered in iron and bronze, Dan 4:20 NAB. Because I know that you are stubborn and that your neck is an iron sinew and your forehead bronze (Isa 48:4 NABO) The first creation story is about the New Heavens and New Earth of the New Covenant. Adam, who was without sin, is the beginning of Jesus' work of the salvation of the Shining One (Serpent), the cornerstone of Jesus' work of salvation of the Father you spring from, Jn 8:44, the ruler of this world, David, 2Sam 23:5, the Morning Star, Rev 22:16, your king whom God will raise up for you, Jer 30:9. Adam’s sin is prophetic of the day of the lord, the treading of the winepress of wrath, when he sharpens his flashing sword on the day of vengeance and judgment and is made to be sin. Master of the demon sin, Gen 4:7, he will crush heads the world over, therefore will he hold up his head, Ps 110:5-7. How else could he judge the world, Rm 3:5.6. The bible starts out with the current state of this world, Babylon, having become a wasteland and covered in darkness. While the LORD'S own portion was Jacob, His hereditary share was Israel. He found them in a wilderness, a wasteland of howling desert. He shielded them and cared for them, guarding them as the apple of his eye. (Deu 32:9-10 NABO) Much was said about Daniel. The king of Babylon, the Morning Star, the king of kings, the Tree seen from the ends of the earth, the ruler of this world, is the Ancient Serpent of Old (Shining One) who will become much greater than before as the Ancient One of Days taking a seat upon one of the thrones that are set up on the Mount of assembly, in the recesses of the north. The Son of Man being presented to him is easily viewed as Jesus washing the feet of Peter, to whom Jesus said, “Get Behind me Satan”.
@@Pushing_PixelsAdam is the Christ. He has been here since the beginning. Adam wields the fiery sword and Noah treads the winepress. Both are found naked. Both start out in a barren world. The fiery sword guards the way to the Tree of Life. God tells Noah he will put an end to all mortals. Joshua sieges Jericho and enters the promised land. In Isaiah 4 the column of smoke and pillar of fire of Moses (the smoking pot and burning brazier of Abraham) are created after a fiery judgment. It is a consistent theme. The same story with the same individual in a different storyline. He is a third party to this world and these heavens. Here he is again, as Esau, the firstborn: Esau, the firstborn, lives by the sword (fiery sword?) and serves his brother, Jacob, who was born ‘striking’ at his heel. Isaac blessed Esau saying: Ah, far from the fertile earth shall be your dwelling; far from the dew of the heavens above! (Gen 27:39 NABO) My kingdom does not belong to this world. (Joh 18:36 NABO) Where I am going you cannot come. (Joh 8:21 NABO) The one who ascended far above all the heavens themselves (Eph 4:10 NABO) "By your sword (sacrifice) you shall live, and your brother you shall serve; But when you become restive (weak; faint; infirm; a worm; man of suffering; restless; wanderer in the desert; way of the Lord in the desert), you shall throw off his yoke from your neck." (Gen 27:40 NABO) Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am meek and humble of heart; and you will find rest for your selves. For my yoke is easy, and my burden light. (Mat 11:29-30 NABO)
@@quetzelmichaels1637 _"The bible isn’t a history book. It is a witness to Jesus’ work of salvation."_ None of the Gospel authors witnessed Jesus --- because Jesus is a fictional character.
@@twitherspoon8954 I never said the N.T. was a historical record of a real character. There is an individual that comes at the end of the ages, two appearances within the same generation as the sacrifice and resurrection. The flood story of Noah comes from the Sumerian Epic of Gilgamesh. The Exodus story of Moses appears to come from the exodus of the Hyksos people a few hundred years earlier. The Crucifixion story comes from teh thousand who were crucified, ostensibly, in the back yard of the N.T. authors. It appears there was no David. There is an individual behind the name in the stories.
I recall reading many of the so called holy books. Each one basically said " belive this way or die ". By the end of junior high school, I came to the conclusion that they were all crap. Now,
Isaiah 46:10, NIV: I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say, 'My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.
@عدالت_حقیقت_وحدت This woman is that bride, the religion of God, that descended upon Muḥammad. The sun with which she was clothed were are you getting all this nonsense
@عدالت_حقیقت_وحدت sorry my friend the source that you gave me is only 90 % truth the rest it has nothing to do with Muhammad (This woman is that bride, the religion of God, which is the church of Christ. God bless
@عدالت_حقیقت_وحدت this is what chapter 12 means Revelation 12 1 A great and wondrous sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads. 4 His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child the moment it was born. 5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter. And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. 6 The woman fled into the desert to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days. 7 And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him. 10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: "Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Christ. For the accuser of our brothers, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down. 11 They overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death. 12 Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short." 13 When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14 The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the desert, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent's reach. 15 Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent. 16 But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring--those who obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.
dear friend please don't take things from the Bible, that you do not know anything about, to please your own agenda. Your Prophet Muhammad did the same thing, by taking thing from the Bible and he failed miserably, about the Bible.
Daniel was actually fulfilled in the days of Antiochus epiphanes There was always always another connotation that was written in Prophecy that pointed to something in the future Just like the Tabernacle of David being rebuilt complete metaphor Doesn't sound to me you have a problem with Christianity just prophecy interpretation
I love the Catholic church but I'm also a student of Gnosticism. I realize that only Gnosticism and the ancient mystery schools help Jesus truly make since. The Kingdom is within.
I naively sent my grade school age sons to a summer camp run by NFL players. (age 8&11) Remembering my Girl Scout camp adventures and growing up in a church that sang “Jesus Loves me This I know” I signed the forms. After dinner every night they were shown movies about Revelation. My older son thought it was a joke but the younger came home totally terrified. He was afraid the horses were going to come for him. Evangelicals seem to feel they can tell any lie, abuse any person if they think you should convert.
Yup and for 120 years the folk in Noah's day did not believe the end was near until it rained. When GOD said Israel would be in Egypt 400 years and they were... Many try to predict what GOD says will happen, would happen when THEY SAY. The LORD told us already that NO MAN KNOWS THE DAY NOT THE HOUR.... The day will come when HE will return in the manor spoken "in an hour when you think not".
Doesn't negate he predicted a imminent return, even if was a hr or day not know. He gave them signs to look for preceeding his return and what to look for, why u igorning those parts??
The prophecies in the Hebrew Scriptures are actually accurate. The prophecies regarding the survival of the Jews and the ingathering and return to the land of Israel could have only been a fulfillment of prophecy because there’s no way that the 2500 years since that was written to when it happened considering all of the murder, genocide and destruction that has taken place.
"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is long suffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." (2nd Peter 3:9)
Prof Tabor you have brought so much enlightenment to mankind. The question is: are christians willing to understand that the 'end time' teaching of Apostle Paul are completely false and misleading? Are christians willing to accept the fact that Apostle Paul was either delusional or a scam artist? Apostle Paul's teachings/doctrine brought so much calamity to this world. I am no longer a christian because it is clear to me that heaven is scam and Jesus can NEVER come back to the earth. We are immensely grateful Sir
What happened to the building of the Jerusalem Temple. The Jews believe all of Israel is the light of the world and NOT one person. Isn't this what's coming ? This is why they need a Temple and sacrifices.
