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@QuestingBeast 12 дней назад

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@YouTubdotCub 12 дней назад

*1970, not 1971 as you say out loud, for the first Blackmoor session

@macoppy6571 12 дней назад

"88 pages" may have been a misprint, but an entire campaign setting in less than 100 pages is instructive, nearly prescriptive.

@user-jq1mg2mz7o 12 дней назад

the greyhawk folio is also really short, at a mere 32 pages

@TheMajorActual 4 дня назад

Having multi-hundred page tomes for a campaign setting is a "nice to have", but there should be a sub-100 page summary for it - and preferably, under 50 pages - so that people don't get overwhelmed. That's really a good development experience for anyone wanting to be a good GM.

@willmistretta 12 дней назад

Getting to play with Bob was indeed fantastic. I have my own version of that group photo framed and on display. It really drove home the point that while D&D might have been inspired by Blackmoor, Blackmoor is not D&D.

@thecaveofthedead 12 дней назад

Other people are old-school gaming odnd like photographers shooting film while Ben's playing Brownstein and Blackmoor like he's making Daguerrotypes and shooting wet collodion glass plates.

@deadlyDM 12 дней назад

Just to note, Dave Arneson did release a version of Blackmoor in 2004 alongside Goodman Games & Zeitgeist Games. Although it was published for the 3.5 edition of D&D, it's still a great resource. I was lucky enough to attend a seminar by Dave Arneson at GenCon 2005, and got my copy autographed

@keith0363 12 дней назад

I started playing in 1977 and heard this same type of story. What I heard is that Arneson got the idea for the dungeon crawl when a player's single soldier went into a tunnel to sneak into a castle or set a trap, or something to that affect.

@joshjames582 12 дней назад

From what I can tell, a lot of different things happening in the Twin Cities wargamer campaigns kind of coalesced into what we call D&D organically. I don't think it was any one game or instance but rather an accumulation of ideas over a few years.

@aaronsomerville2124 12 дней назад

Finding a copy of First Fantasy Campaign is a bit of a grail for me. Congratulations on your good fortune!

@CesarIsaacPerez 12 дней назад

Needs to be reprinted!

@Bluecho4 9 дней назад

@@CesarIsaacPerez Or, failing that, someone needs to scan a copy and upload it to the Internet Archive.

@ebrim5013 12 дней назад

I don’t know why but suddenly I want to make a game that has wargame elements and that resolves tricky situations with nothing but D6’s.

@limithron 12 дней назад

Yay glad to see you made a video about that experience Ben! We sure made short work out of that troll. The telepathy spell was ace. Playing with Bob was wild, partly because he was THERE pre D&D! Are you making a vibe about the Lair of the Lamb or Dolmenwood games?

@dundermoose 12 дней назад

Griff Morgan knows the secret of the Egg of Coot, but I don't think he's sharing.

@Raycheetah 12 дней назад

Pretty sure that The Judges Guild grafted Blackmoor into their amazing world setting, as, if I recall correctly, the maps related to that publication placed it in the Valley of the Ancients, a remote and mysterious corner of their expansive world. =^[.]^=

@agilemonk6305 12 дней назад

I so remember these original works, maps and materials. It was such an awesome time back then. And now 50 years later look at all the RPGs that have been created and built out. And yet, coming back to the old days makes me smile. ❤

@DaveThaumavore 12 дней назад

Extremely interesting content, Ben. And thanks for giving Dave Arneson some real love in this one.

@danteleandado3312 12 дней назад

Really enjoyed this and the Braunstein video! I watched the Secrets of Blackmoor doc, I thought it was great. IIRC, they interviewed the players that pioneered the class/ archetype of Paladin and Thief, but i thought their parts in the film were too brief. Not necessarily a request, but i think it'd be great if someone were to get them to elaborate more on their perspective on being the prototypes and their thoughts on how they unexpectedly made such a massive impact on gaming.

@theridonculesknights 12 дней назад

As someone from the twin cities, it's always cool to see the ways so much of tabletop history weaves through here. It honestly makes sense in my experience with Minnesotan culture in general. We're fuckin nerds here tbh.

@harkejuice 4 дня назад

The diagonal dungeon maps are interesting because as a DM youd describe rooms as exits to "left or right" relative to where you entered because there is no concept of cardinal directions underground. Something about that style of drawing is familiar somehow, using the diagonals as guides instead of straight lines. Might have to ask Dyson about that. Thanks again, great video. You're always pleasant to hear talk about this kind of stuff.

@wperdew6078 9 дней назад

Those old, and I mean old, games like this were pretty ad hoc and a vehicle of the gm to spin a story and the players ran through some mysterious game and hoped for the best. I played in a game like this maybe 30 years ago, and it was really fun stuff, great memory

@SwordAgainstChaos 23 часа назад

I recently printed out Judges Guild’s The First Fantasy Campain. I had it spiral bound. I love paging through it!

@Aragura 12 дней назад

These last two segments have been very entertaining and it is very nice to see someone exploring and experiencing the roots of our hobby. Jealous to experience the same content as a player, rather than trying to recreate as a GM with my local players. Keep up the good work

@airsheeps 12 дней назад

Peterson notes that Egg of Coot and Ran of Ah Fooh were [very likely] thinly-veiled mockeries of fellow war-gamers Arneson had grievances with. How delightfully petty. 😊

@undertone_dj 12 часов назад

Would love to see a follow up of this video, going over the book that is just titled "Dave Arneson Blackmoor". I think it was released for 3.5, and it's the definitive Blackmoor campaign setting book. It goes over all the major cities, personalities, villians, pantheon, etc... It's a great read for any Blackmoor or D&D enthusiast!

@dbfblackbull 11 дней назад

Great video as always! I love this deep dive into the history of DnD and its predecessors. I would love if you would make a video about the tournament scene in DnD. What is a tournament, where were they held, what was the goal / importance of it? As a 2E player I have always been confused about a random section in the 2E PHB that just says "Tournament rules" and then throws a bit of encumbrance rules in that section, indirectly telling players that encumbrance is only for playing in a tournament. But that just begs the question. Why is encumbrance important in a tournament? What rules or goals incentivises tracking encumbrance? My own best guess is that a Tournament gives the players a set number of in game days to play out, and then see which party or which player can carry the most loot out of a dungeon, but it is all guess work.

@ivanrichmond3524 8 дней назад

Really informative! Thanks. What I'd like in future videos are: Chainmail, OD&D ("white box"), and finally what OD&D would look like if you used the Chainmail combat system, which I believe was actually the main combat system, as opposed to the "optional" alternative combat system, that ended up being standard D&D.

@kerstanszczepanski2604 11 дней назад

Ben, great as usual. I really appreciate all your vids, your analytical approach to the osr and old school, and the effort you obviously put into your vids.

@TradeUaPikachu 12 дней назад

I'll never get tired of the story of Blackmoor. Loved getting to hear your experience with it!

@SethWistful 8 дней назад

This series of videos you've made is fascinating and you've done a great job. I've subscribed because you're dong so darn awesome!

@CesarIsaacPerez 12 дней назад

GaryCon was a great fountain of inspiration this year! You got to play Braunstein and Blackmoore!!! Can't wait to know what other cool experiences you got to have.

@mrkookas 9 дней назад

Loved these past two videos. Fingers crossed that it's part of a series

@trynda1701 12 дней назад

Another great video looking into the prehistory of D&D. And congratulations on finding Mr Arnesons' Campaign Guide! 👍👍👍👍😎😎😎😎 If there is more along these lines, would love to hear about them. 😃😃😃😃

@rafibausk7071 10 дней назад

Following this pattern. Where's the next video be on The Lost Dungeons of Tonisborg?

@thuumhammer682 10 дней назад

Love these origins of D&D vids. I’m very jealous of your autographed DMG!

@werkshop131 9 дней назад

Thank you so much for this tour of my hobby's history!

@NemoOhd20 12 дней назад

Love this video. It was just before my D&D time but all the history takes me back. Thanks.

@tednovy7762 12 дней назад

Love the history thread . . . hoping it continues.

@TinyTactician 9 дней назад

How intriguing like diving deep into the lore of your favorite game. Well it’s literally that, but irl lore. I’d love to run a game like blackmoor for my players. Or even get the chance to play in one. I’ve only ever ran games(fate, 5e,)

@tsifj 9 дней назад

Great video! Thanks for sharing!

@LukaRejec 4 дня назад

That was brilliant. Good show Ben!

@erickent3557 12 дней назад

I recall reading the Egg of Coot may have Greg Scott as the inspiration. Anyways, SUPER cool you got to play with Bob Meyer! Could Mr. Meyer have been running the "hit points" similar to Chainmail rules where a certain amounts of hits must land in a single round to bring down Heroes and such?

@sumdude4281 11 дней назад

Great video. Those campaign maps are beautiful.

@macdd7257 12 дней назад

Your contribution to our hobby is unbelievable. Thanks for sharing all this

@Henbot 12 дней назад

Subscribed, fantastic videos you done on this and Braunstein. I find it really intriguing a different levelling up mechanic that makes you harder to hit instead of HP

@kevinm3428 12 дней назад

The Blue Rider and Mellow the Hobbit played major roles in our early gaming here. We eventually bought the Judges Guild campaign setting Wilderlands of High Fantasy and never really revisited this setting, but great memories from my youth.

@EpicoLirico 12 дней назад

This is a great video and give a lot of insights about how the game was born and what made it so special.

@rlgood 11 дней назад

I'm loving this series of game history videos.

@hpyle5592 12 дней назад

Very cool -- thanks for sharing this!

@jimmd68 12 дней назад

I'm always impressed by how many different elements combined to make D&D as well as the various individuals that contributed their unique perspectives and talents. We owe these people a lot!

@ricardo.mazeto 12 дней назад

I absolutely love the carousing system, and I'm totally going use it from now on. 😂

@dancarpenter1343 12 дней назад

Hello Ben and love the channel. This is Dan C. from TAC days. This was really interesting background. I've only dabbled in Rifts, DnD, and Pathfinder but never knew about some of the origins.

@QuestingBeast 12 дней назад

Hi Dan, good to hear from you!

@georgelaiacona111 12 дней назад

I absolutely love Judges Guild maps. If I could only find the "font" for the mountains, swamps, and forests! I don't have this one, but I do have Wilderlands of High Fantasy. This was a great find!

@andytucker1769 10 дней назад

Great video - thanks!

@francoisdumont4105 6 дней назад

I really enjoy these historical videos

@RockinBobXYZ 12 дней назад

The detailed pieces are historical, public-domain artwork. The amateurish stuff was commissioned by Judges Guild. That’s the case with a lot of JG books from that era - though some of the commissioned works (ie the stuff by Jennell Jaquays) was quite good.

@mattnerdy7236 11 дней назад

Hello Questing Beast, appreciate the video. I'm a huge fan of Blackmoor. Did you ever wonder what the Egg of Coot really was? The main influence Dave & Gary had was JRR Tolkien, Robert E. Howard and HP Lovecraft. The description of the Egg of Coot and HP Lovecraft's Ugga Naach are the same. Dave made it his own monster but it's obvious now what his influence was. Dave's BBEG was a god! 😮 Thanks for the video you have a wonderful day!

@Malcadon 12 дней назад

I have read that book. Good stuff! Although, I wished he gone more into detail about the rules he used, such as the magic system and how one avoids attacks. I'm assuming it it was like Gamma World were you roll a d6 per point of Constitution, thus getting that wild range of HP, and you make saving throws vs normal attacks to avoid damage, but that is all pure speculation on my part. Keep up the good work telling people about the early history of the hobby!

@markusbradley4717 12 дней назад

Cool video, Ben! 🎉

@MemphiStig 10 дней назад

I love hearing these old stories and learning the truth behind all those rumors. We did do a lot of mapping for sure, and as you know, the early game said one player should be the caller, announcing all the pc's actions to the DM, and one the mapper. I'm kind of surprised there weren't rules for electing officers and adopting by-laws. But they were all about rp back then too, just not method acting and *DRAMA* as much as now. Tho I bet if we could go back and see for ourselves, they'd surprise us there too.

@Obsiduction 2 дня назад

I think Arneson himself confirmed that Egg of Coot is not a joke on Gygax but on Gregg Scott, another wargamer that dismissed fantasy as being childish and "unmanly"

@EricVulgaris 12 дней назад

The egg of coot sends its regards

@robertkimble8385 11 дней назад

You should give Ironsworn a try again now that you've got the hang of solo play. The random prompt improv is definitely a skill that improves with use.

@patrickbenjamin9056 11 дней назад

Very interesting stuff.

@doctorlolchicken7478 10 дней назад

Arneson is an interesting character in that he developed a lot of the early concepts, saw enough value in the concept to partner with Gygax, but then mostly refused to develop it further while still wanting a paycheck for his original ideas. I find it hard to have too much sympathy with Arneson over how it all turned out, yet at the same time I completely understand it. When a hobby becomes a business it loses a lot of its appeal.

@roboticus9518 11 дней назад

If you want to know more about Arneson's system, you'll need to find a copy of the "Adventure's in Fantasy" box set. Unfortunately it is nigh impossible to find, going for 3-400, and I have not been able to find a PDF. Rumour has it that Wizard's of the Coast has the rights. In the foreword, Arneson writes: "I have felt that the basic original spirit of the Role Playing Fantasy game has not been well looked after..." How I would love to know what Arneson did differently, to see what other direction DnD could have gone! Alas, untill I have hundreds of dollars to spend on a quirk of interest, I may never find out.

@DMTalesTTRPG 12 дней назад

Cool! Thanks!

@dundermoose 12 дней назад

Brawn-Steen. Also, thanks for mentioning @SecretsofBlackmoor this time.

@willmistretta 12 дней назад

Sounds like you should take it up with Dave. He was adamant that "brown stein" is correct for his game.

@arheru 12 дней назад

Brawnsteen is such an American way of pronouncing that word. In German it would be "Brown-Shtyne", and so, much closer to how Ben pronounces it.

@QuestingBeast 12 дней назад

At David Wesely's game, he said it was pronounced "Brown Stine."

@dundermoose 12 дней назад

@@QuestingBeast granted, but he also pronounces Gygax as GyJax, so…

@dundermoose 12 дней назад

@@willmistretta I would LOVE to take it up with Dave. He would be a dream guest for my show!

@williammeek7218 12 дней назад

Great review Beast. Is there any way I could get a copy of this. I got my first taste of DnD in 74 or 75. Boxed set of Basic.

@SlurpeeE 12 дней назад

The early days of ttrpgs are so interesting.

@ljmiller96 12 дней назад

I had an early printing of that First Fantasy Campaign book, and based my first campaign on it back in 78 or so. The whole thing was fascinating to read through and puzzle out. Hurricane Katrina claimed it along with everything else from those days. I'm pretty sure the EGG of Coot was a joke about E. Gary Gygax, rather than a smear of him.

@jarrettperdue3328 12 дней назад

Agreed about the "EGG of Coot". Just because it predates any animosity, doesn't mean it isn't a wink.

@QuestingBeast 12 дней назад

I did some more research, apparently Gygax said that it was based off of after another wargamer that Arneson knew, Gregg Scott.

@jarrettperdue3328 12 дней назад

@@QuestingBeast fascinating!

@YouTubdotCub 12 дней назад

@@QuestingBeast Gary, on EN World: "Oops! I forgot to post one that is rather glaring. According to Dave Arneson the "Egg of Coot" was created from the name "Gregg Scott," the chap who ran the MicroArmor casting company some years back. Gregg dismissed fantasy games as childish and claimed wargaming was "manly." Coot indeed! Heh, Gary"

@jakestaples8498 12 дней назад

Nice video!

@maggoli67 12 дней назад

That Barbarian sounds like a precursor to Groo.

@nutherefurlong 12 дней назад

The spell rules do mention Constitution as a limiter, which is something

@israelmorales4249 12 дней назад

awesome!

@Arcboltkonrad13 12 дней назад

The Egg of Coot was Gygax (E.G.G. = Ernest Gary Gygax). Blackmoor, if I remember right, was merged into or stemmed off of the old Castles and Crusades Society internal map they used for their wargame campaigns.

@QuestingBeast 12 дней назад

That's an old rumor that turns out to be false. The Egg existed before Arneson met Gary, and was actually based on wargamer Greg Scott.

@Vlorisz 12 дней назад

Very cool.

@Billchu13 12 дней назад

Playing at the world is the best

@PossumMedic 12 дней назад

Another great vid thanks! Do you know where we can get a copy of this book?

@QuestingBeast 11 дней назад

eBay

@PossumMedic 10 дней назад

@@QuestingBeast ok! I had hoped there was a reprint or PDF for sale. Sounds like a great read but $150+ is a bit steep 😅

@LeFlamel 12 дней назад

Egg of Coot gives me Egg of the Perfect World from Berserk vibes

@lordfenrir1394 5 дней назад

Off topic, at the right angle the chair looks like a mullet.

@pratzuli 12 дней назад

Is there a digital version of this book? If not, is it possible to do so legally? What a cool artifact!

@mjolasgard2533 12 дней назад

Hey, Ben. What you playing these days? Are you running or playing anything? Just curious!

@davidbudzik5970 12 дней назад

The map behind Ben - I know I’ve seen it somewhere before. What is it?

@mr.pavone9719 6 дней назад

Back on 1983, in issue #72 of Dragon Magazine they published a game by Tom Wham called File 13. You played as one of 4 game designers attempting to get your games into gaming history by submitting them to The Great Game Company In The Sky. All the games were punny takes on popular games and each pool followed the conventions of big game publishers, so the one rigfing on Milton Bradley and Parker Bros had games like Frisk, Manopoly, Dopelomacy (about international imbecile trading) etc. The one that lampooned TSR had games like Grungeons & Grackles, some paridy of Boot Hill and one that always got a laugh out of me called Brownstorm (the stuff hits the fan) and now I know what game it is a parody of. That's my takeaway from this video.

@oramaj8392 9 дней назад

Please get that ring resized before you deglove your finger like jimmy fallon 😅 great video ❤

@tolemykus4805 12 дней назад

Nothing like the real thing. :-)

@phoenixknight8837 11 дней назад

Egg of Coot=a player in the Blackmoor campaign who used to be villainous (Gregg Scott)

@Itronin01 11 дней назад

Obligatory comment: always smart content, man. Thanks for the entertaining content. 😃

@bigbiggoblin2873 12 дней назад

noice

@perplexedmoth 12 дней назад

Was it similar to PbtA 2d6 system?

@QuestingBeast 12 дней назад

Not that I could tell

@ebrim5013 12 дней назад

It sounded like they were 2d6 opposed rolls. PBTA is more the D&D reaction table made into a game, no?

@Queen-dl5ju 3 дня назад

NERRRRRD

@horacioaugustofilho6487 12 дней назад

The Egg of Coot was a parody of Ernst Gary Gygax.

@nicd3348 12 дней назад

"Ye Old" is pronounced "The Old"... Just saying. :)

@williampalmer8052 11 дней назад

To think that if D&D hadn't moved away from those old school wargamers, it would never have turned out to be as popular as it became. There seems to be a small resurgence of these "originalist" players, and their elitist "we play the only true D&D" attitude shows how marginalized the game would have been if it had not evolved.