The Fall Of The Eleventh Legion - 40K Theories 

What REALLY happened: Russ: At long last, Malcador, I return to Terra after finishing my charge. Every member of the 11th legion has been eradicated. Malcador: Um. You mean the 2nd, right? Russ: No. The 11th. The [REDACTED]. Malcador: I sent you to exterminate the 2nd legion! Why did you destroy the 11th? Russ: I have your orders right here! Look! Eliminate Legion 11! Malcador: That's not an eleven. That's II. Two! Russ: Oh... My bad. Do I still need to destroy the 2nd? Malcador: Yes! Russ: (Sigh). Ok. I'll be back. Malcador: (Under his breath) I should have sent the Lion... Russ: What was that? Malcador: Nothing.

In my head cannon , the 11th was too chummy with xenos , having landed on a world that had a thriving civ that was based on coexistence between humans and some other species . After reuniting with big E , he was promised his world and people would become part of the empire , and he went off to fight like a good boy. At some point coming back home to find it wiped out by one or more of the other legions , at the order of the Emperor. He didn't rebel or fall to chaos he just left , took his ship and what ever was left of his people and left the empire all together. Malcador and the Emperor simply couldn't let the others know that leaving was an option so, wipe their memories and pretend he did something so bad as to need to be erased for history.

Honestly I really like the idea lorgar was buds with the 11th primarch but after the "incident" he became absolutely shattered by it and it really fucked him up mentally, made even worse when big E inevitably went after him too for the whole worship thing.

I miss these theory videos, I hope there are more theory videos like this coming in the near future. Would be really sweet if 40K Theories could clear up the inconsistencies there are in regards to Saul Tarvitz in the Horus Rising, False Gods, Galaxy in Flames, Flight of the Eisenstein and Fulgrim novels. The inconsistencies are in regards to his Captaincy.

It's good to hear some of the TTS Voice actors voicing 40k characters again in all honesty

I like the idea that the 11th legion fell to mutation, that their gene-seed was unstable and eventually reached the point where the legion had to be purged - which is what caused Sanguinius to be afraid when Horus discovered him putting down one of his own mutated Astartes. And that other than that, the 11th was an all-around decent dude, which is why he's remembered fondly by his brothers. (with the notable exception of Dorn AFTER Malcador "unlocks" his memories... every other comment by the Primarchs is positive, Horus is willing to attack Malcador over destroying his statue, Robute leaves room for them at his table... yeah, I'm gonna trust Malcador is just "unlocking" Dorn's memories here... right...) As for them being erased from history, my headcannon is that the Randgan were NOT Xenos, but were actually a potent group of Humans (who may or may not have been Mutants, but at the very least modified themselves in radical ways) who were able to rival the naecent Imperium. I think of them like the Ousters from the Dan Simmons Hyperion series, and I have the 2nd deciding that they were a better choice for Mankind than the Emperor - so he left the Imperium to join the Rangdan. Him alone, not his Legion or his Astartes. (some may or may not have decided to join him of their own free will) The 11th joined him to try to find a cure for himself and his Astartes, as the Randgan had far more experience with this kind of issue than the Emperor seemed to have. This, of course, is completely unacceptable for the Emperor so he ordered the Rangdan utterly destroyed. Because neither then 2nd nor 11th actually TURNED on the Emperor, and both had good reasons for what they did (let's fact it, Emp's is a pretty nasty figure all told, and a lot of Primarchs were uncomfortable with massacring Humans who simply believed different things than what the Emperor believed), the other Primarchs held them in fairly high regard. But what they did was such a threat to the Emperor and Imperium that they had to be entirely written out. It's one thing to have an Enemy to Conquer, but it's entirely another thing to have a Peaceful Human Rival who might actually have a better idea than you. The first you can Defeat and gloat about, the second you have to entirely remove so no one gets the idea to recreate the Rival. That's why the "overreaction", and part of why the Traitors haven't been given the same treatment. (also, without the Emperor to actually to the Psychic manipulation, it's hard to do the same thing.)

10:46 Magnus The Red: "I PUNCHED OUT ONE OF LEMAN RUSS' HEARTS! WHY DOES NO ONE REMEMBER THAT?!"

remember just how powerful a psyker the emperor is. just because russ doesn't remember seeing a primarch die dosn't mean he hasn't. i can't remember exactly where it is but there is a moment where Russ remembers astartes killing each other before but can't recall where or when.

When the Emperor hasn't apparently even given up on Mortarion, and almost couldn't kill Horus, it would seem that the Emperor would have tried everything else before having the missing primarchs killed. So my uneducated bet would be for the primarch being imprisoned as proposed after 11:35. I also doubt that the Emperor would have allowed Malcador to have the primarchs' skulls as effectively trophies - that wouldn't be in character for either the Emperor or Malcador.

I mostly think the 11th Primarch is on Terra being held in the emperor palace deep away from anyone.

I suspect the two chambers may indeed house the Lost Primarchs, but I wonder if one of them is in fact a Perpetual that is more powerful in that fashion than any of the other Primarchs. It would explain why Leman Russ thought Primarchs were unkillable, because he executed the 11th Primarch only for him to immediately return to life. It is also entirely possible that one of the crimes committed was accidentally revealing the existence of Perpetuals as that in itself would have upset the Emperor's plans. Furthermore, that would explain Rogal Dorn's statement that if the Lost Primarchs were still present during the Heresy that all would be lost. A legion of Space Marines that are commanded by Perpetuals who were themselves betrayed by the Emperor would have completely thrown off the balance of the war. As for the Second Legion, I believe their Primarch could have been a different kind of failure. It is entirely possible that the Second was in fact a Blank. If the Second was a Blank, the Second Legion could have been a failure purely because they didn't exhibit any traits which made them unique, as their anti-psyker presence was below even the weakest natural born Blank. This would also lead to them not developing camaraderie like other Legions, instead working together apart from other aspects of the Imperium. Furthermore, I suspect that the Blank Primarch would be a failure in the Emperor's eyes because without a powerful soul to drive the development of the Primarch's body it's entirely possible that they looked more akin to a standard human. Possibly they even resembled the Emperor more than any of the others, reminding him of the humanity he has shed while never able to experience it themselves. Given what we know of the Pariah Gene, it's entirely possible that the Emperor saw that even a touch of it was enough to weaken an entire Legion while also making it too dangerous for others to try to understand. I posit that the Second Primarch is also a Perpetual, but as their body is not relying on a Primarch soul to drive it to its full height and power it's more of a biological Perpetuality than the metaphysical Perpetuality exhibited by beings such as Vulkan. It is entirely possible then, that each room contains the body of a Primarch that cannot die. One whose spirit cannot depart and another whose body is always alive.

A resounding hurrah to you Remleiz!!! Good to see you dishing out lore!

Beware the Alien, the Mutant, the Heretic: The Primarch of the IInd was a diplomat, gentle and pensive as we know from quotes, a friend to Xenos. He worked to reconcile the Imperium with the Alien races. He failed, but in doing so nearly tore the Imperium apart. The Primarch of the XIth was a mutant, a friend to the downtrodden genetic misfits in the Imperium. He championed their cause. He failed, but in doing so nearly tore the imperium apart. Then there was Horus. The Heretic. He saw the emperor for what he was - a notorious, untrustworthy traitor. He worked to save all whom the Emperor would betray. He failed, but in doing so nearly tore the imperium apart.

Also, regarding to those rooms that Dorn finds, I always took that to mean that he had just come across essentially dorm rooms. Earlier books in the heresy had established that the emperor had created places for his people his soldiers his sons to stay after the war was over. It's reasonable to assume that the 11th and 12th Legions would have likewise had such rooms. And it's equally likely that these rooms unable to be repurposed would have been sealed up by the emperor

One of my old theories about one of the lost Legions was this; each Primarch was given a specific purpose. What if one Primarch was to engage and fight the Gods of Chaos in the warp itself? Such was his devotion to the Emperor that he ascended into a warp being but was rejected by the Emperor, his name being Malal becoming Malice. I did also want to tie this into the Legion of the Lost and Damned, but given the info we know, probably isn't true.

Each primarch has a part of the emperors power, some his endurance, others his tactical brilliance, others still his technial knowhow. We have yet to see a primarch with an intimate understanding of biomancy, and genetic engineering. So that is one niche one of the lost primachs could have filled (unless it was yet another blacksmith). There is a posibility that one of the lost primachs could have been tainted by chaos, or some other means, as one of the reasons Sanguinius feared the censor so much, due to his own wings. My guess is that the Randang were the creation of one of the lost. The product of a lot of heretical experimentation, which the 2nd or 11th would eventually imbue himself with, forsaking his humanity, something the Emperor would see as the ultimate treason.

8:20 I personally think that Dorn was referring to a possible relationship of the 2nd and 11th to Horus, Lorgar, or the other traitor legions as he never outright states that they did anything wrong. Personally, my take on the matter is that the 2nd rejected the Emperor but didn’t turn to Chaos. Choosing instead to flee the galaxy entirely, attempting to take his legion with him to try and make it to Andromeda (unironically the vector that the Tyranids are coming from). Leeman Russ could have possibly tried and succeeded in intercepting them, slaying “The Lost” Could “The Damned” refer to the “Legion of the Damned? Perhaps they did a mass ritual and somehow erased the legion from real space.

iirc, 11 is the "sacred number" of Malal / Malice. Possibly tried to destroy Chaos using Chaos, but in gaining power became a renegade god

I mean, in one of the latest Warhammer Community posts, it was hinted that Eleven might have just up and left one day, cutting all ties and never being seen again, so there's a possibility that he's out there but doesn't really want anything to do with his trainwreck of a family or the Imperium. If he runs into Roboute again, it'll probably only be when Bobby Blue really needs a hand and Eleven can't watch from the sidelines anymore.

Glad to see you're still around :), and man, with the Votann coming, what a time to be around :D

My emotional cores allow me great joy at the sight of this theoretical. Your return was greatly missed Inquisitor. Hope we get to see more theories coming and some more insight on *Subject 11*

My guess: one of them was the "philosopher/historian" among the twenty; he analized the Imperial Truth and find it was a totalitarian ideology, destined to fail in the end, and tried to find a compromise solution, bringing the wrath of the Emperor who didn't tolerate deviations. The other landed in a space hulk and become part of a civilization that mixed humans and xenos. When the Emperor rebuked him for such allegiancies and tried to bring him back into the ranks, the primarch revealed he had access to an ancient alien device (maybe belonging to Necron or Old Ones) capable of predictring the future, and that showed him three possible futures: one where half of the primarchs rebelled to the Emperor and defeated him and the loyalists, one where the Emperor vanquishes the rebels at a high price, and a third where the rebellion is nipped in the bud and the Emperor succedes in his plans, and "...it was like watching three different versions of Hell, neither one better or worse than the others, only different". So the two Primarchs vanish from imperial history, one of them dead or prisoner, buried in the depth of Terra, the other escaping from the war and the madness, Far from the Imperium and the Eye of Terror, in a fleet of generational ships, in search for greener pastures.

I think when the time is right, when all hopes seem lost, when things seem dire and at their worst, when GW really wants to try and make some fast cash they'll reveal the primarchs, their lore, and all the goodies they can sell with them.

I always thought that at least one of the lost legions and their primarch got corrupted during the Rangdan Xenocides which prompted many of their numbers being purged.

Since Horus holds the title of being the first (or at least main) Primarch to fall to chaos I've always figured that the 2nd and 11th Primarchs comitted the other two main sins of the Empire, xenoheresy and technoheresy. It makes sense to me that they ended up on worlds that didn't conform to the Emperor's vision for humanity. One Primarch possibly landed on a world that was home to more than just humans and ended up rulling over a multi-species kingdom/empire while the other landed on a technologically advanced world where AI is the norm. The Emperor would have tried to convince them to forsake their heretical homelands and, upon failing to do so, ordered all memory of them and their worlds destroyed and the Primarchs themselves imprisioned so these heretical views wouldn't spread. This would also explain why the skulls on Malcador's throne bear their numbers... Malcador basically founded the inquisition which is an organization dedicated to rooting out disenting worldviews within the Imperium and the 2nd and 11th are the perfect example of that mission, possibly even being the inspiration for Malcador to create the Inquisition in the first place.

The Eleventh Legion is probably absorbed by the Ultramarines which explained the massive swelling of numbers of new Astartes.

Thank you so much for the upload!! I’ve always been fascinated by the lost Legions & their Primarchs.

My headcanon is that one of the lost Primarchs was raised by Xenos. He was hesitant to mindlessly genocide them, until he flat out refused to obey Emperor's command

if i recall in "The Master of Mankind" the emperor state that failure is in his eyes worse than batrayal. i heard that during the great crusade one big battle was expunged from history and the lost might have been participating in them, so maybe they lost it and to not tarnish the aura of invincibility of the sm was expunged.

Fantastic to hear your voice again, Remleiz. I hope this means your health issues are under control and that we'll be hearing more from you..

When I first saw that Malcador illustration years ago, I also thought that the skulls on Malcador’s throne might be connected to the II and XI primarchs. However on closer inspection, I realised that the skulls were too small to be literal primarch skulls, so most likely the skulls are more likely to be a symbolic representation of the lost primarchs rather than a literal representation.

A delight as always Rem, I still like to think one of the Primachs committed suicide after discovering or witnessing something maddening.

If one of the two legions messed with AI, then I wonder if we'll finally get more information with the Leagues of Votann coming back into the game. Honestly, I'm really curious to see what new lore comes from a race that legit has full blown reliance on AI, something that we have not seen in such prominence for a long time. I'm personally conflicted about whether or not the mysteries of the second and eleventh should be revealed, but it could be an opportunity to only raise more questions than answered. While I like a good unknown, they can become stale or diminished. At this point, the unaltered state of the lore of the two has been "milked" dry and doesn't add much of anything being trapped in a mystery box for mystery box sake.

The 11th could have been a sort of counterpoint to Lorgar, in a similar - but friendlier - way that Perturabo was to Dorn. It also leads me to wonder if the 2nd was a counterpoint to Magnus, since I'm not sure either Mort or Russ would count.

Great video as always lore master! Lots of interesting stuff in this. The thing I personally latched onto in this video the most is that the custodes retain records of the fall, censure, or destruction of the the Eleventh, even up to the modern day imperuim. It makes sense that they alone would, but it wasn't something I ever considered. The fact that Lorgar experienced some sort of heartbreak due to the eleventh is also interesting to me, because it's so vague as to mean basically anything. It could mean he was forced to do battle with the eleventh legion and his brother, or that perhaps he was close to that specific brother, maybe even in a similar way to the bond between Fulgrim and Ferrus Manus.

I just wanna point out, its my understanding that Malcador has erased the memory of at least Rogal Dorn in regards to the missing primarchs so if its not directly stated, then its possible that this happened with the other primarchs too. If so, this could explain Russ having the title of Emperor's Executioner while questioning whether a primarch can truly die. He could merely think of it as a bombastic nickname or a reference to his strength that he 'could' kill a primarch without knowing if its possible

I feel it was them going traitor, not chaos traitor, just plain traitor. The respond from the Emperor was to completely sweep this under the rug most likely due to the scale of issue, it must of been small. The only reason why the Horus Heresy is even known is simply due to the scale of the heresy. It would be impossible to contain that, but for the two legions it must've been small of enough to cometely wipe them from history. Dunno, feel that's the most likely outcome. Hope I never know because that's the intrigue of the list primarchs.

Maybe they refused to join the Imperium or they were pacifists so the emperor destroyed them. 😂

Discovering a brand new theory video has just made my entire day. Thank you!

I was always convinced that one of the lost Primarchs, after he was "unified" with the Emperor and his brethren, went like: "You are all absolutely insane and completely bonkers. Under no circumstances do I want anything to do with you. I am out of here."

Head canon: one legion fell to Chaos BEFORE Horus Heresy, maybe they had the gift of the Emperors foresight. And one was infested by Tyranid genestealers. 10/10 theories.

I picture either the 2nd or 11th primarch becoming a pacifist after leading his legion into many battles. He was then either imprisoned or killed and his legion re-seeded as Ultramarines.

Oh hey he got Dorn to do the quote. Neat.

Maybe they were controlled by The Enslavers 🦑 🧠🦑, or else the Sluagh ?

13:27 "Dorn was simply waxing poetic" *_Impossible_*

I still love the whole Rangdan xenoside conspiracy. A whole cover up of the civil war before the horus heresy resulting in the death of a loyal primarch and their legion and the destruction of the traitor legion & capture of subject 11. The surviving loyalists being absorbed into the ultramarines.

Happy to hear you narrate again, missed you man!

Imagine if one of the lost Primarchs had become a demon like being and the other brother had simply defended him out of love. I could also imagine one Primarch joining an alien race as an ally for Federation.

Glad you'rre back you old dino you also the tts voices are enjoyable like fine wine.... evil wine

My head cannon is that one of the lost ended up with the eldar "parents"most likely exodites but a minor craft world works to. He eventually returns to big e but he advocates for some xenos to be sanctioned/vassals. But when big e or one of his brothers genocide a planet with humans and xenos both just peaceful living. He turns away from big e and gets exiled/emprisoned/ killed for it.

I love the foresight the creators of the 40k universe had when they planted this information into the lore. Now thy have this HUGE thing to reveal during the lifetime of the franchise, they dont even have to come up with something new...it's been there all the time. You don't often see that kind of foresight from writers.

Ah the comfy warm hug of a 40k theory.

I always wondered about the theories in regards to what happened to the missing brothers. The one theory I always liked and subscribed to was that By some horrible twist of fate one of them became Be’lakor.

11 is also a binary expression... I think the machine god chose the 11th to be his avatar and Emps had to lock him away to pull off his own Omnissiah ruse. The true Omnissiah is the Emperor's prisoner!

Nice My personal ideas for the Lost Primarch/Legions is that one of then had such corrupted and screwed geneseed that the Primarch turned into a abomination and had to be culled along with most of the Legion, after their extensive self experimentation made them into monsters. And for the other, the Primarch was raised as a evil despot before the Legion reached him, appalled they killed the Primarch. In both cases the Primarch/Legions were failures, self destructive, and a sign of weakness that couldnt be tolerated.

You have peaked my interest. So I like to believe there is some ultramarine out there with geneseed from the 2nd &11th legion or cawl got some primaries marines of the 2nd&11th in the freezer.

Unfortunately, I don't think we're ever gonna know. I think the implication is that these lost Legions were created so that players could invent their own backstories. But the authors can't resist writing hints that never really come to anything. Personally, I wish they'd just get it over with and give us the official histories. I feel like they already halfway exist out there.

My own pet theory is that one Chapter where corrupted and lost in the Rangdan Xenocides and had to be scrubbed from memory due to Primarch based warp fu'ery. The other Chapter was lost but more in the "missing" sense, they used in the webway project and ended up getting lost. They've been "scrubbed" from the records because the Emperor REALLY wanted to keep the webway project on the down-low.

I missed the voice of Remleiz. That video was not only interesting (for I am a huge HH-Fan) but also entertaining hearing Remleiz' voice again.

Loving that you got the same vocal talent for Dorn as in TTS

Nice to hear the sultry sounds of your man. Hope to hear it again soon. Hope your health is getting better. My thoughts are, and have been with you.

11 broke Lorgar's heart on account of he became a god first; Malal.

This is truly a blessed dsy. Praise the Arch-Magos Remleiz.

I still like the idea that either 11 or 2 fell through a warp rift and became Sigmar

I wrote a short story back in the day about the primarchs of the second and eleventh fighting each other in a miniature heresy...ending with the death of the eleventh and the banishing of the second as background for my custom legion.

The Lost primarch is SIGMAR. Change my mind.

My theory is that the two “lost” Primarchs were told the truth about the warp which the emperor kept a secret.

My theory is 2 or 11 landed on a CraftWorld and used his Astartes to protect them. Maybe even fight against Logar with a combined force of human and xeno. Emperor finding out made him furious to use his imperium to protect a Xeno race. Other than that, can’t think of any other reason they should be forgotten.

I've missed these vids.

I would say the skulls on Malcador's throne are symbolic as, unless these primarchs are even smaller than the primarchs of the Alpha Legion, the skulls are far too small

Glad to hear the TTS actors in 40k again. I hope that series comes back one day and we get another RU-vid 40k golden age. Still no forgiveness to games workshop.

My guess is desertion, possibly with the goal of finding a new home beyond the reach of the warp, something the Emperor literally could not abide by for numerous reasons. In many ways turning traitor is easier to punish and prevent then someone simply leaving to find perhaps a more peaceful path. The emperor also seems to need the warp to simply exist, not to mention project his power. It explains being able to reintegrate many of the legionnaires into other legions as there was no taint simply reeducation needed.

Since GW is finally moving the story forward, and to mention them recently then hopefully they have plans for them. 10k years locked up might have made them repentant. Also would be an interesting twist to bring them back into the fold, especially with The Emperor slowly waking up. Great video, love these.

Finally, the wait is over!

Got to love the evolution of this lore. These 2 legions where originally stated as “lost” so players could make their own legions. This was before the whole successor chapters etc was defined in lore. Then over time, what is a throwaway line in the first rulebooks becomes a point of such debate in fiction that GW start to put on more and more details.

I had never noticed the skulls on Malcadors throne, that’s CRAZY!! I don’t think they’re the ACTUAL skulls due to scale but they OBVIOUSLY represent the two lost legions! Wow!

Oh snap Haven Kendrick! Good to see him in one of these vids.

In the alpha legion story where the legion is questioning alpharius, he clearly states that both lost legions were flawed tools that were discarded by choice. Just thought I'd throw that in there That being said I always figured one was tainted somehow and the other died trying to save/kill him. Hence the lost and the damned. It's also explain why they were removed from record, can't record the heroic saceafice of the one without exposing the failure/treachery of the other. Maybe genestealers got him since the rangda did to Ake place in the galactic east same place the nids end up coming from. And we know for a fact the nids were here a longggg time before the first hive fleet ever showed up and before even the crusade. In fact that'd explain how Russ got a Kraken's egg,. Got it during the campaign to kill his tainted brother. Thus the executioner title yet still being able to say he's never killed a primarch before. Edit:that'd also go a long way to explaining why there's only ever one swarm Lord, since we know the nids enslave both the bodies And souls of those they consume.

My theory: The 11th Primarch had built an empire with the Rangdan and the 2nd was sent to kill him, however he refused and allied withthe 11th. Russ and Valdor would wipe out their forces and mortally wound the Primarchs and place them in permanent stasis.

Does anyone else remember in the days of 2nd edition, it was heavily implied that one of the missing legions was the Grey Knights? Was that a thing, or have I been taking the crack again?

This video has given me some very good ideas for a Horus Heresy vidjya game plot line, thank you Rem!

Personal headcanon has one of the lost being possibly the first to fall to chaos, during the time when the Emperor still wished to keep his imperium unaware of such ‘ruinous powers’ and due to the massive mind wipe not only was the primach forgotten but his ‘patron’ god… Malice was rendered mere myth and rumor as far as the Imperium was concerned

The unique response to those 2 legions by the Emperor combined with the overtones of sorrow and undertones of fear that the primarchs demonstrate when commenting on their fate I always gravitated towards the theory that those 2 lost legions were not traitors outright. Treason would be denounced and made an example of, but the emotional reactions to II & XI seem more of a secret shame, something potentially flawed with the astartes in general and the Emperor's plan specifically. I think they fell to genetic aberration so horrific that the Emperor had no choice but to yeetus deletus them entirely, using the Space Wolves as the viscous executioners axe.

Good to see your pc and health issues have abated long enough for you to make videos again. May the Omnissiah continue to bless your flesh and circuits.

My personal pet theory for the two lost legions is as follows: the II or XI primarch decided to subject their legion to Necron biotransference, via the Ygma Monolith, to ensure that they would live long enough to always stand against the enemies of the Imperium and/or see the Emperor’s vision completed. The other Primarch fell to Chaos in an attempt to save his brother. Thoughts?

One theory that comes to mind right away is the placement of the skulls on Malacador's throne. Isn't interesting that the man who created the Grey Knights has those two skulls at his right and left hands? Whose to say they aren't doing some kind of ultra-deepcover mission, possibly outside of the galaxy, and their erasure is the ultimate cover up? After all, who would go looking for someone if they committed a "crime" so unspeakable that they were erased from history?

Good video! I didn't know so many of the Lost Primarch lore tidbits were focused on the 11th. And I love the idea of a primarch's corpse being kept in the palace's basement. My own pet theory for the Lost Primarchs is that one of them was simply never found in the first place, or at least found after having already been killed, with their Legion falling apart either out of some form of grief or genetic flaw before being wiped out and/or absorbed into another Legion. The knowledge then being suppressed mainly out of propaganda concerns.

I've always theorized that the 2 missing Primarchs may have gone against the Emperor because of the direction he was taking humanity in. It's been made clear that the Emperor will tolerate people like Conrad Curze so long as they serve his goal. This is what lead to my theory about the 2nd and 11th Primarch's possible motives. Also gotta give it to Russ for being responsible for not 1 but 2 of his siblings leaving the Imperium.

I wonder what aspects of the Emperor’s personality the 11th primarch personified, and if that had anything to do with his downfall. Hubris perhaps?

while it seems likley that the 11th turned traitor in some way, i like to think the 2nd legion just up and left to do their own thing, beyond the galaxy. another possibility is that one of the lost Primarchs became Alpharius/Omegon, being a clunky explanation to why there are two of them.

me seeing new Video on my 11th legion, puts paint brush down looks at titans..... do i need to burn mars next time i go to the game store

I think its simpler than that.... the second primark was killed in the rangdan genocide ( which 4 legions were involved in).. probably trying to impress horus.... and the elethenth primark probably never even met his legion.... failing the primark test.....(which angron passed) that easy....

It always annoys people when they’re told that the meta reason for the 2 forgotten legions is for players to start their own home brew legions. Is there a reason for this other than it just being too simple an answer?

Dude you really are in the Inquisition aren't you? I had just finished my re-listen to the audio version of The Wolftime and had a moment during that quoted conversation where I somehow half way forgot my Legion numbers and was like "wait are they talking about the burning of Prospero or....did they just hint at Thunder-Warrioring one of the lost legions?"

"GUYS! HER NAME WAS ASTARTE? HAHA GET IT?" - BL writers huffing Arkhan Land gas for their new writings.

I have been pondering the idea that the 2nd and 11th Primarchs (or one of them) actively rejected the Emperor when he came to them during The Great Crusade.

My own thoughts on the matter of the total erasure of the 2nd and 11th are that the Emperor was able to contain whatever they had done, expunge the records and wipe clean the slate of history. If he'd won the Heresy without reducing himself to the half-dead shell on the Throne and had been able to contain (capture/kill/whatever) the Traitor Primarchs and their Legions, they too would have been erased.

We've missed you. And If I am not mistaken didn't Robute show remorse and melancholy at the empty spaces of the 2nd and 11th statues? Implying he still missed them?

Who wipes out all records of two legions and their primarchs, including mind-wiping the other 18, but leaves the knowledge of their existence behind?

Would be wild if some of the names Ultramarines originated from either of the lost reasons and whatever those legions did could *MAYBE* explain why the named blueberries wreck shop