A very exciting dialogue. I enjoyed Vernon's mention of Dante and Beatrice.And would just note that people deeply in love very often know what the other is doing or thinking. This might apply to advanced spiritual leaders as well who live in a state of love and have premonitions about what is to come with those they are most connected with. Those that live in the field of love as in the morphic resonant field.The Flip is a great title. A summersault in dreams might represent phenomena as diverse as a change in attitude to a complete re-birth. The metaphor extended from the actual birth of a human being who flips before the emergence from the womb.Thank you for posting this video! Definitely an exciting time to be alive.
Thanks to both of you for putting Dr. Kripal on my radar. Since he lives fairly close to me, I hope to hear him speak sometime. In any case the subject matter has been of interest to me for a long time now....and it makes me happy to see good books of this type aiming at a general audience.
Very enjoyable dialogue. When you do a spotlight like this video I usually buy book/watch documentary/ follow author, if only to properly understand what it is you’re talking about. Good show.
This gets very interesting after about ten minutes; especially 19.10ff about essentially different types of panpsychism, one of which can in effect be a way of saving the standard materialist world-picture (in a way that reminds me of multiverse theories) - which is an important point. I found this to be drawn out very suggestively by both speakers.
Danke für das tolle Interview (!) My Compliment for the Diskussion. It would really be very interesting and enlightening if they had a chat with Sir Roger Penrose. But Hr. Sheldrake: Alien Abduction is NOT Bizarr... - In his appearance yes, but for us human beings. Far more important is to point out that we need to investigate everything, no matter how crazy it may sound or not
One hopeful sign for what we might call 'material pan-psychism': it opens up the stiflingly reductive materialism of traditional science. That's a useful first step. It has been said that science works from the outside inwards, while the mystics and the spiritually-inclined work from the inside outwards. We know that approaching from both ends went very well with the Euro-tunnel! But of course, the engineers there recognised the problems, and worked together to minimise or avoid them. This rapprochment, on the other hand, is not so easy. But - I remain optimistic. There is an increasing intellectual quality of enquiry from the spiritually inclined. And an increasing openness from science.
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As far as I can say, LSA is really more efficient for telepathic experiences than MDMA. It's natural and more suitable for introspection/healing than recreational usage btw...
Idealism seems more parsimonious than panpsychism. The latter invites us to believe that all material objects have consciousness, even if that consciousness is not something we humans recognise as such. So a rock will have rock consciousness and a planet will have planet consciousness, and so on. That may be true, but in the end it infers something like primary consciousness, or Idealism. I recall one NDE that is emblematic of others with a similar story. The person leaving their body and the world said it held no interest for her, in fact it resembled a stage set. Useful for its purpose but paste and plaster, a kind of shadow existence and barely worth a backward glance (I'm paraphrasing) compared to the existence ahead of her. If that account had any philosophical resonance, it might be that matter does promote consciousness of a kind, but it's a kind of tethered mind. I wouldn't go as far as the more austere protestant positions, that hold the world of flesh and matter is nothing but corruption and misery. It may be more like a fine Icon, beautiful in its own right but symbolic and abstract, and pointing to a greater reality.
Rupert, Vernon Thanks for a very informative discussion! Any book that would reference UFOs would usually be off-putting for me. However, how you both framed it in an reasonable context makes it more acceptable). So will venture out and read Kripal’s book. Rupert can you share your thoughts and opinions about Whitehead’a perspective on consciousness (what he labels as an ‘impure pretension’). If I’m not mistaken, he thought Consciousness was not important to experience (“According to the philosophy of organism these three components, consciousness thought, sense-perception, are unessential elements in experience, either physical or mental”. From Process and Reality. P. 36) I would also be interested to know if either of you feel that Julian Jaynes’ theory of the origin consciousness (through culture and language) has any merit. Jaynes’ work seems to not enter into current discussions.
Why is Rupert in conversation with Russell Brand? Does he intend to bring common sense to Russell's intellectual bafoonary? What?...oh...um...wait...Mark Vernon? Sounds the same. Man loves his isms and the sterile uni environment. Rupert, you...you...must have a reason.
I just finished reading The Flip and I must say I was quite disappointed. It spends a lot of time on quantum mechanics and has this bizarre, obligatory, left-wing rant toward the end about Charlottesville that has nothing to do with anything other than the author trying to get his woke credentials. I was quite excited to read it based on the recommendation of Dr. Sheldrake, and really wanted it to be revelatory. I was personally disappointed.
@@Randomuser2329 People die every year during flu season. Your reality is so manipulative with nonsense you should be ashamed of yourself. You do realize that every single other year in our history that the Corona viruses get thrown in with the seasonal flu numbers. Lmfao! You need to turn off your TV, government is not your friend, you are living in a contrived reality.
@@Randomuser2329 no... you are living a fantasy. I live in one of the supposedly most infected areas in the northeast us. I have been to every hospital in my area... they are empty. I don't know a single person that has been infected in the last 6 months let alone died. I will try to explain to you one more time the reality you are living in. You seem hell bent on living in a fantasy created reality that the tv is displayed to you. What you actually witnessed was the seasonal flu, plus a deliberately fraudulent test (which is why you are getting 99% asymptomatic fantacy cases), plus 100 billion dollars worth of propaganda and social engineering. That IS the reality you are existing in. Also... I think the way you worship "professionals" is a big reason why your realit is so distorted. I don't care how many years someone has spent taking tests for their master. It will never trump my own observations of reality.
I am always amused with Rupert Sheldrakes religious stance. He keeps pretending (to himself) that his understanding of religion has anything to do with the general understanding of religion. It has not :-) (I would think).
Vernon we are here to listen to Rupert. Not you. Except as a facilitator. Wouldn't you agree that's why Rupert is here? And why he allows you to be here. But your share of voice and lack of insight compared to Rupert means you should be relatively inconspicuous during this show. Then you prove yourself to be of value.
