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shotinthedark90 incredible quote

@David Chorak Thank you for your thoughts.

I've been saying for a few years now, the destruction of the is on a 5yr delay, smh..God bless everyone! Satan fights hardest, when God has big plans at work!

Thank you for this.

I think the quote is "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro"

yea fools is appropriate but these arent dumb people, but they have been foolish.

That is awesome! I never thought of that scene like that.

This blew my mind, thanks.

Wow, I wish I could contribute more than a thanks, but thanks.

Great response

Workin on it

The bow tie and the beard are decorations 🙂 I am not talking about Jonathan’s beard here but the beard in general is a strange one as it tends to be a focus of people that want to appear wise. It seems quite obvious in new age gurus etc. where the length is taken to, at times, grotesque extremes. There is a interesting proverb: ‘If the scissors are not used daily on the beard, it will not be long before the beard is, by its luxuriant growth, pretending to be the head’.

the longer, professionally trimmed beard really suits Jonathan, gives him that air of biblical gravitas

@@dionysis_ true to your namesake, uprooting the traditional archetype and accusing it of fraudulence :D

Chris C Hopefully a balancing and not a destructive force. Pruning instead of uprooting 😉

@yabon banania The bowtie and beard are gargoyles. He keeps them on the outside of his body to maintain the order within.

And now he also got baptised and became Christian

I mean... Want a cookie?

mondopinion Great story 👏

That is a great strategy! I usually walk away (when I can) from this kind of conversations, but I think your strategy is better

This becomes ever more relevant as our so called wisdom goes further away from divinely given wisdom. How Grace works is the complete opposite of our human values of "nothing comes for free" a d DIY

I have to admit that myself being a diligent, pragmatic and working man, this was the hardest truth to grasp. Legalism was always looming, until I stopped trying.

Thank you, Lisa. Much appreciated.

Somewhat misleading, as Gervais is given only an offhand mention.

@@jarlnicholl1478 Didn't I say this is not for everyone?

@@jarlnicholl1478 Sorry Jarl. I'm short on sleep 😅😩 But yeah, the notes are really for my personal reference.

@HAYAO LEONE I think so.

Lmao

Elvis Presley: goes to the toilet Everyone: he dead

One of the most profound revelations I have had was walking out of Christmas morning Mass @ St. Louis Cathedral the year before you posted this. I'll never forget it.

Definitely write it!

Biblical proof for Mary being a prostitute does NOT exist.. read ur Bible don’t listen to mystery Babylon aka Catholic Church and their priests known as who? fathers -who Christ told us not to call any man

Highly agree

I second that

Compliments from 'legalize_gayweed' symbolism happens

picture checks out.

They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not EL; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation. DEVARIYM (DEUTERONOMY) 32:16 את CEPHER It’s the hypocrite who finally sees... don’t do what I just did.

I just don't see the humour in it. I see the baseless wicked nature of man. Dark humour isn't my picture of God

Also, he chose the smallest possible place on the map to be the center of focus lol

@@drummerboy737 God works on an infinite timeline. Whereas, we don't. Our perspective is vastly limited in scope.

@@drummerboy737 The Psalms says God sits in the heavens and laughs, mocking evil kings to plot against God.

I agree. This clarified so much of Jonathan's previous works for me.

They're like classroom doodles in the margins of homework.

And in the third day "HE" resurrected.

yeah pageau mentioned that there is a connection between carnival and death but he never really followed up on it and that got me worrying about the implications. it made me think that the 'remedy' for our current state of affairs would have to be something as serious as war or plague and yes that idea really is terrifying. can you say more about this book you've mentioned?

@@sampearson8651 the author just talks about the "traditional" world versus the modern and how things were done in ancient times and how that was the proper mode of being for man. There's a lot A LOT of talk about symbolism in there as well. The premise is that we're in the Kali Yuga, which is the hindu spiritual dark age and the final age before a particular civilization collapses. The full title is Revolt Against the Modern World: Politics, Religion and Social Order in the Age of the Kali Yuga. It was written by an Italian man in the 40s

@@Varlwyll thank you

Evola

Like….everyone in our society glorifies King David and I’ve always found him to be quite revolting. However now, after your depiction of him as the fool….I quite like him. I don’t think it’s that I disliked King David so much but rather, I sensed that he was being misrepresented. As a necessary fool…..I really appreciate his character. Thank You so much for the clarification

Jillian Perkins - I see what you mean.... worshipping "randomness" and through that worshipping "anything goes" but then trying to turn it into order by fighting anybody who does not accept this "order of aimless randomness".The big dilemma is 1/if anything goes as all pops up randomly then saying that this is BS is just as valid as any other odd thing that emerges 2/if this new perspective should take everything, you are implementing some kind of order - for what reason? After all everything is equal in its popping up nature..... ;o)

You keep insisting that this is some failure of reason, but this is exactly what one should expect when a culture idolizes the mind. This isn't splitting hairs. Because as I read you, you want to blame this on chaos, when in fact this is exactly what idolatry of order looks like.

I see where you're coming from --- that all we are is a bunch of atoms that happened to bump in the right manner is "random" compared to the order of Christian cosmology but I think a more accurate criticism of the "science guys", is that they afford science and reason metaphysical, revelatory power such that "science" is no longer scientific, and "reason" no longer rational. It's not random, but a specific worldview --- what the science guys unanimously seem blind to is that their worldview is no more scientific (in the strict, literal sense of the word) than the religious worldviews they crap on. atheism itself is leap of faith --- he who orders his life (as much as is possible) through science is an agnostic that in our evolutionary past we were scurrying around the underbrush like rats is merely the best origin narrative science offers --- yet science guys cling to it with religious zealotry, fiercely opposing breaches of orthodoxy like the concept that, because every complex thing we know the origin of was designed, perhaps the complex things we don't know the origin of were also designed (a perfectly legitimate hypothesis in the spirit of naive science) the big bang is theorized by stretching mathematical equations back to their theoretical limit, not by any sort of empirical evidence. Yet to the science guy, the big bang _must_ be the start of the cosmos, and exceedingly important questions like, "okay but what about before that?" are brushed off --- of course there was nothing before that. How does nothing become something? You know, science (one among a host of equally lame "scientific" answers). Find a science guy who believes that these are merely the best narratives scientism can weave currently, and are not scientific fact --- they are few and far between. Find a science guy who can admit that science does nothing to suggest the cosmos is purely material. There are a host of non-scientific, faith-based presuppositions that go into the science guy worldview - foremost among them, a stubborn blindness to the fact that any of these presuppositions are faith-based. And while lip service is paid to the random, meaninglessness of the cosmos, that is only superficial, reactionary --- beneath that is an ordered worldview. After all, no one can live in a random, meaningless universe.

Phil M I think you can tell a true Holy Fool when they become a fool for God. They no longer are working on their own behalf. Seems as if God made the fool a king. Im a clown in New Orleans who recently found Jesus. My world turned upside down. I've been thinking how the Pharisees and religious leaders crucified Jesus but the "joke" was on them because it fulfilled His destiny and became the ultimate sacrifice for all of mankind. Those who realized what they had done could have repented and experienced the revelation that all things work for the glory of God. side note * This sermon is so important because coming to the truth of God is like having your whole world turned upside down and backwards. Everything in this world is opposite of the truth. People allow themselves to sin because they want to live as indulgently as they please before they die - not realizing that death only exists BECAUSE of sin. Therefore they do the very opposite thing they wish to accomplish - which is to really live.. and the only way to live forever is to believe Jesus died and came back to life, defeating death and erasing the sins of the faithful. Wow!!! I'm amazed by it constantly!

@@ghostwriter5295 "Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you thinks that he is wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is folly with God. For it is written, “He catches the wise in their craftiness,”" 1 Corinthians 3:18-19

Good point, and another reason we must watch the fools because they may have a hidden agenda, instead of being an agent of chaos and inversion they may be selective in what they criticise and expose to further a political goal rather than serving as a mirror on society.

Succinct. I memorized your definition.

Noah Church interesting post. God has such an amazing sense of humor, and deep irony too all through the bible. The very nation He chose to deliver it reject its true purpose and leading the attack against it/Him! What's more is this was even prophesied in it!! God's plan is so all encompassing that it even includes and challenge to the plan, to prove and fulfill it. Super awesome.

It's a front so you let your guard down - a disguise for their wickedness and evil acts.

@@ttsnews8035 i know you made this comment a year ago..but your response has me perplexed.. intrigued ...please explain how this works

shotinthedark90 beautifully put. He tricks the trickster yes he does!!!!!

Holy fool? ... I cannot attatch the moniker to God in the flesh

@@drummerboy737 Fool is a relative term. If the wisdom of the world is folly to God, the wisdom of God is folly to the world.

shotinthedark90 totally agree. The wisdom of God is seen as foolishness to those who don't have eyes to see. The moniker "holy fool"is being used to explain this.

And so what and who cares. Back to reality, to plans, dreams and hobbies and trying to working out relationships. All this magical thinking and powers are a laughing stock.

VoL. Rebels in Christ turn away from this world. We rebel against Satan by following the Savior.

Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ. (Sorry, that was the right answer.)

Jonathan Pageau hahaha. it’s a speaker girding up their throat loins. That’s anatomically correct. I’m positive. Throat loins are real. Maybe they’re the only thing that’s real

Also, the beard game is getting strong. I’m starting to be able to tell you’re Orthodox from a distance

@@JonathanPageau My God, you might be getting A's on your report card, but you're getting an F on following direction. We want _alternatives_ to the truth; that means bold faced lies. He's (you're) wearing a bowtie for two reasons: One, he's supposed to be wearing a tie (thus it is an act of rebellion (Caesar's wrath will come swiftly!) against the established order & social norms (the archetype of the jester), and, two, it's current year, the present; He is a gift, an offering, the Lamb of God as substitute and sacrifice for the remission of sins. Basically, _basically,_ the meaning of the bowtie is that he is a gifted orator. _There is a bow on his_ (voice [which cries out from the wilderness]) _box._

The bow tie symbolises the pagan god Rufus who had wings that came from the neck, they were useless wings but it looked cool and got Rufus heaps of snatch

*E A T T* *B U T T*

The Fool exists to unravel the complete absurdism of power as a function. Comedy and laughter are disarming. It allows ideas to be entertained that would be fought with everything otherwise by those listeners still supportive of the status quo if done outside the function of the Fool. This particular situation is why it was Republicans in the 1980's who were the one's without a sense of humor and in a moral panic. They were the status quo. If the internet existed then it would have been the "right" who couldn't meme. And it's why the "left" can't meme because they have no sense of humor. Their ideology is the status quo and criticism of it is "unacceptable" to them because the Fools that are tearing their beliefs apart are correct and they know what that means; their power is in jeopardy.

​@@peaknonsense2041Brilliantly explained. Thank you.

I think they are different in quantity but not quality --- out of the ashes of the fallen empire, emerges new order

Chris C Okay seems logical, but it’s just not quite as optimistic as the first option.

Interesting.

Standing Bear same

David Chorak, I disagree. It is spiritually and mentally filling.

Sarcasm is one of the lowest form of humour

@jay hi. if every kid engages in it, then how you can judge who among them is 'smart'? Thank you.

Precisely. I am technically Gen Z and I noticed this about MYSELF. There’s a word for it: black humor. We delight in our dying world, everything is a joke, nothing is wholly good or sacred. I’ve only just recently, in the past year, come to realize how much this pattern of speaking and joking was harming me. It isn’t fun to be around, and is also spiritually bankrupt on so many levels.

And I should note by dying world, I mean the perceived dying world. Most Gen Z take this to mean climate change, racism, discrimination etc but I don’t follow that viewpoint anymore

Satan is no tragedy because he is powerless. God redeems. Praise be to God.

The tragedy side takes up the same amount of space as the comedy side. To _not_ recognize that, i.e. give the devil his due, is dangerous, imo. What's illogical to me is moving through clown world trying to be all positive all the time. I understand why ppl do that, but it isn't truthful. It's also true that Light wins, so if ppl want to be positive about that that's great. But don't remove the margins of the field (I love that analogy) while singing la-dee-da everything will be fine. Monsanto literally proved that analogy, and we let them. And many ppl just can't look at truth and handle it. I know way more ppl like that than like us truthers. I understand that too, ppl have responsibilities, but at this point that leaves you working for the other side (imho). The Devil counts on that. A war on God's plants (return of slavery), a war on a feeling, on and on - they must be shocked at their own success! Imagine if every person could just look at one (terrible but pinnacle) event for what it was and is - _just one_ difficult thing the opposite of positive, how we would please God then - at least getting the Devil back to his own side of the coin. We still humiliatingly disrobe at the airport, for fear of looking at the truth. (wow JP really nailed this one. Bravo.)

I'm going to wait and see what happens with him. No judgments.

@@tobiahtoviyahgoodnessof349 i think he was talking about kanye bro.

@@johnmang2659 Thank You for the correction sibling. Love and kindest of regards from afar

Behold for Thy Soul can neither be bought Nor sold at any price or cost.

He's claimed Christianity since he came out, so I'm not sure about his "recent conversion"

I'm not sure about this specific map, but if you're searching for something similar, mappa mundi is the name for Medieval world maps like this. The Hereford mappa mundi is probably the most famous one and also has the East on top with at its extreme Eden, like the map Jonathan uses here.

@@mvdbergrede Thank you so much! I will be looking into that!

The map is called The Psalter World Map. I was able to find it on fineartamerica.com.

Yes I have a certain family members that say really mean things in a jokingly way and nobody says boo. I stay away from them. But it works great for covert bullying.

The menorah in the holy place used old priestly garments as wicks for light in the sanctuary showing the symbolic link between the priestly garments and clothed in glory as the angels are described as wearing and Paul speaks of believers clothed in glory in the resurrection. The shroud of Turin seems to be a material token of this promise. See the post about the Apostolic discourse on the Shroud on the blog linked atop my channel for new analysis.