The Family Proclamation In An Anti-Family Culture - feat. Hayden and Savannah Paul 

Since converting in 2021, my politics have shifted dramatically. Living the Gospel has opened my eyes to the overwhelming perversion of truths we deal with in the world. I feel like "empathy" is being used as a weapon these days. If you don't show the correct levels of tolerance and acceptance (both words which meanings have been stretched and twisted) then you are cast out as an evil pariah. I was led to believe that promiscuity was power. I was led to believe that posioning yourself with drugs and alcohol was normal. That you are not normal if you don't partake... Becoming a mother and wife, and truly leaning into my femininity saved my life. And Jesus Christ, of course!

The more I learn about child development and men and women the stronger a testimony of the family proclamation I get.

Being a Mother is the highest calling a woman can have. THE END!

Things have changed. When I was an LDS kid growing up in the East coast of the US, trying to live the gospel, the mockery from the great and spacious building was "goody two shoes" (which I was a little proud of 🙂). And my friends, 95% were not LDS but were religious, were all respectful and even protective of my beliefs. Nowadays, still just trying to live the gospel, I hear people like me being called judgemental, intolerant, unkind, and even not knowing or understanding how God loves His children. So, I usually try to stay under the radar. But now my husband and I are on a mission and wear His name proudly on our chest. We may not be perfect, but we do do know how much God loves all His children, because we feel it EVERY SINGLE DAY!

Thank you Greg, Hayden & Savannah, the world needs more of us speaking up. Doing my part in our ward.

These two give me hope. Rising leaders of the church.

Becoming one is not becoming the same! I love that 😊

I love how they are embracing the standards from the Family Proclamation. You are both so awesome! The family is the most important thing. Thank you for setting a great example to other people.

Being a mom of 5 kids and being home available to them always and not working outside of the home focusing on making money but allowing my husband to fulfill that role has created a balanace in our home that I know is inspired by God. My choice to be home and have 5 kids isnt considered normal now. People are surprised when they learn this about me. Our society would be better off under that dynamic that God has towards building and raising families with balance. Our choices brought the consequences that has given me a confirmation of God's plan for families and that we have to figure that out keeping in mind everyone has different circumstances. I know our circumstances can change, that's why I value education that I pursued and graduated from B.Y.U. 24 years ago but I admit my favorite degree that I feel I've earned is a P.H.D in M.O.M. 😊

I just have to comment on how refreshing this podcast has been. The goal of my life was to be a wife and mother and I struggled. My children are raised and now as a grandmother I am in awe of what my grandchildren who some are the ages of this couple are up against as parents. So many great points were made. A firm foundation is the key. Hayden, thank you for your honestly about your struggle. It is real and so great you see it for what it is. Having had my own things over the years I have battled with, I know having a safe and supportive place to share makes all the difference. I worry about the trends of the world and how our children are going to face them. I believe we are blessed with a very strong generation coming up because their battles are real and you as parents will be very creative in your approach to teaching and the children will benefit as they stay strong. Their relationship with the Savior will be their anchor. You as parents are their first examples of Him. I am so encouraged by listening to you. Savannah, we women do need each other to face these challenges. We save a lot of money because we are each other's therapy sessions as we share our struggles. I love what you both said about supporting your roles as a man and a woman. Years ago I remember a girlfriend of mine and I sharing some time together as moms. Neither of us worked and she said to me, "Debbie, you know it won't be long and there will be a time coming when couples will be convinced that it takes two incomes to support a family." It happened and daycares grew and parents divorced at high rates. We all know the rest of the story. Bravo and bless you for standing strong and not adopting the "gray" in your marriage. Stay strong and let's do this again. Thank you Greg. I love listening in to both your podcasts. I can never get enough!

I moved from Utah last year in part because there were so many members of the church who affirm the LGBTQ++++ lifestyle. It was really bad in the ward I moved from. The young women’s presidency in the ward would do gender neutral activities. They were not teaching the importance of womanhood to those young women. My wife went to the bishop several times expressing her frustrations. It’s unfortunate, but the church is not in a good state in many wards in Utah.

To Greg's question about Utah not being able to withstand adversity. Living in CA during Prop 8, we were asked by the Church to donate, hold signs, make phone calls, send letters, etc. And many of us did, and we lost jobs, friends, etc. Our church buildings and temples were vandalized, etc. We sacrificed a lot to stand for the family. Not much later, we saw many (not all) Utah members of the church participating in Pride parades, etc. I realized they never would have survived doing what we did in CA.

Sometimes there are episodes that I wish I could give more than one like. This is one of them.

I am retired and do family history all day, except for when I’m at the temple. Our answers Thursday did half eight 1012 children, but there was a lot of heartache because they would have a child and then three years later two years later at birth the child would die. If they could get that child passed the age of eight years old they pretty much had made then they would live to be 87 to 90 years old. But boy getting them out and getting them to the age of eight was really tough to keep them alive.

This is a topic that I have been following for a while. There are a number of Non-LDS voices that are saying interesting and important things A recent documentary 'Birth Gap' has brought out how many women who wanted children didn't have them because they waited too long to start looking for the relationship they would need to have to start a family.

Thank you for such a great episode! I have struggled with so many principles and teachings in the Family Proclamation in the past and have gained a testimony of its truth. I think it's interesting that the Proclamation was taught much more 25+ years ago but it's needed more today than ever. Unfortunately, I haven't heard even one lesson focusing on the Family Proclamation in ward meetings in over 15 years.

10 children, 48 grandchildren, 19 great-grandchildren, along with my sweet husband, who for the last year has watched over us in the world of spirits. I love to draw, to sculpt, to study, to learn. I have deeply appreciated the opportunity to stay home with my children, to teach, to sculpt heroes from scripture, to have a book published, (soon republished), and to travel to many countries in this world. All of that is awesome. But NOTHING brings me greater joy, deeper gratitude, and more fulfillment than my family. Love this great young couple.

I was taught in government schools and raised in a gospel centered home by my parents who were both return missionaries and converts. Sadly, there was still too much worldly influence that filtered in through school. My wife and I were led to home school with our first of four children when my wife lost her job. We made the sacrifices including me working a 2nd and 3rd job to provide. Today we have been blessed for that decision and our children are taught the gospel with less of the world in their lives. The Proclamation teaches parents are primarly responsible to rear, care and teach their children. “Be not conformed to this world” (Romans 12:2), “For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God” (1 Corinthians 3:19). “Beware, lest any man spoil you … after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ” (Colossians 2:8).

Thank you all for a wonderful video. One of the very best!

I love this interview, we need more couple interviews. Thank you for being willing to share your testimonies!

Along with the wonderful proclamation, we have the words of our Prophet I AM A CHILD OF GOD. A CHILD OF THE COVENANT AND SO ON. WE ARE SO BLESSED.

I think what Savannah was saying is that Men and Women should complement one another instead of compete with one another.

Greg, You just asked your guests if they are being taught about “exaltation.” My response is: If they are attending the temple regularly, and receiving the endowment instruction there; then, YES!!!, they-and the rest of us (doing likewise)-are being taught the centrality of Exaltation in The Great Plan of Happiness, and in the Doctrine of Christ! I’m sure this couple IS doing that. May we all DO what our prophet is inviting us to do-as often as our circumstances permit.

I love these two guests. Such strong examples in these dark times. Both of them are so talented too. If you haven't watched the Stick of Joseph Christmas special they did - look it up right now. Incredibly well done and so uplifting. And there's nothing wrong with a little Christmas in July. ;-)

I am attending BYU-I for Marriage and Family Studies. I plan to be a Life Coach that encourages marriage. I think this video would be a must for my clients.

What a beautiful couple and example of what God wants us to be. Your children are so blessed to have you as parents. May the Lord bless you and your precious children in these troubling times. Great program. ❤️❤️❤️🙏👑

Excellent interview. We raised our 4 children with the Lords formula and now our children are raising our grandchildren in the same way. It's the most important thing you can do in this life!

She nailed it when she said…trendy or truth❤️

I have always believed that mothers needed to be home with their children. I have not always been a model Mom, but I did know there were certain things and precepts that my children needed to know. (I converted to the church midlife, and even then many things were made clearer to me.) I thank my Heavenly Father that my children keep the commandments, raise their children with wholesome values (amazingly) even though I was not perfect, I think the difference was made for my children BECAUSE I converted to the RESTORED Gospel. (together with my being there for them in the home while they were growing up). They are not active members, but with faith I think they will come around when the truth becomes apparent to them, however they do abstain from drugs and alcohol, pray in the home with the family, go to their church...conservative in politics and viewpoints.

Children get in the way of what you want. That’s true. But since when is what you want reliably what is good for you?!

I love this couple! This topic is so important. I just found The stick of Joseph channel recently and loved it! (Andrea W) was the episode and it was fascinating! I highly recommend it!

I love these two so much!! I'm so grateful they were willing to boldly share things that are not popular but are true. Something they said was an answer to prayer for me (a second witness). Absolutely beautiful. ❤️

Beautiful couple, you have your hearts right. Our rights given of God is so beautiful. We had 7 our greatest gift.i stayed home and it was so rewarding Carol

The House of the Lord in Bountiful, which is part of every endowment instruction presentation, has a golden symbol of yin and yang in each endowment room towards the top of each pillar.

It's time to cannonize the Proclamation! Your interview with Andrew Young is still the classic episode on the family.

It’s ironic when I hear women say I am just a mom. Please understand there are women who didn’t take the opportunity to be just a mom that regret that life decision. I am one of those women. I listened more to the world and have so much regret. But am so thankful to be heading in the right direction now and hopefully can influence my grandchildren.

Those two paintings sounds remarkable. Never seen them.

I love to think of exaltation as what am I becoming? Am I modeling my Savior, my Heavenly Parents, am I striving to become like Them? If we think of “meriting” Christ’s grace, the only thing we can do is come follow Him. And we follow Him into exaltation. It’s all about becoming! What a lovely young couple who already realize what becoming means.

As a Father of 6 kids and 5 “step” children and 3 additional children, I have found that having monthly parenting-Child discussions about these things has been incredibly helpful.

I remember the first time I read the Family Proclamation I said to myself, “ya, obviously”. That was before the world really started spinning out of control with gender confusion, and masculine/feminine roles. Now I know it was inspired because of what the world was soon to endure.

I can't remember exactly where i heard it, but there's this saying is I'm a mom i can do anything.

Great episode. I shared it with my young married kids. Love this!

I’m bookmarking this episode just so I can listen to Greg say “badass” again 😎

Greg, my understanding is very limited but I have always equated exaltation to "eternal progression". Elder Bruce R. McConkie taught this principle at a stake conference many years ago. Paraphrasing here, but in essence he said that what ever direction we are going at the time we leave this life is the direction you will continue in the eternal realm. If you are 'striving' to progress and repent, you will continue to progress and change throughout eternity. But if you are not striving to progress and repent then your progression will be stopped (damned). What he taught that night has helped me keep focused on the striving to progress and trusting in the atonement rather than having to be "perfect" at everything I do.

Multigenerational families and true relief society community are needed to raise the next generation.

Wow, that was amazing thank you Hayden and Savannah, you two are a special couple and are wiser than your years. I am so glad and encouraged to see younger couples in the church wanting to understand Christ and follow his teachings even though it is become difficult these days. Thank you Greg for having them on the show it was a great episode.

No other success can compensate for failure in the home .

Love it, “Grey pool of lukewarm discipleship”

One of your best "shows" Greg. Very refreshing to see a young couple embracing The Proclamation on the Family and striving to raise this next generation with this and the Gospel as their foundation. I'm in the "sex, drug, rock & role" era also. I hate to sound like an old' lady but what's going on now makes our era look mild!!! Keep up the good work, all 3 of you!

Openness is important. I am very open with my kids. We have many dinner conversations, and they know how I feel about the values of the world.

hard-times builds strong men. I'm afraid that we are in for some very hard times before we come out of this mess.

Easily one of my favorite episodes thanks to all!

11:14 "That's what I want." Its easy to be a voice for traditional roles when traditional roles is what you want or what you are capable of doing.

LOVE THEM thanks for introducing me!!!

This was a wonderful discussion. Great lessons fortified.

I think that if you look at the Yin and Yang model it is to show completeness and unity. That is how God intended it to be. We need each other to be who we are meant to be in eternity.

You guys are amazing!

Nice young couple. We home schooled our children. One of the best decisions we made. I would never allow society to mold my children or be ther main influence

Not only do we not hear much about exaltation these days, but we also hear very little about eternal progression.

Wish I could have heard this when I was a young father.

Your countenances are the ultimate masculine and feminine. Beautiful and awesome!

Great Interview.

Well done!

This is beautiful. I hope the couple can stand strong when the real snakes come. I wish I understood how great toddlerhood was. Teenagers are the real challenge. Their challenges are yet to come. But their foundation will make all the difference when do come

Loved this. I first married a believing man that didn’t want to live that strong masculine leadership role. I’m now married to a non believer that fills that masculine role perfectly, but without God. The ideal is we all have both, but I have found that if I have to choose between a man that believes in ideologies and won’t protect his home and family from falsehood, and a man that doesn’t believe in ideologies and WILL defend his home and family from dangerous ideology, it is safer with the latter. Supporting the gender woo is allowing your family to bow to the false gods of our day and so destructive to our kids and families. Strong believing men that will stand up to it are so rare around me. It’s too scary trying to do it alone so I’m grateful for my heathan husband at my side. 😊

Such a profound statement: Sex, Drugs, and Rock and Roll was never presented as virtusous.. The new sins of "gender fluidity" and "girl power" ("corporte woman" vs "stay at home mom") are all promoted as virtuous and truth.

Since we are eternal being and everlasting it will be unfair and selfish if we don't give life to others so that they can also experience joy of coming to existence just the way we were offering from our heavenly parents develop into the nature of their spirit, image and likeness and endowed with power to know then our agency came to pass because of the Devin power was transferred to us from our premortal spirit development and birth .the same way our body develop in the womb the same way our spirit developed in the womb of our heavenly mother.God will never give us any thing or practice that has never existed he reveal to us things how they are.mortal life is primary school were we learn the basic this life it has all the questions and answers of eternity.and who heavenly father is.

33:40 is why we don’t teach exaltation because we don’t want to risk offending people on the margins? We done want to make single parents or single individuals feel excluded or people in the non ideal family excluded. We are so fearful as a society if excluding people that we would rather teach the rest bear version of the gospel than risk someone leaving the church or disagree with us

10:22 amen.

Good episode - was very thought provoking. Sounds like this couple has it all figured out. Would be interesting to hear from them again. in 30 years When their kids are all grown up. God can help us but remember that your children have agency and the fact that you think you have it all figured out probably means that you don't.

I love the yin and yang symbol as well, the divine feminine keys to mortality held by Eve the mother of all living and the masculine keys to immortality held by our Savior Jesus Christ are perfectly embodied in it. To me it also depicts the fruit of both trees in the garden of Eden and the hands holding each piece of fruit that draws souls through the veil into mortality and immortality in one great eternal round. ❤

We know that satan declares himself to be the god of this world, the earthly world, and as such the worlds ideologies are his the best thing we can do is learn the ideologies of God thru scripture study and study of the teachings of the prophets and apostles

It can also be argued that our extravagant lifestyles, vanity, wealth and pride are so out of balance in the church with mostly white members, men are being pressured to engage in mostly non-meaningful work or provide increasingly meaningless things for the family. Men are exhausted and quitting. We can't afford to have families with the "standard of living" the Mormon culture is pressuring Mormons to have. The church requires more and more time away from the family while also saying a "good Mormon family" has a comfy job, 2 semi comfy cars, comfy nice clothes, comfy furnishings, comfy TV's, a plethora of comfy shoes, comfy carpet, comfy kitchen, comfy processed food full of chemicals, comfy 401K, comfy medical insurance, comfy car insurance, comfy dental insurance, comfy PTO. We are white washed tombs in the church. I don't care what anyone says. We care way more about how we appear than being honest and saying what's on our hearts. This culture of capitalism and consumerism is killing families. Our priorities are completely off. The church is not living like the Book of Mormon commands at all. We are Condemned. Look up the definition of that word. D&C declares this church under condemnation and it has not been rescinded.

17:29 Are you claiming toxic masculinity is not real or not a concern? How would you describe someone like Andrew Tate? Toxic masculinity involves harmful behaviors and attitudes such as suppressing emotions (except anger), aggressive dominance, devaluation of women, homophobia, unnecessary risk-taking, and rejecting vulnerability. These behaviors often lead to mental health issues, relationship problems, and the perpetuation of gender inequality. Healthy masculinity combines traditional masculine traits like strength and resilience with emotional awareness, respect, and empathy. It encourages men to express a full range of emotions, view vulnerability as a strength, treat everyone with equality, and build supportive relationships. This balanced approach promotes better mental health, healthier relationships, and a more equitable society, showing that masculinity includes being emotionally intelligent, respectful, and caring.

We need to emphasize having children even more. I’m a southerner and none of my Protestant friends have kids and I’m 30. It’s insanity. After 35 a woman’s chances of having a severe birth defect for her child rapidly increases.

Bring on Tim Ballard next.

Be civil sounds like Satan is controlling you.

There are all sorts of family definitions or individual choices. I know personally two gay couples that are awesome. One couple adopted a child. I’m also different as I never married until almost 60. Marriage was just something I never wanted. Why do I continue to hear LDS folks act like their way is the best way. It’s the biggest turn off of the faith (I’ve never been Mormon)