The First AAA Souls-Like: Lords of the Fallen - what went wrong? 

Yo, thanks for the response! It's super cool to hear from one of the original devs!

Bro, The Surge 2 was such a jam, picked it up on steam sale and it just stole an entire week from me. It was a massive improvement over the first one in the series as well and I can't wait for another like it.

Surge 1(good) and 2 (great) games

The Surge did everything better!

The Surge 2 was such a great game! I even enjoyed it more than dark souls in *some* aspects

I read that in Syndrome's voice

@@CelestialDraconis You are doing it right :)

you're talking about dark souls 3 right?

Oh hey Sun Wukong. Rare to see a fellow Musou fan

@@SeanHiruki Love Warriors series. It even made me to read "Romance of the Three Kingdoms" and "Journey to the West".

ye so damn unique man

It’s not unique dog whatsoever stfu😭 it’s the definition of unoriginal

they actually spelled worshipper as "worshiper" in the boss bar. mental

lords of the fallen 2: judgement day

First Warden was sick as fuck tho tbh

Shout out to flexile sentry.

Or armored up like the turtle knights in dark souls 2.

Shoutout to Ryomen Sukuna from nioh 2

Darkwraiths in DS3 dodging 90% of my backstabs and going for Dark Hand

lmao I appreciate the comment, it was such a cheesy dumb line that I almost cut it last minute

@@IronPineapple Are you kidding. That was amazing.

@@IronPineapple It's cheesy but I think it's simple enough to keep in the viewer's mind when or if they talk about LOTF with anyone. Not to mention it *makes sense* in the context of how dark the whole game is.

@@IronPineapple that line was honestly inspiring and put a lot into perspective.

@@IronPineapple It was an incredible line though.

hey thanks!

@@IronPineapple keep up the good work bro

Can anyone tell me what game is in 0:54? Update: I found it

@@KrispyBread uhhhh I don't remember the name but he's covered it in a previous vid

what voice? since when can a metallic fruit wearing a six-eyed helmet with sunglasses speak?

Did you feel it in your dark or in your soul, though???

Just like Dark souls 2

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It’s always the darkest before the soul - John darksouls

@@Hermit1O1 we found the redditor boys

The way he evaluates games is amazing. He has a lot of perspective, and explains every aspect he likes and dislikes about something. Usually going as far as to say "I understand that some may like the part I dislike, so here's the game for you"

Yeah iron pineapple is pretty analytic in his videos, far more so than game journalists like ign.

This is why i love his content. Hes very clear about how this is all his opinion, is very fair in his analysis of games. Hell sometimes i think he's too nice and i love some games that are admittedly very rough 😂

I don't recall him saying "mediocre" in the video

12? Dude, that's Charlemagne's number. Arthur had in excess of 200 iirc.

@@andyknightwarden9746 the table must have been big then

@@joseisrael2946 😂😂😂😂

They did something to that affect in Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver, in that you have to murder your former knight brethren, transformed into vampiric monstrosities.

yeah people tend to forget how many knights there were, mostly cause pop culture just pretends most of them don’t exist, even tho they’re all super cool, like the two werewolf knights, the literal capital G Giant knight, the knight who can shoot fire from his hands, and it was also multi cultural and multi religious, with multiple Arabic and Muslim knights. And a lot of them existed in folklore outside of Arthur, the Round table was kinda like the Medieval Europe equivalent to the Avengers

I think the legendary weapons are a cool idea, but I found the requirements for almost all of them to be pretty lame and unfun, like "beat this boss without taking damage". Was hoping for something cooler along the lines of "chop off the dragon's tail." Was going to mention them, but cut it from my script.

@@IronPineapple Ah yes the overused chop the creature tail during the fight.

@@IronPineapple that's how it works in the surge(by the same devs), you get a base version of the boss weapon for beating the boss and the real fancy version for destroying a certain part. honestly deck 13 is a great example of a dev who keeps improving with every game, this one is kinda bland and just ok but the surge 2 really stands on it's own with a unique setting and mechanics and is easily one of the best soulslikes out there

I utilised that glitch on my last (third playthrough) on the final boss only because the new game scaling is terrible with most enemies and bosses being complete pushovers in your first playthrough only to become absolute gods in your second and third ng.

@@TeeBeeOhh It's mind blowing that this game was and The Surge were made by the same teams. Love Surge 1 and 2.

Ah yes, the old classic, "One more slash before dodging! ... ...Turned out to be a fatal mistake, yes."

@@hazukichanx408 way more times than I could count lmao, it's so easy to get greedy

That’s honestly why the more aggressive combat style of Bloodborne didn’t grab me nearly as much: I played that last of the series and learned up to that point that being patient and defensive were key, only to suddenly be told “GO FAST HIT EVERYTHING”. Needless to say Bloodborne is my least favorite.

That’s also why they’ve deviated from this play style in future titles like Bloodborne, Sekiro, DS3, and Elden Ring. Slow is boring and easy

@@lowresolutionbunnyfeng3919 I haven't played Bloodborne or Sekiro, but Elden Ring feels like it's the same style as DS. Most individual boss attacks are faster for sure, but you can still beat them all easily by being very patient and studying each pattern before attempting to actually retaliate (except Malenia with her Waterfowl attack; I usually just give myself 60 vig and tank the damage from that one).

Only real ones got the gargoyle’s great axe😎

Same here

I did too and in all honsty i always thought I sucked till this vid. I always thought the must be something obvious you can do to this guy but I guess not lol

I stopped playing after the third room lmao.

Have you guys ever tried: run + strong attack?

@@AltioraQuaeriteCH I don't know it's been years since I played it.

Try mortal shell

مواليد 21 يناير 1988) هو مليونير برازيلي برتغالي مدير ومدون فيديو وممثل وممثل كوميدي وكاتب. إنه أحد مستخدمي RU-vid المعروفين في البرازيل مع أكثر من 42 مليون مشترك [2] مما يجعل قناته في المرتبة 43 الأكثر اشتراكًا على موقع الويب. بدأ حياته المهنية على RU-vid بالحديث عن المشاهير والأفلام والأنشطة اليومية بطريقة انتقادية أو كوميدية ، كونه أول قناة على RU-vid تصل إلى 17 مليون مشترك في البرازيل. [3] وهو أيضًا شقيق RU-vidr Luccas Neto. تركز مقاطع الفيديو الخاصة به حاليًا على الترفيه العام.

@Luis Martinez quick to beat, I'm pretty sure they mean

sorry i cant hear you over the sound of my fatrolling

Did you play even play Dark Souls 1? Better recheck the game and its fat fast rolls. Rolling in DS was Garbage before DS3, thats why everyone completes his first playthrough with a Shield. Didnt need that in LOTF btw. but yes it was Slow.

If only the surge 2 looked better. I dont know what happened with the art direction but the game looks so bad compared to the 1.

The surge has to many issues, the health management is a joke. 3 hits and you dead with o mater how many health implants.

thanks

Which are really phenomenal games, especially 2. 2 is probably the best "soulslike" out there.

Surge sucks tho

The Surge 2 is literally a better souls game than DS2 (not counting the pvp since Surge 2 has no PVP).

@@jer4d I've heard a lot about Nioh 2 too!

Mastu... Oh, wait!

The gang's all here! I wonder if "Infiltrator" will return in Lords of the Fallen 2? What are the lore implications of "Annihilator" and how will this impact the sequel?

It sounds like darksiders haha

dont forget the best one! "beast"

And they didn’t even spell “Worshipper” right (5:09)

I agree it's a valid answer, I was just explaining why it's not enough for me lol

It's still a valid question, though. I would rather plays Dark Souls 1 for the 50th time than Lords of the Fallen, and that's not even considering the various game changing mods it has.

@@HypothermicBacklash lords of the fallen isnt good by any means but if it wasnt for the clunky combat and roll i would probably play it. I remember playing the first 30 minutes and couldnt do anymore because of the slowness of it

Dude he even said it. "if you cant get enough of ds gameplay, then go for it"

@@spaghettisauce1104 The heavy feel of the game is the main reason I enjoy playing it. If it wasn't designed so you are a tank with this slow movement and attacks then it would have no niche.

first

never bothered. I was told it was easy. Not a good rep for a souls-like

I just downloaded it I’ll get back to you

I did. I freakin hated playing it

I have, for a little bit

Lords of the fallen Dev:"hey artist what's that boss you're working on" Artist *crying*:"i only know how to model knights"

Different devs tho

I come from the future. It was... eh

u DIDNT PUT ANY ATTRIBUTE POINTS ON AGAILITY 2nd u play with heavy waeopon 3rd heavy armor Tip: Make rogue build put on hit-gountlet or op daggers Play mid weight armor Attribute health up to 30 And agility 30 Tgere u go ure op now Dont forget about stealth op class abilities...

It wasnt bad, i enjoyed it and wanna go back but it could be better, by the final zone i was kinda just ready for it to be over And the final boss of radiant ending... just wow... never doing that ending again.

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"Every soul has its dark" -Dark Soul, famous protagonist from the hit franchise Dark Souls

yeah cheers bro ill drink to that

right after he said that i got an ad for the movie Soul

@@Dsonsee Time for crab -Dark Soul after getting to Road of Sacrifices

Do you also enjoy magic shows and theme parks? If so, an amazing world awaits you outside.

to be fair, dark souls 3 has the demon prince which obviously start with 2 very similar demons as well and thats one hell of a boss fight

@@Xzibitfreek One of my favorite boss fights for sure

@@jeremiahmgallagher3508 til you get to NG+ and the demon prince got tons of HP jesus

No, it's "Every dark has its soul"

Wait I thought Halo was the protagonist of Dark Souls?

@@connoroneal7405 No, you're thinking of Zelda.

"Every soul has its dark..."

@fucku weebsnfurries What’s wrong with my cat, he was a thad

As u should

God dammit Leroy

Alright chums let's do this

@@ryuuteimaru5858 *time's up let's do this

@Ryan Vetter it’s ok Ryan. Everyone here is friends. But your abusive drinking is causing a rift in are friendship. I don’t want to get a call one day saying you died in a car crash from you drinking and driving. Please, let’s us help you. Where here for you. It’ll be ok.

Hey, we like what we like, nothing wrong with enjoying something as long as you can accept that others might not. Personally LOTF never looked that great to me, many of the reasons Iron Pineapple listed are why, but I am intrigued by the new game, even though the recent trailer was cinematic only I'm intrigued to see how much the franchise will evolve.

LOTF is pure kino and a great game - this dude just likes to shit on stuff

LOTF is not a bad game. It is a bit lack luster in inspiration though. That is why everyone is crapping on it. It copied Dark Souls but missed the mark on what made Dark Souls so outsandingly great. As did ALL of the Dark Souls sequels... I hear Elden Ring is back to form though. I dont know, I refuse to buy AAA games at release anymore because I refuse to pay full price to essentially be a beta tester.

@@Astrochronic you could pirate triple a games. Not like they would care (the developers, that is)

@@dootpooter4740”this dude” actually is known for going very easy on games and being overly positive.

That boss actually sounds so lame xD

The graveyard boss or something? Fuck I just remember stopping after the game told me to hide in the gazebo and then I got hit by his shit anyway

That sounds like a Nioh boss

@@ThisAdamGuy except in Nioh there is nowhere to hide

@@salsashark4133 yeah there is. Same as the comment, hide underneath the gazebo thing and it can't get you.

I dont think Demon Ruins and Izalith equal the second half of the game

@@ideyaa3640 Duke's Archives is fine, but the Crystal Cave is super short. Tomb of the Giants is also short. New Londo post-draining? Also short. They're not *bad* areas, and a huge step above Lost Izalith, but they are a decline in quality compared to the rest of the game. Plus the fact that you just head straight there, run around a bit, beat the bosses, and boom, you're on the path to Gwyn. It's a fine enough finish, but the first half of the game is definitely much better.

@@xSilentZeroXx it is funny how you took half of every area and said they were short, Tomb of Giant is connected with the catacombs, New Londo pre and post draining is still one area, so you do one half of the area and leave, then come back later to do the other half and complain about it being too short? really?

@Lagarto Verde The second half of the game is a big step down in terms of quality. It is a well known fact that the game's second half is not in the form it was originally intended to be in. Izalith is trash for obvious reasons. The Duke's Archives spammed high defense enemies and archers at the end of hallways but isn't too bad, and Crystal Cave is barely an area and what it has is mediocre at best with the stupid invisible pathway gimmick and poor and uninspired enemy placement and design. Tomb of the Giants is horrible because the darkness is a fucking stupid mechanic. The area is insanely cheap and frustrating, getting most of its difficulty from players falling off the edge and enemies that are spammy and do insane damage, with the last area before Nito being a Pinwheel clone spamfest. New Londo is pure spam as well, especially the part before you drain the water. It's an endless string of dozens of enemies that ambush you from every direction constantly and is extremely frustrating and uninspired. The lower part isn't too bad but it's still not nearly as good as it could have been.

damn thats hard burn.

oh fuck a movement shooter with one or two punishing ass mechanics would be amazing

My friend, I am here to tell you about The Surge 1& 2.

Ashen video when?

Honestly, dark souls with more exploration and an evolving hub area seems like a dream game to me

Lol, I just bought the game today.

@@churibman It is pretty fun. I recommend it

Don't wait for the video, play the game, it is fantastic

So did Quelaag

مواليد 21 يناير 1988) هو مليونير برازيلي برتغالي مدير ومدون فيديو وممثل وممثل كوميدي وكاتب. إنه أحد مستخدمي RU-vid المعروفين في البرازيل مع أكثر من 42 مليون مشترك [2] مما يجعل قناته في المرتبة 43 الأكثر اشتراكًا على موقع الويب. بدأ حياته المهنية على RU-vid بالحديث عن المشاهير والأفلام والأنشطة اليومية بطريقة انتقادية أو كوميدية ، كونه أول قناة على RU-vid تصل إلى 17 مليون مشترك في البرازيل. [3] وهو أيضًا شقيق RU-vidr Luccas Neto. تركز مقاطع الفيديو الخاصة به حاليًا على الترفيه العام.

@@Walter-su4ni walter white wtf are you going on about

@@ratatouilledrinksclorax9897 bot

@@Walter-su4ni my man talking about Felipe Neto loooool

I would play the shit out of a metroid souls like

Metroid Prime Souls

@@casulscrub5978 Would you honestly though? Or does that just sound good in your head rather than in practice?

@@gamerinatrance3618 I'm pretty easy to please, so probably

@@gamerinatrance3618 I think it'd be fun.

@@cenciende9401 Everything except Grand Archives after Anor Londo

@@cenciende9401 Demon ruins and lost izalith. Are you on drugs?

@@cenciende9401 lol dude even Miyazaki and FromSoft have admitted this was the case in areas like Lost Izalith. If you didn't notice, maybe you're on drugs, or have had your head severely under the sand. It's one of the most commonly brought up points as to why DS1 gets hate. Which, by the way, I'm not doing. That's just the facts. Sober up m8

@@cenciende9401 I've played Dark Souls 1 for hundreds (possibly a thousand) hours. And I thought it was pretty good, but still prefer Demon's Souls. However, after replaying it on PC like a week ago, can't help but notice how shitty some stuff is. Izalith is easily the worst area in the game, everything in it from the eye sore visuals to the awful bosses is just bad. Grand Archives are cool but I never liked them, though I'll say they're well designed save for the mandatory boss death (unless you know and can perform a super specific jump). The Depths and Blighttown are lame tho, both boring and annoying. However you can skip them so it's not as bad.

@@Walamonga1313 As someone who has definitely played Dark Souls 1 for over a thousand hours, you start to forget about parts of the game that you don't go to anymore because you know to skip them or some way around them. In my first playthrough I made the brutal mistake of entering Blighttown normally. A truly gruelling trek all the way down, you finally find a bonfire, and beat Quelaag. One problem. How do you get out? Sure now I know I can take the lift up and end up in the woods, but when I first played I just did the whole area in reverse. Again, gruelling. There's also places that feel almost vestigial. Great Hollow, Ash Lake, Valley of Drakes, Lost Izalith, Demon Ruins. Then stuff that isn't really vestigial, but optional and therefore likely missed like the 2nd version of the Asylum, Painted World, Gwyndolin, the entire shortcut through the chaos servant covenant (absolute godsend tbh, I use it all the time). While a lot of the game is really good, people seem to forget the bad parts either out of not playing them in a while or not looking at it from a new players perspective. Sure, I know I can skip Lost Izalith and Blighttown, and I know how to cheese Ceaseless Discharge, and to pick up the Havel and Favor rings really early, but a lot of new people don't, so while to me they're not so bad, new players get swept by them. I distinctly remember in my first playthrough having to run all the way through Sen's for each shot at the boss, because the bonfire is hidden and the lift (which doesn't even look like a lift but instead window dressing) needs a key only found by making a perilous jump with the scuffed jump mechanics over a gap that looks like it was made to stop the player going the wrong way, NOT hide an important item. Sure, it was rewarding to beat Iron Golem in the end, but it wasn't "Fuck yeah, that was difficult, good job I had (some aspect of my build)" as it should be, it was "Thank fuck that's over with. I'm never going there again. Those wonky axe hitboxes can burn in hell." Code:Vein, while not exactly amazing, at least doesn't hide its save points so much, and the map is a huge help. While it does negate some of the fun of exploring, if I'm going to smash my head into a brick wall over and over again, I'd rather not have to run through 5 panes of glass to even reach the wall for each attempt, you know? That said Code:Vein isn't exactly good but I had fun.

Damn! No wonder! I like some of the concepts and gameplay elements in Surge, but I just could not finish it because the combat felt... *gross* . It was unexplainably uncomfortable to play. Now it all makes sense.

Yeah, the first Surge was definitely a marked improvement but combat just wasn’t there yet. The Surge 2 though? Much much better

@Mr. Arsinius What the hell does that even mean? The surge was great and The surge 2 even better. The combat was fun as hell and the way you get loot in that game should be in every other RPG.

@@TheDoctorThrax fun fact deck 13 commented on this video lol

@@Rileykard the combat in the surge has really good ideas, and the way you get loot is awesome, but it's also horribly executed, especially in the first game. The targeting of limbs barely works, the enemy designs barely make use of the mechanic, with 2 or so exceptions, the average person will reach retirement age by the time most of the weapons finish swinging, tons of uncancelable combo attacks that will keep going seconds after you finish pressing buttons, jank as fuck hit detection, and a bunch of other issues that, while not that much of a problem on their own, but add up to make a really unsatisfying combat experience.

Oof! I love both of those games. Two Worlds felt more like Gothic to me more than Oblivion though. (I'm also talking about Two Worlds 2 though)

i will say this, its a far superior game to 2worlds, no question about it.

I get it

@@marcosdheleno is it? heard 2 worlds were good.

@@rjc523 TW2 was ok, TW1 was pretty trash

Banjo, and to the same extent, conker, have a really crass and crude aesthetic and humour to them. So when that music is put into something that is trying to take it self seriously, this is what you get.

yeah, the first trailer was also just too good :D i hope the game can actually keep up. after playing elden ring id really play more souls likes

I totally understand why people enjoy it and why you'd want to play it if you just really want this type of game and want something close to souls after finishing all of the games, but yeah

@@IronPineapple Yeah, I never finished it because of how clunky it felt! I agree with pretty much everything you said in the vid lol

I completely disagree with the agility part; Having fuck-you levels of Poise is so much fun. Heavy armor in this game actually works, Dark Souls 3 should take a lesson.

This dude just described my life 😆

I liked it, not loved it but it was fine. Had some fun and overall, a good time. Not a great game though. Still, pretty alright. And personally, I liked the heavy feeling. Everything felt so _weighty_ . Like using heavy weapons should feel. Momentum and impact. It was easier than other souls like but it has its place as a lighter snack that tried to repeat an idea very closely and while not succeeding, just went for it. I wouldn’t have recommended it but personally, I bought it on some sale and didn’t regret it.

still haven't played through either, but I've heard more positive things from people who played both

@@IronPineappleI think the surge 2 is on PlayStation plus, would def recommend it there’s a lot of looping paths and other classic souls design but the presentation is unique enough

@@IronPineapple Surge 2 is much better than Surge, but Surge did introduce some really neat ideas. This studio working on the game now has made the Sniper Ghost Warrior series and a bunch of shovelware, so I'm kinda concerned about LotF2...

@@IronPineapple do u think you would be open to reviewing the surge games? Would love to hear your take on em.

@@IronPineapple ohoooo please try em out. Theyre phenomenal

Darksiders absolutely goated

Thats on some darksouks bosses too, like when you kill ornstain last to get his armor and when you rip seath's tail off to get that sword

@@glauconvieira7930 You can get smoughs armour if you fight him last though…

DS2 is horrible for this. It's a bit better in DS3.

@@StabStabStabStabby At least it's not like in DS1 where the enemies super zoom you.

Having played and beaten DS2 and watching this video it's not half that bad. DS2 has no sliding and the aim tracking is minimal. If it was worse I would have considered it maybe a hard game, but as it is DS2 is the easiest of the series.

@@RuneKatashima Assasin Maldron.jpg

@@RuneKatashima DS2:SOTFS has so many more enemies in an area I'm getting my ass whooped. 😩

Right? What a weird decision. It really grinds my gears...

Ahem, broforce with 500% screeb shake

Never actually been given a headache by a game. But outriders changed that for me.

Allow me to introduce you to Tomb Raider 2013, the console versions where you can't turn off the camera bobbing. Literally the only game to date that has made me feel physically uncomfortable when playing.

Ever seen a gameplay of the last avengers game ?

To be fair, most your decisions in this one do have an impact, but you won't notice it if you're not paying attention.

@@ghizghuth2088 also to be fair I haven’t played this game! Lol I just was saying in general I simply can’t stand that. Senor iron pineapple has pretty good taste so I let him torture himself playing these games so I can save some time. Do you recommend it? Would you say this is worth the money to go ahead and buy?

@@connorburrus6069 Certainly not no xD As he just said in his video, well it's pretty bland and boring. It's nice if you're terrible at Dark Souls but want to play one and feel like you're very good at it, or if you like being the generic knight with the generice shield and sword and kill demon knights, but otherwise no. I happen to fit into these two categories so I had fun playing it, but I don't recommend it. Most of all, Iron Pineapple only used the warrior's fatigue spell, but each class only has 4 spells, there are 3 classes, and the Thief has 3 garbage spells out of 4, one of them being invisibility only if the enemy hasn't spotted you. Or is not scripted. So you're better of not buying it ^^

@@ghizghuth2088 dude thanks for taking the time to give me a run down! You have fully satisfied my curiosity. Thankfully too because you saved me some munny! Haha I can fulfill my urges to knight around and kill within Lordran. I will have to keep my hopeful gaze set to the wide horizon of youtube expectantly, that I may find a game in which I may bask in its incandescence

Looks at elder scrolls

That's like when I first played through Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles by myself on the Gamecube.. then getting a PS2 and playing FFX and crying emotionally through the whole game.. Just a world of difference there. ^_^

I honestly just liked the trailers and was young & naive. But still - I had fun.

مواليد 21 يناير 1988) هو مليونير برازيلي برتغالي مدير ومدون فيديو وممثل وممثل كوميدي وكاتب. إنه أحد مستخدمي RU-vid المعروفين في البرازيل مع أكثر من 42 مليون مشترك [2] مما يجعل قناته في المرتبة 43 الأكثر اشتراكًا على موقع الويب. بدأ حياته المهنية على RU-vid بالحديث عن المشاهير والأفلام والأنشطة اليومية بطريقة انتقادية أو كوميدية ، كونه أول قناة على RU-vid تصل إلى 17 مليون مشترك في البرازيل. [3] وهو أيضًا شقيق RU-vidr Luccas Neto. تركز مقاطع الفيديو الخاصة به حاليًا على الترفيه العام.

Rogue like*

"Do you like Pokémon?" >No "Quit joking!" >No "Quit joking!" >No "Quit joking!" >No "Quit joking!"

Reminds me of Pokémon Colosseum. They give you an option to rejoin the bad guys the main character betrayed, but if you say "yes" the other guy assumes you're not being serious and will repeat the question until you say "no." Following it up with dialogue stating they knew you wouldn't rejoin was like a kick to the face.

Yup, meaningless choices before you even play the game: hmm, diamond or pearl?

I think false choices are just fine, as long as they aren't too obvious. The Witcher games are full of false choices, but it is often hard to tell how impactful a decision will actually be. Those games like to bite you in the ass with a few seemingly insignificant decisions you made, while some seemingly important decisions turn out to be completely inconsequential. This way, in a sense, every decision you make has a decent chance of being meaningful. They also do this thing where they'll make you feel like you made the wrong choice, regardless what you chose. Without loads of false choices, there's no way they could afford to flesh out those games as much as they did.

Honestly same goes for the Persona series, minus like one choice in the entire game

agreed

gay

gayer

Agreed

@@2bussy i was summoned?

Speaking of Agni and Rudra, did anyone ever notice their boss arena and location is really similar to the two Dragonriders in DS2? I think even the colour scheme is similar. Is there anything behind that, like both based on a similar myth?

I think the symmetry and room layout provides an inner satisfaction by default.

Dude, what are you smoking? Agni and Rudra's boss room is nothing like the Twin Dragon Rider boss room. First off: The demons have actual trash and bones littered everywhere as opposed to gold. Secondly it's more narrow which adds to the tension because the two are fast fucks. And lastly, because I'm too lazy to make more points, they're located in a fucking tower of hell that acts as a gateway between the human and demon worlds

@@misery1500 well dragon riders are also in a tower, high up in Drangleic Castle. Dimension wise they seem very similar, maybe slightly narrower but not enough to point it out. The fact the arenas have piles of something make it similar. One being gold and one being bones is irrelevant. It's a similar shaped room, in a Similar high up area, with similar piles placed in the arena.

Except Teme-ni-gru is an actual tower as opposed to being a tower that's connected to a tower. And I obviously noticed how narrow Agni and Rudra's boss room was and I'm practically an autistic slice of bread! And piles of stuff can make a difference especially when it pertains to lore. And besides, the DR room is more square than it is rectangular. I'm not sure about the exact positioning of A&D in regards to the towers heights, so I'll give you that

A souls game that turns into a musou in the late game sounds neat, your character grew so strong it now fights entire hordes of enemies. Hell the unlimited stamina spell would fit right in if that was the case.

Better use shelter, its the real god mode.

I honestly feel like this would have been much better as a Warhammer Fantasy game with the demons just being the forces of Chaos.

@@joshuakim5240 I think an aspiring champion of [insert god here] chugging their way through the wastes on their quest for ascension could've served as a neat hook. Which god you choose could also serve as a stand-in class system.

yes

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It's someone or something.

Dont tell me you dont see it

It's not weird at all, something in LotF obviously gelled with you in a way it didn't in Dark Souls, and when you got used to the gameplay and wanted more, were able to appreciate the nuances and flow of Soulsian combat. It took getting into Monster Hunter for Soulsborne style combat to click with me.

Worshipper?

@@hydroshock1853 maybe. I barely played it, realized it was trash pretty fast. Like after discovering that i had sequence broke the game by accident, i lost all interest in it

@@EmpireofJoe This game had potential. I actually like Harkyn, and the game throws some nice ideas like the shield charge, prayer moves, a Neverwinter aesthetic with Dark Souls gameplay, and swift attack-cancelling. But it's ruined by feeling like you're playing in slow-motion even with the lightest gear, boring enemies with so many spikes on their armor and shields that they would make Hela and Steppenwolf jealous, and boring bosses. Like seriously, they look cool, but they are far too tanky and repetitive. The Worshipper doesn't even look hard, but I found him hard because of your speed.

Actually…that’s pretty souls like 😂😂😂

But the problems (at least the ones presented in this video) aren't solved by not comparing to other games...

maybe someday!

@@IronPineapple the game's combat might not be perfect but the art style and characters you meet is a beautiful sight to be had. It really needs a spotlight.

@@IronPineapple does you even have poise bruh! Poise it through.

Ashens needs much more love, please, it runs so well on the switch and 10/10 recommend playing it with a friend

@@IronPineapple hold up, if you could do a small video on the DarkSouls Nightfall mod that was recently showcased, that would be interesting.

I remember that's how I got it for free. And it quickly became my game on "bad games night" where one of my siblings (or I) play a bad game and the others watch. We essentially do this for the lolz. I remember how "Not Dark Souls" this game was.

Me too lol it was free on xbox gold and got me into soul's games

Same man, this was my 1st soulslike too. I really liked it. But then I played Sekiro... And then DS Trilogy. And finally Elden Ring.

See I scrolled during the end of the video, wanted to see the 360 spin, and it went back 1 second when I clicked lol

I too gave up at the 3rd boss and never looked back.

Pfft- this gets a gold star

u DIDNT PUT ANY ATTRIBUTE POINTS ON AGAILITY 2nd u play with heavy waeopon 3rd heavy armor Tip: Make rogue build put on hit-gountlet or op daggers Play mid weight armor Attribute health up to 30 And agility 30 Tgere u go ure op now Dont forget about stealth op class abilities...

I think "Wo Long" has it too. But the credit for it definitely goes for LOTF.

LOL what are you talking about ? Lords of the Fallen goes artistically into a Warhammer direction which they nailed perfectly here. "Designs of huge macho guys". The main character looked nearly exactly like the new Kratos design before the latest God of War game. A design everybody loved.

@@TheKingofbrooklin no you cant say Kratos from the new gig of war looks the same because they are both bald dudes with beards. They look completely different and have different clothing, also kratos' white and red color palette is instantly recognizable whereas this 'generic warrior character' is instantly forgettable.

@@-kdot-2332 I agree but somehow this became a point in the review and people gladly took it over in the comments.

Different tastes! You hit the nail on the head, but completely in reverse for me personally. I can't stand to play DS because it's so damned ugly, but LotF had me hooked immediately. Some people enjoy big guy in dumb armor, too! (Much more so than undead jerky that walks like they pooped their diaper, imo) I also grew up playing a TON of garbage games, because my parents thought 5 bargin bin games were a better gift than a single $60 game, so I have a high tolerance for trash gameplay. THEM GRAPHICS THO

Lords of the Fallen took inspiration from Gears of War and Warhammer and to be fair, they nailed it. Every lore is different. ;) At least in those games you feel like a badass. In Souls-borne games you feel like a glass cannon all the time. Everything is scary or bigger than you.

Wait... Really? 🤣 OMG that's a pretty significant oversight.

Thats your fault for not reading the tip that shows up at the red stones checkpoint that says "hold L3 and then hold Y to save progress, keep the 2.00x but not get your potions and health"