THE FALLOUT 76 STEEL DAWN RANT 

I keep seeing this argument in the comments so I am going to address some things here. People are saying that New California would be accurate for a home location for the Appalachian Brotherhood. As in it makes sense that the BoS in 76 calls the area that. Vault 15 wouldn't have its big blowout until 2097, which is roughly 5 to 6 years before the events of Fallout 76. The area wouldn't be known as New California until after Shady Sands was considered a developed town. It would be called the Core Region, or it would be split between the two commonwealths, Northwest and the Southwest respectively. Any information you are providing about that being different has been retconned due to Fallout 76. It is referred to as New California at the end of the first game because it is foreshadowing the events of Fallout 2. Also, the first Fallout takes place 70+ years after 76. Meaning it makes complete sense if this area is called that in Fallout 1. The Brotherhood of Fallout 76 left Lost Hills in 2103, which would make it the first major excursion of the chapter. Unless the excuse is they just nicknamed the area that, it is likely the BoS would be calling it the Core Region. I hope this helps.

I can’t wait for the next 76 DLC: “The rise of the Easy Pete Empire”

I remember back when Fallout 3's BOS made classic fans mad, myself included!

Why can't they make new factions? They're working with a whole ass continent. Why not another military offshoot?

Honestly i wish they went with the US-Army rather than BOS, make it interesting as a interim where the US Army turns to BOS, could also have some remaining chinese army and make an interesting little weird pocket

Fallout 76 is actually a lucid, Ultrajet-induced dream that an Underworld ghoul is having, and none of it is canon.

"Bethesda is threatening to release a second part" underrated comment

Waiting for a random Caesar's Legion cohort and NCR company come out of nowhere at this point.

The Enclave Remmnants were way more interesting and loyal to their own lore, than anything Bethesda has done with the Brotherhood

A Fallout game without the Brotherhood of Steel would be a godsend at this point.

It's embarassing that this BOS contingent is litterally 1 Knight, 1 Paladin and a shit ton of useless initiate fodder.

The tale of Bethesda retconning everything that the eye can see

I barely know the Fallout lore (only played FO3 and NV through ttw) and I still face palmed when I heard the brotherhood said they were coming from New California...

The important thing you need to remember about all this is Bethesda literally does not care. Just look at the dismissive "lol NEEEEERD" reactions Pete Hines has to anyone who complains about lore violations in Bethout games. They think that people who care at all about the lore are mouthbreathing nerds and they are not interested in appeasing us in the slightest.

FINALLY, someone who actually gets it and was not afraid to talk about it

"Bethesda's Fallout games are turning into games that are about looting, shooting and nifty environmental details. They lose sight of what Fallout is about in exchange for good shooting and gimmicky stories that undermine major events from previous games. This is what pisses me off about about Bethesda games, they have no idea of what they are doing aside from the fact that they deliver people the most unoffensive, easily consumed and easily developed gameplay loop they can." -Mister Caption. Fallout 4 Review - No Todds, No Masters.

I'm not even sure why the Brotherhood had to be in the game. If they wanted a power armor faction then they could have had a renegade Army or National Guard unit that either had power armor or found power armor and not enough people due to attrition. It'd be interesting to see a more mercenary faction and the begginings of a tribal mentality.

"I'm only critical because I love the games so much". Perfect. You've become my favourite Fallout source. You heart-throb you.

John Maxson is not Maxson's son, it's his Grandson who we meet in Fallout 1. Maxson's son was the one killed by the Vipers prior to Fallout 1.

I think the simplest answer is your first: Fallout 76 is just a fun-times Fallout theme-park designed to push a lot of microtransactions. It doesn't take itself seriously and neither should we. That or "alternate timeline" or whatever time-travel trope is currently popular with so-called "creatives."

Everyone wonders why I as well as other people like the enclave better than the brotherhood, this is one of the reasons

“Retconian nonsense” highlight of the video

New California is the trump card here. Good opening arguments and tie to the Fandom. I am a post Interplay/Obsidian introduction to this universe. I am loyal to OG Fandom. There is a way to meet in the middle and it seems like Bethesda goes out of the way to not meet OG fallout fans half way. Come on Microsoft ! Save us 🇺🇸

i wanna hear Oxhorn find a legit reason why the brotherhood is in 76

if Bethesda keeps up on their BoS path there would be enough chapters to act as its own police-force for most of the US

They could really "Tranquility Lane" their way out of 76. All they would have to do is make Vault 76 similar to Vault 112. Everything that happened in FO76 could just be passed off as a simulation that the residents of the vault were part of. There are a few wrinkles that would need to be ironed out with this, but would save canon while not invalidating FO76.

This whole game doesn’t make any sense. Lush forests and healthy people living outside just 25 years after a nuclear war ? I don’t think so, the world should look like hell at that time.

I don't know how you did it Todd, but you made the badass Brotherhood of Steel overused

Looks like someone else got randomly recommended "1940s Rapping But wait for ittttt "

When I saw you enter the Enclave bunker in the stream I honestly found it pretty unoriginal and cliche. It was more interesting than the rest of the DLC but it was still no the greatest.

I like the enclave more

They should’ve just made a group that was exiled from the brotherhood and went east to get as far as way as possible and they start their own brotherhood with a different name, it could even be very similar, and then Bethesda could mold that group how they wanted.

Perhaps just consider obsidian fallouts and Bethesdas fallouts as separate universes

I heard Ron pearlman throw around "new California" in the endings for fallout 1 look at the endings for the followers, brotherhood of steel, and the khans. New California appears to be a geographic term that got co-opted into a political term.

Everybody's favorite faction? Ahem, Enclave is better. Still waiting when Bethesda stops giving those knight cosplayers all the attention. And give Americas true savior some love.

So which characters in Steel Dawn actually refer to California as “New California?” I ask because I seemingly missed that detail through my run of Steel Dawn and plan to keep an ear out for it when I replay it on an alt character.

It's reaaaaaal awkward when Shin and Shamani are having argument, asking me my input of this. While I am just standing there, donned in Military Green prototype X-01 suit and swore Semper Fidelis toward Enclave next to them. I was like "Dude, I am Enclave. I ain't even suppose to be here, oh well."

6 months of waiting for 4 missions. Bethesda is working hard.......

I think it would have been a lot more interesting for them to explore the other factions of Appalachia rather than using the BOS again.

Fake choices, retcon, awful microtransactions? Sounds like bethesda's cooking. I'll wait for F4NV and Miami

I hated Rhamani the moment I met her because I knew they were going to have her as the nice person looking to help. I was way more aligned with Shin. What she did at the end was beyond stupid. Part 2 had better have consequences for that.

Honestly, the brotherhood in fo3 still followed some of its morals. I could empathize without being critical of them and calling them traitors. Though they activated the water purifier and gave the capital wasteland free water, butthey controlled it, hence they held that technology. They were still the brotherhood. This chapter feels small, and it feels like the paladins actions are covering her own mistakes, and knight shins unable to be empathised with because of how diluted and buried in his views he is, to the point of saying things like trading with the locals is pointless, and establishing trade and a healthy supply of resources to allow the brotherhood to operate easier and more efficiently as unimportant. Both are selfish and they are both hard to empathise with

It shocks me that they choose to focus on the brotherhood coming to Appalachia which mind you MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE then rather the Enclave that is already there and who let out the scorched virus in the first place. I want more to MODUS and maybe see someone new take the position as leader.

Next : Caesar Legion and NCR come to 76

|This is not a| rant come on... |what besthesda made| is borderline "fan service" done wrong ... said it already, bethesda dont want the players to make/follow it's own story, they want the players to follow theirs. ps: |edited|

Why is the Brotherhood in every Fallout game can there be a fallout game without the Brotherhood plz

I loved how in this update, even the new npcs are questioning why nukes are being dropped so often and where all these super mutants keep coming from. Also, I was very disappointed with how they introduced all these people and named npcs, updated all these places, but like you only talk to them like once or twice and that's about it. Those four people you ask some questions to at the start, three of whom have like actual legitimate concerns, they disappear after the quest is done; there's no like follow-up side-quests or something, they might as well be dead. And those last two parts apply to about every other new npc and even location that you meet and find while questing; the new Crater and Foundation rooms serve no other function as of yet and are too out of the way that I feel like they'd be remembered (there's not even like a clear path to the Crater War Room, it's just like walk up this out-of-the-way hill outside of town to this supposedly important area), there are no new daily quests or events, Treehouse Town doesn't have any merchants or any real reason to go there, there's more people and npcs but for some reason it just feels emptier. Also, I just hate how the actual weapon blueprints are daily-ops rewards but the modifications are bought with gold bullion; like I don't do daily-ops that often (if it's something easy I can do by myself and it's a daily reward thing, then maybe I'll do it), I don't have friends, and I'm capped out on gold (I have everything I wanted and I'm not interested in energy weapons or power armor so that cuts like two thirds of the gold bullion stuff); I also just don't like how Regs is the default gold bullion trader for the new stuff, they could've just slapped a random robot or npc at Fort Atlas and made him the bullion merchant; they even could've made the boy-scout out front the merchant. They could've just made the Brotherhood an actual faction with reputation, daily quests, and rank-rewards like with Crater and Foundation, but I guess they wanted to take the easy way here; but I suppose this could be patched in and reputation and such retroactively adjusted. This went on longer than I thought, but I did have fun with this update for the most part, I liked Ramani more than I thought I would, I generally like most of the new npcs and it was fun talking with them, I don't know if I hated the quest at Kerwood Mine more or Shin more, and I hope they do more campaign events (like the whole resource gathering thing we did a couple months back) and updates like this for other factions (going in order of which ones I think would make sense to do first: Responders at Morgantown Airport or that airport workshop, Free States at Berkley because after all their merchant is there at the train station, Enclave in the rest of the Whitesprings that's like blocked off, Blue Ridge Caravan at that sealed off building on the west end or something, and maybe Vault 76 and the Overseer at Sutton because the Overseer did say she wanted to rebuild Sutton first) but do more with it (make the factions like actual factions with reputation, daily quests, merchants, faction rewards, etc.).

WAIT FALLOUT 76 IT'S ALL FOR RETCONNING! Todd: Always has been

Fallout 4 and 76 just shows how far Bethesda are going in the wrong direction.

The Brotherhood is my Favorite Faction. And I prefer the West Coast over the Lyons East Coast.

I never bought Fallout 76 and this video just continues to confirm that I made the right decision.

My favorite faction has always been the Enclave! My biggest pet peeve was they made it impossible to join the Enclave.

I thought I saw a video were the brotherhood said "ad victoriam" in fallout 1 a while ago. And I did! But it was, like other text, edited in there for humor by the video maker so no dice.

Maybe they moved the timeline and now Fallout 76 takes place after 1 and 2, would explain hell of a lot more that what we have now

Current Theory: The writers behind Steel Dawn either ignored Fallout 1 and 2 or outright never looked, so they only worked off of what they know from Fallout 3 and 4

It almost a middle finger to the original version and it’s creators. I’m playing through Fallout 1 right now and I still have yet to play 76. Now for me it’s bc I live in an area where I can only get access to the internet through satellite providers, which is crap it’s worse than dial up. But even if I had a high-speed Internet I’d be reluctant to play 76, Because of everything that I’ve heard from diehard fallout fans like myself

Imagine if they suddenly gets the urge to bring minutemen and the institute in 76 so that they can reuse assets from FO4. I wonder if its gonna be hot stinking shitty mess as always or a piece of art disguised as shit.

Everything you said I 100% agree with and I also hope that the enclave has a bigger role in the 2nd part. You've convinced me to subscribe m8

The weird thing is Bethesda/Zenimax has treated Elder Scrolls' lore pretty well up to Skyrim and ESO (Different studio but still respected). Seems like they just don't respect Fallout's world. It's really sad that Fallout is basically dead in Bethesda's hands at the moment, they just don't care about a consistent and believable world.

After playing through the entire DLC, I think it slightly makes a bit more sense. Still not much, but a little more, and I'm 99% sure they made it inconsistent because they wanted to sell the second part of the DLC for 2021 in an attempt to keep players around. Also, we can kinda see that the BOS did kind of scavenge on their way to West Virginia, with a mission about getting experimental weapons they found on the way out of the hands of the groups of Crater and Foundation. But yes, it's clear that Bethesda intentionally made the Brotherhood confusing just so they can bring players back again in another wave for the part 2

just call it fallout online like the elder scroll online and i wll be happy about that

I want a fallout game with a branch of the enclave that is just genuinely good and just wants to genuinely reestablish a stable pre war America and it's a two dimensional Saturday morning cartoon villain

Mantis: “Maybe the ceo and writers know the original lore and are intentionally doing this retcon” I doubt that’s the case too, I think this is more about laziness or lack of knowledge on some of the lore and timeline. Fallout 76 is a contradiction even to their own game fallout 3

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Ok i am seriously annoyed about the hater Thing. Don't give in. Hater is a worthless slur to demonize Criticism and People who critize Media. It's not like we want to hate certain Media, we just dislike it or just certain parts of it. To hate something is not a Crime or Sin. People are free to disagree with Criticism. But stop calling people haters. And Second Thing just because Bethesda owns the ip it fucking doesn't mean that they should do what ever they want with it. Fallouts value depends on the "fans" or at least on the Caps it brings in. If they gonna do shit like fallout 76 more often, the not Brain-dead part of the fans moves on.

steal dawn makes more sense if fallout 76 was set maybe 3 or 4 years after fallout 3 and elder lions BOS used the tec from the citadel to use satellites to recruit people from west Virginia then they walked over to west Virginia to see what happened makes more sense for steal dawn but maybe not the rest of the game

I guess it should wind up like Fallout Tactics, certain aspects of the game are in place to make it fun while certain major aspects should be kept canon, but if it comes down to it not every major aspect.

"Because of course, super mutants in 76, that makes sense." Thank you. One of my biggest beefs with 76 is definitely the Huntersville super mutants. Which is ironic, because I consider myself one of the biggest supporters of super mutants being in 3 and 4.

"A Fallout game for newcomers and hardcore fans alike." Newcomers: bored Hardcore fans: angry Bethesda: bankrupt Hotel: Trivago

I agree the lore in 76 is inconsistent, but how does the brotherhood being in West Virginia break the lore

I don't know when you're gonna get it through your head that they don't give a shit anymore. The existence of this game screams that alone.

The idea the BOS would walk 5 months through wastelands and monsters, with their relatively few members, this early on in Post War America is asinine. At least in Tactics they traveled after a hundred years. That’s enough time for regime changes and bolstering ranks.

I like how they stole the plasma cutter from the Cross Laser Sword mod.

Remember when Veronica almost gets killed by other brotherhood for simply saying maybe should help the locals out. Fun times.

The outcast should have been the main brotherhood in fallout 3 it makes so much more sense I also think if they were gonna put them in this game it should have taken place later in 2277 during fallout 3 and the brotherhood in this game could have been sent by lyons after hearing about the scorched while they were crossing the country so he sent some people to check it out

Still haven’t touched Fallout 76, still reuniting the commonwealth in Fallout 4 with mods, so in my head canon the story of 76 doesn’t exist 🤷🏾‍♂️.

9:52 - Bethesda games did not make sense in regards to the lore since Fallout 3.

In my game and mind, the Brotherhood in Appalachia will end up assimilating into society and ultimately disappearing much like the IX Legion of the real world.

The Appalachian chapter and Steel Dawn actually makes more sense than you give it credit for, as its established in Fo76 lore that the founder of the Appalachian chapter was a close friend of Maxson from his military days. So when he hears from her miraculously he lets her into the brotherhood family, and when she tells him of this horrible plague and winged beasts, only to go silent, he’d of course send a few people to check on his friend and the dire situation she told him about. It’s still kind of flimsy, but not as random or contrived as you said.

I feel like bethesda has just resorted to plastering a wall with "ideas" and blindly throwing darts at it. They did not care for the established lore in fallout 3 (Though at least then they kind of tried and at least tried to keep the west and east coast lores seperate) and game by game they give even less of a shit about anything previously established. Look at their own franchise - the elder scrolls. They had to invent some shit about parallel universes or something to keep their own lore and retcons somewhat consistent.

The lore is broken?! Always has been

I still like the idea that roger maxson’s ideas getting misunderstood after his death. Maybe Roger was so tied to staying locked down because of the high radiation outside, and John continued the xenophobia because that’s what his dad did. Roger wanted to keep technology safe for future generations, but after he died that got bastardized into keep technology away from everyone. It is part of the interesting lore of fallout, that seemingly innocuous decisions have huge implications in the future. Like how Randell Clark wrote a note to some kids and created a whole religion and tribe of people.

I'll bet Todd Howard is going to be watching this, seething with anger.

I sure hope that with Microsoft owning Fallout now they'll brand Fallout: 76 as non-canonical. Microsoft needs to use Obsidian's know-how to put Fallout back on track and mitigate Bethesda's brain farts.

Bethesda threatens to release a part 2...

The development of the xo1 power armor was pre war but didn’t start using it post war.

"radio silence from ppl I never meet" Huh? He literally knew the leader of the Bos of 76 (traggardy) they were good friends.(she even heard/knew about him being a "traitor" BEFORE they spoke again during the Great War.) When the radio broke down and silence came Maxson sent help, which is what he was planning before it broke anyways... Hell if you listen to holotape: Radio log - Aug 2077 (found to the right of Spruce Knob Lake, enterence is in the water which leads to a small cave) Literally confirms their relationship and takes place soon after Mariposa "Lizzy...you KNOW ME...we need to talk" which was literally their first convo over radio 😒

if Bethesda can break lore like this I would rather have some crazy expansion like mothership

completely agree with everything you said. fallout 76 is blatant fan service for people who thoroughly enjoy fallout 3 and 4, while completely retconning established lore within the classics. fallout 76 should not be a canon entry, end of story.

I am just done with 76. Bethesda just seem like they don't really care when it comes to 76 lore wise in connection with the other games.

As a Fallout fan since 2001, Bethesda's approach to the established lore of Fallout is fucking revolting.

The lore died with "kid in a fridge" you need to accept that. Hell you could say the lore died when vault tec had fev in 3, everything pre 3 isnt set in stone anymore. If you playing games for the lore fallout is the wrong series. "I'm not gonna talk about lore and logic in game with supermutants and lasers" pete hines bethesda VP.

Bethesda over here quite literally "Rewriting History"

Even in Fallout 1, the region was called New California. It was only like twice, but it was there.

Getting upset about Bethesda contradicting pre established lore is kind of a lost cause. It's not that I don't agree with you but it's Bethesda. They wildly do not care about lore. They put in what they think will sell not what they think will make people happy.

New California was the name of the reign in the 1st fallout, the name has been there since the first game. this part of an ending slide "The Brotherhood of Steel helps the other human outposts drive the mutant armies away with minimal loss of life, on both sides of the conflict. The advanced technology of the Brotherhood is slowly reintroduced into *New California*, with little disruption or chaos."

The idea that a group of hermits, who wouldn't even spring for rad-x so one guy could look around the glow, are willing to drop their best gear and months of rations so half their numbers could walk to Virginia is silly.

Mantis saving and preserving the real fallout lore! Your outro is fresh too. Have a good morning Mantis!

Devs "we're running out of ideas for fallout what can we do?" God Howard "Just do some more shit with the brotherhood" Devs "don't you think people might be getting sick of the brotherhood?" God Howard "No people love when I fuck with the lore"

This is either gonna be about the lore, the length, the mediocrity and predictability of the story, the bugs, or all of the above