started this by seeing you throwing speakers onto the ground was rather disturbing.... then when you grabbed the 2 screens from the heresy and the other one and sort of toss them over onto the floor further bothered me. I sense a general lack of respect for these wonderful products that people built.
Thank you for the sound clip comparisons. For me, by far, the KLH model 5's had the best clarity. The female voice sounded better on the Model 5's, as well. When the kick drum started during her chorus, that was the clincher. The drum sounded the most realistic.
Not truly possible to tell anything for sure from a recording of a room, played back through youtube through YOUR speakers in your room...TONS of variables.
You have a little gem, hiding behind you. The Warfdale EVO 4.2 . It will give even the most expensive speakers in that room t, a run for their money. Why not do a review on 4.2's ? Most people can't afford a 5K speaker.
With the KLH being half the price of the Missions and sounding equal or even a little better in some respects, they are definitely the best value here. The Wharfedales were outclassed by those two.
Mission 770 is my pick for sound. It sounded the most real the rest didnt have as high resolution, with the Wharfedale being the least resolving. KLH was my Second for sound Heresy’s dead Last. Heresy’s have never been pleasing for me, too Shrill and Pitchy. Awesome Vid as always.
I'd suggest Heresy speakers belong in a "lively" 25'x30' room or larger with a high ceiling. I've owned these, and they were too big for me and sounded shrill and muddy as my room(s) was too small, but set up in my buddy's garage-studio they sounded amazing with some of the cleanest bass I can recall. Heresy's can work as stage monitors for a live band, so they're in an entirely different class than the rest of these speakers. If you're not sitting 15+ feet away, too close.
Surprise, DrSinisster! My #1 and #2 choices were the same; Mission 770 were my #1 pick, no doubt of it. The KLH, were to my surprise, my #2 pick! The Wharfedale, which I presumed ahead would be my #2 pick, were actually not! The Wharfedale Lintons were, instead, my #3 pick. The female singer's voice is what nailed #2 and #3 choices for me. I agree about Klipsch being my last choice, also. Never much liked the the thinness, the shrillness nor the honkiness (not here, but it's even worse) coloration of some horns. I have noticed that tube amps tend to work better for horns (especially with the super-warm, lush and smooth sound with the EL34 power tubes plugged in), but are still not a complete cure.
@@xxxYYZxxx Having heard all of these, the Heresy if by FAR the worst sounding and FAR from neutral. They may sound "amazing" cranked up with some music, but it is a very colored and non accurate sound.The class they are in, is called "Lacking High Fidelity", They DO have their place for sure, but if one wants a speaker that plays what is on the actual recording, these are NOT the speaker.
I can't rate these speakers based on a RU-vid vid. But, I can say this- Like a kid in a candy store, I could spend all day in your store sampling all of your offerings. You guys have the best job in the world, your equipment is high art that plays musical joy.
That is why MEASUREMENTS matter so much. Hearing them in real life is great, but quite hard to do. Once you hear ONE in real life and compare to how they measure, you can then get a "Good idea" of how others will sound based on measurements. Not the whole picture, obviously, but have a very good idea of their sound.
Great video! The Misions were the stand out for me with PSBs also impressive. I wish CerwinVega! Would take the opportunity and build a new premium high efficiency 3 way. The timing couldn’t be any better 🔈👍🏻
Totally agree. I feel the exact same way. I own a pair of AT12s. Which I purchased new in '92.. They still look and sound great! (After replacing the surrounds a couple times)& I'm not afraid to rock them either.
The comparison was great! Would love to see the same for speakers > 5000. I would like to know how the Forte IV compare to speakers like, lets say Wharfedale Dovedale, the Sourcepoint 10 and the Elipson XLS 15.
I remember as a kid when my parents bought me a pair of realistic mach 2s for like 250 a piece and damn I was like that's so expensive. Still have them, of course had to refoamed but still shaking the house. Crazy it's like 5000 for speakers.
Definatly the Mission 770 is definatly the best overall sound that I prefer with the model 5 second. I've wanted the Mission ever since I watched Terry Ellis from The Pursuit of the Perfect System review them about 14 months ago. He a a unique system for setting up microphones that blew me away. For a 2 way speaker, to me, that blows away the other 4 in your test speakers speaks volumes. I wish we had a local dealer to review in person but can't find one in less than 200 miles from here.
I like the KLH best ! for the $ The mission's are amazing ! But I'm not giving up my baby Advent II's or my Sansui SP1500's any time soon but the new ones are sweet Lenny.
Great demonstration. This is one of the few videos where the comparison is valid. You guys know how to record music. The audio quality makes the judgements easy. The PSB and the KLH are almost the same. The Linton sounds bland, but maybe that's because the level is lower. The Heresy is just awful. The 770's are excellent, but not that far ahead of the PSB and KLH. The 770's are not worth over twice the price of the other two. I can't see anyone being unhappy with either the PSB or KLH. I currently own Ariel Acoustics 7T's so I think I'm OK for a while.
My entire sound system costs less than $1100. My record/music collection however is worth about 20 times that amount. Never forget why you switch your sound system on in the first place.
@@LennyFlorentine Not these days IMO. Golden era is here for audio equipment for some reason. Hard to believe even with everything else going on that you can get good buys on Audio..
I remember in the 80s going to my local Linn dealer Linton Audio in Gateshead England I had a Rega platter 3 deck and wanted to listen to a Linn LP12, they were a Great dealer asked what Type of Music I liked, put Queen on Quite Loud OMG I was blown away the sound Quality was Amazing, it was not so much the deck as the speakers Yamaha NS1000 😍 they were Fantastic and for a not to bad price of £550 biggest regret I ever had in listening to music was not buying them speakers 🤔
This is a fantastic video, THANK YOU for posting this. I could spend HOURS in your store testing speakers and amplifiers. My wife actually asked me what my biggest fantasy is, and I told her shopping in a store just like this A/B'ing systems all day to find my 'end game' system is by far what I'd like to do. These videos are exactly what I need.
Wait until you all listen to the all new Revival Audio Atalante 5 speakers they can hang with the Big Boys but are much cheaper ! The Best-Kept Secret on the Market...Right Now ! Your going to Love these Speakers...OMG
I went with the Linton’s and the Heresy IV’s. Totally different ends of the spectrum so depending on the music I am listening too or just depending on my ears that day I can flip between the two. Using a Yamaha R-N803 amplifier. It’s the only amp I have so can’t compare it to anything else but it seems to pair just fine with both sets of speakers, also have an SVS Micro Sub when I want to feel some more low end.
@@HanifBarnwell I was using the 4 ohm setting until I saw the Audioholics’s video the other day saying that most newer amplifiers with an ohm switch cut the power in half and it’s only done for liability these days and that any quality A/B class amp will handle the lower impedance just fine on the 8 ohm setting. Flipping between the two settings I didn’t really hear anything stand out to me sound wise. I haven’t had a chance to run it very long to see if it gets very warm since making the switch but I don’t feel the amp has ever run very warm, although admittedly I don’t run it anywhere near full out. I don’t think I ever get louder than -10db setting on the volume with the Linton’s. Usually between -15 and -12 is more likely.
@@HanifBarnwell I just did it the other day and I was listening to instrumental stuff. I’ll continue to mess around with it as well and play some vocal stuff with it as well. The Audioholics guys said it would have more power at 8 ohms but I didn’t notice a volume jump or anything either. I figured I would experiment with all this stuff for a bit. I just got this stuff within the last few months and am still messing around with things.
I'm really surprised at how much of a difference there was between the Missions and everything else. I guess you get what you pay for, in that case at least. My second choice is the KLH 5. I bet those babies would sing with a tube amp! I grew up with my dad's Dynaco MKIIIs and KLH model sixes. The bass on those guys was massive.
Love hearing you guys talk about the speakers you have at home. Would you do a series diving into the components you run with them? Would love to better understand the systems you out together for your space & listening tastes.
You need to buy depending on your room size, can easily be too small or two big. We all love to go the bigger the more watts the better! But that truly is not the case! I have wharfedale 220’s in a small room that are fantastic
These Klipsch Heresy speakers belong in rooms much larger than the other speakers. Heresy's are literally "stage monitors" guised as house speakers, a totally different class of speakers than 2-way stand mounts.
1 Mission. 2 KLH. 3 Wharfedale. And I bought the Lintons (they sound better at home than on RU-vid, but I’m still amazed how different their voicing was!)
Klipsch Heresy IV plus Rel T9X sun is sublime. I’m interested in the differences you hear and why you like the Heresy’s on the Wharfedale stands??? I find myself often putting my head down low and thinking my Heresy’s sound even better, so I’ve contemplated lifting them up too. But I know many say that’s a no go. Thanks for any feedback you can offer!
I am ordering the Wharfedale Linton stands. Could you please share how you secure the speakers to the stands? I need stability due to animals/kids in the house. Thanks!
The Lintons seem to be a bit of let down to be honest. I could not hear one nice thing compared to the rest of the speakers. The Mission 770 have a very different sound, none of the song mixes sound right on them, they are very clear and resolving though, I am not sure what to think of them. My favorites were the PSBs and KLH, with a slight overall preference towards the PSBs. The Heresy seem to get lost between the rest of them. To each his own, I guess. Thanks for putting together such an awesome video. I really enjoyed the listening tests, and the overall fun factor of the video :)
@@LennyFlorentine BTW, I was really intrigued by the second demo song. I looked it up. Fire and Sword by Under Earth, so awesome. I found a new cool band!!!
I recommend folks to hear these songs on their best headphones as they are recorded and then see which speakers are the closest match. I stand by my original choices now: KLH and PSB. Earlier it was based on the first listen, but now after listening to the originals, I am amazed how close both these speakers sound to the original.
One of your funniest videos, you should do a commercial for a butcher shops chain or whatever with those green googles. Oh boy you almost gave me a stroke LOL!!!
I'm not in the sales biz. I've heard big Klipsches, Advent Maestro, Infinity, JBL L100's, HPM100, blah blah blah... on my SX-1980 and Bryston, Harman Kardon Citations, Sansui AU-919, M65 Yamaha, and what is beyond all of them are the big JBL L300 and L200's and big Altecs like my Flamencos. Believe it or not, one of the best is Cerwin Vega's audiophile 12TR tower speakers. Find some and try them out. Anything hooked up to L300's sounds the best.
JBL-100, found a rough looking pair at thrift store, $50.00. I refurbished the cabinets,added heavier gauge wirring, and new 5 way speaker connections. The 200 watt Adcom Amp. Yes, throughly pissed off the wife. Love the sound!
the Mission 770 at 27:00 you only played the bass lead part so I couldn't get a sense of the guitar rhythms. At first I thought you were looping the song and then I thought the 770 got rid of treble and mids all for bass for twice the price of the other speakers. Then I heard them again at 28:58 and I was like 'Oh there it is. These are way better than the rest'
Though not so vintage in looks, shouldn't the new Andrew Jones Mofi concentric large bookshelf be included at the $3700 range? Great reviews and info for these fantastic examples of true hifi audio! Thanks
Playing through my system, the KLH really stood out, the Mission also but it was a bit muddy especially in the rock. But I was surprised at the lack of bass in the Heresy...😮
Speakers with offset driver placement usually win in imaging and I noticed the PSBs have offset tweeters! Warfedale wins great value because it’s made in China , having said that I will admit that I own a pair of Diamond 225 bookshelves That sound amazing ! Warfedale are great sounding speakers ! Lastly I’m partial to horns for my top third pair I vote klipsch! I own a pair Heresy ll and love them! I will be shopping for a pair of La scala next year so I will have to fly up to Baltimore and visit your speaker show room! Great and fun review thanks!👍🏻
Maybe the offset speaker is a Canadian thing? My Mirage SM 2.5 3-way speakers from a long time ago put the midrange and tweeter towards the insides as well.
Any standard 2-way can be set sideways to attain a "nested" tweeter configuration. Technically, non offset speakers can be tilted inward, to get the same "offset" tweeter position as any offset speakers, which may also help with side baffle reflections too.
I’m on the fence between the KLH & the Missions. So I guess the KLH for me because they were So So Close but the price difference was the deciding factor ❤
Love this content but not sure how the video audio translates to real life. But judging by the video the Heresy did not sound great but the Mission sounded great. I heard vintage Mission 770s that sounded horrible (could have been bad or modified) and wonder how they would sound side by side with the modern 770. Maybe make a whole series of vintage vs their modern counterparts?
Great and fun review. Thanks guys! I got the Lintons just cause i couldnt afford anything higher. They sound good. But I really want the Mission 770. Man those look awesome. PSB would be great to have too.
@@LennyFlorentine Man, I'm from Romania, EU. If I had the money, I would buy them, they're available here, too. And cheaper: $2200. But I'd love to see them reviewed, just saying.
When you were talking about amplifier power output you mentioned too much power above a speakers rated power doing damage... you're more likely to damage speakers with an underpowered amp than with an overpowered amp due to signal clipping.... because clipping is basically a DC voltage. That's a good way to fry your tweeters and crossover.
Remember when Best Buy had a dedicated speaker/audio room...??? I do... How about Circuit City...??? Again I do... What I really would like to have, a set of "vintage" Cerwin Vega...grew up(70's) with them, love them... What I "settled" for, the KLH Model 5... After listening to the sound clips through my computer speakers(Polk Audio), it appears(sounds) like I made the right choice...
Klispch has Klipsch Heritage ProMedia computer speakers. The subwoofer looks exactly like the Heresy. Those things are very LOUD for personal computers, LOL.
Hard to tell through boobtube but Missions to my ears performed best with your amp set up and playback on this format, the Heresys sounded completely awful not sure if thats just how they recorded or if it was amp. Ive heard they are picky for Class A or a higher power tube amp. Ive got a nice 45watt per Channell Jolinda that im thinking of giving them a try on.
Here, over YT I'll say the best sounding was the KLH Model 5. The Mission 770 sound chesty, congested? The worst period is Klipsch. PSB best female vocals. 2nd best female vocals KLH.
Great vid!😁. I love the Lintons, closer to what I could afford over the pond in Yorkshire 🇬🇧. But sound wise the Missions just seem in a different league even on a video, but they cost way out of my and many others budget🙃. The Lintons and Stands would be a great choice, 👍
@@LennyFlorentine but not in the recording, I need to adjust quite a few db between them, especially the mission 770, to properly adjust the volume, one needs to do that in the video editing stage to match the volume between the speakers in the recording.
I generally really like including sound reviews. What kind of mic was used? I ask because if it’s a directional mic it only captures what is in its direct path. It doesn’t really capture sound in room. So then any front ported ones will sound better than rear ported. I think there might be user error here as no other klipsch heresy Iv sounds like that on RU-vid or in real life.
I have the Klipsch Heresy IV speakers. Interestingly, in all three demos in this video, it sounded the worst to my ears. Although, I know in person they can sound awesome. Going by the video I'd rank them as follows: #1 Mission, #2 PSB and #3 KLH/Wharfedale (Tie). The Wharfedale is better value and has a warm and easy tonal balance. Although it's not as accurate or revealing as the KLH. #5 Klipsch sounded like an AM radio in comparison to the others. Weird 🤔
Yeah the Heresy's sounded like a transistor radio in these demo's. By FAR the worst and hard to believe they actually would sound that bad in person! I've heard others in person and they sounded really nice. Was everything created equal in these demo's???......hmmmmmm. The KLH sounded best to me. The Missions were way to forward sounding.
People don't base your opinion soley on the soundclips in this video. It was not a proper setup. You just can't put a mic so close in front of it in such a small enviroment and then think you can make a good judgement. The mission has for example has a front bass port, while the Wharfedale Linto have them at the back.
The Heresy, unlike the others in the pack, are extremely directional, but once you toe them in, the sound stage is as huge as it can be and extremely accurate. The woofer is extremely fast so the base seems to be lacking without dial them in. Tube amp Or with a tube pre make them sing
in my experience over the years, Klipsch speakers like big music recorded in a big live space, played-back in a big listening room via slightly "warm" electronics.
Congratulations for what you have done,really. I could never imagine that a speaker comparison would be possible from utube due to sound quality. But given that is analogue with each one,yes, it can be done and the auditioner wil have a very good idea of what is going to look for or what not to. So as far as i "felt" , klh was top with difference, full sound and textures, pasif also very worthy, mission good but didn t move me, linton kind of neutral, Heresy (she s got the looks), that impress you with it s big woofer... where is the bass ?? Again my opinion and from what i d hear from a laptop, thank you ...
The price of reconditioned audio equipment is beyond crazy. Its the same as old videogames. Prices are nutts. I understand that you back up the equipment with a warranty. Im a tech so i understand it takes time and money to refurb the stuff. But because people want the older electronics they are charged a premium. The discrete component amps are the ones you want but it blows my mind when i see prices. And people need to understand peak power. Peak to peak power and RMS power.
I’ve had two Amps that I remember loving the looks of. Onkyo M-5000R and a Tonewinner 5180. Gorgeous both yes. Just amazing looking. The Onkyo M-5000R is just ridiculous it actually sounded even better than it looked. Bar none best amp I’ve heard VU meters a la old M-504/506 Tonewinner was JUNK and falling apart internally kept losing channels and NO WARRANTY SUPPORT but Fantastic looking amp TOO BAD. It did have a single “UV” meter not a VU… $2500 cash is a lot but it does soo much while looking like Playmate of the year. I get it straight Hi-Fi pron on a budget. Looking to see availability now thanks!
