It comes to show now that Juve shouldn't have sacked Pirlo and backed him. They are constantly doing bad and fishy transfers and it's coming to haunt them. Like who swaps Cancelo for Danilo doesn't makes sense.
Pirlo if you look at everything with context actually did a good job, he did a good job despite his awful luck with bad finishing and individual errors. Like his tactics and idea of football were good, sacking him was ridiculous
All he’s ever been is a ego manager. He’s never been an elite tactician like a Guardiola, Klopp or even Mourinho. He took the team that Conte built and all he had to do was manage the players. Now that his team is significantly less experienced and lacking in talent vs his first stint, he’s struggling. He’s like a poor man’s Ancelotti except Ancelotti knows how to adapt his tactics over time . You can’t win consistently with a team that just sits deep and looks for counter attacks. Looking back, Pirlo was actually the best option. Only problem was his lack of experience
@@thoriqakbar My bad 😂😂. I’m a Madrid fan but i was just making a comparison that both of them are mostly known for their man management skills. Ancelotti is much superior tho and actually has tactics
Juve died with the signing of Ronaldo, not because of his performances on the pitch, but because juve probably overestimated their financial power when they signed him. Before ronaldo every signing seemed to work, even the 60 year olds on a free like Khedira and lichtsteiner. After Ronaldo it seems like nearly every player they sign is a flop. It’s also not talked about enough how at one point they had cancelo and had to swap him for Danilo. Or how they and Barca probably committed some financial crimes with their Arthur and pjanic swap deal 😂😭
Ronaldo case is mostly because no one expecting a Pandemic anytime soon tho. That's not anyone's fault for sure. But it sure make a big dent on the financial side
@rabonaTv. That 4th position of pirlo has to be contextualised a bit.that season was an exceptional one having the entire top resurrected having almost all their best season in a decade. Napoli ending on a 5th spot with 76 points is even a record for serie A, making getting top 4 exceptionally tough and expensive that year. To put that in context, allegri debut first time where roma ended second with 73 points! That would land you in 6th position in pirlo's year. Lazio ended 5th last year with 63 points,a whooping 13 points less. In analyses its often overlooked pinning pirlo he barely made the top 4,while in reality as a debutant he faced tougher competition juve had in an entire decade.his season was not great true. But for a debutant with those conditions it was also not as disastrous as many believe it was
As a Tottenham fan, Paratici bringing in Rodrigo Bentancur and Dejan Kulusevski from Juventus has been working wonders for Spurs. I recall Juve fans hating Bentancur but being somewhat upset to see Kulusevski leave. I wonder if they’d want them back now, at least Kulusevski is a loan but Spurs will make that permanent if Conte stays. Juventus are just a mess right now, I do hope they start to show signs of improvement under Allegri
From a Juve fan, Bentancur is probably the last on my personal "you can leave" list, tbh we have more garbage player who deserve to leave more than him.
I think Bentancur does his job well but Juventus wanted him to be more complete as to stay competitive and theres was pressure on him. Tbh Rabiot would have been better in the Premiere league and would have looked like a chad at Spurs imho. Some may disagree but despite his looks he is physically strong and a good carrier of the ball in transitions - just lost on the final ball. He's rarely injured but he plays rough and might injure in practice. Sarri called him quiet too, Conte could mold him.
I'll always be upset at Juve for how they handled Pirlo, you can't give a brand new manager an opportunity to sack him immediately, it seems unfair that Allegri gets all this "project" talk, yet Pirlo wasn't given a fair chance, he's an italian legend, they disrespected him.
Never understood how a team like juve can claim that narrow wins are a "winning mentality" and how they are proud of their DNA being horrible football... that's not a winning mentality thats fighting for dear life for no reason. Defensive football doesn't fly anymore, teams aren't afraid to attack "bigger" teams and try to get a result, the game has much evolved, if juve don't figure that out it doesn’t look to good. No player comes to a game and thinks to himself "oh boy, can't wait to win 1:0 against this relegation battling team and sit back all game after 10 minutes of scoring the first goal..." props to the fans who come to the stadium to watch that. You see teams like Bayern, Barca, Real, City, winning games easily by 3-0, 4-0,5-0 and than you start watching your team scrape by, meanwhile you claim you're the biggest club in the country...
As a lifelong Juventino, first of all I must say your analysis has been perfect. If I could I would sack him straight away, he is a midtable manager at best. I know that sacking him would damage the finances of the club, but remember that not making the champions league next season would hurt too. As to who I would bring in, I would love to see a long term project coach such as Klopp, otherwise I would bring in Zidane, a club legend like him would be backed in everything by the club. I would've also appreciated De Zerbi but well, he's gone to Brighton.
People always name Zidane, just because he is free doesn't mean he want the job, he was the first name at Man United, Chelsea and PSG, rejected all of those. Clearly he wants the France national team
Typical story in Italy: look at success in other countries (hey look, youth manager Guardiola was a success! Let’s see if lightning strikes twice with Pirlo! Hey look, tiki taka works for Spain, let’s try that!) Then the results aren’t exactly the same so we scrap everything and starts from 0. No identity. No vision.
As die hard juventus fan, sacking allegri is the best restart button. Your analysis is well on point. It almost two season clueless again under allegri. Our transfer almost everytime disappointed. Our squad lacking full back for years, our squad lack depths, our midfield lack technical abilities, our winger also very weak. Even worst allegri dont even know what position he want to play, with player he have for almost two season. Atleast pirlo know way he want to play with player they have. I hope we dont sign expensive foreign coach for juve. I believe gasperini at this moment, a coach for us. He is our former youth coach and youth player.
Conte built the foundation that Allegri turned into sustainability. Re-hiring Allegri to rebuild a new foundation was the mistake. And Juve will suffer until they find someone who can build the next generation from the ground up.
As a Napoli fan, I am all aboard the #AllegeriIn train 😂😂. In all seriousness though, Juve should not have sacked Pirlo. Yes it took him a while to get going but toward the end of his time there the team had clearly started to play very well. In Allegri's defense though, his teams do tend to start slow and improve over the season (last seaon was similar too). So will they get better under Allegri? I think undoubtedly the answer is 'yes'. However, they would probably improve even more under a more modern manager.
Great take on this. As a Juventino, and an Allegri supporter, I think its time for him to go as well. However, I do not see it happening yet. Covering this team has been a bit depressing at times.
Was looking forward to this despite being a Juventus fan. The pain hurts, still think Allegri can turn it around for too 4 once Chiesa/Pogba are healthy
@@JamailvanWestering not even that. Serie A managers would easily expolit gegenpress and the amount of money needed to make that team how tuchel would want it would lead us to go bankrupt so it would end up being a torrid hybird similar to gasperini time at inter.
I think that if Juventus stayed with Sarri for one more year, then Pirlo could be better and maybe achieve something. We should have appointed Pocchetino instead of Allergi. I hate the Juventus tradition of coming back for what you know instead of searching for something new. In my opinion, that is the key problem with Allegri and Juventus in the past years
Juventus fan here since decades. During Allegri 1.0 his ability to take Conte's XI / Roster and make it his own with little changes (during his first season) and win the double + reach CL final, was a magnificent achievement. Going on to win 3 more back to back double + reach one more CL final, was also impressive in high-sight. But the squad has moved on and changed since then. So has football, as you said in the video. Allegri is very stubborn and has his own ultra-conservative-footballing philosophy: To win the game, with minimal forward moving effort. Have a quality striker, pass him the ball at the right moment, but don't make yourself too tired when doing so. Score it. Ok great, now let's defend and complete this game in the lead, till 90 minutes. Don't get too tired, and don't make mistakes. Just shutdown your opponent. Don't try to score more. You will risk fatigue + injury, I need you to play for the next match. This is Allegri 2.0 in a nutshell. And it's horrible. Again I don't hate the guy, but I'm tired of watching this constant shitshow of a performance. As I write this, Allegri has briefly turned things around after the Torino, Verona, Lazio wins. I'll re-visit my comment after the World Cup, and the league resumes. I feel Juventus will "breifly" continue their good spell, but it will go back to shit soon. His approach and philosophy is not sustainable in modern football, and attack-oriented and high pressing teams will bring him back down to earth. I'm a defensive minded player myself, and I will admit: Catenaccio / Defense in modern football is the losing battle. You must have a complete squad with solid foundations in all areas GK-Defense-Mid-Attack. The arena is extremely competitive- whether in Italy, Premier League, La Liga or CL ...even in this World Cup.
Paratici allegri and agnelli are equally to blame. Signings were made without a clear philosophy in mind. Last season we had the following box to box midfielders- rabiot ramsay mckennie locatelli bentancur zakaria on high salaries. A defence that who has cuadrado bremer and pellegrini who can play a high line but de sciglio alex sandro rugani and bonucci who cannot. Three goalkeepers in perin sczcecny and pinsoglio who are awful at playing with their feet. We only have one adept central forward in vlahovic and wingers who play counter attacking football. Instead of signing ronaldo vlahovic and chiesa we could have used that money to totally revamp the team whilst also hiring an elite manager with a clear strategy cough cough antonio conte. Also adrian is Juventus starting eleven really top 3 material? I would suggest if you did a player by player comparison roma inter and milan are above with lazio and napoli completely wiping the floor with our midfield.
I try to understand Agnelli, he wants beautiful football. that's why in 2019 they brought in sarri, and after juventus sacked him there was news that juventus wanted pep guardiola but instead guardiola extended his contract. Juve were forced to choose Pirlo and Allegri, in my opinion the choice fell not because they wanted to make a project with Allegri but because Allegri already knew the Juventus culture they didn't want to take the risk of bringing in a coach who didn't know the Juventus culture. I'm pretty sure they're waiting for guardianola, it's very clear that a lot of top coaches are out but Juventus are not interested in them. Even zidane once said that he only wanted to coach the French NT or Juventus, but there was never a response from Juventus.
If he stays, the team is headed for a downward spiral and they'll bleed money. If they bring someone new, at least they have a chance at doing well and getting champion's league money, which can help to mitigate the costs of paying Allegri's salary once sacked
Love your video´s! can you make one about the Belgium national team they have such good players but never seem to win anything how so and whats next for them seeing Hazard, De Bruyne, Verthongen, and Alderweireld etc... are all getting older and are at the final half of their carreers?
Juventus fitness and training staff cannot go without blame. So many injured players, players who get injured soon after recovering, players with recurring injuries. Juve’s energy bar falls into red by the 60th minute. Not good.
Juve is just sad under Allegri, I hoped his brand of football at least got results... but no, it's boring to look at and it's not working to get results... at least Pirlo wanted to play a prettier brand of football
Imo the one they should have stuck with was sarri. It's true that his juve was not the most appealing, but i am quite confident that the next season the team would have adapted to his game a lot better and it's not like the current juve is anything to write home about. If i remember correctly the deal-breaker was the relationship between sarri and ronaldo, but in hindsight the board should have backed the manager instead of going for the potuguese primadonna.
Good video but that last part you saying in fact Juve have the top 3 squad in serie A is quite an angled statement. It is when all the player are available but it never happened this season.
Football is literally fucked outside of the top 6 in the Prem... Leicester need to sack Rodgers, but can't afford to. Juve need to sack Allegri, but can't afford to. Never known a situation like it
I was thinking the same Brother. I was wondering how some RU-vid Arsenal podcaster were berating Arsenal for choosing Arteta over an "experienced" Allegri. My Gosh there was a big clamour for this dude thank god we dodged a damaging bullet.
The moment that AC Milan and Inter start showing their fangs, and not having financial issues, Juve loses... In my country we have a saying, "In a country of blind people, the one that has one eye is King", this has been juve for the last decades, winning against no visible opposition...
17:04 finally, completely agreed to this. Even the widely known as a "complete rookie", Pirlo's stats (both per match qualities and final achievements) as Juve's coach were far better from Allegri's 2nd stint in Juve.
Happy for that video as a juventino and also don't belittle yourself you're not just the best football channel that is run by a canadian benfica supporter named adrian... You're definitely the best football channel that is run by a canadian benfica supporter!!! Lmao nah fr you're by far my favorite football guy on the internet
For the last 10 years juve have played anti football and only won games with luck and because of the fact their players were simply better. Napoli is clear and always have been
not only they play defensively, their footballing strategy is also very very suspicious. like, the only thing they learn from calciopoli is to hide their shady dealings better. they keep doing suspicious stuff nonetheless
I Agree with your final conclusions . Indeed Alegri knew about Juve but his on field approaches very outdated . Not sure if Juve can put Allegri just as "Rebuild project manager" then get another coach for taking over daily training- locker room and game matches ?
They fired Sarri for a youth couch that got his ideas from playing fifa fire the same guy appoint a guy they just fired 2 season's before what did they expect
Pirlo did a good job for a “youth coach that got his ideas from playing fifa”. I’m surprised at how shocking the knowledge is amongst these casual fans
Arrivabene is the CEO of Juve??? What?! I only knew him as the Ferrari Team Principal in Formula 1 from 2015 to 2018. Didn't know he had a hand in football, although both Juve and Ferrari are strongly linked by the Fiat group and Agnelli family.
Well its because of poor strategy... They didn't sign players according to manager. They signed players according to hype. Arthur, Danilo, di maria, kostic all are out of order signings. Di maria and Kostic would thrive in a counter attacking team not in a defensive team. Yet they signed them without any vision. On the other hand, Ronaldo project failed as well because he wasn't part of their philosophy. He was carrying this team as well as ruining it. Also, don't you think clubs have become impatient in the second decade of this century. Sacking managers has become a trend. If pirlo was given time he would have made a great team,just like how arteta, klopp, mourinho did. So much for juve being in European super team, now they can't even beat monza...
Pirlo is the new beginning. I also believe ronaldo would not behave like he did if pirlo have 2nd season. ( just literally saying that allegri bring negative influences) Aint nobody want to play under allegri, ronaldo the one that make allegri sacked in the first place. His tactical like having ferrari but drive in reverse.
Allegri does deserve some of the blame you can point to the squad selection or the predisposition towards picking certain players who maybe underperforming. In term of my opinion juventus transfer strategy over the last 3 years has been apocalyptic they have allowed the squad to age and being unable to replace key players who have become ineffective due to their age. it nothing new to juventus either the last decade they always managed to replace key players with quality the standard still remained high. in addition the squad really isn't that great it is just names mostly look past the perception you have a defence which is drastic need of two young dynamic fullbacks you have rugani and bonucci who seem to have lost all the fight in them than you get to the midfield honestly i will not get why zakaria was barely tried before being shipped out and to replace him they get paredes a player who is past his peak. they completely lack creativity as well no one seems capable of supplying the strikers with a decent pass. attack as well for a team which is supposed to utilise wingers you have chiesa out with a long term injury, di maria who is heading in the final years of his career and kostic who actually has been surprisingly decent. Still being that the season has a two month break in less than a month you never know they recover some players they work on new tactics they might be able to improve.
What project? To play dire football and bring old high wage players. Mans a tactical dinosaur, should never have got him back. Should never have changed the badge either, the new one is horrid
I'm glad I'm not a Juve fan but I would be furious with Allegri. I still he has the best team, even with the injuries. Sometimes you lose tight games, but they mostly look pretty ordinary. Vlahovic should be netting 25 goals in a season, but he's not using him properly.
"With Juve losing 2-1 at home against Benfica, and leaving them Pointless in their CL group", you are completely right Adrien, Juve are Pointless in this CL group ;)
We trained all pre-season to play 4-3-3. Cuadrado is no Di Maria. Di Maria is a must to have a playmaker. Miretti is no Pogba. Pogba is a must to have a goal-threatening midfield. Kostic is no Chiesa. Chiesa is a must to have dangerous quick counter attacks. The conclusion is that Juventus reserves cannot replace our most important players, as they do not have similar attributes and strengths.
We dont have player to play 4 3 3. Yes we dont have squad depth, kostic and bremer is 3 5 2 player. Cuadrado is aging and right back at best just like later valencia at united or jesus navas now. We should not consider them winger anymore. Danilo, i respect his passion, but he is not right back or even centre back, squad player at best. Alex sandro not at his best since 2019, we dont have proper backup, as we rely on allegri favorite son at left back. Miretti have potential, but why let rovella go? Where is fagioli and soule.. both need more minute. Paredes is decent signing for true regista. Rabiot also like danilo, not very good in 3 man midfield and also in 2 midfield setup. Mckennie is vidal wannabe, locatelli is underused, pogba is still injured. Chiesa is pacey player but he still lacked in term of build up play (he is good for counter attack), di maria is old and cannot play every game at winger, maybe we could use him as attacking midfield. Milik is decent, but why we skip depay? Kean dont have proper minute and trust. Bentacur, romero, kulusevski could add more for us, but sold for cheap. Overall our squad is weak, but allegri must have his hand on the transfer decision, on which player he want and he didnt want. Yet his loyalty toward alex sandro, de sciglio, cuadrado, szczesny (could have donnaruma for free) is crazy.
@@YeFansMalaysia Our squad is good if all of them are available. If not then it's okey if the injuries aren't on our key players like Di Maria, Chiesa, Pogba because these player don't have proper replacement in our squad. If Vlahovic is injured then we have Milik. If Bremer is gone then we have Gatti, a bit less quality but alright. One of Danilo or Sandro then we have De Scilgio, less quality but we still can play our game. Pogba, Di Maria, Chiesa and I would also say Paredes bc he don't have a proper replacement either. These players are a MUST to have available.
Allegri is the worst kind of manager… his football is ugly and yet he doesn’t have the winning mentality of someone like Mourinho which you could be forgiven for playing less attractive football if you can win important titles.
To be fair, Juve has like 6 or 7 starters injured, including Pogba, Locatelli or Chiesa, i´d say their biggest problem is the defense, only Bremer should start, the rest is bang average.
@@alibarznji2000 does not matter. If he costs 25m a year in a league which makes 800m less in tv revenue his productivity in the champions league did not meet his salary. So yet again braindead fool do you know how economics work?
@@Micfri300 still doesn’t change the fact he was the best player midfield creates no chances since pjanic decline and recruitment has always been terrible, ronaldo simply performed and carried deadwood behind him
Agnelli destroyed Juve. A house that conte built. This ain't farmers liga like Bundesliga. This is were giants were put on nap by Juve. Not anymore. Inter Napoli Milan all come hunting. Chao. Should have let Pirlo built his own team for a few seasons.
My opinion is a curiousity. I am curious what will you say at the end of group stages when Benfica will get P3, heading to Europa League. Will get back on that.
"...a minimum of top 3 squad in seria A" and you're showing Pogba+Paredes+Locatelli :) . Juventus midfield = Locatelli+Miretti+Mckennie (according to played minutes) so why u're manipulating ?! there are enough other reasons to blame Allegri :)
I don’t care what anyone says, but I really think we should’ve stuck with Pirlo. The team played much better under him and it was his first job. He needed more time
I'll just put it there then you do what you want with this information. Juventus won the last CL when Del Piero was 21 whereas got 9 titles in a row in Italy where it was easy to buy Rolex for referees (read Calciopoli and relegation is Serie B). Now that VAR has been introduced in Italy they quickly became a mid-table team. In a way, football makes sense
