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The "Fighting Type War" of Gen 3 OU. 

Jimothy Cool
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Pokemon Competitive Singles in Gen 3 is a world where Fighting types are among the best wallbreakers available. Fighting Type moves hit Tyranitar hard, they threaten Steel types and do big neutral damage to many Common walls.
Most viable Fighting types are quite distinct with very clear advantages over the competition. However, the Pokemon Hariyama and Machamp are rather similar in their design and toolkits.
Both are mono Fighting types with Guts and a Bulky wallbreaking role.
While Hariyama is overall the more popular choice, Machamp has a bit more to offer than you might expect and is a better fit on certain teams depending on their pace and gameplan.
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@jimothycool
@jimothycool 29 дней назад
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@jaketerpening3284
@jaketerpening3284 29 дней назад
I have had this issue in watching previous tournaments, specifically SPL and ADV revival. Where can I see a tournament bracket/schedule? When it gets towards the end it's not such a big deal because the videos are listed Semifinals or Quarterfinals, but when they are just listed like week 1 or something, I can't tell what the stakes are for the match.
@theultimatepielord8697
@theultimatepielord8697 29 дней назад
I respect the refusal to acknowledge Huge Power and Pure Power as different abilities
@jimothycool
@jimothycool 29 дней назад
Those are distinct.
@dvdv4270
@dvdv4270 29 дней назад
Im pretty sure that if you used trace or skill swap or any ability that make you gain the foes ability on huge power, huge power boost would be halved from x2 to x1.5 (still x2 for azumarill line) for whatever reason while pure power stays the same…Why is this the case is beyond me(idk if it’s fixed but pretty sure this was a thing in gen 3(I may be wrong))
@mrtrollnator123
@mrtrollnator123 29 дней назад
​@@dvdv4270💀
@yasharthpandey6317
@yasharthpandey6317 29 дней назад
​@@dvdv4270It wasn't. That was false information.
@EarthBound_Fan
@EarthBound_Fan 29 дней назад
​@@dvdv4270Here to also say this is HELLA wrong
@guillemtb1671
@guillemtb1671 29 дней назад
6:28 don't forget that, since Machamp has 4 arms, his Encore lasts twice as much, as he can clap faster than other Pokémon.
@SoloCap-Music
@SoloCap-Music 29 дней назад
Plus, his Cross Chop hits twice, he just does it so fast that our mere mortal eyes only see it as 1 hit.
@MishKoz
@MishKoz 25 дней назад
​@@SoloCap-MusicI remember as a kid I thought it was Machamp's signature move, because in Gen 4 the description said something like "hits the foe with its forearms" and I thought they meant "four arms" lmao
@madder9166
@madder9166 29 дней назад
I love encores distribution in the early games. Wobbuffet has it bc he's based oof a comedian. Plusle and minun are cheerleaders. Spheal claps. And Machamp has 4 hands so he claps extra hard.
@CarolBlazing
@CarolBlazing 29 дней назад
How does JUMPLUFF clap
@szkonk
@szkonk 29 дней назад
@@CarolBlazing it's a cheerleading pom, duh.
@thisrandomdude2880
@thisrandomdude2880 29 дней назад
I like to imagine Machamp using encore to encourage his trainer at the gym. "Trainer used push-up" "Machamp used encore!" "Trainer was able to finish all his reps thanks to Machamp's encouragements!"
@jaketerpening3284
@jaketerpening3284 29 дней назад
@@thisrandomdude2880 Well, if you run out of PP for a move when you get Encored, then you just use struggle. So it's more like "Trainer used push-up" -> "Machamp used encore"->"Trainer used struggle"->"Trainer hurt itself with recoil".
@nullpoint3346
@nullpoint3346 15 дней назад
@@thisrandomdude2880 that just results in struggling into a ko...
@Wing_cap
@Wing_cap 29 дней назад
It's Fighting Friday, folks
@IronHands17
@IronHands17 29 дней назад
💪😎👊
@FromMan2Monkey-nb5fq
@FromMan2Monkey-nb5fq 29 дней назад
@@IronHands17get out of here iron hands, you need to be in the gym
@Gorvinhagen
@Gorvinhagen 29 дней назад
He didn't say "Medikam". This is groundbreaking.
@teo2805
@teo2805 29 дней назад
I don't even play competitive, I just like your videos
@nasukemugiwara
@nasukemugiwara 29 дней назад
Same
@TEETHWHORE2001
@TEETHWHORE2001 29 дней назад
For those of you who didn't watch the video or read the title, this videos covers the "fighting type war" in Generation 3 OU.
@totan3992
@totan3992 29 дней назад
You're not even gonna say who won? Don't be lazy
@TEETHWHORE2001
@TEETHWHORE2001 29 дней назад
@@totan3992 watch it yourself if you wanna figure it out.
@AttitudeIndicator
@AttitudeIndicator 29 дней назад
Thanks.
@unkarsthug4429
@unkarsthug4429 29 дней назад
I feel like it is more of an argument of why Machop is better than Hariyama. He didn't really give any points in Hariyamas favor, as even the positive things he mentioned, he later goes on to say why they actually aren't true. Could have done some more explaining on why knock off is so important.
@jaketerpening3284
@jaketerpening3284 29 дней назад
@@unkarsthug4429 It's more of an argument of why Hariyama doesn't completely outclass Machamp. He's talked about Hariyama in the past, so this one was about letting Machamp have his Monday.
@TheStrongestBaka
@TheStrongestBaka 29 дней назад
It appears that Blaziken has been kidnapped by the devious Iron Mugulis. As a member of the Blaziken fan club, i declare this situation not epic.
@_Bunger_
@_Bunger_ 29 дней назад
Don’t pit two bad bitches against each other
@handoverthestromboli6715
@handoverthestromboli6715 29 дней назад
he will never pit two bad bitches agai- Cereal
@alysondavy2485
@alysondavy2485 29 дней назад
Do it and tell them it's a clap off, everybody leaves that situation as a winner.
@felipesilva3732
@felipesilva3732 29 дней назад
Fighting types are great wall-breakers in generation 3
@Derevien
@Derevien 29 дней назад
OU, well equipped to handle deffensive teams.
@enafunnyperson
@enafunnyperson 29 дней назад
The most popular fighting types in the game are Heracross and Breloom.
@szkonk
@szkonk 29 дней назад
These are the only two OU ranked fighting type Pokemon in Gen 3, and both are quite distinct and fit on different types of teams.
@redrider578
@redrider578 29 дней назад
another fighting type that is commonly used in competitive play is medicham
@RedMoonie_
@RedMoonie_ 29 дней назад
Though this pokemon is ranked in UUBL it's seen a decent amount in high level play
@usernametaken017
@usernametaken017 29 дней назад
Every fighing has its type
@blackabe111
@blackabe111 29 дней назад
After this video my foes won't stand a fighting chance
@fluffy8634
@fluffy8634 29 дней назад
He's foreshadowing Machamp Memorial Day
@jan-seli
@jan-seli 29 дней назад
It's fighting-type Friday
@FlyingAce427
@FlyingAce427 29 дней назад
This is awesome, folks.
@hopelessfailure8248
@hopelessfailure8248 29 дней назад
A good way to start the morning
@dethiamthelaw1353
@dethiamthelaw1353 29 дней назад
Fighting types are great breakers in generation 3 OU
@vyrawllxo300
@vyrawllxo300 29 дней назад
And they only got better with Gen 4
@enafunnyperson
@enafunnyperson 29 дней назад
well equipped to handle defensive teams
@Cliff86
@Cliff86 29 дней назад
This video inspired me to load up mono-fighting and it did wonders
@Khyl49
@Khyl49 29 дней назад
I am a big fan of both Machamp and Hariyama, however, Machamp has his time in gen 4. I say we let Hariyama have this one, folks
@enafunnyperson
@enafunnyperson 29 дней назад
This is a great video for Fighting Friday. Thank you Jimothy.
@ErikBlekeberg
@ErikBlekeberg 29 дней назад
When Machamp got no guard it got even better imo. Perfectly accurate dynamic punch rocks
@Bea5rs
@Bea5rs 29 дней назад
ohhhhh
@posobio
@posobio 28 дней назад
He's just saying it became unidimensional, which is true.
@kaloncpu57
@kaloncpu57 29 дней назад
Love the Machamp discussion, and very excited for the Jimvitational
@lewishalsall3130
@lewishalsall3130 29 дней назад
Machamp has been great for me as a low ladder scrub, glad to see him getting some attention.
@oatmongen4263
@oatmongen4263 29 дней назад
Machamp is a very interesting mon in gen 4 imo. People are just starting to explore different sets with it that conserve dpunch pp, and I've noticed something special about cross chop on a no guard set, it's very good at fishing for crits alongside dpunch. Great introduction to probability management that pokemon.
@aetherblackbolt1301
@aetherblackbolt1301 29 дней назад
The Jimvitational? This is insane.
@michaelballack3051
@michaelballack3051 29 дней назад
Fighting types in ADV OU everyone
@tysondennis1016
@tysondennis1016 26 дней назад
I love how Iron Hands feels like a worthy successor to ADV Hariyama.
@mario-nk7be
@mario-nk7be 29 дней назад
1:38 Im sorry Jim, but the numbers state otherwise 252+ Atk 30 IVs Choice Band Tyranitar Focus Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Machamp: 330-389 (102.8 - 121.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252+ Atk 30 IVs Choice Band Tyranitar Focus Punch vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Machamp: 250-295 (65.1 - 76.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after sandstorm damage 252+ Atk 30 IVs Choice Band Tyranitar Focus Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hariyama: 415-489 (96.7 - 113.9%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO 252+ Atk 30 IVs Choice Band Tyranitar Focus Punch vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Hariyama: 295-348 (59.9 - 70.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after sandstorm damage Hariyama is actually the bulkier one physically. I believe hariyama is still bulkier on the special side too, but the difference is much smaller 252+ SpA Suicune Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Machamp: 192-226 (59.8 - 70.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 252+ SpA Suicune Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Hariyama: 253-298 (58.9 - 69.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
@jaketerpening3284
@jaketerpening3284 29 дней назад
Yeah, he kind of trolled this section a bit. The main notable advantage Machamp has with having higher defense but lower HP, is it gets better value out of investing in HP. Hariyama doesn't get much value out of investing in HP, and usually has to choose between defense and special defense investment (and usually I think actually drops some attack investment).
@notmyrealname5268
@notmyrealname5268 29 дней назад
I'm not the biggest Gen 3 fan myself, but I really appreciate what you've done for that and the wider competitive community. Great vid as always.
@hansoskar1911
@hansoskar1911 29 дней назад
I have never seen that many Cross Chops hit in a row.
@jensvide777
@jensvide777 29 дней назад
Hariyama can't use Encore because his arms are too far apart. On the other hand, Machamp is good at using Encore with his extra set of hands.
@AttitudeIndicator
@AttitudeIndicator 29 дней назад
I don't believe you.
@EggscellentTree
@EggscellentTree 29 дней назад
But he can clap his hands using fake out
@jensvide777
@jensvide777 29 дней назад
@@EggscellentTree Pokélogists are still puzzled by this.
@AttitudeIndicator
@AttitudeIndicator 29 дней назад
@@jensvide777 Pokeologist here, while it's true Hariyama's hands are too far apart to adequately perform the move "Encore", this doesn't affect Hariyama's ability to perform fake out whatsoever, because he's not using his hands, he's using his ass cheeks. Hariyama having access to the ability "Thick Fat" means his ass cheeks are fat enough to create a clap so loud as to cause a 100% flinch rate and minimal damage to an opposing pokemon. Unfortunately, Hariyama isn't able to encore with his ass, it's too heavy to rapidly clap the cheeks and create the effect.
@jensvide777
@jensvide777 29 дней назад
​@@AttitudeIndicator Fascinating hypothesis. It's unfortunate it goes against the status quo of the Poké research and will never be published.
@davidknopp1208
@davidknopp1208 28 дней назад
0:26 made me like 😭
@sunnyTPM
@sunnyTPM 29 дней назад
I have noticed that many wars are of the fighting type. Curious.
@radvil
@radvil 29 дней назад
The blaziken slander....
@feelsokayman5656
@feelsokayman5656 29 дней назад
Nice video as always Jim Question u playing gen 3 UU BL this month, is a spotlight metagame, i wanna play gen 3 ubers or something. Do u recomend the tier?
@evougaming5605
@evougaming5605 29 дней назад
Good video
@SilverScarletSpider
@SilverScarletSpider 29 дней назад
i’m waiting for Scizor Gen 3 lmao
@samson4712
@samson4712 29 дней назад
Fighting type are great wallbreakers in generation 3 OU
@Buzzed27
@Buzzed27 29 дней назад
How could you fail to mention that Machamp is also a world class Sunny Day setter with access to Fire Blast and the same special attack as known special attacker Snorlax?
@EggscellentTree
@EggscellentTree 29 дней назад
Hariyama is bulkier though, not that much bulkier, but it is bulkier: 252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Rock Slide vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hariyama: 155-183 (36.1 - 42.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after sandstorm damage 252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Rock Slide vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Machamp: 124-147 (38.6 - 45.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after sandstorm damage 252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Rock Slide vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Hariyama: 102-120 (20.7 - 24.3%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after sandstorm damage 252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Rock Slide vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Machamp: 85-101 (22.1 - 26.3%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after sandstorm damage
@triviszla1536
@triviszla1536 27 дней назад
the jimvitational
@Baratheon.
@Baratheon. 29 дней назад
Fighting types before the introduction of the fairies were my favorite to use
@getmilked6216
@getmilked6216 29 дней назад
these fighting types are awful friendly with eachother.
@AvDv96
@AvDv96 29 дней назад
I would love to watch a video about sun teams in gen 3
@kalaveet4649
@kalaveet4649 29 дней назад
I'm going into Jimvitational Play-Ins with guts like Machamp😎🔥
@nunoarmond3973
@nunoarmond3973 29 дней назад
Hello Jimothy Cool, is there a particular reason as to why you stopped putting the Pokepastes for teams in your description? I loved using the teams you posted
@ImHighAff
@ImHighAff 29 дней назад
can we get video for gen 3 raichu?
@looksfineforme9471
@looksfineforme9471 28 дней назад
My boi ttar isnt heavy 😢 He's just big rocked 🥺
@Rumielle
@Rumielle 29 дней назад
Every fighting type has its fury
@felipesilva3732
@felipesilva3732 29 дней назад
Are there any advantages on being slow in ADV? Since theres no trick room.
@jimothycool
@jimothycool 29 дней назад
Sometimes Celebi wants to be slower than enemy Celebi to pivot safely with BP
@yourdagan
@yourdagan 29 дней назад
Nothing as big as being faster in Trick Room.
@wraith.ferron
@wraith.ferron 25 дней назад
I hope a team with Blaziken wins as revenge for not being mentioned in the video
@TheCopternaut
@TheCopternaut 29 дней назад
what is the point of a jimothy cool video if i dont get updated on the latest decisions the council of horses has taken
@GIR177
@GIR177 29 дней назад
Hariyama's massive HP does have its advantages when it comes to switching into Blissey - Hariyama can take 5 seismic tosses without investment while Machamp only survives 3.
@gmangames3372
@gmangames3372 29 дней назад
talks about fighting types. Blaziken left the chat
@protocetid
@protocetid 20 дней назад
Jimothy Cool: "Machamp is mah champ."
@Heartache2491
@Heartache2491 29 дней назад
*now where's hitmontop?*
@EdmacZ
@EdmacZ 29 дней назад
Furious Fighters flash fighting fury on Friday.
@trevorstevenson4038
@trevorstevenson4038 29 дней назад
Special defence is a critical statistic on fighting Pokemon.
@aalamvirsinghdhaliwal1701
@aalamvirsinghdhaliwal1701 29 дней назад
I think you missed SkarmBliss killer Blaziken, viability wise I think it's about on par with Machamp
@jimothycool
@jimothycool 29 дней назад
Blaziken has lost my respect and is considered a ZU level Pokemon by many
@boop53
@boop53 29 дней назад
id argue even squirtle is better than blaziken
@robloxplays4322
@robloxplays4322 29 дней назад
⁠@@jimothycoolIt is considered a non-book manoeuvre to compare the bum blaziken to the sophisticated Pokémon of gen 3 ZU, like squirtle and clampearl
@chess_fella
@chess_fella 23 дня назад
Fighting moment.
@propheticrain-maker1486
@propheticrain-maker1486 29 дней назад
New Jimothy video 😫
@boa386
@boa386 29 дней назад
I'm ready for Machamp Mednesday
@LukeA471
@LukeA471 29 дней назад
PURE Power
@cephelos1098
@cephelos1098 29 дней назад
Machamp is definitely good, but his unique space is definitely way smaller than either Heracross or Breloom, and Hariyama was picked up by the Knock Off hype train. I think that he definitely could have potential, though, and while I'm not convinced Encore is as good of a unique tool as Knock Off, his total utility space has more overlap with the other fighting types than Hariyama. If I was going to have 2 fighting types on my team, idk if I'd consider Machamp over one of the OU boys + Hariyama, but if I'm only picking 1 I definitely would.
@armorbearer9702
@armorbearer9702 29 дней назад
Out of curiosity, how come no one uses a spikes team with Machamp?
@yourdagan
@yourdagan 29 дней назад
If you're basing this question off what was shown in the video, keep in mind that these are only a couple of examples.
@jaketerpening3284
@jaketerpening3284 29 дней назад
Machamp is already pretty solid against most Pokemon that aren't spikes immune. He niche tends to be relying more heavily on offense, so you don't want to spend as much time setting up spikes. Meanwhile, Hariyama uses knockoff to facilitate racking up chip damage, which makes him usually a better choice on teams with spikes.
@MariotheAnimator
@MariotheAnimator 29 дней назад
Machamp can use Encore because he can clap twice as much as the average Pokémon.
@geoffreygeorge999
@geoffreygeorge999 29 дней назад
Make a vid on gen 3 gengar
@richcantgame
@richcantgame 23 дня назад
I still don’t understand the point of BL tiers if you can’t use them outside of the tier above. The game would be different but allowing one per team from the BL above would be a more interesting way to balance test the tiers
@Luna-Lux
@Luna-Lux 29 дней назад
No blaziken? 😢
@RedBloodedMale777
@RedBloodedMale777 29 дней назад
Machamp is very epic
@CantusTropus
@CantusTropus 29 дней назад
I've been on Team Machamp, go the Champ!
@wentoneisendon6502
@wentoneisendon6502 29 дней назад
Are any of these fighting pokemon French?
@wentoneisendon6502
@wentoneisendon6502 29 дней назад
Wow, so Machamp does have some French origins! Fantastic!
@Rippimations
@Rippimations 29 дней назад
Finally someone asks the important questions
@nurrr897
@nurrr897 29 дней назад
Please don't tell everyone about bulk up machamp, it's my only strategy :(
@lildannyboi13
@lildannyboi13 28 дней назад
i like machamp c:
@benjulesrun9057
@benjulesrun9057 29 дней назад
i dont respect the erasure of a certain blazing kicking chicken
@BananaR777
@BananaR777 29 дней назад
What I find stupid is that machamp in later gens can't even learn drain punch.
@rjante2236
@rjante2236 26 дней назад
His arms are too strong to drain energy, clearly
@yungmuney5903
@yungmuney5903 29 дней назад
Makes me wish machamp has like 110 hp at the least, it's stats look underwhelming for its design.
@Leangreen69
@Leangreen69 25 дней назад
It’s stats are pretty min/maxed for a gen 1 Pokémon, could take 15 points out of special attack and put it somewhere more useful now that the elemental punches are all physical.
@chriswillis4960
@chriswillis4960 29 дней назад
Gen 3 is still the most diverse metagame in my opinion, one where you can build the most team options and a lot of pokemon feel balanced in ways other games dont in the series. Hariyama also has options that dont feel as explored possibly for good reasons however, for example thick fat is there for more defensive options against ice and fire moves. While Medicham is my personal favorite Gen 3 fighter. I love that Machamp in Hariyama bring similar yet different enough gameplay styles to the table and can prove even these slower fighters pack a big punch.
@bandurcer
@bandurcer 29 дней назад
I would argue that DPP OU is more diverse, but yeah, ADV is really diverse too
@Fin0fLenster
@Fin0fLenster 29 дней назад
Everything about the damage calcs I've done suggests Machamp takes a higher % damage from physical attacks than Hariyama does.
@ByrneBaby
@ByrneBaby 29 дней назад
So, I just calced Hariyama vs Machamp to check if the higher defensive stats makes Machampa sturdier... It doesn't. I made their attack stats equal, gave them max HP, max Def with a +Def nature, and checked their damage with Focus Punch on each other and: Machampson does 36.3 - 42.8% to Hariyama, while Hariyama does 39.8 - 46.8% to Machampey. Machomp's higher defense stat did not reduce the damage enough to outclass Hariyama's HP. Idk if this is an outlier calc, but as far as I can tell, with their attack stats identical and using the exact same move, that is definitive proof that Machampley is not as bulky physically no matter what. Machamploo will always take more damage across the spectrum of physical attacks when you place them in the exact same situations. I then checked +0 DD T-tar with EQ, and, with the same defensive investment, 252 HP, 0 Def, Machampion was still taking marginally more. All that said, Machamp is still THE champ in my heart. Thanks for the lesson, Jimothy
@dannyorrmedia
@dannyorrmedia 29 дней назад
It's Champ Chewsday, folks.
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