"Fans can become obsessed and develop a parasocial relationship" Me, to my good buddies Mike and Jay: Hahaha that is so true. Would you guys care for another beer?
How jay is shocked by mike’s opinion on John Travolta’s acting makes me think that they sit in silence until this recording and that’s hilarious to me.
When the RLM behind the scenes documentary is made, we'll learn that Jay and Mike are bitter rivals who never speak to each other off camera. In fact, Mike is the William Shatner of RLM and everyone hates him, but they'll all make up years later. Everyone except Jay that is. Like Takei he's taking it to the grave.
@@Bale4BondYeah, it's from Hamlet. The guy who said it is an idiot who won't shut up. He goes on for like 20 more minutes talking about the 'arms and legs' of wit.
@@banjotoothlessbillRandom Guy: Mr Travolta, Mr Travolta! Sir! Another person has seen your film. Travolta: I told them it was worth paying Red Letter Media to review my Magnus Opus.
Great Nathan Rabin quote: “The Fanatic never explicitly establishes exactly what is going on with Moose neurologically so Travolta plays him as someone who doesn’t possess a mental illness but rather all of them. It’s as if Travolta went to a mental hospital and decided to adopt the tics and mannerisms of everyone he encountered, even the staff and the visitors. “
@@jimmypadilla3441 Manic behavior. Schizophrenics tend to jump from subject to subject, which Travolta shows as he goes from playing with antlers to banging on a piano.
It's not really autistic either. Autistic adults can show almost no signs of autism, not to mention that high intelligence people also have some autistic tendencies and they're actually pretty common with a huge part of people having some form of behaviourism derived from them. Autism's not really even a sickness and considered by some as the next stage of evolution.
@@TheAlmightyLoli A state of mania is different from Logorrhea. Being in a manic state is just to be excessively excitable or having a massively excessive amount of energy. The switching from subject to subject I would say is more like Logorrhea, though I think even that is the wrong term. Word salad also doesn't fit because the sentences he is saying have a common subject most of the time.
One thing I find funny is how Devon Sawa, who is playing a celebrity dealing with an insane homicidal fan in this movie, was also the guy who played the titular insane homicidal fan in the music video for "Stan". It took almost 20 years, but he finally got to play both parts.
20:56: Mike references a mostly forgotten Wesley Snipes film. Jay references some obscure bizarre German film. Yep, that sums up their personalities perfectly.
I'm surprised they didn't go into more of a comparison of The Fan, considering the overall plot is the same: an obsessed sports fan tries to insert himself into a baseball player's life with murderous results.
Fun fact about the "regal" character played by Rosie O'Donnell. She's a real person, and lives in Reading Pa. The locals here know her as the "Furby Lady". When I was in high school, I worked at a local Wendy's. I ran the cash register at the time. One day the "Furby Lady" came in and wanted to order. But before she came up to the counter, she moved 3 tables side by side along with 8 chairs to fit each spot. She then took her backpack off and place it on 1 of the chairs & proceeded to reach in and pull out Furby after Furby until all 7 furbys were placed in each chair, leaving one chair for herself to sit in. Once she had settled them in, she came up to the counter and wanted to place an order. I shit you not...she ordered 1 baked potato with the container half filled with water and demanded a straw be poked through each potato so that it could reach the water below. Not only did we accommodate her, we also served each one to her and her furbys and left them to enjoy their meal. Long story short, she got pissed off at the furbys for not eating their meals, got loud and angry about it, grounded each and every one of them with a scolding, packed them back into her bag and returned to the counter asking for a refund (which we gave her) all while apologizing for the furbys behavior. She then left the building and took the bus back home (I'm assuming). Years down the line, I was working at blockbuster. I used to have to take the bus to get out to 5th Street highway. I get on the bus and start feeding my $2 for the bus fare and the whole time I'm doing this, I hear a baby just whaling and crying, it was insanely loud. I turn around to walk back and take a seat and I see the "Furby Lady" sitting in a seat up front with a mechanical stuffed panda on her lap...except the panda was the whaling baby that I initially heard. She was consoling it like a mother to a new born. Needless to say...my mind was blown.
Two further facts about this adds more mystery to it all. Travolta took the role in the first place as tribute for his son, who had autism and died in '09, and Travolta has said this Moose is his favourite character hes portrayed.
I spent six years working extensively with spectrum disorders. John Travolta reminds me of a very specific man I helped for about five months. It’s uncanny. He’s super uncomfortable to watch in this, but that man was super uncomfortable to work with. Robert DJ was right, you never go full regal. It’s way too hard to watch. People who don’t know this is what it can look like can’t comprehend it, and people who know it well see this and get stuck comparing it to the real world. There’s almost a subliminal effect, like going to a zoo and seeing violent predators in cages from a few feet away, you can watch peacefully enough, but you can never shake the feeling that there’s something wrong with the situation. The 4 year olds looking at the big cat would be a snack anywhere else. And the people watching the film wouldn’t be watching this closely anywhere else, they’d just try to ignore the person in order to prevent the embarrassment of all parties involved. Cinema makes it safe to be a voyeur, but with full regal, where the character isn’t clearly overcoming things in the world but is barely surviving them, people see something that has too much dissonance with what they’d tolerate watching in the real world to accept it on film.
I'm also late to the party, but that's interesting from my perspective on the other side of it, being on the spectrum with associated comorbid issues. Things like this film make me uncomfortable whether the disorders depicted are made explicit or not and even if done accurately/tastefully. Can be hard to watch as you say, yet I've also always had a sort of morbid fascination with it. I can't however get too bothered by how fair depictions are of autism especially. It's only been in the past decade or so that science and then the general public have started understanding it better. It's complex like anything to do with the brain and hard to make sense of the spectrum being, y'know, a spectrum. Anyway, thanks for sharing.
You're missing the key ingredient! If you want to make the sickliest blender pitch ever, don't forget to add Fred Durst to your mix! He's the curdling agent!
What about blending with Deep Rising's blender pitch? "Forrest Gump meets Aliens meets Die Hard meets Titanic meets Taxi Driver"--now THERE is a movie I'd watch
@@unscenegamers Oh you sweet, summer child, you should know hiring Rich Evans in your movie is basically the same thing as just printing money. High cost for even higher rewards
Hes actually a good director and producer tho. Hating Limp Bizkit is pretty 15 years ago. Go to any of their videos and look at the comments. It's now more popular to like them. (And for good reason imo) it just stick to cardi B or whatever.
@@Elementalofall there’s some charm to Fred durst and limp bizkit for sure especially now but I don’t think the op is so wrong for assuming a lack of quality. I mean we’re talking about the guy that screamed chocolate starfish into a microphone and made millions of dollars
18:35 Devon Sawa said on The Movie Crypt podcast that he improvised the Limp Bizkit scene in the car. Fred Durst had no intention of keeping that take in the final cut, but John Travolta's team had the final say in the editing room, and they decided to keep it in.
To be fair, that's exactly what Fred Durst **would** say... He knows that name dropping his own band in his own movie is the movie version of a band wearing their own shirts, so he has to misdirect on account of how shameful it is.
Wow that actually makes sense like when Jennifer Aniston when the blooper they all played the friends song and it was just a Inside joke I'm proud of Fred not doing that
Worked with special needs kids for about eight years, the rocking back and forth is pretty common. Most of the ones who did rock did not constantly do it, it was only when placed in situations where their anxiety rises and they just don't know what to do with themselves. There were definitely moments where I could see glimpses of some of my former students behaving in similar ways, though as an educator the goal is to try and set them up to be as independent as possible. Some are able to basically live alone with roommates, take the bus too and from work and are quite fine being on their own to some degree. The more independent they can be the better quality of life they're typically going to have, because in some cases for whatever reasons - their family may not be around for assistance.
I feel like a better narration choice that would make more sense would be if Moose himself was narrating instead of that girl, and sounding very serious and "True Hollywood Star-esque," how he thinks he himself sounds in his head because of how much he wants to be taken seriously as a performer...
You know, if that idea were taking seriously and with a lot of research, it could be an interesting look at the thought process of a fan like this and what comments/actions from himself or others influence him. Maybe there are already movies like that, though.
isn't that sorta similar to that one penn gillette movie where he kidnaps a woman and makes her do a movie with him? the same movie that the production company had to hold back because of the plinkett reviews
Actually, after DOCTOR Evans won his second Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor, he made a very public vow to never take on another "Digital" role. This statement was widely viewed by the Pre-Post-Post-Modern Filmtelligentsia as a statement of protest and solidarity after the needless and gruesome death of beloved "character actor" Ser Andrew Serkis - known by Filmthusiasts in every corner of Bunker Earth for his timeless and captivating performance in the paradigm-shifting "Avengers: Age of Ultron" from Pre-Great-End 2015. As every "Serkis Freak" knows, Ser Serkis tragically perished in 2021 when a "... mountain..." (B.J. Synger, "The Good Old Days" - 2024, Saint Bay's Press) of CGI procesor farms "... rained down like boulders," (Synger again) onto Ser Serkis following a critical Windows 12 meltdown and the subsequent studio-wide inferno. Doctor Evans and his historic oratory on the systemic, industry-wide and endemic abuse of so-called "CGI-Sluts" are now widely credited with kick-starting the "RGI" (Reality Generated Images) movent of 2022, spearheading the filmic rennaissance of the young directors' movement now known as the "NBRGI" period (Negative Budget Reality Generated Images) that would blossom following the Big End and the Great Subterranean Migration to Bunker Earth. In conclusion, Doctor Rich Evans would never agree to be a "CGI Slut" and his tenacity in fighting for this issue is estimated to have saved over 300 "digital performers'" lives. All Filmtelligentsients in every echoing cavern of Bunker Earth owe a tremendous debt to Dr. Rich Evans and your attempted joke is intrinsically paradoxical on a fundamental level to anyone who has spent even a modicum of time combing the Hall of Burnt Records for contemporary (and posthumous) sources on Dr. Evans' career.
they’ve lost too many Brain cells from all that drinking. No other explanation the movie is pure crap, the only person who manages to carry anything of value in it, is Devon Sawa.
@@sundownsupper7409 The videography is meh, we’re not dealing with any visionary or artistic visionaries here the fact that the film looks like a film is about the only real kudos it deserves.
@@mckenzie.latham91 more likely they are sick of talking about the next batch of superhero reboots crossovers prequels and sequels and are desperate for anything else that atleast resembles some sort of humanity. Its a sad day for cinema when a movie made by the limp bizkit singer is more interesting to discuss than the big box office movies
"We can't prove he killed the maid, we can't hold him on anything... we're gonna have to let him go." "Sir, forensics found this in his car." *gets handed limp bizkit album* "We can get him the chair if he doesn't pleed insanity."
This is one of the videos I come back and watch when I just need to relax my brain a bit. This and the review of Jack & Jill are my go-to videos for stress relief.
*John Travolta "regallly" messes up his lines multiple times* Assistant: Should we try again? Fred Durst: KEEP ROLLIN, ROLLIN, ROLLIN' ROLLIN' ROLLIN' ROLLIN'!
Now when ever I hear the word poppycock (which admittedly and thankfully is infrequent) I hear John Travolta saying it in my head and I need to suppress the urge to burst out laughing.
If I hear Paul McCartney or John Lennon in public, odds are I'm gonna start spouting "The Beatles are coming, the Beatles are coming" in his terrible accent
Well, yeah, but Pulp Fiction was a comeback role. Before that, he'd also been relegated to crap for a good while. He also made Battlefield Earth a few years after Pulp Fiction, soooo....
I love how he says it at first, and then realizes it's true, and goes "That's actually *literally* true" as if he initially just said it as a joke. 😂😂😂
John Travolta as Batman, Bruce Willis as Robin, Nic Cage as the Joker and Bill Murray as Alfred. There's just an outline of a script and everyone is encouraged to improv.
Something about the end you’re missing: hospitals tend to alert the police when someone comes in covered in blood, missing 3 fingers and an eye. Also, at the house, once the cops saw the puddle of blood, one of them might have thought “Hey, anybody know whose fingers those are?”
Explosion of comments from autistic people on Stuckman's channel, they were all saying this film was violently offensive to them and the portrayal of autism by this film. Oddly enough no reviewers mention it on RT, and these guys haven't either, just that he has mental illness.
@@HOTD108_ Oh I'm sorry, Christ Stuckman and this film weren't enough of a criteria to mention a Christ Stuckman related comment? If you could so kindly send me a copy of what's allowed to be posted on someone else's comment so I can adhere to RU-vid's prestigious comment section I would much appreciate it lol.
John Travolta had a teenage son who was “severely” autistic and mostly nonverbal. he passed away in an accident a few years ago. I suspect he’s doing an impression of his son.
I’m doubtful since a severely autistic person wouldn’t talk a fraction as much as he does. Their thoughts are fragmented and hard to contextualize. Travolta kind of just rambles about things like the village idiot in a cartoon. Besides the obsessive aspects of his personality, everything else is pretty off-base from anyone actually on the spectrum
@@JackedThor-so It's a drama based on a book of the same name. But the characters were made more extreme in the film adaptation, as is clearly evident in the performance.
@@coolmanjack1995 Oh really?! The idea of the movie, pissed me off. I'll have to give it a chance. Reason why I never did (at the time), I have Asperger's. Sooooo school was fun when you heard the word retarded every day. So again I'll have to try it out.
@@pkshowsupnoobsallday I just looked it up, and I was surprised to find out they actually used real mentally disabled people. And that the Farley brothers, praise the mentally disabled people. So again I'll give it another chance. Having that mind set.
24:03 "I guess the theme of the movie is, like, everybody's shitty?" Close, but it's actually "everything is f**ked, and everybody sucks." It's just one of those films.
I feel like it started as a Keystone Cops reference but then either someone didn't get it or they were worried that audiences wouldn't understand a reference to a hundred year-old series of film shorts.
12:50 The rocking back and forth thing is called Vestibular Stimming (self-stimulatory behavior). It's most common in sedentary people with severe autism disorders. It's probably caused by miscommunication of the spine and the brain which makes these people feel more balanced and grounded when their spine is moving. Something that seems to help a lot for most patients is regular exercise focused on back extension, pull-ups, squats and deadlifts to improve strength and mind muscle connection.
Revan 1313 it's a running gag with RLM to butcher names. A lot of people get whooshed by that. All the Plinkett reviews do it with comedic perfection 🤣 "Marty McFly, John McClain, Neo, Billy Peltzer...and Kevin Bacon" 🤣🤣🤣
The rocking is just a stim, a way for people with autism or ADHD to get out energy. It's more commonly associated with autism, but I have ADHD and I rock occasionally, when I'm really stressed.
Honestly, as much as they hate Leonardo DiCaprio, I feel like he's one of the few people that actually pulled off "full Regal", in _What's Eating Gilbert Grape_
Metallicfender I still think that was Leo’s best performance, and his most Oscar worthy one. He went up against stiff competition that year though and Tommy Lee Jones beat him out(TLJ was great though too so I understand why he won)
29:08 "Uuhh Devon Sawa, he lives alone in his Hollywood mansion and there is maid there, and the maid is scared because she sees John Travolta running around their property." This line cracks me so much, this is too good.
16:11 "He seems like a real crazy person that could really exist and that would do that in real life." That's because he is a real crazy person, Jay. His name is John Travolta.
Or it was just a patch. This movie was obviously low budget, so Fred picking a song for the scene he already owns the rights to and doesn’t have to pay for seems not only practical, but a little in-joke.
@@jamesduncan6729 I feel it’s at least a little self aware, but it does kind of give me a Pauly Shore reminiscing about his career in the 90s on the Joe Rogan Experience kind of vibe.
In defense of not speaking to the police when being arrested (37:30), while perhaps not believable (most people would try to explain things) it is most likely the best actual behavior. The evidence isn't going anywhere (except maybe rope marks on his wrists, although those should be documented upon booking), and the police are an adversary in a legal game, so waiting until you have a lawyer to provide advice and take action for you is almost certainly the best choice to maximally defend yourself legally.
But the character is portrayed as having zero guile or subtlety. It makes zero sense that "Hunter Dunbar" would be able to keep his cool around the cops when he's known for having a hair-trigger temper around the mentally challenged. The dude would have broken down and spilled his guts immediately. Problem with this movie is just the script...it looks great, it's acted well, but someone decided that Limp Biscuit references and Poppycock and constant ad-libbing was okay for the dialogue. This is what happens when pretentious film-makers under estimate the importance of a good script which is the foundation for the rest of the film. The first line of dialogue in the movie is "Can't talk, gotta poo". That's what the writer chose to open his dark, brooding script about para-social behavior with; that's what he chose to set up the whole mood of this film. It's just insane. 😂 edit: also i know i'm 2 years late but RLM threads are always fascinating and it's worth reflecting on what you guys comment with on their videos. Lots of intelligent people like yourself watching this channel. Thanks for your time if you read this. Writing it helped clarify my own thoughts.
A rich celebrity would absolutely not do that regardless of their temperament. They’re more lawyered up than anyone. This false perception of what people would or wouldn’t do has gotta be the most damaging part of crime media.
Now I can only picture Fred behind the camera the whole time in a track suit and a backwards cap doing weird dances while John Travolta is acting like a crazy person. XD
13:00 As a person that has Autism in the family, I can confirm to you that the rocking back and forth is a real thing. It's actually very uncomfortable to try to sit still.
Yeah, honestly, having interacted with quite a few different people who are disadvantaged mentally, and honestly, Travolta nailed it as far as I am concerned. The rambly, unclear talking, getting fixated on words or ideas, rocking back and forth, it all fits with my experience.
I have a friend who always tries to sound pretentious and knowledgeable when talking about film. He said that "Ad Astra" was "very European" without elaborating on what he meant. Thank fuck this channel exists where I can listen to film reviewers who aren't trying to be worldly art critics.
You guys keep saying the people like this need to be institutionalized. But all institutions will do will drug them up and send them on their way for a couple of days. I think what you're meaning to say is he needs to be put in a DSP program. Institutions don't help long-term DSP programs help integration into society.
Nah, he should no longer be trusted to not do stupid shit with his career. He had so much opportunity and squandered it and I can't understand why. It would be entertaining in a morbid way though.
@@tomschult133 Maybe Travolta would have done better in old Hollywood when actors had little to no control in what they were cast in because the studios would just size up what they were good at and cast them in suitable roles in movies they believed in. No way they would let him do a Battlefield Earth back then.
I’m kinda with Mike here, Travolta’s performance is unironically pretty good. I keep going back and forth as to whether I’m intrigued by it, but that may just be because I’m practicing for a Moose cosplay.
Tbh, multiple times I've seen really miserable people try to perform on streets, dressed in the most disgusting and unconvincing costumes and get ignored by everyone. It's so depressing to look at, that's why this theme really hits me hard
