The Fanatic (Dead Meat Podcast #85) 

As someone who has autism, but also have an autistic brother, I’ve seen parts of this film and I do agree that this depiction can be seen as harmful and I’m glad you guys talked about it (also I loved hearing Rachel’s opinion) and you guys did a great job explaining the topic!

It warms my heart every time they say “ We’re engaged and we like to get scared together “ they 100% deserve each other.

the security officer is just “magical helpful old black man” trope we commonly see in film. only it’s usually done slightly more tastefully. here he literally shows up exactly when the plot demands and only says exactly what needs to be said before leaving the movie for good.

imho in the case of movies like split - id absolutely say specifying the disorder is much more dangerous than just saying "ok, this character is ambiguously crazy" (though, typically this refers to psychotic/schizophrenia spectrum disorders) but speaking as someone with DID that particular movie + other movies that namedrop DID/"MPD" have negatively impacted my life in terms of peoples perception of my disorder and likely my diagnostic process as well. so there's my two cents on that

Having recently been fired and going through an incredibly rough point in my life, Dead Meat has been a huge anchor in keeping my head above water. I’ve been on a binge, rewatching old videos and podcasts, even rewatching old live-streams. The comforting atmosphere James and Chelsea provide honestly make the channel feel like a second home to me. Thanks for being here and keep making the amazing content you do.

Most people on the spectrum only become violent towards themselves when they have meltdowns due to being unable to process and communicate their emotions, and the only time someone on spectrum would really be violent towards another person is if they were having a meltdown and someone got in their space when they didn’t want them to, and they might push them away or hit them. In general though, violence is more common in children because it’s even harder for them to communicate compared to what those on the spectrum learn as they grow up. (This comes from someone with asd who would bang her head into the wall and, sometime still, punches herself while having meltdowns but has never been violent towards another person)

As a female with ASD it was hard to be diagnosed because of the stereotypical way Autism is portrayed since it's predominatly male orientated & females mostly present completely differently. This is weird timing since I've just met my 9 year old cousin for the first time & She's Autistic as well & I could see a lot of me in her

Travolta has had 5 movies in a row with a 0% rating on RT lol now that's a record worth having

I love how Lucy has no issue with brushing up against Chelsea’s neck and chest. She don’t care about no damn podcast she just loves her human❤️

"Why isn't this John Trovolta stalking John Trovolta" You guys should watch Enemy by Denis Villeneuve, If you haven't!

I really like that you guys wanna have the conversation about mental health in horror films. I'm bipolar and horror happens to be my favorite genre, but sometimes I dislike the portrayal of mental health disorders. We're all very dynamic and I wish horror would reflect that. Thanks again, guys!

Hey, as an autistic person you handled the explanation super well!! I hated this movie but I 100% agree it was hilarious in a weird way because its insane and stupid and wild. Thank you for spending so much time talking about it in the beginning!!

thank you for this. i have adhd and a lot of my friends have autism and asperbergers. i have hyperfixations (your guys’ channel is one of them) and i have NEVER let that sway my actions or my personal relationships. the portrayal in this movie is very very tone deaf

No one's gonna talk about how this movie is about a Hunter attacking a Moose? No? Alright.

As a fan on the spectrum, I am so appreciative of your kindness, and ability to go into this movie the way you did. Not going to lie, I almost cried during parts at the beginning as I don't usually see this kind of tolerance for people on the spectrum. It really did have an impact on me.

Fred Durst was in the movie Be Cool (Get Shorty sequel) with John Travolta. Boom leg work done.

What did Fred Durst tell the cameraman on set? KEEP ROLLIN ROLLIN ROLLIN ROLLIN!

I love how this film made so little revenue, the Wikipedia page on it shows it down to the ones digit.

I love how quickly they derail into talking about Limp Bizkit for awhile at the beginning. mood

the moment they have to let their fans feel comfortable at 25:00 is very heart warming and solidifies my appreciation for these two lovely folks

32:50 Wes Borland is the guitarist of Limp Bizkit, Sam Rivers is the bassist

Yo guys, I love your work and I really appreciate the thoughtfulness and nuance you brought to this. As someone on the autism spectrum, I was definitely caught in the middle between "this movie is fucking hilarious" and "this movie sucks" - it's definitely frustrating to see these sort of depictions in media, especially knowing that a lot of people tend to view these stereotypes as truth. You both bring such a level of compassion and mindfulness to what you discuss, and I'm glad to see such good people in the horror fandom. Keep up the good work!

Me during the podcast: :) Me whenever Lucy enters the frame: :D

I feel like Travolta is just playing Lenny from "Of Mice and Men."

43:19 I think this is one of those "Laurel vs Yanny" situations. To me, it sounds like she's saying "Danny", but slightly under her breath, making it sound like "Tanner" a bit.

I've been wanting to buy a pin from your shop for a while now, and the be good people one finally sealed the deal for me! It's a motto I've always loved, and with a diabetic dad the fact it's all going to charity is just amazing. Thank you guys so much for just being good people!

"The Year of Our Lord 2019"-Chelsea The Tickler

"You have this maimed... moose" - James arguably the best Dead Meat quote to use out of context

John trovolta needed a paycheck to keep paying for them ridiculous Scientology classes

Yeah, I'm autistic and have decided to sit this movie out. In every other sense, it looks like something I would love, but I don't feel like I want more cruel and wrong ideas of what being autistic is like in my life.

Holy smokes devon actually DOES look like Daniel Craig in this. I couldnt decide who he looked like while watching it but that is 100% dead on.

There Is an incredibly good film out there that focuses on the points you brought up (about youtubers and social boundaries and obsessed fans) it's called 'Ingrid Goes West' starting Aubrey Plaza and it isnt a horror film but it is horrifying-ly scary in the sense that it feels like it could happen and is definitely worth a watch if you have a spare hour and a half. Keep up the good work! 👋

I’m noticing a “Ready or Not” blu ray in the background👀👀👀

The point about social media influencers made me think of Perfect Blue, you guys should totally talk about it

as an autistic person i wanted to thank you both for being so respectful and insightful. chelsea’s sisters experience was a nice new point of view. i was a bit worried before listening to this about how this would be handled, but you both made me feel safe and respected, so thank you again.

Devin Sawa was in the final destination so there's another horror connection

You should do a podcast to determine which of the 'Golden Chainsaw' Recipients is the best of the best deaths so far and which of the 'Dull Machete' Recipients is the worst death in the kill count series.

What a great podcast! I love listening to the two of you. You're entertaining, thoughtful and insightful. As to your inquiry about whether it's better to depict someone is generally crazy or with a particular mental condition, I believe if you're going to portray the condition you have to do it accurately or else you risk creating a misconception that harmfully and unjustly labels people living with such a condition in a negative light. Keep up the great work!

I have Asperger's, which is similar to Autism. So thanks for the heads up. What I thought, however, about that was that Travolta had a son who was autistic, so it kinda hits home for him.

Minor correction: Wes Borland was the guitarist, not bassist, for Limp Bizkit. A reasonably creative one too considering his peers in the nu-metal world.

That mini essay about Travolta's portrayal was well said. I have a younger brother with autism, and am always semi skeptical when it comes to portrayal in films or television.

Just wanna say thanks to you (James and Chelsea) for covering this in a nice and entertaining way and thank you for defending us on the spectrum

Not sure if yuh guys will see this but I saw Chelsea's twitter feed and figured I'd give some praise where I felt some was due. Your guys podcast is quite honestly my favorite part of the channel. I've always loved horror but all the research done for these episodes has made me feel so much more knowledgable about films in general and I notice things that I never noticed before in new movies and films that I've already seen. I mean I do love that you guys do a mix between serious and then just being goofy but what I love most is coming out of the podcast with all this new knowledge on the horror genre as a whole. Its because of this channel that I learned of Carol glovers novel which I went and bought a copy of and in my last year of school used and cited for many of my schools newspaper articles for the entertainment column. This channel has also helped me learn that film is something that I thoroughly enjoy and would love to go into myself. So those who are being over dramatic and saying this that and the other about the podcast I dont feel understand the actual work and thought that's put into it. They're not just flimsy reviews. Their thorough critiques which I love because I've never heard you guys be completely negative in a film even in the ones you hate I've heard you find some good in which I feel many do not do. Anyways though, I hope people on the internet start to change their perspective on your guys podcast and I can't wait for the next episode!

Ok I am addicted to these podcasts. I tried to save this one for later because I like to listen to them while I shower or do stuff around the house, but now I am sitting here watching it all the while telling myself that "I´ll watch it for one more minute and then close it" and I just realised that yep, that´s not gonna happen, I am officially stuck. Better yet, I should be studying hahahaha

Someone do a super-cut of every time that cat (name?) comes and chills with Chelsea. I'll seriously give you 5 bucks.

I just wanted to say, even though youtube alerted me about the upload over an hour late- I love the Kill Count series

Devon Sawa: James: _STRIKE POSES WITH ME!!_ ゴゴゴゴ

I’m here from the hilariocity. This is the movie that dragged Chris out of his slump, so atleast its good for something.

31:36 I’m in the basement doing laundry while listening and the sound I made when Chelsea said “chocolate starfish and hot dog water cocktails” summoned my dog to my rescue 😂 He’s at the top of the stairs demanding I show myself and prove I don’t need his help 😂

when james said “danny tanner” lmao, one of the only real laughs i’ve had in a while.❤

One of my favorite bands is Black Light Burns. It is Wes Borland's band. Their first album was produced by Danny Lohner (from Nine Inch Nails). Also, they did an album called Lotus Island, which is a soundtrack replacement for the first 40 minutes of Jodorowsky's Holy Mountain.

John Travolta and his late wife spoke in the past about their late son, Jett, having Autism...I assume it was a formal diagnosis but I remember hearing about that multiple times over the last decade. Not saying this was a good depiction or anything (trust me), but with this in mind I'd like to think he didn't "just Google symptoms/characteristics of Autism."

Hey i really want to say i love this channel so much and thank you so much for all of your videos ❤️❤️❤️

James saying "Whatever, you can like a movie" in the most begrudging possible tone was my favorite part of the video. Also, I looked and IMDB says the kid is Danny. However (bear in mind, I haven't seen this movie), in that clip you showed I heard "Tanny", which I guess could be short for Tanner? I don't know.

I love you guys. Am I weird for listening to the podcast on my way to work earlier and watching the video now? 😂

I'll take "Movies I've Never Heard Of" for $100, Alex. 😀

"You've been Michael Myersd" made me lose my shit lmao

But this isn't a horror movie. This is a goddamn comedy. And this is coming from someone with Asperger's.

The only thing I remembered about Fred Durst, after Limp Biscuit, he was in "Population 436." This movie freaks me out because my first actor crush was on Devon Sawa. Of course, I was 13 or 14.

Hey, James. I loved the 'Wishmaster' Podcast episode.

You guys are great, i always look forward to your posts

"Guided Aged Biscuit" and "Big Beautiful Friend" and "You've been Jigsawed - Game Over" is all I ever wanted.

20:43 "i just have thoughts going through my head" me too :/

I’m going to a field trip early in the morning and I saw dead meat pop up and guess what I’m watching now🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🤣😄

these two may be the perfect couple, congrats on the engagement :)

17:15 It's a very important distinction to be made. As an easy example, I watch all ya'lls videos as they come out, I rewatch episodes of the kill count and podcast all the time, and if I was able to get ya'lls signatures, it would mean as much to be as the broadway performer signatures I have on my playbills. But that's just like. Appreciation for what you guys do, and your talent. Same thing for horror in general, I'm fixated and keep coming back because I appreciate what its doing, but the idea of these sorts of things happening in real life would obviously horrify me, because those are real people getting hurt, not dummies and life casts. The sort of obsession that makes one do things that would hurt others, as long as they know that would hurt others, is different, I think.

So happy this movie made 3000$ I'd hate for this kind of negative representation of autism to be widespread.

John Travolta was co-starring with Devon Sawa in a movie a few years ago called Life on the Line with Kate Beckinsale

One and a half years of watching Dead Meat.

I can’t talk right now, I got to poo.

I'm 34 years old and I was diagnosed with autism a few months ago. I had to check out this review again.

your wedding is gonna be THE EVENT!

John Travolta and Devon Sawa worked together on a movie called "Life on the Line" back in 2015, so I'm guessing that's how they met each other for this film.

Oh and thanks guys. It's been 48 hours now and I haven't stopped listening to Chocolate Starfish. YEAH.

All dad chairs are disgusting --- DM podcast, 2019

James! You have to do a “Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark” kill count.

i know this is years old but i HAVE to mention that, like this movie, the adventures of sharkboy & lavagirl begins with a quote from lavagirl herself

I love your channel. I used to hate horror and your vids got me in to it thank you. Keep up the good content.

Finally a podcast I'm excited about!!!

Hey James and Chelsea! Question, I usually listen to your podcast on Google podcasts, does that help you guys, monetization-wise? Or do you prefer us listening on another app/platform?

This film almost pushed me to tears, I felt so sad for Moose

Hell yes another Dead Meat show.

Having a son with asd I can tell you everyone on the spectrum is different my son has speech delay and he does not completely understand people's feelings. As always love the podcast. Cool idea horror games that would make cool movies or TV series.

Fun fact, we did a show with Wes Borland's group at a show in KC, and he was a class-act and super cool to the other bands, but once he got on stage he absolutely ripped it apart. Was, like....Bizkit + NIN, and was an awesome set. (Certainly didn't hurt that we covered "Terrible Lie" prior to it; he seemed to enjoy it.) Dude loses his mind when it comes to performing, but in the GOOD way. Like, "leave it all on the table so people walk away amazed at what they just heard", with a bit of theatrics. (He wasn't full-blown makeup at the time, but he definitely fed into the crowd, and vice versa.)

Guess I'm gonna get my Dead Meat soaked in Liquid Death.

Hey James, I was wondering if you could do a KILL COUNT of *I Still Know What You Did Last Summer* with Jennifer Love Hewitt?

Im on the spectrum, from what I've seen in this film, it portrays a very face value depiction of autism rather than actually exploring it in a sensible way

She did say "Danny" in that clip, not "Tanner," although I can see how it could have been misheard.

This podcast has Big "Respects the Boulevard" Energy

John Travolta doing a Mr Blonde reference is actually a reference to the fact that his character in Pulp Fiction is the brother of Vic Vega from Reservoir Digs

I mean we have no choice but to be great with you always telling us to "Be good people"

I bought this movie on Blu-Ray on the strength of Chris Stuckman's review. I had so much fun.

I'm in the spectrum and I'm so so so happy how you guys talked about it at the beginning 👏🏻💛

You should be on Hot Ones James.

"I want to play faith at our wedding" "FUCK YEAH" I love you guys. Also Limp Bizkit was so solid for 3 years, RIP lol P.s. As a father of two autistic children I appreciate the amount of care that you two put into discussing this, as opposed to just jumping into it and laughing at the perceived "stereotypical" autistic person. It is rather unfortunate that Hollywood cares more about portraying gender/sexuality accurately, but just doesn't seem to care about accurately portraying those mental and social disorders. Love you guys keep it up.

Preface - I have not seen this movie, however, I have been diagnosed with autism, and I do not think I could watch it without being extremely offended by Travolta's portrayal of someone with ASD. The problem I find with Hollywood's depictions of ASD is that they treat it like an illness (incidentally, please don't refer to ASD traits as symptoms, again it implies illness) it's not, our brains' are just wired differently, so they just work differently! ASD is something that you can't just throw into a movie as a catch-all explanation for a character's behaviour; if they're going to have a real world diagnosis there should be an accurate portrayal to back it up. Sorry for the rant, I'm not wanting to have a go at James and Chelsea, I adore the podcast, it's really helping me through the lock down because my routine is so thrown out. Keep up the fantastic work :)

Chelsea's face when James says "We've met tons of fans, and they're all awesome..."

Who else knows the intros so well by heart?

Hey James you should review the house that jack built!

43:17 My theory as to the kid’s name is that Hunter’s ex-wife said Tanny. Tanny MIGHT be a nickname for Tanner but that raises the question of why. EDIT: I checked names.org (one of my favourite sites) and only 187 people in the US since 1880 have had the legal name Tanny. I checked here because there’ll always be people who give their kids nicknames for actual names, just ask my aunt Tilly. So I scrolled down to Related Names to see if Tanner shows up. Nada. Tannny shows up, people have named their kids Tannny but never call Tanners Tanny. I even checked out Tanner’s Related Names and nothing. www.names.org/n/tanny/about www.names.org/n/tanner/about