The Firebird Trumpet! 

*me resisting the urge to call it a piccolo superbone*

I have a Schagerl Superbone, and I love it. I pretty much play valves and slide interchangeably, or sometimes I'll play mostly slide but I'll use the valves as kind of a fancy F attachment for some of the outer slide positions. I would absolutely be interested in a reissued Holton Firebird, or any sort of derivative or knockoff instrument, it would be worth it for the slide vibrato alone.

I'm surprised you've not had a Dizzy bell trumpet on your channel yet! They're great.

It's funny--I initially thought you said that the Holton version had many "fingerings" all over it, but then I eventually realized you meant "finger rings"! 😄

So its a soprano superbone?

To let you know Holton firebird trumpet was designed for Canadian artist Maynard Ferguson. And Also the super bone.

The original Lidl’s made by Josef Lidl himself were actually really great instruments. I have a late 19th century Bb/A Flugelhorn from Lidl and it is one of the warmest, most sumptuous sounding instruments I’ve ever played.

Very cool. If I had one I'd use it to pick up hot brass groupie chicks who wouldn't be able to resist anyone who had such a cool instrument in their possession.

Very interesting looking horn

Hey Trent, been a long time fan of the channel, and I recently realized out of all of the brass instruments you've reviewed, you've never reviewed a cimbasso (an Italian trombone/tuba hybrid instrument), and just wanted to give a suggestion for a video. Good work on this one!

there were only two 7 position firebird trumpets made Maynard owned one and don ellis owned the other.

If I had a firebird, I'd play the lick. I am a very simple man, it doesn't take much to make me happy

i’d love a horn like that, i play a lot of jazz and do busking with some buddies and we have fun with it sometimes. having a slide on my trumpet, even just enough for a few semitones of coverage would open a lot of doors. the market is probably way too small for big brands, maybe wessex tubas would be able to find the niche

Josef Lidl is a very old Czech brass manufacturer (founded 1892). My first student horn was a Lidl before I moved up to a Conn.

I definitely think there is a place for dual slide/valve instruments like this one. I have and play both trumpets and trombones from soprano to bass, and had a riot trying out a superbone at a trombone convention once. I would love to get my hands on the soprano version, as well as a superbone of my own, without having to pay the inflated collector prices the originals go for. That said, the superbone/Firebird are certainly niche instruments, so I don't see them getting mass produced any time soon.

The Superbone has seven positions, correct? So what is limiting the trumpet to that many?

Today I’m watching this. At a parade yesterday someone lost a tuning slide and we joked We should replace it with a small trombone slide like a super bone but it’s a trumpet bone. Now look what popped up in my recommended!

As I wrote in my comment on your video about the superbone, I think these instruments are the equivalent in brass of wearing a belt and suspenders. If I had one, I'd probably try to trade it in for an instrument with either a slide or valves, but not both. I like the idea of a slide trumpet or a soprano trombone, but if you have the slide, what do you need the valves for? I think it would be much better to learn how to play with a slide than to have something that is in my opinion merely a crutch at best. That's not to say that other people might not have a different opinion.

We definitely need more of these types of things, since China can make anything, and cheaply, too! All we need are some rich dilettante brass players who like wacky stuff to contract with a Chinese maker to produce these. I bet they would sell out, and the world would become a slightly better place, eh? Innovation in brass instruments takes forever. How many centuries did it take to put a spit valve on trombones? Too many.

Trent, I've been watching your videos for a few years and I saw your video show up for the first time in a long time and holy crap!! You've lost a lot of weight very obviously, kudos to you and I look forward to more videos!!

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Hey, this has nothing to do with the video but I need to talk to an expert about this. What tone is mayonaise tuned in? I’m wondering becouse I’ve always wanted to learn to play the mayonaise but maby it whuld be hard transcribing songs to it.

I think it would be better to just buy one Trumpet and one Soprano Trombone and switch off between the two instead of having a funky two in one instrument like this but that's just my opinion.

So it was made by a budget supermarket?

Brilliant video! Almost more interesting that you had the knock-off so we could see the importance small things like the mentioned finger rings and lack of tuning, I'd love to try one some day!

Do you have a quadro trombone? You definitely should get one

I guess I could do more clean and aggressive bends on that thing. Besides that I dont see a use for it 😅

I am primarily a trumpet and mellophone player, but I would totally play this! I have also played a little trombone, so I am comfortable using a slide.

Can we have a link for the lidl bc I can only find the firebird

man your weight loss looks great!

It depends on the intonation of its overtones.

Dammn you lost a lot of weight.

I get Dizzy watching this.

What if you play the valves of the instrument while sliding the slide??? I wanna know how that sounds like

Pretty cool

Superbone Trumpet!

Oh Man!! I was so hoping to hear it and what it sounded like, even if you are not "accomplished" with it!!! I mean it is much more than a slide whistle, and it has got to have some trick sound to it, at least a quick demo?? PLEASE!!!

The obscure horns that infest this planet are amazing, do something on "PISTON HORNS" that are NOT concert mellophones, nor marching mellophones, how about a 5 piston non-compensating euphonium, etc., the list is a long one, for sure.........

First time commenting . Hi from Scotland. This firebird i have never seen or heard. My gosh its a cool little piece of kit! Id literally be all fingers and thumbs as im still new back to UK Brass Banding. My Sterling Tenor Horn with hexagonal valve buttons brings me such joy...if i ever find the right mouthpiece 🤔. Great fan of your videos and content. Really does help in developing my playing. Thanks dude. Look forward to watching more!

Wait did he say it's a lidl instrument?? That's a supermarket

I'd make the slide longer and compensate by using a shorter cornet bell section; deffo a couple pinky rings; I'd also fit a tuning slide mechanism into the lead pipe. I know there's not a lot of room, but some tuning capability might be less atrocious than none.

Honestly, I suppose it has a time and a place for... parties? But one of the best thing about trombones is their free flowing ability. Having so few bends in the instrument gives a super pure and beautiful sound. When you add 3 valves, it loses that value and has that tightness that valved instruments have which isn't inherently bad but it takes away what a trombone is about. That's why valved trombones sound so stuffy compared to a slide trombone. And while bass trombones most often have two valves, when wrapped loosely it's usually not quite enough to take away from the looseness the trombone provides, but once you add that their one it definitely does. So personally, I see a super bone more like a valved trombone that has a slide rather than a slide trombone given 3 valves which honestly I don't care for.

As a trombone player who barely can play on valves, I would mostly make use of the slide and use the valves less that the instrument probably intended. That being said, I still think this would be a really fun instrument to play on.

I'm not as big into music nowadays as I was back in school, but back in school I was constantly switching between a trombone and a euphonium, and jazz and pep band, I was constantly switching between a normal trombone and a valve trombone. I definitely feel like having a super bone would have made my job a lot easier

Being a tuba/euph kind of guy, I would probably hang it on the wall next to my thankfully unplayable Eb alto horn.

If you would like to check out one of these that is slightly better made, there's one going for 1k on reverb. I can sendyouthe link if you would like.

hi

Surely some fab microtonal music would be ok the cards!

Nice vid

Why has Trent lost weight?

i would love one of those, as a trombone player

Nice idea, but it really has a small target market. Nice video 2x👍

LIDL? That’s a supermarket, isn’t it? Well, they are known for knockoff stuff as well, not bad knockoff stuff either!!!

I've been wanting one of these trumpets for soooo long

how low could you play on one of these?

Interestingly interesting!

yay new vid

I have original Holton Firebird.

Why are Czech instruments so rare? They have had great composers and Bohemian Polka is perhaps the best music ever. Why aren't there many instruments made in the Czech republic?

i need one of these

Huh

Trent you like Drum Corps?

lmao Lidl is a german supermarket

I love how you take the piss out of twoset violin! P.s i conformed from violin to trumpet :)

If I had one of those I would box it up and send it to you. Give me a trumpet or trombone not this unholy mix

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