Kids being bored on a council estate is nothing new ... They have choices ..educational courses ...music ....training and jobs ... If theres not much there , travel and find it ....its paradise in this country ...look around the world ...these kids need a kick up the arris ...
I have hesitated posting a comment because I recognise I am from a different generation. I was brought up living on a council estate in Manchester in the 60’s. My parents worked for little money. My school was in Moss side. We were always with family sisters, grandparents, cousins not really mixing outside of this strong family. All my cousins and myself managed to pass the 11 plus. I wasn’t aware of drugs at that time. The council houses were an enormous help for poor families who had rented rooms in larger houses previously mainly owned by the Salford Jewish community who owned a lot of property. It breaks my heart to see what has happened in Manchester and Liverpool where there seems to have been a breakdown of families/extended families. Yes the youth of today may have nothing but they have so much more than the youth of the post war era. There was no benefits to talk of the either. So very sad.
@@bubz3t136 I am sure you have done very well without the 11 plus. Some families had children that passed the 11 plus but couldn’t afford the uniform. It’s a credit to the teachers of my day that I passed because my parents had left school at 14 and couldn’t help with my homework. Thank you to teachers then and now who go the extra mile to help those with no help at home.
i was a 70s 80s child not bragging we were so poor in south east london my dad hunted rabbits and deer for dinner a so called poacher i grew never in a gang never stabbed had a few fists fight etc these youths not all are under the influence of ganstarism bullshit they have more oppertunities and than i did back in the day but ha ho..
They need to go college go uni or get jobs .simple as that . My son was brought up on a council estate he didn't act like these lot .All down to parenting or lack of in these cases .
@@jamesbusby8872 well it is, if you've been brought up wrong and have had no guidance you end up in that life. There's a reason there's hardly any stabbings and smack endemics in little middle class villages over the country,end of
I moved on to the Ford 1970 a new house indoor toilets x2 and a bath. Loved the place. Great community spirit and some of the most beautiful people you would want to meet. I visit the Estate every Friday supported people with disabilities. I am always made welcome and feel safe as houses.
@@TheEpicLegendone car with smashed windows is brought to make it called a slim 😂honestly these are nothing compared to Eastern Europe or South America
@@JohnRambo-ky7okYh but they also ain’t kids running around in other country’s having gang war on the streets with guns for fun just cause the area doesn’t look rough go in and try saying something to them lad 🤣
@@callousjail447games4 Course there is pal. Look at Mexico. Chopping peoples swedes off and hanging them across the streets. Brazil . Africa , it’s happening all over the place. Even Ukraine where most of the “soldiers” are 16 or so and given guns to fight the Russians. I’m not saying that’s not a rough estate but I’m saying gun warfare happens all over the world. St Louis and West Baltimore plenty of violence. Most of these countries have way more gun crime than an estate in Birkenhead I’d say.
The lad in the grey...absolute bellend!....”ford estate lad...d’ yer know warra mean lad!...live in the slums here lad...here’s the finger for yer lad....just imagine him being your son!...or in the future imagine if that was your dad...😱
Good people are good people no matter their surroundings obviously its easier to be pushed a certain way but respect for ya self and other is built into ya own self awareness
I was down there when they were filming awaydays. Couple of cockney fellas with the film crew couldn't believe how rough the blood tub and what was left of the river streets was. 🤣 all the kids off solway an that trying to sell them weed an bifters 🤣🤣
The youth of Birkenhead and all over the country are in need of guidance and positive hobbies Football,Boxing , swimming , cricket things like that . The devil finds work for idle hands
Love watching the podcast billy 👍 I get what your saying but my 2 lads grew up in norrisgreen I know you familiar with the area and the pair of them are a credit to me got them into kick boxing at an early age and that taught them how to look after themselves and also discipline and manners !! Some of these kids would be like that even if they had a different background manners cost nothing and most of them don’t even have that imo.
Woodchurch Ford nocturum Leasowe, large areas of the Wirral were built to house the overspill from Birkenhead which also spread out into Tranmere Rockferry new ferry, parts of Pensby or even a small area of west Kirby. bromborough and Eastham also have areas like this.
From the age of 12-18. 1978-1984 I used to box, first at the Birkenhead A.B.C. Then the West Wirral A.B.C. The reason I mention this is, due to an absolute diamond of a fella who went by the name of Herbie Harrison who was from the Ford Estate. But back in the day Herbie ran the Venture A.B.C. down Brassey Street down the North End. Tony, his son was a helluva boxer before he got badly injured, in a really horrible way. Me and Tony both boxed in a club behind the sacred bull pub in fazakerley on a Long Lane. A.B.C. show. Tony had a barnstormer of a fight with Tony Brown from Litherland A.B.C. who later fought Rocky Kelly in a British title eliminator at welterweight. Herbie Harrison. What a lovely man. He was a beacon of light. The Ford Estate should be proud of one of their own.🙏🥊❤️
Yes lad don't forget Robbie Riley and a few hard knocks from moreton the ollerheads. One of the best areas for boxers just a shame most of them lose themselves to drink or drugs
@@aimeeballard1382 I met Tony at the Liverpool Stadium regional A.B.A.’s shortly after. It broke me heart. He most definitely would have gone a long way in the amateurs and the pros. P.S. I love the way ya say it as ya see it, going by your previous comments. You ain’t backing down to anyone. Take care Aimee 🙏
Thanks again for another great video Billy. I grew up on The Ford Estate in the 70s & 80s as the youngest of 8 children ( 10 of us in a 4 bedroom house but we though it was posh cos we had a downstairs toilet 😂) We lived in 48 Fairleaf Way opposite the one oclock gun pub where we had a birds eye view of the fights every Saturday night from our mum & dads bedroom window. The place was a real community back then & families really looked out for each other ( and each others kids ) I think the decline began when the heroin flooded onto the estate. People who we went to school with, who came from great familes got lured in by it all. There was not much to do around that time & you saw people you grew up with withering away through drugs. It was tragic to see the sporty lads from school who were brilliant footballers & always winning trophies turn into zombies before your eyes. The pretty girls who got sucked in soon lost their looks, dignity & in some cases their lives. The place was awash with addicts & it was indiscriminate, regardless of background. Some great families lost great kids to it & if I were to look back at an old school photo I’m pretty sure there’d be quite a lot of people from those times who are sadly no longer with us. We were fortunate as a family that we never got involved in any of it & I believe that this was a combination of having very strict Irish parents ( our dad would have killed us! ) & mates who lived in other places. There but for the grace of god go any of us though, it so easily could have been us too! I have some great memories of the place but some sad ones also. They did an article in the 80s about it called chasing the dragon ( If my memory serves me ) theres a picture of a load of teenage lads sitting on the grass right in front of our house. I knew them all but I reckon half of them are gone now 😢
Ex Bizzy wrote a book called chasing the dragon about being drug squad when heroin was ripping through all these areas you’ve been visiting in Birkenhead Bill. Excellent read, thoroughly recommend
I lived on The Ford estate when it first opened. I worked at the Corsair pub and at the One O'Clock Gun. I left for Australia in 1974. Sad to see what's happened to The Ford.
You got out just in time mate... It was a smack filled hole in the 80s and coke fiends in 90s... Now it's just pointless gutter scumbags that are horrible humans for no real reason. The third generation of hopelessness
Bill you need to come to Caldy Village, the Ruffians here are outrageous !! I actually saw a young Lad pick up some litter outside Hickory,s the other Day!! What's the World coming to Lar?...................................... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The Febb, Webb, and Nebb were skinhead gangs "MODS" years ago, with conflict against each other. There was a gang called the Vickers just after that time, and I saw them attack Purple Aki with walking sticks in Birkenhead town centre
Imagine a few families having picnics or BBQs on those lovely grassy areas. And big groups of kids getting together and having a game of football. Or a local band playing from the back of a lorry. Someone should organise such things and create more of a community feel.
Carlsberg dont do pipe dreams mate, that ain't ever happening. We had f k all growing up but good advice. Get a job or get out of this house, it worked well for me and my siblings.
That place actually looks very decent I guess it’s the people that ruin it for everyone else this all starts with the parents who don’t give a shit that’s passed down to the kids then they have kids and it goes on and on
I was brought up on the ford me, on 5 ashwood court in 80s early 90s when they were doing the estate up and changed its name from ashwood to beachwood. The cages their by the shop was when I lost my virginity 😂 mad estate bk then. Hasn’t changed much when I went bk in 2014, part from the two pubs that were their were knocked down. Brings back memories seeing this! As a 5yr old I drone a dumper truck through gardens on the ford at the end of the 80s poss 1990! The memories 😂
I grew up on the Ford in 3rd Avenue and used travel to Beirut (6th to 8th Avenue) quite often. that was in the early 80s when unemployment was very high, heroin was rife and lots of cars being burnt out, houses being raided etc. I fondly look back at the 6th Ave Kwik Save, it started off as a brick building but due to all the ram raids and sledgie attack it became metal almost. I loved the Ford though, especially the Youthie.
It really was a lot worse in the 80s bill. You might not believe it from what you've seen but when the heights were up and the jiggers open 7th/8th av were truly no go area's. One thing that we had back then was a bit a community, I think that's gone now. But seriously it's been cleaned up a lot. 😂
@@michaelcattrell2407 no guns in them days tho and you generally knew who the hard knocks where and as long as you kept yourself to yourself you wouldn't get any trouble aside from your car stereo or video TV being nicked. Now you get stabbed or shot as an innocent
I'll agree there sadly there are innocent people being caught up in the shite that's happening, as high profile cases indicate. But to say it's normal is not true. - I feel perfectly save walking round Liverpool of a night. 43 years on Merseyside, 14 of them In Liverpool and in some of the toughest areas.... Never had a problem.... I'd also say that inoccent people have always been targeted for crimes. Desperate addicts after an easy touch. It's definitely nothing new. It's just more in your face due to everyone having 24/7 access to instant news.
We lived in 7th avenue for 53 years billy were still on the estate now my mum and dad brought 9 of us up on the estate and I have 7 brothers and 1 sister and none of us took drugs, and I wouldn't want to live anywhere else.
Totally agree with you how are used to be in Birmingham. I live in Liverpool now unless all the community centres are closed. There’s nowhere for them to go. I grew up in the 80s 70s new used to have places you could play snooker youth club now they’ve all gone it’s gonna get worse 🙏🏽😱
NEBB...north end bad boys. was originally north end bother boys but as time went on it changed. then you have the febb and webb, ford estate and Woodchurch estate. the north was the original goes back as far as the 1960s when illchester square was up. NEBB1💪🏻
I'm from Liverpool Kenny had a cousin from there years ago remember going them cages for a game of footy maybe 1990 it was rough then but I think anywhere u go the youngsters are rough I would of said Kenny was worse
Rough as toast, point is Bill mate most estates and communities don't have any youth clubs, I fully agree with you a lot of the way our kids and futures for majority of teens isn't Rosie. We invest in major foreign criminals who are literally milking our system. Which in turn is robbery to our communities, be that in Liverpool, up here now pal is I dare say as bad if not worse . Respect Billy. It'd be great to go to Everton v Newcastle with ya! Followed you since Janes English pod read ya first book, need to make time to read your second one! Respect Billy 👊
There can't all be winners in life, there will always be and always has been people who are simply at the bottom of the pile in life, you can't save em, is it there fault? Probably not, but it ll never change its all part of the rich tapestry of life, love Woolander.❤❤❤
I remember the Ford being built. It was to house people from places like ILLCHESTER Square in Birkenhead West End, which really was rough, I'm sure it even had a pub called the Blood Tub!
Where did he get that accent from, Bill, why didn't you tell him he's appropriating are lingo. What happened to the old, I'm roasting for a smoke accent ???
It's way past the blaming phase, this is down to a deeper generational problem, the way these kids act today, is just part of who they are, they don't know any better. And it's sad, that the government or the adults don't seem to put any stock into the kid's welfare, the government only decides to step in when things go wrong, reactive policing through a reactive policy. Kids should never be excluded and left to their own devices, and this has been happening in cities for at least two generations.
You can't blame people's fucking mothers, most people's mothers tried there absolute best and anyone in the streets or prison will tell you the same, pieces of shit sat behind your safe screen.
morning billy have good day, even though your scoucer, it takes some balls doing what ya doing interesting content, I doubt I could do that especially, with my wooly accent ha I once went in a shop in croxteth and was buying foil, n there was a que gathering so I put on a scouce accent and sounded like a druken birkinheader lol
In the days of febb, each Ave, would build the tallest bonfire each year. In the months building up to Nov 5th. Some kids from different Aves would raid others stashes of wood stock. That's when the raids would start with the older kids of 15. The centre pole of each bonfire was traditionally cut down from the woods behind the old Ford towers which are both now sadly gone. One year, an old yellow council flat bed was sent to each avenue to confiscate our hoards. 1st Ave set fire to their wood on the van and got it back. Nice one Tommy Mcsnott and Goober for that saved bonny night. Good old 80's.
I lived on the Ford from 76 to 96, family are still there. I was an 8th Ave lad and remember Bonny Nights, and the weeks building up to it so well. 8th Ave and 7th Ave collaborated in their collections of bonny wood, which wasn't always wood, it was anything that would burn. P*ssy mattresses, bags of rubbish, prams, car tires, the fences and doors from the flats they were knocking down, whatever we could get our grubby little hands on. Then it would be dossed in the empty bin shed and garages in 8th and 7th Ave. And we would guard it from the other little b*stards from 6th and 5th Aves out to rob our bonny wood. And yes the council would come round and try and take it for the council bonfire. I remember them getting bricked by the kids and having to f*ck off empty handed. And yes going up Biddy (Bidston) Hill for the center pole. Kids with hand axes and nobody even stopped or questioned us. Then 20 or 30 kids, like Egyptians, would cut down and transport a huge tree through the estate. Hauling and chanting. Rolling it on logs. Branches cut off and carried by the littler kids. Then we'd get the to the Bull Ring, a circle of glass strewn gravel that was meant to be a kids play area. It was right next to One O'clock pub. So your Dad could watch you and have a pint. A hole would be dug, the center pole raised and held in place by supporting logs. We were f*cking little engineers. The Bull Ring bonny was the biggest and best on the estate for years, you can say what you like, but i know the truth. The Bull Ring was packed on Bonny Night and it was all organised by us kids. People chucking spuds wrapped in foil into the multiple mini fires that sprung all around. The Gun must have made a killing that night. And the explosions of aerosols in the bags of rubbish we'd have chucked on. Yes 8th Ave bonny night in 80's were great times.
You're right Billy. The arrogance of youth eh? That's not a slight on the kids today because I was exactly the same at that age. It usually takes hurt,loss and pain before a decision to change is made but fair play for making the effort.
Billy every city has it' bad areas Birkenhead is no exception you missed the Nocturnum estate off your list, or is this better now? Being in the Northend and growing up in the South and the North I can see how things have changed over the years, Netherton, Bootle ,Ford and Litherland to name just a few have bad areas but so do Crosby and Formby it depends on which councellor gets the most back handers haha enjoy your vids they are informative and relevant keep em up 😊
@@bored742 all of it ... All the people who fund killing off and destroying all the run down areas live there like politicians, main cocaine dealers, and Bob the builder 👍oh and Ainsdale too 😉 I must admit there are some nice old people there too and charity workers who charge the same price as the shops when people need help and support at the moment like Bernardos. But as the area goes in general Formby is a nice expensive area.
I no two families who live there and they are the most respectful families just takes a few bad kids to intimate everyone I grew up in north end in tee street loved it
I was born on the Ford in the 80s when Smack started.. I av great Friends from there who I went too school with.. it’s Dangerous because there’s no one to look up too on the estate enymore Football wise Boxing wise to Guide the youth..Sad
In the late 70s early 80s The Ford Estate was known as the Giro, everyone was on the dole. If was rife with crime, high rise flats, a no go area. The council changed the name some years ago to The Beachwood but nothing has changed, only the name. Birkenhead North was even worse back in the day, even the pub there was called The Blood tub.
Played dart's in the blood tub,was walking past a while later telling my friend it had a bad rep but I thought the people were great,with that as we got in line with the door a barstool came through the window and landed right in front of us.😂😂😂
That's all they do all day long, you hear them whizzing by sayin, I can do a wheelie, I can do a wheelie, I can do a wheelie !!! arh well, tiny minds and all that.
I was seeing some bird off that estate many moons ago, was so so rough, and Ive lived in bootle, county road, nogsy and page moss, and that ford estate is rougher than them all
@@MegaNeil1955 never heard of it, ive heard the nebb which was the Noctorum estate,,, but febb and pebb no,, the woodchurch had a logo of a spiders web and webb written above it,, the woodchurch must be the originals of the ebbs. ha ha
It’s a mad place the ford. My arl girl lives on 3rd ave and never has any issues. Road is full of families or elderly. 2 roads over my sister has had bomb disposal at the flats 😅
I’m off the Ford bill, it’s a great estate but when it comes to investing in its youth it’s non existent! It’s as if you don’t exist but when the young kids start kicking off it’s a problem!! Councils need to invest in the estates and show them young people growing up what they can be other than resulting to crime l.
Council are lining their own pockets same as in Liverpool, ffs you can’t even get basic services like your bin emptied properly in Liverpool. Councils are corrupt and Liverpools labour council has been like that for decades back to Derek Hatton and probably others before him.
Right by the North End station there was a pub nicknamed the blood tub.....................played darts in there on a Monday/Thursday night. Boss boozer got its nickname from yesteryear when the docks were active and sailors from all around the world would drink and scrap. There's a wolrd in action documentary on here from the 80s called Tee Street not working...........thats when the Northend the Ford, Nocky, Woody and Leasowe were really bad. They stopped busses going through the Ford and make them still, go around it to this day.
If any where in the country that needs support it is the WIRRAL BIRKENHEAD WOODCHURCH THE BEECHWOOD ONCE THE FORD ESTATE people still see it as the FORD ESTATE
Sick of hearing there's nothing to do, it's bollocks, theres loads to do if you want to, cadets, Duke of Edinburgh awards, sports clubs, volunteer work, paid work.. go to Irish villages or Welsh villages where there is even less to do and the kids dont act like wannabe gangsters.. parents, schools and a liberal system are to blame for these wasters.
@@TC-vo7wd The term woolly back was invented when Birkenhead was a thriving town and Liverpool was just fields and in Liverpool wool was transported by people on their backs. Do some history you muppet, scousers are the real woolly backs 😂
Why blame the government for you being a scruff, it should make you want to do better to get away from there..they will just end up popping out kids and being exactly the same
It really isnt that bad on the ford, certainly no worse than other estates. You always get the odd few families bringing the place down. We bought our first home here and i couldnt of asked for a better place to move to. All the neighbours are really pleasant and all look out for each other, rarely see any anti social behavior. Ive came across the scrambler bikes twice and one time they even pulled over for me to walk past with my dog and apologised for being in the way. Theirs a social club on the estate a bit further up which runs different events on the evening i.e bingo etc. I moved from Seacombe ferry in wallasey and let me tell you that estate is by far much worse. Couldnt wait to move away from their constantly had my car vandalised and we kept ourselves to ourselves.
@@thcdavies8479 it's a lot cleaner the houses are a lot nicer and there isn't burnt out cars in the fields . Spaghetti arms with the mask on would lose there bike here mate for sure
Billy your a good man, trying to reach out to the youth, but will they listen, probably not, until it's too late, banged up or in a grave,I blame the government, it's the same all over UK.. EVEN IF ONE LISTENS YOU'VE DONE YOUR JOB LAD..❤
Birkenhead is the worst lately but of a night Billy is there of a day. Go walking round the ford of a night if you aren't known you will be stabbed or shot quick
Something to think about is that mist areas do have stuff for kids to do in the community centres and kids clubs an that but mostly the kids that go to them are decent law abiding kids, but having worked with kids who are involved in drug and alcohol misuse and sales of them and involved in all sorts of other criminality. It is hard to get these kids to spend the evening in youth projects cus they want to smoke weed an have a bevvy which obvs is not allowed in the projects. Were i worked became successful in engaging with these kids on the streets due to possibly the staff all had difficult childhoods themselves so nearly knew how to engage with the kids and get them involved in positive activities. The mad thing is, is the project i worked for could have possibly stopped the girl being shot dead and the lads by her about 3 or 4 of them also being injured by also getting shot. Anyway tge reason we might have made a difference in that situation is that the lad Connor Chapman who shot the girl dead an injured the other's. I cant remember us engaging with him when he was about 12 but i di remember his name and it was on are database list of the local kids that wanted to engage with our project and go fishing and camping and the rest if what we offered. So there is a small possibility that we might have been able to improve his life at an early age and possibly could have played an important part of his life for him not to have made them mad choices which has banged him up for 40 odd years and destroyed a few other families as well as his own. Or he might have bin destined to be a mad baddy an we made no impact with him. The project which i would say was very successful with engaging the kids on the edge and kids involved in criminality. A few high ranked Tories like dogface McVeigh and slap head Duncan Smith came to the area and are project looking to try and gather voters. They promised us and the kids that the project would stay open and receive funding but it was lies and the project had to close due to lack of funding and some other issues. There was around 400 kids who was engaged or was to young trying to engage and the government let it close and there was around 100 or more of these kids we engaged with who needed important help or was receiving help from us but they closed it down and left the kids with not much or not any help and support which was criminal in my opinion.
