The FAKE Hawkgirl Origin - Justice League’s Biggest Secret

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Hawkgirl's character arc throughout the "Justice League" cartoons made us all cheer, boo, and cry our eyes out...and all because...we had been lied to, for years. But how and why did the creative team craft a completely fake backstory for the Thanagarian heroine?
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@dcauwatchtower 3 года назад

Forgot to credit at 20:15 - Art by Phil Cho! www.deviantart.com/phil-cho

@batman200 3 года назад

How many video and sound issues do the hbo max versions of dcau have or have they all been corrected finally? other than static shock missing two episodes and the zeta project not being up on hbo max yet.

@srstriker6420 3 года назад

I didn’t expect this to happen even after Dan Riba gave the answer and I have seen Phil-cho before, have you seen Tiny Toon Adventures where they did a Justice league parody short and 18:07 I wonder if there is a connection between him, Ebon and the Shade?

@AndreNitroX 3 года назад

Awesome video. Funny enough I was just making a hawk girl video of my own when this popped up

@srstriker6420 3 года назад

@@AndreNitroX so are you going to do it then?

@dcauwatchtower 3 года назад

@Onyi Ononye W...what?

@saikanzen1762 3 года назад

The way they decided to both pay tribute to the actual lore and do something new was so well executed. The DCAU was more than we deserved.

@lewis3853 3 года назад

No. The DCAU mindset in the DCEU is EXACTLY what we need.

@mayanboricua 2 года назад

"More than we deserved" WRONG. It is exactly what's needed. DC used to wipe the floor with Marvel, way back when.

@megatamerernie513 2 года назад

Dcafu was pretty well done as well, in my opinion. Im just waiting for the next interconnected universal story.

@MisterEvvvSymphoenix Год назад

Indeed ... and I just realised that Hawk Girl is pretty much a Viltrumite ... sort of ...

@TheAyanamiRei Год назад

DCAU has had a lot of Quality. In fact the Modern DCAU is BETTER than their Live Action. It's why I'm so sad that it's been cut.

@chrisanderson2204 3 года назад

The Hawkgirl face reveal was my favorite Hawkgirl moment

@MisterTwit 3 года назад

I always thought it was goofy how her eyes changed when she took the mask off but I got over it quickly

@fictionverse7292 3 года назад

I wanted to see the full picture of Hawkgirl without the mask and old costume

@tombondcrispy6585 3 года назад

The part where she asks batman about her son from the future was good too..

@ttun100 3 года назад

It was for GL, John Stewart too.

@charlesintune 2 года назад

My favorite moment was "They can't TALK all they like" 😡 from Legends... LOL

@mementomori5580 3 года назад

The biggest reveal for me with Hawkgirl was that she was catually wearing a helmet... considering that she never took that of in the beginning, I always thought that that's just how Thanagarians looked like ^^

@dcauwatchtower 3 года назад

Next time I watch the show I’m totally imagining it this way

@spifebreadfriend6791 Год назад

Same bro XD

@littenfire3563 Год назад

when I was a kid, I totally thought that was just her face too

@RustyNips Год назад

I also wondered if it was helmet or head jumping back and forth between the 2 cause you couldn't really tell lol

@chargestone96 Год назад

This video is how i found out it wasnt just a weird hawk mutation lol

@Thiccboigohan 3 года назад

her “haaaaaaaaa” was iconic lol

@slowpie 3 года назад

Soooooo iconic. One of the best voice casts ever!

@Tiberon098 3 года назад

Man, the “aired 20 years ago” line hit me too hard, f*** am I old.

@dcauwatchtower 3 года назад

Yyyyyyyup

@themediachannel353 3 года назад

@@dcauwatchtower you are great 👍 and guys would you please let us know what is the correct order for episodes of batman the animated series, I just start watching it and it's confusing, Wikipedia says that Christmas with joker is episode 2 but robin suddenly appears out of nowhere and in the next episode (based on Wikipedia) that scarecrow comes, robin is just gone! The order from imdb is also wrong, would you please tell me what is the correct order? I know you guys are busy but I really can't find the right order and I think I am not the only one. So it would be very nice of you guys to explain it, sorry for the long letter

@Leadeshipcoach 3 года назад

DUde! I thought pretty much the same thing "That was 20 years ago?!!!"

@dcauwatchtower 3 года назад

@@themediachannel353 The best we have so far is a small chunk seen in our “The DCAU Timeline So Far” video. Past that, production order is always gonna be better than airdate order. There is no “Robin introduction episode” (though we do eventually see his origin in “Robin’s Reckoning”) so there’s not any right or wrong way in terms of that aspect.

@themediachannel353 3 года назад

@@dcauwatchtower ok thank you for your answer 🙏 keep up the good work, you guys are awesome 👌

@Zazzy235 3 года назад

I realized the mom in Wizards of Waverly Place was Hawkgirl when in one episode she was carrying a heavy box and she grunted and I was like oh that sounds like Hawkgirl

@rickysalgado1623 3 года назад

I also paid pretty close attention to the grunts too 👀😏🤤

@pablothecoffeelover2551 3 года назад

So honestly I was surprised I have no idea she voiced her

@fabulousmeatpotato5987 2 года назад

@@rickysalgado1623 my god you are freaky

@chcltroses 2 года назад

I had no idea she was Hawkgirl, lol.

@Rpikachu 2 года назад

She also voiced She-Hulk in marvel vs capcom 3

@RedWolf777SG 3 года назад

Now there's a strong DC female character done right. Actually a lot of DC female characters were done pretty well in this series.

@JaharNarishma 3 года назад

I usually put a lot of weight on the characterisation when I (subconciously) judge stories. This series passed the bar. The characters were great even if the story line was questionable because the powers of the heroes weren't on a consistent level.

@jortharob3406 3 года назад

@@JaharNarishma This is so true. If their power were more consistent and Superman or Man hunter were just way stronger than everyone else I don't think it would have worked as well.

@nonenone4461 3 года назад

So let me get this straight. Betrays multiple peoples, her own, earth. Stabs love interest right in the back, largely to cover up the fact that he is "the other man" she cheated on her husband with. Note....genocidal consequence due to her mating with criminal sociopath (what could go wrong). Genocide you say? Why not change your mind and betray your own people, stab husband in the back. Now subjects her own people to genocide by an unrelenting enemy. Note, does nothing to defend homeworld. Acts surprised later when survivors try to bring her to justice. Cheats on the green lantern, why? Largely because black men are good for the night but not for life, so why not get a white guy. Mmmmm....lovely sentiment here. Time travel reveals she went to black, dumping white (unknown). Implied, father of baby is not what she claims. Yes, YESH...Hawkgirl. Strong. Empowered role model for young girls. How about no.

@JaharNarishma 3 года назад

@@nonenone4461 the story line is questionable, but the character is a strong role model if you disregard the "special" story. Generally, all specials are changing stuff from the core. Do not take them too seriously. They are made for extra tension, which stabbing lovers provides.

@furnfangs7648 2 года назад

Unfortunately this video had to include a couple single frame derriere shots of HG. Good video, very informative, but editing dept had to give us that slice of cheesecake!

@JayTVIndia 3 года назад

The moment you get utter respect for Hawkgirl when you realise she fooled even the Batman

@omnientertainment5852 3 года назад

@@paulpolpiboon9535 but it did happen, no excuses.

@shadowofthenorthstar989 3 года назад

If I remember correctly Batman said he knew she was a spy

@allstardawn6062 3 года назад

@@paulpolpiboon9535 Wat someone getting the leg up on batman that's never happened in the history of dc comics ever 🤣, jokes aside it's been established that shayera is just as good as batman when it comes to strategy I mean she used to regularly beat him at chess for crying out load

@asher7535 3 года назад

@@paulpolpiboon9535 you must be fun at parties

@paulocuento9949 3 года назад

@@paulpolpiboon9535 haha ok boomer.. denying DCAU's legitimacy doesnt prove youre argument.. as far as im concerned, people involved in DCAU have more credibility than some old head, try-hard, wannabe expert, ranting about it :))

@comicfan1324 3 года назад

I didn’t know about this fake origin as a kid I just thought “Oh she’s an alien bird lady? Okay.”

@srstriker6420 3 года назад

Or some people would think she was an angel

@twigs5020 3 года назад

@@srstriker6420 I mean... she is (technically)

@srstriker6420 3 года назад

@@twigs5020 especially when you first see her

@srstriker6420 3 года назад

@The Krimson Kommander and that’s they should have brought them in the Snyder cut

@dr.calibrations7984 3 года назад

@Will N Rule of Cool my friend. And X-men made it work.

@ComicBookNostalgia 3 года назад

"less talking more hitting" -Hawkgirl

@ghostface9652 3 года назад

"there's a time for words and there's a time for action" - hawkgirl

@kingkong9892 3 года назад

The fact she says both of these lines to green lantern.... Feel like shes trying to tell him something

@dcauwatchtower 3 года назад

@@kingkong9892 I think the first was to Lex?

@nonenone4461 3 года назад

Sounds like my last date.

@benjohnson9224 3 года назад

I remember being bummed that Hawkgirl was chosen over Aquaman because I was a purist as a child. However, Hawkgirl was one of the best characters of the DCAU. I came to really like her and was glad they went with her instead of Aquaman by the end of the first season, which made her betrayal even more shocking and hurtful. I, like James, was torn up when she flew away and could not wait for her to come back. DCAU Hawkgirl>>>>DC Comics Hawkgirl

@srstriker6420 3 года назад

@shut up yeah you think they should have used in the Justice league over Cyborg?

@kingkong9892 3 года назад

@@srstriker6420 they should have used john stewart.

@srstriker6420 3 года назад

@@kingkong9892 yes both him and the Hawks

@bloody4558 Год назад

@@kingkong9892 Not me. The only people who like JOhn Stewart so much are the ones who grew up wiht the cartoons without ever reading the comics. The only problem I've always had with the cartoon was the absolute lack of anything about Kyle. Justice League was based in a comic book whose Justice League had Kyle Rayner as one of the founders. John Stewart was only ever chosen for the cartoon, because, upon becoming Ion, Kyle read the minds of all humans and saw how selfish the vast majority were. With him doing his best for the planet, and yet people could only thing on themselves, felt envy towards their neighbors, harbored ill intent. Kyle left the planet for good and asked John to fill his place in the Justice League, because John Stewart was his closest friend and the person he trusted more above all other candidates. At the same time John only returned to the Corps because Kyle helped him overcome his depression, and get over his guilt. And yet Kyle is pretty much inexistent in that series. What we have is a Hal Jordan that makes art for the Daily planet, with Kyle's name but completely lacking in what makes Kyle a Green lantern

@RedXlV Год назад

I don't know how well they would've been able to pull off the betrayal plotline without Hawkgirl. If it had instead been Aquaman in the League, he would've had to be the traitor but in that case it would be Atlantis vs the surface world. In which case since Aquaman is the *king* of Atlantis, you can't really make him conflicted the way Hawkgirl was since he would've been the one who decided to wage war against humanity in the first place.

@Pikanjo 3 года назад

It was probably the best cover. Shayera seemed shoehorned in as everyone knew Hawkman more so I never questioned anything. She became one of my DC favorites, also unexpected.

@lewis3853 3 года назад

She became, and still is for me. Shoot, I prefer her over Hawkman real talk.

@NostalgicGamerRickOShay 3 года назад

I met her before I ever even heard of Hawkman, so I saw Hawkman as an ugly usurper.

@darwinxavier3516 3 года назад

This twist hit me particularly hard because Hawkgirl was my favorite member of the JL. She was snarky, confident, passionate, and fun. The way she blew up and called out(and beat the snot out of) the Lantern Corp for abandoning one of their own made me really admire her.

@rainmaker9715 Год назад

Now that I think about it…hawk girl really was everything. Like even her aggressive nature paid off. She could talk to any of the league members and have good dialogue.

@TheMsLourdes Год назад

Yeah you know once showing up in, 'In Brightest Day' Parts 1 and 2, Its astounding to me that Shayera never asked around to anyone about Thanagar... not once was she ever curious if she could find a way home... and the GL's I mean if not them then the freaing Guardians of the Universe would have easily known. SO at least three opportunities to show her how to get home and not even a single ask from her or anybody in the league.... YEap big red flag entirely missed at the time... until the christmas episode, then it adds up.

@duckie730 3 года назад

That twist surprised me and I was not expecting it at all. Her story even got more complicated when it was reincarnation in justice league unlimited.

@ChangedMyNameFinally69 3 года назад

@LilHeinz94 He's the genuine article I think, they just were pairing her up with John instead

@michelleann1910 Год назад

That was her original origin back in the Golden Age of comics, which had a Justice Society instead of the Justice League that was invented in the Silver Age. In the Silver Age that Golden Age Hawkgirl was from the Earth 2 reality, while the Silver Age Thanagarian Hawkgirl was from the Earth 1 reality.

@michelleann1910 Год назад

The Golden Age Hawkman and Hawkgirl were Carter Hall and Shiera Saunders, American archeologists who were the present reincarnations of the ancient Egyptian Prince Khufu and his consort Chay-Ara. Their souls were linked magically so that they would always be drawn to each other in each of their many lives throughout history. As you know, the Silver Age characters are instead Katar Hol and Shayera Thal, aliens from the planet Thanagar and no reincarnation is involved. And of course both origin stories have been tweaked repeatedly in all the retcons to the DC universe that have been done in the last 40 years, beginning with Crisis on Infinite Earths in 1985. Wikipedia has a good summary of all this in its article about the Golden Age Hawkman. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawkman_(Carter_Hall) The Wiki article on Katar Hol gives a review of all the retcons Hawkman and Hawkgirl/Hawkwoman have gone through since COIE. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawkman_(Katar_Hol)

@barblake9230 3 года назад

So cool that they used Hawkgirl rather than Hawkman for the show. Ever since I've always wanted more Hawkgirl specific comics and she continues to be one of my favorites :D

@charlesintune 2 года назад

She was the reason I bought Injustice 1. "taste the mace" is still a line I use way too often in my head. So badass..

@jfduug4994 2 года назад

I loved her so much as a kid, still do. She was a fun role model for girls

@DSan-kl2yc 2 года назад

In a perfect world we'd have both. Like in young justice, where they are both utterly wasted. But not in that cartoon, I mean some future one. Justice league was good as is

@bloody4558 Год назад

Not cool, Hawkman doesn't deserve the hate. The guy is constantly ignored in everything.

@Greg12839 Год назад

He was in the show

@wanderlustwarrior 3 года назад

Maria Canals did an amazing performance of the character in general, and really is Hawkgirl/Woman/Shayera/Shiera for me. I wonder if she reflected on the role, or what she thought about the twist at the time, if anything!

@srstriker6420 3 года назад

Yeah she deserves more credit

@ComicDrake 3 года назад

Thank you so much for having me! It's always a pleasure working with y'all!

@skarloey1214 3 года назад

Hi Drake.

@badboi6247 3 года назад

I love crossovers

@srstriker6420 3 года назад

@@badboi6247 you do? well then what do you think about the Flash meeting Sonic the hedgehog?

@adrianvelante8014 3 года назад

Sup Drake

@skarloey1214 3 года назад

@@srstriker6420 I Can't Speak For Bad Boi But That Sounds Awesome To Me.

@edwinstovall3334 3 года назад

Now, let me get this straight: Hawkgirl assumed a Earthian identity, able to do so by ... hiding her natural wings in a KNAPSACK!? WTF??

@thahirshibu5042 3 года назад

That musta hurt those first few weeks.

@TheMsLourdes Год назад

Would have crippled her from flying and been the most uncomfortable thing to wear.. Imagine wearing basically a straight jacket everywhere you go...

@edwinstovall3334 Год назад

Kinda reminds me of the early days of Marvel's X-Men. Warren Worthington III, aka the Avenging Angel, then the Angel, THEN Archangel, wore a restraining harness around his wings while he was maintaining a secret identity. I can't imagine he'd like that either, so that might have figured into his decision to come out.

@chancegoode173 Год назад

Lol I was saying the same thing when I heard that line she assumed an earth Ian identity. That’s kind of hard to do when you have a pair of super long wings on your back

@michaelandreipalon359 6 месяцев назад

Well, breast binders are a thing, so this isn't exactly far-fetched in hindsight.

@oldmanlogan9616 3 года назад

That scene of Flash hugging Shayera always breaks my heart.

@chrisstetsko5020 3 года назад

I miss these old JL cartoons. They were incredible stories.

@StarGazer0352 3 года назад

Considering I was barely a year old when Starcrossed aired, no I did not see the twist coming. Didn't learn about the fake origin either until now. Learn something new everyday

@forastero54321 3 года назад

This was epic back in the days. Left a hole in my little heart.

@anonymous36247 3 года назад

I was a young adult. I'm 39 now. I didn't know about any of this.

@oldmanlogan9616 3 года назад

Yes lol I was 1 year old

@Mary_Studios 4 месяца назад

I was two years old so yeah I didn't know about it either.

@aliciagentile1857 3 года назад

I am glad I am not the only one who cried when she left. Like you said, you just accepted her as part of the team. My sister was extremely upset because Hawkgirl was her favorite. Goes to show you what good writing can do for a show.

@rayvenkman2087 2 года назад

What did she think of her return in Justice League Unlimited?

@aliciagentile1857 2 года назад

@@rayvenkman2087 Estatic. I also liked how they showed her face instead of just wearing her helmet all the time.

@awesomeatronik 3 года назад

Huh I never considered Hawkgirl as a sidekick, her and Hawkman were always together as a team.

@Shadow-kd2ot 3 года назад

thats also how i saw it their stories were always focused on their love for each other

@someonewhocommentsonyoutub3779 3 года назад

"Aired 20 years ago" gee thanks for making me feel old, James.

@dcauwatchtower 3 года назад

It’s only because I AM old

@steelydyl 3 года назад

Really hoping for more Shayera in JL Infinity. First time in my life I’ve ever been this excited for the release of a comic book.

@kingkong9892 3 года назад

Hope they finally show how her and John got back together

@aprilpatlan1539 3 года назад

literally same.

@PhantomObserver 3 года назад

Batman’s first case with Hawkgirl … sounds like something for Batman The Adventures Continue Series 3, doesn’t it?

@srstriker6420 3 года назад

I wish that was true and I guess you have or haven’t seen Tiny Toon Adventures?

@Deoxys911 3 года назад

Sounds like something for that rumored Batman: TAS continuation on HBO Max to me! But maybe they can bring the Penguin's new henchpeople from that comic series in for her episode just to make the Databaes smile.

@caffreydavis218 3 года назад

"Hawkgirl studies Earth's heroes and defenses" Omni-man: "that's cute and all, but unlike you, I brutally murdered our version of the Justice League."

@JayJayM57 3 года назад

but unlike him, she succeeded in her invasion.

@deadmagenta7042 3 года назад

Ah but he just moved his goalposts.

@JayJayM57 3 года назад

@@deadmagenta7042 spoilers He gave up on conquering earth and will try to offer another planet. He couldn't bring himself to kill his son.

@deadmagenta7042 3 года назад

@@JayJayM57 I've read ahead already lol.

@silverdays2909 2 года назад

@@JayJayM57 so basically he gave up half way unlike Hawkgirl who helped the League after they lost

@zerodiamond4206 Год назад

I finished Justice League last night and there's been subtle hints since Episode 1. I think Comfort and Joy was the biggest giveaway when she and John went to "a planet she would go to celebrate on when she was on Thanaguard." You would think she would know how to get back to Thanaguard if she's been there and back multiple times

@doctorcardio1559 3 месяца назад

Awesome obersavion.

@camerongrow6426 3 года назад

I remember reading Hawkgirl's fake origin in a comic or some other kids' magazine when I was little. It broke my heart when I found out she betrayed the League

@macmay3042 3 года назад

Rainbow Robbers: Hardened criminals who exclusively steal pots of gold from leprechauns.

@kwayneboy1524 3 года назад

Please tell this is true.

@kronemerj 3 года назад

Given the dc universe it probably could be....

@dr.calibrations7984 3 года назад

Does that REALLY make them villians though?

@omnientertainment5852 3 года назад

I thought they were talking about a certain group...lol i kid i kid.

@KnightVision68 3 года назад

Dude! The reveal hit me and all 7 of my siblings like a ton of bricks. That was the thing about Justice League I loved. It got 8 kids ranging from age 18 to 4 to sit down and watch it together with no complaints.

@bortmaximus 3 года назад

My favorite bit of trivia dialog is how Shayera could *regularly* beat Batman at chess.

@bobtherandomguy805 3 года назад

ComicDrake makes a really good Bruce Timm Rich Fogel and Dan Riba on the other hand do a decent job as Rich Fogel and Dan Riba

@skarloey1214 3 года назад

They Should Have Had Rich Play Dan And Dan Play Rich That Would Have Made More Sense.

@questions2493 3 года назад

Dude don't I know it I was a kid like 7 when I saw Starcrossed and I jumped when she psyched Jon and was in such disbelief and I cried when she left too it doesn't help that Alfred said his final lines in the show and they were so heartwarming

@TheInkTank 3 года назад

Great video! Was always curious about the story of this reveal but haven't had time to give JL a watch-through yet.

@dcauwatchtower 3 года назад

Oooooo boi you spoiled it for yaself! Ya gotta watch it!

@stefansauvageonwhat-a-twis1369 3 года назад

You guys here too? Wow

@michaelrhett4958 3 года назад

Hi ink tank!!!

@VunderGuy 2 года назад

Please watch Justice League! And the rest of the DCAU! You'll appreciate the origins of Ben 10 a lot better since Ben 10 can trace it's lineage all the way back to it and appreciate how much better even okay episodes are than the slightly above average doggerel that is the Ben 10 franchise at its best!

@randomanimations2591 8 месяцев назад

Love how the snake person in the fake backstory also has Lex’s face and head shape cause he’s also a snake gahlee when you let artists have fun they can do some stuff that’ll tickle the brain just right

@jazzmyn5804 3 года назад

20:19 My biggest question was how did she hide her wings if she had a civilian identity. Thank you for answering that important question

@srstriker6420 3 года назад

Yeah I wish we could have seen that before Starcrossed but we don’t or even meeting Batman before the Justice league

@monicadoe9760 3 года назад

I read thanagarians have pills to transfigurate their bodies. I guess that's the solution.

@Mr_Yod 2 года назад

@@monicadoe9760 It depends on the continuity, I think: I often saw them removing their wings in comics, so in those cases they are only some sort of bionic "implant" (that's not implanted).

@dariakey5318 2 года назад

@@Mr_Yod i guess Shayera'e wings were pretty much real in the cartoon, unlike Katar's. At least, she felt pain when got hit with the spike in last episodes of unlimited. And she had her wings "on" even for a date. Anyway, I love to think that hee wings are natural 😆

@Mr_Yod 2 года назад

@@dariakey5318 Yes: in the cartoon they are real.

@aurahoneydew9607 3 года назад

Meanwhile in a parallel universe the DCAU instead went the tower of babel route.

@srstriker6420 3 года назад

Yeah imagine if Batman did do it, I guess that he and Hawkgirl both get kicked out of the league

@brunofernandes3298 3 года назад

Hawkgirl and Martian Manhunter are my favourite heroes EVER. Love them

@arjunwali9885 3 года назад

Easily one of the best characters in the show. While she did betray earth, she thought it was to save Thanagar. IMMEDIATELY when she realized that Thanagar planned to destroy the planet, she turned on her homeworld to save humanity.

@JaretOnYoutube 3 года назад

So that’s who voiced Hawk-Girl. I knew her voice was familiar.

@Akursedtime 11 месяцев назад

Its sad that Hawkgirl in current form of movies and cartoon is regulated to background character when she was in Justice League/Unlimited a fan favourite. The fact that she had the most overarching plot and character development showed that the writers put a lot of effort in her as a whole. DC forgot they could have pushed Hawkgirl into the mainstream after the cartoon ended.

@DiplomaTIC5 3 года назад

I watched the entire show a few years ago as an adult and it made John Stewart my favorite hero… so yes I still get misty eyed when I see that scene in Starcrossed

@chcltroses 2 года назад

I thought this was an amazing reveal. I loved her because she was basically the opposite of Wonder Woman. I was kinda glad there was another woman in Justice league, I just wonder why they never thought to add her to the live movies

@Snowy84557 3 года назад

I didn't predict she was a spy but as a kid I called her transport beam story ridiculous and claimed to other kids at school that she must be lying. They were like "why would she lie?" and the consensus was 'bad story writing' until we saw the twist and learnt why she had been lying.

@ashleytuchin7693 3 года назад

I vaguely remember reading about the fake origin years ago, but I didn't realise the conspiracy ran so deep. Thanks for breaking it all down for us!

@the1withthepen 3 года назад

If my math is accurate, Hawkgirl and Batman's initial meeting would take place around the "Lost Years" era of DCAU Batman lore. Would have been / might be an interesting thing to explore in the "Adventures Continue" comic if the writers of "Season Two" want to take another swing at that mostly unexplored point in time.

@dcauwatchtower 3 года назад

Yep! 1997, DCAU time.

@dcauwatchtower 3 года назад

Well, that’s when she got to Earth, anyway.

@savvassavvides6681 3 года назад

HawkGirl did what Omni-man did before it was cool..

@allanthomaz2260 3 года назад

Actually, Invincible did It first, Invincible Issue 7 is from December 2003(This is this the Issue when OmniMan betrays the Guardians), Starcrossed is from May 2004

@Shadow-kd2ot 3 года назад

@@allanthomaz2260 starcrossed is based on the invasion comic from the 80s so checkmate

@allanthomaz2260 3 года назад

@@Shadow-kd2ot Huh... Im not sure If you didn't read the Invasion comics or you have no Idea what are we talking about, maybe both.

@DungNguyen-qy3yz 3 года назад

I love it when decades later people still talk about the JL serie. Talk about greatness!

@The_Bird_Bird_Harder 2 года назад

Indeed! I was born 3 years after it first aired and it still defined my childhood!

@Enigamis 3 года назад

When I was a kid I missed the star crossed episode and jumped into unlimited and was very confused as to where hawk girl went. When I recently rewatched it all I was pretty suprised on the twist, so even after 2 decades it was still a good twist.

@cjarmon76 3 года назад

Hawkgirl’s arc was a perfect way to close Justice League to me. Like you said in the video, her whole story arc was very much a well done surprise. I definitely didn’t see it coming, but loved it when it played out! The writers did her storyline justice by making her well-liked before having her “betray” the league, and still giving the audience a reason to sympathize with her. It was, in my very humble opinion, the best overall “movie” associated with the Justice League outside of the Cadmus arc.

@ricardomiles2957 3 года назад

I didn't even knew that she was comic book character back then thought she was created for the show. Which completely undermined every encounter I have with the character in any other media because she's so incredibly cool in the cartoon and has such development that I'm yet to see a version of her that gets even close

@pauldesigncomics2625 Год назад

She was also in Superfriends series back in the 80s

@Unchainedful Год назад

The reason why you don’t see that version of Hawk Girl is because it’s against her lore and behavior. I love Justice League’s Hawkgirl, but Hawkgirl is destined without her questioning or going against it, to be in love and with Hawkman. The closest they got real Hawkgirl in personality was DC Legends of Tomorrow, where she fell in love with Atom, but Hawkman returned and her destined emotions towards Hawkman overwhelmed her love towards Atom and had to leave the group and leave Atom so she can continue her destiny.

@douglashawk Год назад

Check out Hawkman vol 2 issue 6. It's one of my favorite comic covers. Hawkwoman takes on Lionmane by herself.

@pauocampo4666 3 года назад

‘ I love how we’re talking about hawkgirl more and more cuz honestly she’s my favorite character and she’s the one who got me hooked in the Justice League franchise

@zaviermichael6281 3 года назад

1:20 haven’t even gotten 2 minutes in and this is my favorite joke

@oliindacut 3 года назад

Thought i was the only one who caught that😭

@JuggoJuggo 3 года назад

Fooling Batman is one thing, but fooling Martian Manhunter and the real Dr Fate is astounding.

@aaronfrey4418 2 года назад

Hawkgirl from the DCAU is the best. Great story, great twist, and great voice acting. That farewell scene makes me cry every time. And I still remember being so excited when she removed her helmet for the first time and when she and John kissed.

@kwayneboy1524 3 года назад

I think it would've been cool if Batman teamed up with Hawkgirl to stop Gentlemen Ghost who was robbing Gotham's wealthiest.

@srstriker6420 3 года назад

Yeah

@srstriker6420 3 года назад

I guess you haven’t seen Tiny Toon Adventures where they did do a parody on DC comics?

@kwayneboy1524 3 года назад

@@srstriker6420 what do you mean?

@srstriker6420 3 года назад

@@kwayneboy1524 oh you haven’t seen Tiny Toon Adventures?

@SDPines913 3 года назад

Hawkgirl/Shayera was always one of my favorites since I was younger. Growing up watching the show, it gutted me when she betrayed the league and it was the first time I was exposed to a story like that and felt those emotions. I got emotional at the end of Starcrossed and as well eventually when she returned in Unlimited. Glad to see someone talk more in depth about this because she doesn’t get enough love or recognition. She is one of the best heroes, most well written character, and integral character in the DCAU.

@PShawtx Год назад

Being able to fool Batman is really saying something. It puts his worlds greatest detective title in question. LOL !

@Merennulli 3 года назад

It honestly struck me as a spur of the moment "Let's make this character betray everyone!" story idea, not something planned. We had seen Superman one day happen to be brainwashed by Darkseid, and plenty of other stories had these sorts of twists thrown in with no foreshadowing at all, so I never expected the writers knew prior to drafting the episode itself. I'm impressed that they went so far into making her a beloved, 3-dimensional and integral character while knowing the whole time they were going to do this. The twist itself was cliche, but they humanized it so well afterward with her withdrawal afterwards and slow reintegration rather than Superman's "nothing will ever be the same...for about 3 random episodes but everything will be the same otherwise" after his mind control. (Don't get me wrong, I liked when Superman dealt with it, but JLU dealing with Hawkgirl's betrayal was miles better.)

@prometheusmodelow8322 2 года назад

Yeah with Superman it felt like it didin't matter but i think it's because the show was meant to have more seasons showing what happened after Legacy, but alas, that never happened and we skipped to after he regained the public's trust in JL.

@Merennulli 2 года назад

@@prometheusmodelow8322 I really like where they went with Cadmus in JLU. They made the Justice Lords the central argument for it instead, but in some respects it did give us the consequences we were missing from Darkseid's mind control and did explicitly reference that as the origin of the project (even if that was just a throwaway line). And they did a good job of showing Cadmus wasn't entirely wrong with the JLU. They gave us a version of Green Arrow that gave voice to why blind anti-authoritarianism isn't good but also that "trust us, we're the good guys" isn't a safe thing to accept when immense power is involved. It's a nuance we rarely get to see in media.

@lilhypnotique Год назад

@@Merennulli When one of your team mates has a whole contingency plan for “we the good guys, trust us” side, you would think there would be some discussion in that.

@Merennulli Год назад

@@lilhypnotique Which did you mean? Batman's leaked contingency plan or Cadmus's plan?

@lilhypnotique Год назад

@@Merennulli Batman leaked contingency plan. When you have a whole kryptonite bullet ready to shoot into Supe’s heart, I think a conversation needs to be had.

@dusanstojsin4938 3 года назад

I heard something about this on J's Reviews' review of Starcrossed, but it's nice to know the details of this.

@tawesssoabbox 3 года назад

Yeah this was a great twist.But then again the JL and JLU shows did get a lot of stuff right. That Superman bit about a world made of cardboard still gives me chills.

@glenwaldrop8166 3 года назад

I started my youngest on Teen Titans (the real one, not the atrocity that came later) and Justice League when she was a little over a year old. She was probably 2 and a half by the time we got to Starcrossed. She was pretty upset that Shayera had betrayed everyone. I did *not* expect that out of a not-quite-three-year-old. Justice League, Teen Titans and Samurai Jack are in a pretty steady rotation. Thankfully she prefers those shows to silly kid shows on most days.

@nunyabiznes33 3 года назад

It seems it's innately human to be upset at betrayals.

@jonwooldridge3766 3 года назад

I didn't see that coming. Hawkgirl/woman has always been a favorite of mine, so naturally when this video came across my feed I locked on to it. Thanks for the info.

@DDarkestKnight 3 года назад

I didn't know about the fake backstory. Which is funny cause I was trying to explain to someone Hawkgirl's origins and it was about as complicated as explaining Donna Troy and Poison Ivy

@DDarkestKnight 3 года назад

@Will N Ok. How do I explain nth metal? Like it's always in their stories?

@DDarkestKnight 3 года назад

@Will N Butters: Ow. That hurt my brains.

@DDarkestKnight 3 года назад

@Will N i thought I knew _some_ of this. But I was too focused on the meta BTS scene stuff and now I realize I know NOTHING!

@allstardawn6062 3 года назад

@Will N Holy Comic Book contrivances Batman!!

@WindsorMason Год назад

@@DDarkestKnightthe comments that you guys replied to are gone. Do you remember what they were?

@KenS1267 3 года назад

The DCAU is how to do "I don't even know what to call it" right. They created numerous characters that people now consider fixtures of DC comics, Harley Quinn we're looking at you, but the Hawkgirl arc was amazing. They took their viewers seriously enough to have such a story in the series at all. I was an adult when B:TAS and the rest started so the more complicated and nuanced plots were what kept me with it for the decade or so the various shows were on air.

@batsignal3469 3 года назад

Hawkgirl is one of the best iteration of the character!

@lycanthis9963 3 года назад

I feel Hawkgirl is one of the most underrated characters in DC.

@monicadoe9760 3 года назад

I know it! She was so ahead of her time 😍

@srstriker6420 3 года назад

Absolutely because she could have been more useful in the Snyder cut

@allstardawn6062 3 года назад

Her along with Vixen Huntress and Black Canary

@jfduug4994 2 года назад

She IS and it stings

@srstriker6420 2 года назад

@@jfduug4994 don’t you mean it’s stinks?

@AlejandroMorales-zj9sl 2 года назад

Hawkgirl is so underused these days, I miss her so much!! She is one of the most powerful, well-written and intriguing characters in DCAU. She was placed back on her 'side kick' shelf in Young Justice with no speaking lines.

@blackpinkonly3242 9 месяцев назад

for real

@joykwansiri1767 3 года назад

First time watching your video channel, this really bring back my childhood, that time I was 12 just like you too, I'm really happy that someone still love this show, now I'm grown up and have a job, and now I realise that this wasn’t a kids show. It was an adult show in a kids format.

@dcauwatchtower 3 года назад

Welcome! We’ve got hundreds of other videos to help take you back too!

@CorpusSans 2 года назад

As kids, my younger brother was such a big fan of Hawkgirl. I can still remember his reactions when the betrayal was played out.

@iam_kaution 3 года назад

When I was a kid that actually blew me away I had to be home to see that movie. Such an amazing time to be alive man such an amazing twist I'll definitely be watching it over again sometime soon.

@BovineDesigns 3 года назад

I love how much research you guys do on these, when it comes to editing i always get hung up on trying to find the right visual aid.

@lewis3853 3 года назад

1:20 (…right visual aid)

@BovineDesigns 2 года назад

@@lewis3853 exactly!

@LordRavensong 3 года назад

I had that coloring book growing up. In fact it might be down the hall from me...

@breadyboi9444 3 года назад

down the... hol?

@GoddamnGemini 3 года назад

I had no clue about her being a spy, and wasn't exactly aware of her fake origin. I guess I didn't pay attention. Also, my personal DCAU Tearjerker is the beginning of Batman Beyond, Bruce's last fight as Batman. Close second ex-aequo are from Mask of the Phantasm: "I didn't count on being happy" and Bruce finding the medallion in the Batcave.

@skullninjaraptor 3 года назад

This is Awesome! Shayera is my wife's favorite. she has a large model of her hanging above her desk. :)

@KSCGGuy14 3 года назад

Hawkgirls arc in the DCAU was fantastic. I never watched Starcrossed when it came out in 2004 but I'm sure many of you reading this comment of mine probably didn’t see her betrayal coming.

@s-link9400 3 года назад

When i first saw the episode Starcrossed i was shocked about Hawkgirl being a spy, but it does line up with all of the hints given in season 2. Also her being transported to earth always reminded me a bit of Martian Manhunters origin story.

@isurehopenoonefindsthisyou8355 2 года назад

@12:08 Someone needs to betray the team "WELL IT CERTAINLY CAN'T BE GREEN LANTERN" XD

@cyrillkiyschenko8697 3 года назад

Yeah. Hawkgirl is cool. One of the most cooliest girls in DC.

@srstriker6420 3 года назад

I agree

@NoahEurich 3 года назад

You’re production and editing skills just keep getting better and I am all for it.

@Deception975 3 года назад

This made me chuckle, lol. *me reading something on my phone* *Comic Drake starts talking* Me: "Wait, a minute. That's Comic Drake, not Bruce Timm"

@paulstrathern4309 3 года назад

@ 0:29 'When it premiered 20 years ago...' --------- JESUS! Has it been THAT long?! I'm old as fck!

@vidaenagonia-cl 3 года назад

I think that Paul Levitz was just looking arond him and what was going on in best sellers titles like The Authority,Ultimate X Men, WildCats or the such where there was always the "Is this guy a traitor?" plot

@shaden6157 3 года назад

Ok I'm just glad we got some explanation on how she hid her wings

@Rougesteelproject 3 года назад

That commercial narrated by Optimus Prime, tho.

@andrewcozzini8259 2 года назад

Wow, what a really deep dive into THE twist of JL! I have to say, remembering how you guys used to make these sorts of videos, ot really shows how the channel's grown and come along. It's so nice to hear you be able to "splice" (See what I did there?, 🤭) in bits of audio from all the creators/cast you've interviewed when you make a given assertion. It makes your videos come off as all that more official and less guesstimate-y. You are truly becoming THE Watchtower Database, like for real! Always exciting to see you guys do well; keep it up!

@matthewhecht9257 3 года назад

I am proud of myself for recognizing all those JSA comic excerpts.

@miketoast6329 3 года назад

Had no clue and it blew my little mind. Revisiting the series now, it still is a shocker when you finish season 2

@antwan1357 3 года назад

The main consistency is the fact she comes from a race of warriors and warriors are known for viewing everyone else as potential conquests and part of that is being able to size everyone and everything up for conquest. She is doing exactly what a xenophobic warrior race would do. Only now it is more realistic. Surprisingly wonder woman , doesn't have this background.

@RLSmith-jt8qj 3 года назад

Which is why she's wonder woman

@michaelnoga3737 3 года назад

The saddest moment in the DCAU is any time someone doesn’t feed the algorithm beast...

@chainsawbarbarian 3 года назад

Man I just loved the Justice League Unlimited show so so much! I'd love to ha e these on DVD again. Sigh

@scarletred616 3 года назад

I grew up with jl and jlu wished she was in the main lineup instead of cyborg on the live action

@FoolishPrince 3 года назад

Agreed, would have been much better: visually and story wise.

@srstriker6420 3 года назад

That’s what I was thinking

@RedwoodTheElf 3 года назад

So she was Omni Man before Invincible? Cool.

@legendarydirtx717dark5 3 года назад

No, the Invincible comics came before the Justice league unlimited episode where she betrayed the Justice League

@Shadow-kd2ot 3 года назад

@@legendarydirtx717dark5 starcrossed is based on 1980s arc called invasion

@legendarydirtx717dark5 3 года назад

@@Shadow-kd2ot yeah I just saying

@lewis3853 3 года назад

Tell me having Scarlett Johansson play a live action version of THIS Hawkgirl wasn’t the biggest missed opportunity. She legit looks like she was animated from how she looks as Black Widow.

@ndo533 3 года назад

She almost even sounds like her

@chcltroses 2 года назад

hmm. I could see it. I always thought Black Widow was a blonde, maybe I have her confused with black Canary

@jeppeaksrensen8316 2 года назад

I did a bit of googling after watching this vid and have found that Hawkgirl hs actually, pretty consistently, been portrayed by latinas. I found this funny because i never saw her as that but Hey i saw her as an alien so whatever lol.

@lewis3853 2 года назад

@@jeppeaksrensen8316 NOO! It doesn’t look the same. ScarJo is her.

@jeffdavis8590 Год назад

I only knew bits and pieces of the fake origin, and while I didn't know she was a spy or traitor, I did think she was hiding a big secret that would be revealed at some point. As you pointed out there were things that didn't add up. I was guessing more along the lines of her being exiled or a criminal on the run from her own people.

@JariahxSynn 3 года назад

Oh my god, Hawkgirl x GL romance destroyed my soul, when I was 12. Even today, being 30, thinking about it ruins me. Damn you DCAU having good writing and solid characters and one of the best romances EVER! I need to cry...