#darksouls #lore #monster a video about the sad origins of the lion men who reside in the shaded woods also sorry for the audio quality, i attempted to record while sick
Huh; what happened to the original? Anyways, can't believe I'm sayin' it, but first!: In the case of the Lion Clan, you are correct regarding the nature of the " ties"they lack to humans being diplomatic and social; this is clearer, as always, in the Japanese text. The developers state that no true " beastmen " exist in the Dark Souls universe; all of them are of human origin. As such, that part is easy enough to deal with. However, I disagree with them being the Lion Warriors of Forossa. To clarify, yes, I do believe they worship the same god, but I don't believe the Lion Clan itself is " derived" or descended from Forossa; as a matter of fact, the opposite may be true, in some fashion. Reasons? 1. Swordsmanship. The Lion Clan, egregiously, has not a single type of sword forged in their arsenal, despite their immediately apparent skill in crafting other weapons, like axes. As such, they do not seem to use or know how to use the Lion Warriors' unique swordplay. 2. The Ruins. The Shaded Ruins are excessively old; if they are by any approximation the home of thw Lion Clan or their former neighbours, this places them as likely much older than Forossa as a nation. Forossa has only recently fallen, with it's mercenaries( like Vengarl) having served in the defense against the Giants. This places Forossa, at least partially, within Vendrick's timeline, and Drangleic's. In contrast: 3. The Doors Of Pharros. The description speaking of the Lion Clan's first appearance in history speaks in a manner that implies their literal ascension from beneath the Earth. One possible source you suggested is the Gutter; however, directly behind the Shaded Ruins, lie the Doors Of Pharros, an massive complex filled with denizens of the supposed " underworld" ,so to speak. Rats. Gyrm. Axe-wielding Gyrm. If the Lion Clan came to the surface through the Gutter, their home would be somewhere closer to Majula, if not Majula itself. However, considering their current home in the Ruins, it is likely they came up the same way the Gyrm and Rats did; up and through the Doors Of Pharros. 4. Finally, Tark. Tark's speech on his own nature, as well as that of the fellow denizens of the Ruins, indicates they all share a common " creator" , distinguished by his sheer misery and envy in life. This creator is, as most of us can agree, none other than " The Writhing Ruin"; the force possessing the Duke's Dear Freja, and the true owner of the Old Paledrake Soul. If Tark's words are only referencing himself and his dear Najka, we wouldn't have much to talk about. But as it appears, he seems to speaking generally of himself and his " neighbours "; the strange creatures of the forest share a common source. What am I getting at? Recal the Wargod Wooden Shield; it speaks of a god if war worshipped in distant regions. Here's a question; where are we in Dark Souls 3? Answer: Lordran. Or what Lordran became. Question: Where is Drangleic? Answer: the developers state it is as far from Lordran as " the south pole is from the north pole". As such, in the context of our location, the shield's description isn't simply referring to Forossa; it is referring to Drangleic. So, of course, we can ask; who is this god of war? "There are countless vestiges of long-lost gods in the ruins of Drangleic. Or perhaps they are the very same gods as ours, only known by different names." "Worship of the Sun, now a lost belief, was once widespread amongst great warriors. Upon the doors of the lost kingdoms, the Sun is emblazoned proudly; you may remember our talk about Shulva. The most likely conclusion is thus; Faraam is the Nameless King. Or rather, Faraam is a name given to the Nameless King, from his followers in Forossa and other regions in Drangleic. The worship of this " god of war" did not begin in Forossa; it began underground. Preached by the Sunken King. "Northwarders earned their title only after completing a great journey of great hardship, after which they would be worshipped as oracles of the war gods." Once again, the shared " hypocrisy " of the old faith raises it's head. Sorcerers as oracles; sorcerers as clerics. The fusion of faith and intelligence. Across the Shaded Ruins, Curse Jars are placed, just as they are in the Shrine Of Amana, and the caves in Huntsman's Copse. The Lion Clan themselves harness their power; their weapons seem to only inflict cursed damage in their own hands.... Where did they come by such fine control of the Dark? In the Doors Of Pharros, a pile of small idols sit quietly....
Thats a great fucking insight! Perhaps the gyrm are who aldia experimented on. Perhaps throwing a lion knight in the mixture for good measure and winding up with the lion clan monstrosities that we see in game.
@@TheHonoredMadmanYep. Whoever it is who did it to them, they probably thought they'd be happier, being this tall! The source of the literal "Lion" element(as in,them becoming literal manbeasts) is something I'm still debating with myself. Again, it all depends on the timeline; like I said, the Clan itself seems very,very old. It's actually possible the Knights were inspired by their legend instead of the other way around. I'm also thinking of the Sanctuary Guardian, for some reason. I'll expand on it in the morning. Goodnight!
Oh and the original is unlisted. I had to make a quick edit haha. But im definitely going to mention this in the video about the gyrm and pharros i have planned
@@alyseleem2692 imo, like the crow-humans in the painted world of ariamis, the lion knights/gyrms transformed out of faith and desperation more than some sort of genetic engineering made by aldia/seath, that wouldn't explain their finely crafted armors tho, that seem an object of religion more than mere armor or ornaments...
This is an edited re upload of yesterdays i just cut out that rambling at the end about petrification and made an edit about the basilisks lol it was bugging me
Dude, you are absolutely one of my favorite content creators on here. You're always entertaining and interesting, and I can't tell you how much I appreciate you taking the time to create these. Much Respect bro.
Nah stop being delusional, like really. It was done with bloodborne, sekiro and now elden ring they aren't connected, the creator has even stated so. The games have refeences to eachother, hmmm I wonder why? Might it have something to do with the fact that they are produced by the same company. Smh man, it's fun to theorize but don't spout it as a fact.
I love anything dark souls 2! I wonder what thoughts you have about pertification and the fragrant branch of yore. is there any solid description of these and their reason or origins. see you next time!
EDIT: really looking forward to the rat video. Re-up or no i'm always here for my fellow film buff boy. And no one cares but I always pronounced it as"Fah-Rom"
Here's the thing: if the devs don't care enough to tell you for certain or make it important to play the game, you are fool for wasting your time speculating. Its not they aren't telling you the answer, it that there IS no answer because they don't care about it. They just wanted to make lion enemies. Stop doing the writer job for them. They are supposed to compell YOU with their story. Not the other way around
@TheHonoredMadman you disagree but can't back it up. If you doubt, the real proof that never fails is trying write something yourself. If you've ever put any serious effort into it you quickly see just how lazy this fromsoft lore stuff is
