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The FIRST F-22 Air to Air Kill is a Chinese Spy Balloon? 

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Discussing the recent shootdown of a Chinese Spy Balloon by an F-22 out of Langley. For all non-aviation content, follow my second channel LIFE WITH MOVER: / @mover69
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@skid2151
@skid2151 Год назад
The A-10 has more Air to Air kills than the Raptor...
@wodenbyers2593
@wodenbyers2593 Год назад
I am pretty sure most top soil on this earth is younger than the warthog, nothing but love for that unkillable airframe lol
@Aeronaut1975
@Aeronaut1975 Год назад
Yeah, but I'd like to see an A-10 at 60,000ft.
@skid2151
@skid2151 Год назад
Service ceiling for the Hog is 35000. No worries, just glad we took out the balloon!
@JohnBNeff
@JohnBNeff Год назад
Hawgs gone wild.
@roflchopter11
@roflchopter11 Год назад
The Blackhawk (I think) has more air to air kills than the Raptor.
@SR-bh5jd
@SR-bh5jd Год назад
Imagine the grief the F-22 Pilot would have received if he missed this target.
@osmoregulatoryorgan
@osmoregulatoryorgan Год назад
bro 😂😂
@MinhTran-fc7jl
@MinhTran-fc7jl Год назад
he probably has missed the first shot we just didn't see it filmed 😀
@rkan2
@rkan2 Год назад
The grief would've been more for the Weapons manufacturers... Lockheed Martin and Raytheon company...
@LWRC
@LWRC Год назад
Talk about pressure!!!
@4TheRecord
@4TheRecord Год назад
None, since it was considered a difficult shot to do since the missiles they have are designed to explode when hitting hard targets. Usually a missile would fly right through the balloon without exploding, but they must have set a timer on it or an altitude for it to automatically explode at. The fact they got it on the first shot is amazing.
@PassportBrosBusinessClass
@PassportBrosBusinessClass Год назад
Anyone using Tik Tok and complaining about Chinese espionage has serious cognitive dissonance issues.
@caroleinwv
@caroleinwv Год назад
Yep
@thepsychicspoon5984
@thepsychicspoon5984 Год назад
agreed
@gregson99
@gregson99 Год назад
Facts...
@johntomik4632
@johntomik4632 Год назад
And typing comments on a Chinese phone 😆
@MRsolidcolor
@MRsolidcolor Год назад
yeah the reason they waited IS: shocker joe biden and this admiration are in the pocket of the Chinese.. the paper tails cant be hid and its getting exposed.. and the "general" in charge is "i want to know about white rage", and the same guy that called china and told them hey if we are going to attack you ill be giving you a call to inform you first..... Yeah its obvious why is we let to go all over the us and they even canceled flights till it past.... that's weakness you stopped our who country because you feared a balloon from CHINA... more like they where told to let it go and did as they was told....
@napolea5915
@napolea5915 Год назад
"A balloon of this caliber is not something that you can just pop." man the seriousness on your face when you said this had me dying on the floor
@H3ntaig33K
@H3ntaig33K Год назад
5th gen balloon needs to be taken down by a 5th gen plane.
@someoneelse1550
@someoneelse1550 Год назад
I mean Canada couldn't take down a large balloon once because they were using bullets, which wouldn't create a significant enough hole for it to tear or leak enough to collapse... so a large projectile is still the best way to go
@rbrtck
@rbrtck 3 месяца назад
@@someoneelse1550 The CF-18s used explosive shells, but of course they weren't fused for balloons, so they didn't explode. But I doubt the small size of the AIM-9X did it, either. It probably had to explode, using a proximity rather than contact/impact fuse, to take out that balloon.
@rbrtck
@rbrtck 3 месяца назад
Was Mover joking? I think he was completely serious about the sheer size of this balloon making it very difficult to take down. I'm just glad the AIM-9X worked because, justified or not, it would have been embarrassing if it had failed. And it easily could have in any of several ways.
@Delatta1961
@Delatta1961 Год назад
Hi Mover. I witnessed the engagement from my backyard here in Loris, SC. The hour leading up to the kill was just as interesting as the shot itself. I can send you a video and some still that also haven’t been uploaded. I’m too am a retired Military Aviator and watching the number of fighters tracking and circling the balloon was impressive. I also saw about 4 F-15s at lower altitude, and the 2 F-22s, which clearly were obviously at a much higher altitude. So in my military mind this was very well planned and briefed. Some out there think the F-22s just launched, fired and went home. Hats off to the F-15 and KC-135 crews that were there making this historic event happen.
@MrBojangles2020
@MrBojangles2020 Год назад
Love my F15s!!
@Fatbat3000
@Fatbat3000 Год назад
Only cost a couple hundred million to shoot down a balloon :D
@humperdinckoglethorpe4180
@humperdinckoglethorpe4180 Год назад
@@Fatbat3000bro it’s not that big of a deal. Think of it like training.
@animepussy8356
@animepussy8356 Год назад
@@humperdinckoglethorpe4180 For what? More balloons? 6 fighters is just ridiculous for shooting down an off-course weather balloon.
@e.l.norton
@e.l.norton Год назад
​@@Fatbat3000Actually, no. The missile, plus some gas that would have been used for a training mission anyway. It didn't cost much.
@ale69420
@ale69420 Год назад
For me it's a good thing the Raptor has no kills. Speaks volume of the relative peace we live in and that "The best weapon, is the one you never need to use."
@skyhawk_4526
@skyhawk_4526 Год назад
Perhaps I'm a bit pessimistic, but I suspect this will be a very temporary condition.
@jaredtexter4440
@jaredtexter4440 Год назад
Really mean while we drone strike in all kinds of countries
@PythonRaptor
@PythonRaptor Год назад
They say the best weapon is one you never have to fire. I respectfully disagree. I prefer the weapon you only have to fire once ;)
@mach1251
@mach1251 Год назад
yes, neither does the minuteman missile, best weapon is the one that you don't have to use
@Mutation80
@Mutation80 Год назад
@@skyhawk_4526 Yeah, America is headed for a war with China
@bobjohnbowles
@bobjohnbowles Год назад
Thanks for your balanced explanation of what was going on. As you say, they probably get more info from our phones than from any balloon, but you don't know until the payload (or what's left of it) has been inspected.
@spoilofthelamb
@spoilofthelamb Год назад
First Air-to-Air kill over the continental US: June 4th 1942 - Battle of Dutch Harbor, over Otter Point. 1 Japanese fighter and 2 Japanese dive bombers were downed by a patrol of 6 US P-40s.
@miquelescribanoivars5049
@miquelescribanoivars5049 Год назад
What about Japanese explosive balloons? Pretty sure some got shot down.
@fastertove
@fastertove Год назад
Maybe. It depends on how 'continental US' was definition before 1959 :)
@ironman6527
@ironman6527 Год назад
The spy balloon marking on the Raptor is both awesome and funny as hell.
@austinado16
@austinado16 Год назад
4 more, and he's an ace!! Get sum!
@mathgasm8484
@mathgasm8484 Год назад
@@austinado16 ace balloon killer. We are all safe except for birthday parties.
@Justanotherconsumer
@Justanotherconsumer Год назад
@@mathgasm8484 ace balloon killer was a real deal back in WW1. Only the best of the best could claim that title.
@endjfcar
@endjfcar Год назад
It sucks that it's not real 😭
@austinado16
@austinado16 Год назад
@@mathgasm8484 The ATF just announced new regulations for balloon purchases and ownership. It covers types of balloons, and quantities of balloons, and includes a comprehensive section covering modifications.
@noahhastings6145
@noahhastings6145 Год назад
The first F-22 kill being a balloon is oddly fitting.
@MrRediablo
@MrRediablo Год назад
hahahahahha
@40yeartrucker25
@40yeartrucker25 Год назад
Was it 35 million dollars EA.?
@Starboatbuilder
@Starboatbuilder Год назад
@@40yeartrucker25 It is your tax dollars at work . Here in Canada we have the new F-35 with the question " does it start in cold weather"
@michaelbenjmitchell1
@michaelbenjmitchell1 Год назад
What is fitting is the Squadron doing the Balloon busting. The call sign they used was a nod to a pilot in the 94th Aero Squadron during WWI who had the reputation for being a balloon buster over 17 Balloon kills to his name.
@bcluett1697
@bcluett1697 Год назад
If that's all it ever has to kill that suits me fine. Seeing the little baloon silhouette on the nose is amusing.
@Skylineben33
@Skylineben33 Год назад
Thanks for the update!
@rhaythe
@rhaythe Год назад
Very nice, very to-the-point explanation about a lot of talking points concerning this issue. Thank you.
@aavvv_
@aavvv_ Год назад
Might be the first and only well-balanced, informative take I’ve seen or care to see. More than enough said. Thanks always, Mover.
@Axemantitan
@Axemantitan Год назад
Check out Ward Carroll's video on it.
@mikehunt6218
@mikehunt6218 Год назад
@@Axemantitan yes ward Carol had a good video on it... Great channel
@bustbeel1
@bustbeel1 Год назад
Joe Biden is a Coward after all he has Transexuals dancing on the Whitehouse Oval Office Desk that's why!
@bustbeel1
@bustbeel1 Год назад
My family member is an Intel Agent he said you can see way more with a Balloon you are all fooling yourselves! Lucky it was not carrying a small Nuke! Mr. Biden is incapable of protecting this Country just look at our Southern Border Now a Spy Balloon!
@imza5535
@imza5535 Год назад
Yeah any of those youtube short videos are cancer
@capt-rex2894
@capt-rex2894 Год назад
4:40 my man casually takes a 20mm round out of his pocket lol
@acirinelli
@acirinelli Год назад
Thanks for the clarification on the bullets vs missiles, I was wondering why they did that
@chrisvaaler
@chrisvaaler Год назад
Thank you for your honest assessment of a situation that has so much misinformation, and memes, around it. I have always appreciated your honest takes, humor, and respect for your profession. Your video on this subject is a master class.
@combatwombat2134
@combatwombat2134 Год назад
4:06 - The Canadians found out cannons and balloons don't mix back in '98. I think it was 2,000 rounds of ammunition they fired at a balloon and it didn't work. Not an experience the Americans are eager to have their own of, I'm sure.
@FlukeyLuke
@FlukeyLuke Год назад
Also Every single cannon shell that goes through that balloon WILL land somewhere on the floor Last thing you want is to claim you shot down 1 Ballon and 53 civilians down range with the 500 shells you fired
@hansgruber2509
@hansgruber2509 Год назад
That is classic bull-shite. 2000 rounds thru a balloon will turn it to swiss cheese and down it goes
@mexcore14
@mexcore14 Год назад
@@hansgruber2509 anything capable of shooting so many bullets will not be as accurate at a distance
@Galvalera
@Galvalera Год назад
The Australians found that out in the 1950's where they used 2 machine guns against a bunch of emus and the emus are still alive wandering around Western Australia.
@hansgruber2509
@hansgruber2509 Год назад
@@FlukeyLuke But shooting a missile is perfectly safe?
@ryansutton4379
@ryansutton4379 Год назад
Thanks for using my video!! I was watching it most of the day. It looked like there were 2 fighters circling it and they left as the 1 f22 came in to take the shot. It was awesome witnessing the first air to air over US soil, maybe since Pearl Harbor?
@delta34golf
@delta34golf Год назад
Hawaii becomes a US State in 1959, so I think that puts Pearl out as a US State. It also would out Alaska out, as it also became a state in 1959. But as US Territories that are now US States, I think Alaska takes it with the Battle of Dutch Harbor, June 3-4, 1943. As for Territories, I imagine it would be Guam, which was in 1944, but it's not now a US State. Anyways, interesting stuff. Thanks for sharing the video Ryan.
@looneyburgmusic
@looneyburgmusic Год назад
@@delta34golf If we are talking any US soil, State or territory, then it most likely would have been one of the Pacific islands or the Philippines that saw the first ever air-to-air combat/kill.
@xdaisy155
@xdaisy155 Год назад
Shooting balloon could be so exciting? Anyway it could be a weather balloon at the end of the day.
@irgendwieanders2121
@irgendwieanders2121 Год назад
The wet part - after the gritty bits - is called ocean 🙂 Soil is the thing before the gritty bits, mostly recognizable by the green bits sticking out of it 🙃 I'll show myself out
@erwinschmidt7265
@erwinschmidt7265 Год назад
Ryan Sutton - Yeah Buddy!! I'm kinda old as Gramps Henry Ford's 1st Apprentice in '01, but in my cloudy cobwebbed memory, I think there was mention of a take-down of enemy piloted aircraft over...............Pennsylvania, on 9-11?
@rbhoward9123
@rbhoward9123 Год назад
Liked the close up views! Best seen yet. Thanks for the F-16 pilot perspective.
@nt6470
@nt6470 Год назад
really appreciate the concise clarity
@bonsaibobrip61
@bonsaibobrip61 Год назад
99 spy balloons Floating in the winter sky Panic bells, it's red alert There's something here from Somewhere else The war machine springs to life Opens up one eager eye Focusing it on the sky The 99 spy balloons go by
@LocoFan611
@LocoFan611 Год назад
I'm glad to see someone else thought of "99 Red Balloons" (Neunundneunzig rote Luftballons) in regards to this. Thanks for the new lyrics.
@100pyatt
@100pyatt Год назад
🤣🏆🏆🏆
@skie6282
@skie6282 Год назад
99 washington Street 99 senators meet To worry, worry, never scurry Call the troops out in a hurry This is what we've waited for This is it boys, this is war The President is on the line As 99 spy balloons go by... Need this to be a cover
@mattai075
@mattai075 Год назад
99 Decision Street Ninety-nine ministers meet To worry, worry, super-scurry Call the troops out in a hurry This is what we've waited for This is it, boys, this is war The president is on the line As ninety-nine spy balloons go by Great song, sadly relevant.
@RiemsAI
@RiemsAI Год назад
hey i know this song! LOL
@vandyvoot1
@vandyvoot1 Год назад
Sir, thank you for explaining this in military terminology yet didn't get too far that any fan of military aviation wouldn't get too lost by, if at all. Retired USAF guy myself who actually was fortunate enough to make a repair for an F-18 as well. I admit, I was wondering why not guns and you explained it clearly. Great video.
@fastwing3295
@fastwing3295 Год назад
The USAF had F/A-18s? Since when?
@saladmancer8151
@saladmancer8151 Год назад
@@fastwing3295 isn't there a US law that punishes people for lying about being in the military? I am not from the US so i don't know
@jonsafuhto9220
@jonsafuhto9220 Год назад
USAF & F-18 = SUS
@davidtsiangwy
@davidtsiangwy Год назад
@@fastwing3295 It's highly likely that this person is making this up because the F-18 never served in the US Air Force.
@fastwing3295
@fastwing3295 Год назад
@@davidtsiangwy Yeah. I know. Hence the 'since when'.
@alakazoom87
@alakazoom87 Год назад
Good points made.. thanks for explaining
@SoCarBuckeye
@SoCarBuckeye Год назад
Great vid, i was watching it from my fire station in NMB. I was not expectingthe shoot so i have the after vid and i was alot more excited than the guy who took this vid. Mines more explicit in language lol. There seemed to be 2 flights (4 aircraft) circling, then they seemed to move to a staging area to the north. One fighter broke off and bee lined to the balloon and thats when the shoot happened. The explosion could be heard shortly after. The initial shoot aircraft immediately moved off to the soutwest and a sonic boom could be heard. Im guessing to escape debris because there was a metric shit ton falling, and im assuming that was mainly the solar panels. Looked like a bunch of flashes from the sun flickering off of the falling chunks. One aircraft stayed with the balloon and circled it as it fell. The other 3 departed shortly after. The sense of pride was overwelming honestly. Truely Awesome.
@RCI136
@RCI136 Год назад
Thanks for the video Mover, I have seen a lot of people ask why they didn't use the 20 mm. Also thought the story was cool that the pilots used the call sign 'FRANK01' FRANK02 in an apparent homage to a heroic pilot Frank Luke Jr. an American fighter ace in World War I better known as the 'Arizona Balloon Buster.' He is credited with shooting down 14 German surveillance balloons."
@michaelbenjmitchell1
@michaelbenjmitchell1 Год назад
Did you know that Frank Luke was a member of Eddie RickenBacher's 94th Aero Squadron.
@RCI136
@RCI136 Год назад
@@michaelbenjmitchell1 I didn't but I am enjoying reading about now, Thanks!
@justalpha9138
@justalpha9138 Год назад
Oh that's neat!
@gotanon9659
@gotanon9659 Год назад
Canada tried to do that with an out of control hot air ballon after firing houndres of 20mm rounds into the ballon it...still kept flying eventually crashing in the atlantic ocean.
@bgdabg6769
@bgdabg6769 Год назад
So there is USA history of fighting balloons, hahahahahah
@larrymangold1048
@larrymangold1048 Год назад
As a former SIGINT analyst, I think your assessment on the delay is correct.
@f.m.4138
@f.m.4138 Год назад
So why do you need 6+ days of intel gathering after you were gathering intel on it over the Pacific, Canada, then Montana…. It makes no sense to let them use this equipment on a complete overflight of the US when you probably had all of the useful data you needed before it even got here and certainly after it transited Minuteman sites in Montana. This was a complete and total failure of leadership. Utter stupidity.
@ssarkees
@ssarkees Год назад
Yup,,, What's the point of a ballon when you can use satellites and Signals Intel? this was china's way of saying F-You for the Pelosi visit to Taiwan.
@coyoteannabis1192
@coyoteannabis1192 Месяц назад
I dated a chick that had been in both the AF and the navy. RC-135's in the AF, P-3's and P-8's in the Navy. Just the unclassified stuff she told me about what those flying nerds can do, I can assure every American that that balloon sent back nothing but d**k pics and Winne The Pooh memes the entire time it was over US airspace... We didn't wait to shoot it down for safety, we waited because the sparkys were having too much fun with it.
@AlbaAdventures
@AlbaAdventures Год назад
Thanks for summarizing this for us.
@deanwilliams433
@deanwilliams433 Год назад
Great breakdown Mover!
@robertshiell887
@robertshiell887 Год назад
That was an excellent breakdown of events, just the facts with little hype or drama; very refreshing!
@hawgbreath
@hawgbreath Год назад
Really appreciate the professional explanation of this event, thanks!
@glenndavis7315
@glenndavis7315 Год назад
Thank you for the explanation!
@dallasyap3064
@dallasyap3064 Год назад
Thanks Mover for the great and simple explanation.
@RamblingRodeo
@RamblingRodeo Год назад
I appreicate the breakdown, i sent you the audio of the two pilots via email, thank you for explaining why they didn't use potential guns on the aircraft, that makes sense.... It is why i love listening to you when things happen, you give the REAL position and no bullshit!
@DSTsucks
@DSTsucks Год назад
Where can we find the audio. Do you know if it's posted anywhere?
@Zephyrion__
@Zephyrion__ Год назад
Where can the audio be found
@RamblingRodeo
@RamblingRodeo Год назад
@@Zephyrion__ ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-sMqRgAbPGMI.html&ab_channel=Jabbers
@gabrielvazquez1691
@gabrielvazquez1691 Год назад
Great insight perspective and analysis, as always, Mover. We thank you.
@AKRING30
@AKRING30 Год назад
Great video thank you fantastic summary
@1833marine
@1833marine Год назад
Great Explanation Mover.
@artdogg179
@artdogg179 Год назад
Such a great breakdown of this balloon event. Thanks!
@CanuckFlyer
@CanuckFlyer Год назад
Thank you for this video. Great explanations of questions we all had 👍
@maxwhite3981
@maxwhite3981 Год назад
👍
@MRsolidcolor
@MRsolidcolor Год назад
yeah the reason they waited IS: shocker joe biden and this admiration are in the pocket of the Chinese.. the paper tails cant be hid and its getting exposed.. and the "general" in charge is "i want to know about white rage", and the same guy that called china and told them hey if we are going to attack you ill be giving you a call to inform you first..... Yeah its obvious why is we let to go all over the us and they even canceled flights till it past.... that's weakness you stopped our who country because you feared a balloon from CHINA... more like they where told to let it go and did as they was told....
@alanlukes2503
@alanlukes2503 Год назад
Sensible review of the event. Thanks Mover.
@BezRengifo
@BezRengifo Год назад
I enjoyed the very thoughtful and informative video. Thank you 🙂
@PassportBrosBusinessClass
@PassportBrosBusinessClass Год назад
The pilot is now immortalized!
@mikek9297
@mikek9297 Год назад
TopGun 3 : Baloon Popper
@michaelripperger5674
@michaelripperger5674 Год назад
Balloon buster !
@majboomer1285
@majboomer1285 Год назад
Wonder if they will change his callsign to Carnival or Popper etc...lol
@v.dargain1678
@v.dargain1678 Год назад
Yeah right . He been immortalized by both sides . You stupid if you think BIG RED is going to let a political insult like that be forgotten easily .
@mrtotoro123
@mrtotoro123 Год назад
Thanks for the clear/concise/technical explanation. Much appreciated.
@rrocketman
@rrocketman Год назад
Thanks for the discussion bro
@Chinfo32
@Chinfo32 Год назад
Thank You for your Professional opinion!!! Your the Best, Mover!!!
@austinado16
@austinado16 Год назад
Outstanding video. In Ward Carroll's vid today, he mentions that they disarmed the missile so that it would just knock the payload off, without exploding it. I don't know if that's true or not. I cracked up at your debrief photo at the end....well played!!! And I truly hope there's an F22 with a balloon kill icon painted on the fuselage!! EDIT: Sorry, I see that a dozen other people have referenced Ward's vid in the comments. I hadn't read down far enough.
@BlueZirnitra
@BlueZirnitra Год назад
@@barrygrant2907 it was a poof not a boom. You had to struggle to identify the impact. Definitely doubt any firepower was involved. It's a bloody balloon lol.
@tonyv8925
@tonyv8925 Год назад
@@barrygrant2907 It could have been just the igniter charge instead of an operational warhead.
@TheCyberMantis
@TheCyberMantis Год назад
It looks like it hit the tether cable. The payload was falling in-tact. Very precise hit. Good job. No doubt, the NAVY recovered it, and the DARPA gang can analyze it.
@SternLX
@SternLX Год назад
@@tonyv8925 As a maintainer of AIM-9X's... they don't get delivered to the Air Craft as a Live AUR(All Up Round) without a Warhead. No such thing as an "Igniter Charge". No one in Ops orders a Live missile with a CAP warhead on a live Motor when that AC is assigned to Alert status. Ever. The Warhead is armed on the ground. The Pilot's Master Arm switch controls the Fuse arming and rocket motor arming. They(fuse and rocket motor) cannot be armed separately. There is literally a T-handle that has to be lifted and rotated on the body to arm the Warhead and Rocket motor(they're on the same electrical circuit). That task is completed by ground crew on the EOR(end of runway) pad. Civ's call it a Run up area. Either way, that AIM-9 was a 100% live round and used to it's designed ability.
@enisten
@enisten Год назад
@@TheCyberMantis Is it possible to shoot a cable from 5,000 ft away? Also, what do you think caused the balloon to explode then?
@scrubvision5652
@scrubvision5652 Год назад
as always a solid objective analysis good job mate
@ardyzink7928
@ardyzink7928 Год назад
My concern, right or wrong, is that it was a dry run for a EMP delivery system. And, of course, I am not alone in that thought. Good video.
@thepathnotfound
@thepathnotfound Год назад
Living close to Myrtle Beach this hit close to home, this was the clearest and more informative description of what happened! Thx
@maxreuv
@maxreuv Год назад
Drama free and unbiased, as usual, thank you!
@TaterRogers
@TaterRogers Год назад
Hey Mover! Did you feel the AIM9 coming off the rail at all? Former Viper crew chief at Nellis aggressor unit. We were the first VIper unit to become aggressors when the F5's were retired. :)
@Barbasnoo
@Barbasnoo Год назад
Love seeing the "Altitude, Airspeed, Brains" sign on the wall. Immediately took me back to the Spectre book series where I first read that saying.
@LL-ib5oj
@LL-ib5oj Год назад
The F-22 is the only fighter in history to never suffer an air to air loss from a ballon any ballon.
@afterburn2600
@afterburn2600 Год назад
You do us and this whole country a service. Thanks for all of it. Another great summary of events which are unfortunately plastered with misinformation [from other sources] flying everywhere.
@diraziz396
@diraziz396 Год назад
Thanks C.W. Also for the Tune at the end.
@radders261
@radders261 Год назад
A brilliantly balanced review mate!
@deef6844
@deef6844 Год назад
The first aircraft shot down over the United States was by Squadron Leader Ken Boomer, Royal Canadian Air Force on September 25, 1942 over Kiska Island, against a Nakajima Rufe (a Zero floatplane). A second Rufe was shot down shortly thereafter by Major John Chennault, USAAF, who was flying in the same fomation of P40s.
@brainandforce
@brainandforce Год назад
Is this the first air-to-air kill over the continental United States?
@zipz4777
@zipz4777 Год назад
Alaska was not a state until 1959.
@toddtheiste5068
@toddtheiste5068 Год назад
Wouldn't the first have been over Pearl Harbor? Makes this the first kill over Continental US.
@goingtoscotland
@goingtoscotland Год назад
@@toddtheiste5068 Neither Alaska nor Hawaii were actually part of the US during WWII.
@wisenber
@wisenber Год назад
@@zipz4777 "Alaska was not a state until 1959." Nor was Hawaii, yet that seemed like enough to have the US declare war.
@CommomsenseSmith
@CommomsenseSmith Год назад
Thanks Mover, I was one of them who were saying they should have just went after it sooner and shot it with the 20mm also. You put it in very good perspective. I was also overflown by the two F15s heading from MA to the kill zone I was wondering where they were going…
@WarthunderClipsAndShorts
@WarthunderClipsAndShorts Год назад
From what I''m understanding of the situation, the Aim9 was a programmed air burst round, it's goal was to target the midbody and airburst next to it to limit damage to the equipment, and maximize the damage to the baloon portion.
@willywayne5299
@willywayne5299 Год назад
Should of sent up another balloon with the Red Bull guy,he jumps on the China balloon,sets a world record for transfer of balloons!
@CWLemoine
@CWLemoine Год назад
Somebody call Tom Cruise!
@rr4298
@rr4298 Год назад
Or those idiots who changed planes mid air , it could have been there sentence .
@markman613
@markman613 Год назад
We should have captured it alive and put it in next years Macys parade.
@ronneidert
@ronneidert Год назад
They were fined for loss of control I believe.
@carbon1255
@carbon1255 Год назад
@@CWLemoine He does his own stunts, don't you know :P
@mrmike9803
@mrmike9803 Год назад
Thanks for the video. A lot of great information. I was confused about the use of the Aim-9x until I saw your explanation. I did not know a fox-2 was able to track a balloon before your explanation
@deadshot4245
@deadshot4245 Год назад
Any heat source greater than the background I’d imagine it would be able to see
@elvo6217
@elvo6217 Год назад
Very thorough review . I loved your opinion on it
@erichuff2538
@erichuff2538 Год назад
Great video sir 👍.
@tonywatkins6139
@tonywatkins6139 Год назад
Thanks Mover, excellent video and commentary on this incident. The only thing that would’ve been an improvement is if you’d been interviewed on a major news network. Your insights and thoughts are leaps and bounds better than anything I’ve heard out there so far.
@randyadkins4622
@randyadkins4622 Год назад
Everyone is so glad this "air battle" went in our favor ! We were all on the edge of our seats !
@jamesbrown5262
@jamesbrown5262 Год назад
US lost this battle, China was allowed to accomplished their mission.
@osmoregulatoryorgan
@osmoregulatoryorgan Год назад
@@jamesbrown5262 I get the feeling Biden was waiting for the ok from China once they got what they needed.
@xdviper4518
@xdviper4518 Год назад
@@jamesbrown5262 and you know what the mission was do you? Chinese spy much... lol
@sethadkins546
@sethadkins546 Год назад
@@jamesbrown5262 how the hell do you know
@ryanhodin5014
@ryanhodin5014 Год назад
@@jamesbrown5262 There's nothing the balloon could tell them that a satellite couldn't... Except maybe how quickly the US can shoot down a target like a slow-moving balloon. If we just tell China, and the world "Hey, we can see this thing! Look where it is!", we're saying we have the capability to shoot it down, but we don't care to. Then, we shoot it down over water after a massive delay (meaning we've revealed nothing about our capability), and that way it splashes down in a condition where maybe we can recover it and study it to see what it was actually supposed to do. So China has learned nothing, and the US has a cool balloon to study. How did the US lose again?
@faronanderson2536
@faronanderson2536 Год назад
Great shot.First go!👍🏽
@a.gabriel9109
@a.gabriel9109 Год назад
Good job. Finally. 👍
@EmperorBun
@EmperorBun Год назад
excellent, balanced, informative take on this. I learned a lot and you answered my "why not use the gun" question. Subbed!
@tylisirn
@tylisirn Год назад
Balloons have been a problem for fighters' guns ever since World War 1. Observation blimps were some of the hardest targets to bring down, because bullets just make holes which are barely an inconvenience to the blimp, and those blimps were even filled with hydrogen! (Because they were completely *full* of hydrogen, there wasn't any oxygen inside, so the hydrogen couldn't burn until the blimps had lots and lots of holes perforated in them, and thus even incendiary rounds had hard time bringing them down.)
@davidwearmouth851
@davidwearmouth851 Год назад
A well-executed, professional exercise. Good job, guys !!
@thejoker2214
@thejoker2214 Год назад
Yeahhhh against a non defending Balloon ! Ahahahahahah 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 are you kiding us hahahahjaha.
@stuge2589
@stuge2589 Год назад
Another (and perhaps the main) reason why I imagine no one would like to use the gun for this is that at 60000 ft flying at a stationary target the closure rate will be insanely high so the time window to put an accurate burst into it is very small, especially if you want to target the payload, and your capabitility to maneuver is minimal, so colliding with the balloon or debris seems like a real risk. Very different from the intended use of the gun from behind another fighter that is flying at a similar speed in front of you (minimal closure), turning, at lower altitude, at dogfighting speeds, and you can relax your turn or jink after your burst to avoid debris.
@byronharano2391
@byronharano2391 Год назад
I love your content and you're just fun to watch.
@WhiskeyTango84
@WhiskeyTango84 Год назад
a lot of people appreciate your insight in this manner. People in my state comment on how they would have shot it down if it came over their county....Again, if this was used to gather intelligence, thats why they didnt fly over my state. Thanks again.
@austinado16
@austinado16 Год назад
😂😂😂😂 Thank you for the laugh.
@davem2369
@davem2369 Год назад
In all my looks into the history of intelligence gathering u don't think I've ever seen a situation were if a source of intelligence gathering has been found they didn't take advantage of feeding it false info. This is apparently the fifth balloon in several years. I'd expect they've discovered a lot about how to fuck with them
@WhiskeyTango84
@WhiskeyTango84 Год назад
@@austinado16 anytime
@shane7133
@shane7133 Год назад
Lol
@Justanotherconsumer
@Justanotherconsumer Год назад
a burn for the ages, that one.
@BOGOWA22
@BOGOWA22 Год назад
Laugh all you want about the target being a balloon and stuff. The crazy part is that the intercept happened near the edge of jet fighter's ceiling, yet debris fell within 12 miles off shore. That's surgical coordination and intercept imho. Heard that the warhead in that AIM9X was removed/deactivated to make sure that debris of the spy balloon could be as intact as possible for analysis after retrieval. Kudos to that Raptor driver and everyone involved.
@integrity262
@integrity262 Год назад
Well said Sir.
@integrity262
@integrity262 Год назад
Hard for most of society to see and comprehend the importance of any subject matter as a whole these days.
@ketelin4285
@ketelin4285 Год назад
I laugh about allowing the "spy baloon" to complete it's mission . A farce
@Xeno88
@Xeno88 Год назад
"Raptor Driver" ah yes the driver is so talented as a pilot of toyota prius i can confirm.
@morm608
@morm608 Год назад
Lol surgical, as if they weren't shooting a sitting duck.
@melissajenniferjones9959
@melissajenniferjones9959 Год назад
Thank you Sir! Good aim!! 🦅🦅🦅🦅❤️❤️❤️❤️🌹🌹🌹
@undecidable42
@undecidable42 Год назад
Would love to hear a breakdown / explanation of the comms recording of this that came out, would be very interesting
@briangulley6027
@briangulley6027 Год назад
The USAF will award the pilot an Air Force Cross for his/her brave engagement with the balloon. I wonder if they painted a balloon on the side of the jet. This is how the pilot described the encounter, "There I was closing at 500 kts when I spotted the balloon, I went to max burner and pulled hard up and right, I kept my eyes on the balloon as it increased speed to 30 kts. I thought to myself it's now or never and I rolled in with my fangs out knowing I was risking everything. When the radar locked on, I felt bad for the balloon because its death was moments away. I suppressed those thoughts and let my training take over and I fired. I felt a thrill as the missile streaked toward the doomed balloon. Seconds later I had my first kill, like many firsts in my life I'll never forget this one." Of course, being a pilot, he used his hands to show the maneuvers as his described them. Thrilling story wouldn't you agree.
@ArizonaAstraLLC
@ArizonaAstraLLC Год назад
There is a killmark already lol
@jasondelaney6849
@jasondelaney6849 Год назад
will the pilot an award?
@pregnant9574
@pregnant9574 Год назад
🤣
@leyvajavier
@leyvajavier Год назад
"...with my fangs out knowing I was risking everything. [ b/c that's how aggressive I am] When the radar..."
@charletonzimmerman4205
@charletonzimmerman4205 Год назад
Don't forget about, his "Wingman" , you see a "Balloon" can a 'CLOWN" 🤡, be far away ? Waiting to "Pounce" ? "Scratch, "ONE" Balloon !🎈
@dexterr3txed664
@dexterr3txed664 Год назад
Got tired of the non-technical/BS coverage in the news, so came to hear from an expert; wasn't disappointed. Great job as always, Mooover!
@anonypersona3189
@anonypersona3189 Год назад
I heard it wasn't a prox fuse and only a dummy warhead used for the AIM-9X. Not sure I'd believe they would risk such a thing if true.
@dexterr3txed664
@dexterr3txed664 Год назад
@@anonypersona3189 Yep, just read about that as well. I assume they went w/ a kinetic warhead like the Hellfire R9X in order to bring down the balloon, but not cause too much damage such that there would be no intel left in the wreckage.
@bogdantzu12
@bogdantzu12 Год назад
Hello Mover,can you explain, the contrails at that high altitude?In dcs after 40000ft you dont get any cons
@BelowAverageCreations
@BelowAverageCreations Год назад
I watched a cool video that showed the balloon footage and in the corner they had the air traffic radar up. You could see the air force circling for quite some time, as the civilian passenger planes were being diverted further inland before the shot was taken.
@shaider1982
@shaider1982 Год назад
Thanks for explaining on how they attacked it that it will be easy for the Aim-9X to track. I though it wasn't useful as the target did not have an engine. Still impressive how this missile has improved. I remember reading that the early versions can be confused by the sun.
@Bova-Fett
@Bova-Fett Год назад
Even modern versions can be confused by the sun. Hard to counteract that if its going off pure IR
@goddepersonno3782
@goddepersonno3782 Год назад
there's been a massive host of improvements modern AIM-9X is one helluva beast original AIM-9A/Bs had a very specific flight envolope they could be fired in, pulled less than 15gs, and had to be fired specifically at the enemy jet's exhaust in order to track, and then the track was easily lost or evaded modern AIM-9X can pull around 50gs from memory, has all aspect lock, can ignore flares, possesses airburst capability, and with a 5th gen helmet mounted display can lock and engage targets from 270 degrees pilot vision
@F_Reduction
@F_Reduction Год назад
They don’t tell you have advanced their missiles are. This one’s might be older than the version using for the future 6th gen fighter jets. We normal people would never know what kind of weapons the government is making.
@MrLittlelawyer
@MrLittlelawyer Год назад
Solar panels have a very strong IR signature. That is probably what the AIM-9 locked onto, and it looks like it smacked right into them
@Ghostdog4
@Ghostdog4 Год назад
Salute! A precision hit. The next one will be taken out over the Aleutians. I didn't realize the balloon was powered and steerable. I can see Pranks being crafted as you are reading this. What thrill it must of been for the Pilot. If you are a Fighter Pilot you are one special human to earn the seat. Much Respect.
@toddbrackett4277
@toddbrackett4277 Год назад
Love your take on TicTok vs the balloon 🎈
@jonathanregan4344
@jonathanregan4344 Год назад
Also just to add, I don’t know if you said but per what I’ve heard they said with the aim 9x sidewinder is that it has no warhead on it, so that way it would do less damage to anything attached to the ballon.
@stab74
@stab74 Год назад
That's what Ward Carroll reported on his channel.
@Dyson_Cyberdynesystems
@Dyson_Cyberdynesystems Год назад
People forget that the warhead on a sidewinder isn't there to damage the target. Instead it disperses the fragments for a kinetic kill.
@RamadiTaxiDriver60M
@RamadiTaxiDriver60M Год назад
A kill is a kill. Sitting around KMMT listening to Generals ask if we could hit it with flechettes. Not at that altitude sir, lol. Thought the guys at Shaw would get the call.
@charlizesakura4468
@charlizesakura4468 Год назад
I love your explanations🙂
@jozsefpalkovics917
@jozsefpalkovics917 Год назад
Excellent video Mover! Is there any intel on if they discovered this balloon the instant it flew into US airspace or only well after that? In the latter case it could be a serious threat if equipped with any kind of weaponry...
@SpecJack15
@SpecJack15 Год назад
NORAD knew the balloon was headed into U.S. when it came over the Aleutian Islands. They knew in advance.
@jozsefpalkovics917
@jozsefpalkovics917 Год назад
@@SpecJack15 Now that's good news.
@brettwagner2950
@brettwagner2950 Год назад
Good vid! The F22 is invincible! You don't hear stories of SU57 shooting down balloons haha!
@austinado16
@austinado16 Год назад
Because our Russian friends would have smoked that thing 2 minutes after it launched, without saying a word, ever. "Hey.....what just happened to our "civilian weather information gathering" balloon? It was doing fine.... where'd it go?"
@logicplague2077
@logicplague2077 Год назад
You barely hear of an Su-57 even flying, to say nothing of firing weapons.
@supertec2023
@supertec2023 Год назад
If you want to read a good story about shooting down a drone . There's an old story called The Battle of Palmdale and you can find out what happens when you're shooting at things and things don't go the way you planned them to go
@js207802
@js207802 Год назад
Supposedly 2 USAF U2s were flying along it getting intelligence from Alaska and over the CONUS. Thanks for the video, great content.
@anthonyc5039
@anthonyc5039 Год назад
I can’t wait for the DCS Spy Balloon update!
@WarWolfOne6969
@WarWolfOne6969 Год назад
When I first. Heard about this I thought why are we not shooting it down right away. Then I thought about it and the safety issue came to mind, and I understood the hesitation. Then YOU said theres alot of info to hear what they're hearing... I never thought of that I'm not millitary background but thaaaat makes alot of sence! Thank you for putting situations like this into civilian terms. Love your channel
@jameswentz9460
@jameswentz9460 Год назад
@@madisntit6547 any transmissions would be encrypted from that payload to a satellite the longer a signal is transmitted and intercepted the better chance of decrypting the signal and understanding what info. Was intercepted.
@jameswentz9460
@jameswentz9460 Год назад
@@madisntit6547we do know it will never be published, and it shouldn't
@dsdy1205
@dsdy1205 Год назад
Absolutely the most stylish way to pop a balloon
@Milokitty-en5nb
@Milokitty-en5nb Год назад
This was a great take on the situation. Really helped clarify things. Every other breakdown is wrapped head to toe in politics and finding the truth within is basically impossible. Which is the new way of our country.
@PilotUlli
@PilotUlli Год назад
Thank you for this video Mover and the informative information! 👍 I would be happy if you would soon ruin the new movie "Plane" with Gerard Butler. 😁
@n.3352
@n.3352 Год назад
That balloon was a fearsome opponent, put up a hell of a fight.
@mikek9297
@mikek9297 Год назад
Yeah... almost made it to the merge with Raptor. Gotta respec the baloons.
@WALTERBROADDUS
@WALTERBROADDUS Год назад
Yeah, the balloon should have poped flares...🇨🇳🎈
@nexus1g
@nexus1g Год назад
I'd already guessed that they were gathering information themselves from the path of the balloon and potentially from data recovery. I didn't think about tipping our hand on our methods to respond to threats.
@paulclarke3132
@paulclarke3132 Год назад
Tipping our hand on our methods??? You mean like detecting it? Heck, I could see it from my back yard. You mean like shooting it down with a fighter jet? I guess now they know we have fighter jets with rockets. .
@nexus1g
@nexus1g Год назад
@@paulclarke3132 You good?
@VunderGuy
@VunderGuy Год назад
The level of spin in your statement would have been passable if the morons at the pentagon weren't also propagating and losing a proxy war against an opponent they are admittedly too cowardly and incompetent to fight directly. An opponent also tied at the hip with the squinty eyes. So no, stick you're 'the spooks had good reason not to immediately blow that up when they had the chance. Trust me bro' and shove it. Like a normal functioning human being, most people are just going to rightly assume that this whole debacle is just more incompetence and cowardice.
@INOD-2
@INOD-2 Год назад
I think our military was actually listening to the balloon and what it was transmitting back to China since well before it entered our airspace. If it was transmitting anything very sensitive, we certainly have the ability to jam the transmissions. Heck, we might have even hacked it and were sending the Chinese FAKE intel on it!
@TranThuanub150
@TranThuanub150 Год назад
Good job. I liked. God bless America. From Vietnam
@patrickmulligan4440
@patrickmulligan4440 Год назад
Never been prouder to be at Langley 🤙🏼
@YG-zv3me
@YG-zv3me Год назад
I remember when I had my first Air to Air kill against a balloon, I was Five at my sister's birth day party...
@uncle_kyle7149
@uncle_kyle7149 Год назад
Ward Carroll said a few things differently. 1st, he said the aim9x used had no warhead, he also said it was the ballon that was shot, and most importantly, it’s not actually a heater as it detects differences in light instead of heat. Not saying who is wrong or right, or that it even matters. More curiosity than anything. Enjoy your videos!
@CWLemoine
@CWLemoine Год назад
He corrected himself somewhere in these comments. The AIM-9X warhead is small.
@michaelmartin3936
@michaelmartin3936 Год назад
I am wondering if one reason for The delay in shooting it down was perhaps. They did a modification to the Aim9x. Would probably adjust the tracking sensors to the lower heat signature of the ball on and decrease the warhead explosive force so that the payload would receive less damage!
@FinalSentinel
@FinalSentinel Год назад
Also, just to chime in, radiant heat is light; infrared is just another wavelength of the electromagnetic spectrum (i.e. light), and radiant heat is transmitted by the electromagnetic spectrum (primarily in the infrared for most phenomena you’d observe on earth). They are the same thing!
@tams805
@tams805 Год назад
@@michaelmartin3936 Perhaps they did some modifications, but that's not the reason for the delay. It was delayed because it presented no threat, was an intelligence gathering opportunity, and if shot down over land could have turned into a risk.
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