The fans are split over "The Acolyte' (Between watching and not watching it, that is) 

The fact that Andor sticks out as an anomaly, in terms of quality, is a damning indictment of Disney and LucasFilm’s leadership.

Kathleen killed the golden goose

I don't even think its a hate anymore, just apathy. "Apathy is death."

For a $180 MILLION budget and FOUR YEARS of waiting, the fans have every right to expect greatness. To expect less is an insult to the concept of value itself.

Yea I'm good. Not giving Disney any more money.

0:43 I believe we are more fans of Thor than we are fans of “Star Wars.”

I think people intuitively know Disney doesn’t care about Star Wars. They’re the Mr Krabbs who wants to make money and all we want is a standard Krabby Patty

Andor was a miracle.

It’s crazy how I used to be so excited for new star wars projects, and I never thought that would change. Now disappointment is the status quo with Disney at the helm with few exceptions (Rogue One, Mando seasons 1&2, Bad Batch, Andor). Liam Neeson was correct about Disney diluting the brand. Star Wars used to be a spectacle, now it’s turned into mediocre streaming “content” to rake in money

My reaction to current Star Wars is Obi-Wan in the Jedi temple after order 66. I can’t bring myself to witness the destruction of my old friend. I’ll keep the memories of what I once loved. I’ll never contribute in any way to this catastrophe ever again.

I sometimes wish Star Wars would go to the public domain. Yeah, some people would make stupid stuff for the sake of it, but I feel a lot of fans would make good stories if it was open to the public. Because they are fans and fans generally don't like seeing their favorite franchises suck, so they put more effort into it most of the time. Like how modders will often make better stuff to put in a video game than the official developers.

Andor made the Empire look competent. I loved the love story on the Empire side, a bit like Han and Leia, the guy has to chip away and prove himself to the powerful and initially uninterested woman. Andor is Star Wars through and through because it has that sci-fi backdrop for a dramatic story. It really is a space opera.

Its funny to think that me as a Star Wars fan, this “Star Was” wasn’t made for me.

If you want to view the show without encouraging Disney to make more like it you can always sail the 7 seas.

Giroy isnt a chump. And understood the assignment.

Thor you just made the lightbulb go off for me. I knew something has been off with the Disney Star Wars characters and the answer is almost obvious, they dont feel like real people and the scripts don't allow them to be. Example, Mae needed a poison and went to the apothecary who just so happened to have the perfect poison for her, so its easy peasy, no conflict and we lose the opportunity to understand Mae better as a person. Now imagine if, for secrecy reasons, she had to craft the poison herself and we get a scene of her failing to do so a few times and she smashes the vials in frustration and rage, maybe with minor flashbacks to her as a child, scenes that reflect a similar rage that set her on this path. We can make her journey more challenging while also getting a sense of her inner turmoil in one short scene, all of a sudden she and her emotions feel real. We need glimpses into these characters to flesh them out, right now they just feel like tools for a plot.

I don't plan on watching it because I'm done with Star Wars. I will watch the reviews though.

I suspect the fallout after the release of the 3rd episode will be bigger

It sounds like it's "okay" but when I see the 92% average critic score on rotten tomatoes - I know that something is not right Even the very best of whet we have received from star wars would struggle to get an average of 92%. That tells me there is a dishonesty around professional reviews. I am at the stage where I am afraid to watch any more Disney star wars, because the more I have seen, the more it has damaged the legacy of star wars. So I'm just checking out of any new star wars until maybe the pendulum turns for certain.

If they would just lose the attitude and act like they are going to create something better than GL's Star Wars or I am tired of being told on Twitter or Reddit that I am racist (Even though I am black but whatever) because I didn't like a character here or there. I think this would be a different world but they have done this to themselves and then blame everyone else for their failures. Which is getting tiresome and old.

As a lifelong Star Wars fan, it sucks to know that Star Wars is gone. The Acolyte is an imitation of Star Wars and will never be the genuine article. The people who are in control are making inferior material along with injecting political propaganda that I just can't take anymore. Whoever still enjoys it, more power to you. 🖖🏼

I'm a Star Wars fan that hasn't watched a Star Wars production since TLJ.

Andor & Rogue One absolutely enhance the OT that’s the big reason they succeeded. Most everything else Disney have made either damage or take something away from the OT.

I really don't get people who say "you can't judge it based on the first few episodes." That is LITERALLY the point! If the first few episodes don't hook you, then the show has already failed its job of getting audiences invested.

Andor is so good. I really hope there won't be to much studio intervention on the series. I really want it to be Tony Gilroy

The most damning poll answer is that 49% won't watch the Acolyte at all despite being Star Wars fans. This just shows you how badly Disney has mishandled Star Wars in its movies and shows.

I think fans are not split. Mostly they even don't care to care. They don't even want to spend time to vote.

Acolyte Disney fans thinking they're the Republic but are actually the empire or the yuuzhan Vong lol

If the first episode or two hasnt hooked you and left you wanting more, then what follows never will.

I feel the poll kinda speaks for itself. Setting aside the half of fans who are unwilling to give it a chance, the fact that half of those that did aren't that impressed is reason enough to say this was probably a misfire. I don't blame people for checking out either, SW is easy to get right, Disney has just done everything in their power to do the opposite. It's sad really, because when they acquired SW I was so hyped, now I find myself apathetic in the extreme.

Star Wars ended a long time ago….. I think Disney forgets that literally everything after Return of The Jedi is “filler”, or just not necessary to enjoy the original films, and the expanded universe around them. That means if you do make sequels, prequels or spin offs, they better match that quality of take themselves seriously, and they don’t.

I completely understand people rejecting this show based on the marketing the acolyte team and disney have been doing for The Acolyte up to this point. No one wants to be taken out of the show by political agendas and politically inspired creative choices shoved down our throats as fans. It taints the material when you know they are actively making decisions based on their political ideals; its really better if we dont know and just watch the show for what it is. And its truly ashame because I believe this causes fans to go into the show almost wanting it to fail from the start. I think I speak for a lot of star wars fans when I say that we just want good acting and compelling stories. I dont care if all the characters happen to be gay, or whatever. But when you have the showrunner and actors making comments constantly about this and making it the focus, I feel like they are completely missing the mark. I think if the show, in a vacuum, without influence of our opinions on leslye headland and comments made by the cast, really would have been perceived much more positively. I personally really have enjoyed the first two episodes and never at any moment felt any SJW type themes were out of place or in place just for the sake of a political message. The story has my interest, the acting feels on point, and it really feels like star wars to me.

Proud to stand with the 49% Frak this show and everything else along the same lines that comes from Disney SW.

Honestly, I'm avoiding it to avoid getting angry.

Think I'll watch the original trilogy on projector tonight and remember how star wars used to be.

My friend asked me to watch the first two episodes with him as our SW fan group disolved (7 people before the LJ). He asked me if I'm going to watch the third one with him. I have a dilema. I don't want to watch it but ... He loves SW and still has hope for something to improve. I don't and after watching what LH made I saw something very dark coming even for such fans like my friend

Honestly, the attitude that leadership on this show and at LucasFilm has what killed Star Wars for me. The fact that they outright say, ‘either you love it or you must be a toxic fan’ causes me to not want to watch.

If Disney stopped making #StarWars, I would still have enough content in the EU I haven't read to get me thru another decade. Saying I should be grateful for new Star Wars is asinine, sure if it's great stuff, I would be happy but I wouldn't need it to get something Star Wars, looking backwards is just as good an idea.

Kennedy DESTROYED the fanbase, then the fringe customer base, and finally apathy has set in with most people who are left. Her sexism and racism has been very apparent in her choices, and in her underlings who openly attack fans for not supporting their crap writing and content. Star Wars is dead. Time to move on.

It’s entertaining and Star Wars enough to enjoy, not more. You put it well, meaning that these characters feel like they were made for S.W. and not designed for a good story with depth and reflections.

I remember rogue squadron books and it was a lot more interesting than andor, and that books is not even about Jedi and Sith🤔

I feel nothing but apathy towards it.

Hi Thor , I am a massive Star Wars fan, and I am a fan of your channel :) I am 47 and saw Return of the Jedi in theatres! Love OT and PT, still have all of my original toys lol, and I voted for the “I will not watch” category. It does make me sad, but it is true. I love Star Wars, love talking Star Wars etc, unfortunately I feel that the people at Disney do not really understand or “get” what this incredible universe is. I cannot call this Star Wars anymore

Hey Thor, I had a thought while watching this video. Every year there are a lot of TV shows that get to the pilot stage and then aren't picked up. An executive liked the idea enough to fund the production of a pilot episode and then realized that it wasn't going to work. That doesn't seem to happen with Lucasfilm when it comes to Star Wars projects for Disney+. Yes there have been a number of cancelled projects, but the vast majority of those are film projects. The only show that was announced that has been cancelled before seeing air as far as I know was Rangers of the New Republic and that was cancelled because of the Gina Carano situation since she was supposed to be the star of that show and they fired her. Maybe the reason these shows have been so bad is that they aren't being held to the standard of regular TV shows. They're green-lit for full production before having to create a pilot episode to see if there's anything to them. They jump right from a concept on a page...and perhaps a few story boards...to $100+ million productions without any proof that the idea is good, the story is good, the direction is good, and all of that. Considering her position as the Executive Producer for all things Lucasfilm and Star Wars, that would be another nail in the coffin of Kathleen Kennedy's tenure running things in my mind.

Personally I feel like you can see a shit sandwhich without having to eat it espeically when the chef is literally bragging about it being a shit sandwhich. And for the guy asking about judging off the first two its probably the best way to go about it the first episodes job to hook you so it should be the best they got minus the finale which should match.

Thor, I’ve been a huge fan of yours as I’ve said in other comments and videos; Keep up the good work! I am really struggling with all of this. To be completely honest, I don’t support the direction that Disney and Star Wars is going, (Checking all the boxes and caring more about diversity than about good storytelling and good characters) but I have loved Star Wars for the past 30 years when I saw the remastered originals in the theaters in ‘95 when I was 10. I don’t want to give my money to something that I don’t like, but I still feel like I want to hold on in case there are things that are released that I really love, like Andor and Solo. Thanks so much for keeping a level head and being the best Star Wars RU-vid channel! -Wes

P.S. Also, after hearing that Leslye Headland might be making a KOTOR film or series is just horrible news. After wanting a KOTOR film/series for decades now, to learn that it will finally be made by her is so nauseating. It's just one more reason for me to get off before the ship goes into dark waters.

The only way I will be watching is second hand if I can find a full episode length reaction stream or some sketching streaming site with a few annoying pop ups. I'm not watching it on Disney. I don't want them to give Disney the wrong message. They need to find another Direction and put people in charge who love the IP and care about 1-6 and the history and lore that came before them.

Disney Star Wars is the bad girlfriend that we just need to dump and move on once Andor season 2 comes out.

I take back the comment I made about the show being semi-ok. It's not... I tried watching the episodes again and just couldn't. Yes, I was half deep in a bottle of wine and one J into it the first time. Sober, it's truly an awful show.

So many different people put their hands on Star Wars that it's almost impossible to have a "canon" of what Jedi or Sith are supposed to be. Disney had the opportunity to take an established universe (EU) and trim some fat to make it into blockbuster; they instead decided to rebuild it from scratch with goals in mind, as opposed to letting it happen naturally like EU. They didn't care for the core values of the originals or any other content prior to their acquisistion of the franchise and the result is an incongruent mess of media with some occasional gems (not by chance Andor is the best Star Wars show, among other things thanks to the fact that it is not about Jedi or Sith).

The fact that most people still give Disney chances is disturbing. They put out nothing but mindless slope, they're just insulting your intelligence. Nothing they've made has any substance to it.

I voted that I had not yet watched it but planned to. Well, I watched the first two episodes on Thursday. And while the show wasn't absolutely terrible so far, I don't think I'll keep watching. Maybe if enough people watch those first episodes and sharply drop off, it'll give Disney the right message that mediocre stories aren't what we want.

Im not excited, im not angry, im nothing. I have reached complete apathy for new star wars content. And to be honest i think that's what more people should do. If we don't engage in any way they will see what happens. Because apathy is death. And I'd rather it die than get simpsonized.

Just waiting on House of the Dragon, season 2 next Sunday.

I am currently playing Jedi:Survivor and like it quite a bit. I am a fan of Star Wars, but have zero interest in the Acolyte.

This will be the first Star Wars show I won’t watch

Yup. They're caricatures, not characters.

Personaly, for the bigger part, I consider (Dismal) Disney-SW "bad" fiction. Not fan-fiction, but hater-fiction.

I remember plenty of people saying they gave up on Andor after 2 episodes because it was boring, it didn’t grab them. What I don’t remember is anyone calling them haters or bigots. I didn’t like this show very much so far, but I gave it a fair shot, and I’ll keep watching because I want to see if it gets better, if it doesn’t, criticism should be fair to give, because yeah, I PAY for Disney+. Just having any Star Wars at all to me is not better than bad or mediocre Star Wars. I’d be happy with one show or one movie every so often if those projects took their time and got the best writers, got the budget to look their best, and had a meaningful story to tell. We had only 3 and then 6 Star Wars movies for decades, and it was glorious. To me anyway, as a prequel fan, I know plenty aren’t, and guess what, that’s also fine.

Hey Thor, can you do something about that bot who keeps making spams in Polish on your channel?

Star Wars Meg is saying the sister is dead and the one “good” sister is the one killing the Jedi. Interesting theory.

I’m still watching Disney+ because I wanted to watch X-MEN ‘97 and finish the Bad Batch. I sure as hell didn’t come back for this show. It will be interesting to see how Disney spins this show’s success or failure in the coming months. I was honestly unimpressed by the first two episodes, and I don’t see myself watching past ep3 without being blown away.

I think another huge issue with Star Wars is the context surrounding the people who make these projects. So much of the discourse surrounding The Acolyte is politically charged, because the creator of the series is open about their political beliefs. If your political beliefs are showcased in a product, you'd want to defend those beliefs by defending the product. Once you take the politics out of the conversation, we aren't left with much to talk about aside from how mediocre the show is.

I still haven't gotten around to watching Tales of the Empire (I will though, eventually). I don't want to waste my time on a show that both creates so much outrage AND isn't any good... If they want to say very political stuff in interviews, they should deliver the goods. The show should be Andor level good. I'm waiting for the end of the season. If it turns up to be Andor levek back then, I'll watch it (in a couple of months from now probably lol). If it's trash, I'll watch it when I'm very bored, probably in a couple of years from now PS: Ahsoka was mediocre. It was not good enough. RIP Baylan's actor. The only truly interesting aspect of the show and now he's going to be recasted or something like that

This show is nothing more than their obsession with forced diversity and inclusion. The things the people in charge have been saying and that we are getting this over an adaptation of Darth Plagueis is insane.

I’ve asked three of my friends if they were watching The Acolyte. Two of them said ‘what’s the acolyte?’ and one said no. All four of us went to midnight releases of star wars, both prequels and sequels, and now none of us have the slightest interest. I really hope, for their sake, lucasfilm is making enough new fans to make up for those of us they’ve lost

Hey Thor. With the idea that true balance in Star Wars is the absence of the dark side, I wondering how do the Mortis gods play into that? I mean you’ve got the son and the daughter, who embody the dark and light. Then you’ve got the father who’s meant to balance them out? I agree with ur take on the Force, I’m just unsure with how Mortis fits into this

I think most of the "not watching" crowd (including myself) aren't refusing to watch it because of being checked out, but because of all the weird takes and crappy message of the show.

Ill probably watch it 6 or so months from now when disney cant use my views to boast the trash they put out... but then again i said that about she hulk still havent felt like watching it

Hey Thor, part of the reason I feel like Andor was so good is because it didn't go out trying to "redefine" Star Wars like all the other shows. I mean like look at BOBF or Kenobi trying to "redefine" the titular character and just retroactively making there stories worse. Or look at Mando season three trying to "redefine" the sequels it seems with the addition of force cloning and hints of the first order. And now it is said that the Acolyte will be "redefining" the force. Andor set out to tell a meaningful story first and foremost, and because that was the main goal i feel like it did redefine the character of Andor and the Rebellion itself. So i guess my question is this, do you think that Star Wars should be "redefined"? That if approached well and thought out that it could be done well and lead the universe in a new direction? Or if Disney should work more to stick to what we already have? Sorry for the long message and thank you for all the work you put into making an unbiased and informative Star Wars channel.

I think you should keep the didn’t watch option in your polls. I think it will show the fall off rate for the show. Even though it isn’t your intention, people who aren’t watching out of spite who know they won’t like the show, will vote for the negative option (as they should, because in this day and age we see more than enough to know going in 90% of the time). If you limit the scope of the poll while HALF your audience doesn’t watch and possibly hates the show, for weeks or months on end, people probably won’t keep to the honor system of not voting w/o watching, because they want to be heard. You don’t have to listen, but doesn’t that prove my point? Isn’t silencing fans what Disney does? It is your channel, it is your choice, but you can’t control how others act by that measure. Please don’t divide the community.

Hey Thor, Kathleen Kennedy has said that there’s a silent majority who is too afraid to speak up about Disney Star Wars yet likes on a RU-vid video are anonymous and the likes on all things Acolytes are far exceeded by the dislikes. Based on the feedback YOU get as someone who covers Star Wars content do you feel like there’s really a silent majority who love Disney Star Wars or is this just more gaslighting by Kathleen?

There's going to be another twist or two - probably just like The Moon Knight.

In general I enjoyed the first two episodes. It’s yes too early to give an overall rating for the series, but here is my take on it. The first episode really needed to be longer. I would have liked a bit more detail about Mae before she went on her killing rampage (well not a rampage but you know what I mean). It could have spent about 10 minutes until it lead towards the first scenes when she went anger Indara. And there could have been some development of her as well before she was killed off (although I think we are going to see more of her in flashbacks). Additionally, I would have liked to seen the Jedi Temple before the first scene with them. Perhaps just a small scene to set up the characters before the actual plot started. I would say about 15 minutes setting up character development before the actual story starting. So I would say about an extra 20 minutes of the first episode was really needed. That being said, my favorite character is Master Sol. Even though he was learning English just to do the role, I think he did an amazing job to be able to fit into this role with so much limitations. That is a making of a great actor. I have also started to come up with my own theories, especially who Qmir might be and who the Dark Mystery Man with the red lightsaber might be.

I’m glad you all got the picture finally!!!

I generally like your analysis, and I do agree that you tend to be pretty balanced. However, The hallmark channel is all the proof you need that there are indeed people out there that set out to make mediocre movies.

listen I've watched shows llke Xena n Hercules n they were better than stuff Disney is trying to push. StarGate SG1, Atlantis were much better than current star wars

Ive never been so intrigued yet bored to death watching a show before.

The characters in the show feel like they were made in a vapid, corporate, soulless writer room. The show feels like the person watched Star Wars a few times.

Prepare for the Gays of the Old Hoboplic and Tails of the Fempire. The fun will NEVER end!

Thor’s channel is pretty much the only Star Wars content I watch anymore.

Hey Thor, What do you think is better for story telling: thinking of a cool story and then making characters to fit it OR thinking of a great character and the growth they’ll go through and then crafting a story around it?

After Tales of the Empire I’ve completely given up on Star Wars, I’m a life long fan and I was an imperial officer and biker scout in the 501st. I stopped really caring about 5 years ago. But the inquisitors respecting a Jedis, they/then pronounce while they’re trying to murder him at the same time was the last straw. It made no sense and even my wife was confused trying to figure out who or what the inquisitors were talking about.

I gave it an honest viewing, and gotta say it’s not that bad. It’s easily better than book of boba fett and mando s3. I watched it on a third party site (yo ho yo ho). And if you’re still adamant on not supporting Disney, I recommend Shogun or Masters of the Air

For all those episodes, Andor managed to avoid awkwardly inserting cringe fan service like the "I have a bad feeling about this" line. Anyway about the coming episodes of the Acolyte: I have a bad feeling about this.

One criticism I find comical is people asking how fire is burning in the vacuum of space as if he haven't seen stuff like that in Star Wars since the original trilogy lmao

If you don't third party app to watch these things you only have yourselves to blame.

YES please continue with the didn't watch it b/c it's an important metric. Thanks for all you do for the SW fans.

At this point, I'm more into "Will I watch a youtuber and their commentary?" rather than watch that show at all

It's funny. A lot of the 49% will have no problem tuning into Andor S2, which means they haven't 'checked out' of Disney Star Wars at all, but they possibly have been turned off for other reasons. Which doesn't really tell us anything about the quality of the show.

The review bombing is weird to me. I get you might not like the project but it’s just so weird that people who didn’t even watch the show want it to fail.

There is no confusion here... I refuse to watch this show or much of any future Disney Star Wars outside the final season of Andor.

Hey Thor, do you mind mentioning in a video when you plan on doing a poll? I don't get them in my recommended for some reason and always miss out on them.

Fans are split, just like the Sith-scissor sisters, I hate Disney for making me Hate StarWars, F-the AcolDyke!

I can't be disappointed if i don't watch it.

I saw Star Wars, just "Star Wars," in 1977 when I was eleven. I think it's fair to say that I know what made Star Wars good, because frankly if my generation hadn't loved that movie and the next two as much as we did, none of you would be here. It wasn't because of our parents. Sorry not sorry, kids. 😉 What we liked were the space battles and countless imaginative vehicles we'd never seen must less imagined, droids and strange species interacting with humans, exotic locations with larger than life set pieces and the swashbuckling. When we played "Star Wars" we didn't care about the Jedi. The first person who called Han Solo was boss. Then Darth Vader. Luke was always the last choice. Of course the Skywalker story expanded we bought him, but we wanted to be cool, and Han Solo was. Solo was so cool that they had to cast Billy D. Williams as his rival. In the prequels, Kenobi served as the cocky swashbuckler with skills. It was the fun, not the philosophy. The force was cool, but we saw it as mostly having faith in yourself, empathy and not about magical "powers." We really did see the force as something passive that lived between a construct and Solo's claim it's just a religion. Now it's become something that ranges from Harry Potter magic to creating cultish divisions among the fanbases. Star Wars used to be well written enough with strong enough characters that we didn't question which side was right. Solo was the most ambiguous character and that only manifested in whether he could sacrifice for the greater good. He never once questioned what that was though. So where's the cool? Thor is right that the first movies had people acting like real humans. That's partly because it's how actors generally acted in the 70s: naturally and humanistic. I'd say Lucas's biggest mistake was directing the actors in the prequels to be so stiff. Especially the Jedi. Alec Guinness wasn't. He was cool too, always able to go toe to toe with Solo in their banter and come out ahead each time. He wasn't a stiff. Now the Jedi are nothing but. Now we have Ashoka making C3PO sound Shakespearean. Where are the interesting new vehicles, space battles, species and creatures. Where are the good and lasting droid characters, and I'm not talking about beeping soccer balls that pose as discount R2D2s, or those that see themselves as oppressed social classes. Where are the exotic locations and bewildering structures on unimaginable scales? Now we get generic , poorly detailed CGI mat paintings during new scene fade-ins that don't even live up to the standards of McQuarry's concept paintings. When Star Wars released it was an exact departure from the gritty movies of the 70s. It felt real, especially by today's standards, but it was also crisp, bright, vivid and every location was unique. Now every scene going back to RoS uses the same common monochromatic filters as in countless other movies and shows. Star Wars should never look like an Alien movie or something from the WB, which it seems we're getting a combination of. In summary, Star Wars should NEVER look generic and drab but that's all I see. Drab describes everything else about Star Wars these days. Bring back the fun. Bring back the imaginative world building and stop philosophizing about such simple things as what a dark and light side of empathy mean, and trying to turn that into a Harry Potter style of soft magic. Bring back freshness, which you can't do with endless prequels that by definition can't change what happen afterwards and which we've already seen play out (I mean, do you think Andor or Kenobi will make it to the end of their series with all limbs attached? I'm at the edge of my seat....). Adventure, space, swashbuckling, locations, droids/creatures, space, cool. That's how you get the franchise back on track. I think the first couple seasons of the Mandalorian help prove my argument, even moreso when you look at the third season's collapse as it tried to explore more of the Mandalorian culture and religion. As Harrison Ford suggested off camera to Mark Hamill, Star Wars ain't that kind of movie, kid.

Shoulda taken the poll how many Death Stars did Anakin blow up

“ it’s not THAT bad” that’s a positive for Disney starwars now a days and not a good reason to watch. “ I got a bad feeling about this”

I definitely want to see how far down the rabbit hole goes at this point. They should have said it was more of a conspiracy story instead of a murder mystery. The golden goose does seem to have been slain by apathy at this point.