G'day, I like it. Have you seen, "World's Greatest Fighter Pilot...; Ulmari Juttilainen !" It's in my "Personal Aeroplanology..." Playlist. 94 Victories while never having had his Aircraft hit by anything fired by any Aerial Enemy... Versus 352 Kills, 14 Shot down & Crashed plus one Bailout... Mannerheim never needed to replace any Aeroplane shot out from under Juttilainen, Adolf had to replace 15 which Hartmann broke while using them...(!). Life is Relative, and Observer-orientated. So saith A Rock (EinStein) lol. Have a good one... Stay safe. ;-p Ciao !
The photo at 2:44 is of Aarne Juutilainen, A.K.A. "The horror of Morocco", due to his past in the French Foreign Legion. He was the brother of Ilmari Juutilainen, the WWII pilot with most kills (94) outside of Germany.
Not recorded wins!!!! Juutilainen kill 125 but in record is only 95. Best aftet Germany. Best of Best, no any bullet in his plane by reds pilots. Play all to time against 10 -20 planes.
The brilliant Finns took one of the worst ameican fighters, the Brewster buffalo , altered it and it became one of the highest performance airframes of the war
@@glennwiebe5128 I figure they would have reaped similar results as the bf109's the krauts gave. The bottleneck is in maintenance and replenishment though, so p51's and their fire-sensitivity woulda been a difficult fit.
@@UnclePutte Several Finnish pilots claimed P-51's shot down, but it is questionable. Some Soviet types mistaken? It was very difficult to recognize enemy plane types in the heat of air battle with high adrenaline, sweat pouring, heart bouncing and always beware of mid-air collisions, when only way to see which plane is look wings or fuselage cockade, star, or cross... I have read from literature, that US and GB did not give Merlin Mustangs to the Soviet Union. So they must have been A-36 (formally P-51A 's with underwing bomb racks) with Allison engine.
@@LouAlvis Yup. Hawks did well, Warhawks woulda' been a step up. Hurricanes actually served in Finland - tiny numbers though, and their performance is largely lost in history.
It also used a German gunsight, 109 G2 oil cooler and Klimov exhaust pipes, as well as better pilot armour. The original French cannon was known to jam in action because of a poor feed system and the 151 was better.
@@finnberglander7816 But not on the original Soviet terms. The original Soviet terms in both Winter War and Continuation War were the unconditional surrender of Finland. Stalin tried to get the exile Finnish communist Mr. Kuusinen to Helsinki and make Finland a Soviet vassal state. That didn't quite work in the end, though.
A great engineering feat the Mörkö-Morane was. To bad that shitty logistics and lack of production capacity meant that this great fighter never really was put into action in great numbers or in time...
Is your car a war fighter machine? Are you living there, which is flooding Chevy big-block V8's, such as 429's? Here we had own resources, same time as Yanks were pouring everything possible (Studebaker-trucks, Lucky Strike cigarettes, machine-guns, cotton, Campbell tin soup cans, locomotives, even popcorns, P-39 Airacobras,Wrigley chewing gums, Bourbon Whisky etc) to the communist Soviet Union.
Swedish Count Erik von Rosen donated a Thulin type D airplane to Finland in 1918, which became Finland's "first" air force plane. It was equipped with the BLUE swastika of the Count, a symbol of good luck used a lot in history. The blue swastika became the national emblem of all air force aircraft until 1945.
Im.pretty sure they kept it after 1945 but eventually changed it, yep they may have changed it right after ww2 but kept it after while the emblem was used in the Finnish Air Force logo until 2017, when it changed the swastika with wings to a golden eagle with a circle of wings,
This document skipped entirely the most successful plane types the Finns had: Fiat G.50 and Brewster Buffalo, which achieved an incredible 33:1 and 23:1 kills to death ratio, respectively.
The Name Mörkö came from the engine sound of Klimov M105P, wich is actually a derivate of the original Hispano Suiza 12Y-31. Having a lot higher compression ratio due to 2 staged supercharger and different exhaust manifold ( and maybe looser russian tolerances and missing a couple of ignitions every now and then :) ) made the engine sound a lot rougher and louder, hence Mörkö. Also they changed both the radiator and the oil cooler. The Swiss made derivate of Morane, D3801 about equalled the performance of Mörkö The alternative story for name Mörkö is the first modification series hanging radiator wich was butt-ugly. This video shows both types. For some reason I think Mörkö-Morane was referred as Bugbear-Morane, not Bogey-Morane. I cannot find a source for this tough.
Great video, the Mörkö Morane is an interesting aircraft born out of necessity. In summer 1941 when the Continuation War started (along with little known military operation in the south, Barbarossa something), the most capable fighter in the Finnish Air Force was the American Brewster Model 239, or B-239 for short. This de-navalized export variant of the F2A-1 (US Navy designation) was of course already outdated in the bigger picture at that point, but was more than a match for most of the Soviet fighter aircraft present on the Leningrad front: I-16, I-153, MiG-3 and some LaGG-3 variants. The other important aircraft at that point were Curtiss Hawk 75, Fiat G.50, and only then the Morane-Saulnier M.S.406 and 410. The Hurricanes were too few in numbers, and the older planes were more or less delegated to other duties than front line combat. During the Continuation War, Finnish Air Force then started receiving Bf 109 G variants from Germany: Initially the G-2, and later various sub-types of the G-6. These mainly replaced the aging Brewsters as the main fighter aircraft of the Finnish Air Force, but of course that was not enough. There were several programs to build or modify existing types into first rate capable fighters, and certainly one of, if not the most successful of those was the Mörkö Morane. Other programs worth mentioning: VL Humu - wood-winged aircraft based on the Brewster B-239 but powered by Soviet Shvetsov M-62 engine; cancelled due to poor performance projections. One aircraft constructed, currently in a museum. VL Myrsky - entirely Finnish-designed fighter aircraft built mainly out of wood composites, armed with four LKk-42 12.7mm machine guns and powered by Pratt & Whitney R-1830-SC3G. Total of 51 aircraft was built, including prototypes, and this aircraft was actually used in combat. Unfortunately by the time it reached the units, it was already outdated and its performance was overall similar to the Brewster B-239. Still, it was a well-liked aircraft and the Finnish Air Force did get some use out of it during and after the war; however the wood construction was vulnerable to elements and after several aircraft were lost due to structural failures caused by delamination, the last flight occurred in 1948 and after that all planes were scrapped. There is a project to rebuild one Myrsky-II as a functional but not airworthy museum piece. VL Pyörremyrsky - Didn't get finished during Continuation War, but one flying prototype was constructed and test flown with good results. Aircraft used the same engine as the Bf 109 G (DB 605A) and shared certain design philosophies with some of the Italian fighters also using the same powerplant. It would have been quite the excellent addition to the Finnish Air Force during the war, but of course missed the deadline and was not put into production. After the war, the Paris Peace Treaty allowed Finnish Air Force only 60 fighter aircraft and the Bf 109 fulfilled that niche at the time. The only example of this aircraft is in museum.
With Pyörremyrsky, VL designed some "people's fighter" versions named Puuska. These were simple and smaller things with DB605, but these remained as projects.
Its very important to mention that blue swastika on Finnish planes had nothing to do with nazi Germany and it was used by Finnish Air Force since 1922.
The Finnish pimped up that French Sparrow completely into a Hawk! They surprised me by their Technical Capabilities! On more brilliant Story filled with unknown facts. Thank you for this awesome stuff!
The conversion into Mörkö-Moranes came too late to have much effect on the continuation war, first ones delivered to the frontline use on july 44, the same month that saw the soviet all out offensive on karelian isthmus come to a conclusive halt (= failure, if you will) and a big junk of the troops taken elsewhere to fight the germans. Still, interesting construction.
It's amazing how brilliant were the Finns, not only as fighters, but also in mechanics. With an Air Force composed mainly by second rate aircrafts they literally mopped the floor with the reds. Imagine what they could've achieved with Mustangs or Tempests! And their engineers were au pair with their pilots....
2:42 person in the picture is Aarne Juutilainen "Horror of Morocca" nickname he got after serving in the Foreign Legion. His little brother Ilmari Juutilainen served as a fighter pilot.
It was under development. A copy of Brewster airframe with Shvetsov M-63. The end of the war, however, ended also the project. See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VL_Humu
So many neat planes to model, thanks for the video. I like history and building models, these kind of interesting videos provide the opportunity to customize models or combine models to replicate these aircrafts.
@@drianmortiz9375 I would not say it is so powerful anymore. All empires rise and all empires fall. By powerful do you mean a retreat from Afghanistan after 20 years? The Taliban victorious. Proof positive that the USA is not the most powerful nation in the world.
Lars Hattinen was killed in air accident in Koivulahti near Vaasa in January 1961. He was then Aero's civil airline captain. (Aero was later christened Finnair). The plane he flew was war surplus C-47, which was converted to DC-3. Captain Hattinen drank heavily with his co-pilot in Kokkola during preceding night. Weather too was awful then, low clouds. 25 people were killed in crash. Finnish fighter pilots considered Mörkö-Morane as "Second class fighter plane". Mentioned "second class" comes from railway passenger wagons interior classification. First class were very rare in Finland then. It was mainly for foreign passengers between Turku - Helsinki, in boat express trains. It had very fine seats, carpets and six-seat compartments in well maintenanced cars. Its tickets were most expensive, in both sleeping and day service. The second class had plush-clad ordinary soft seats too. These were built as two-open-saloon cars (non-smokers and smokers). These were seen all over the railway net in Finland. Cheapest class was third. It had wooden or thinly clad banks in whole car, divided for smokers and non-smokers too. Combined wagons were in use too, day and sleeping cars. Practically, Finnish trains's first and second class were quite equal. As was considering between Messerschmitt Bf109G and famous Mörkö-Morane. Heartly thanks for this video! I'm a railway and aircraft fan.
Every weapon the FINNS used since WWI have been Frankenstein hodgepodge put together. Some were disasters, some were excellent. Lots of weapons were left behind by invaders or purchased from countries who were enemies of their enemy at The time.
@@danhubert-hx4ss The improvement would have been great in 1940 but was a waste of efforts in 43. Finnland would have done better mining more nickel and selling it for Me 109.
A correction: During the winter war both English and the French were sided with the Finns and promised substancial military help against the Russians who had formed the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact with Hitler to split the Europe between the countries (which is why Poland was invaded in co-operation by Soviets and the nazis). Sweden blocked the supply convoys and denied the military help from Finland. This forced Finland to seek supplies where ever possible and after operation Barbarossa, Germany became the only source of supplies along with Italy. By that time the Soviet Union had become a common enemy with Finland and Germany and on the other hand England became hostile due to allied Russia waging a war against Finland. And the French, well...
One thing too: Stalin had to discuss with Finnish real government to end Winter War. Stalin was afraid that his campaign with Finland would spread to greater war, if France and Great Britain involves with Finns. At the very beginning of Winter war Stalin had created a puppet Finnish government named Terijoen hallitus (= Terijoki Government), which he recognized as an only Finns to make negotiations. Typical Soviet theatre, "maskirovka"! Terijoki-government had Otto Wille Kuusinen as Prime minister. Otto Wille himself had escaped to Soviet Russia in 1918, he was in reds side in Finnish civil war. Its War minister was Aksel Anttila, who too was in civil war 1918, mostly being as a sentry. Aksel had been an apprentice in Finnish state railway, working in Vilppula station. Aksel Anttila went then to Toivo Antikainen's military school and was promoted as an officer in Red army. He finally was conquering Berlin in 1945, as general-lieutenant. Why am I telling this Red general's story? My aunt married with Anttila-named fire chief in early '60s. Her husband was born in the same farm house (Anttila) in Vilppula in year 1930.
The British and French had no intention of actually helping Finland. They demanded Sweden and Norway let their armed forces travel through their ports and railways to "help Finland" but if Sweden and Norway had agreed, those forces would have instead occupied the Norwegian ports and Swedish iron mines to cut off German supply of iron ore.
Well not fully true. French and Brits had zero interest to actually help finland. Even Finland realised it when their promised "supply" was already 1 week away.
@@MRtapio5 Regardless of that, politically they were supporting Finland, opposite to what was said in the video. During the winter war Finland was seen as the victim just as Poland was.
Be ready to get back yours territory from imperialistic RuZZia up to the 1938 border line. All, what is stolen, must be returned to rightful owner. You - Finns - are the great people!
In battle of France, this plane had less powered engine and weapons. But even this, the french pilotes detroyed 900 german planes cos the plane had a solid structure.
The first batch was bought from France during Winter War and managed even to arrive so it took part in Winter War. Majority were indeed bought from the Germans.
@@jannelonnqvist2947 Thanks. I find the the aircraft used by Finland is a fascinating subject. I still wonder how they managed to keep all those very different types operational.
I saw some mistakes and wording that could be considered misleading so I made a video fixing what I saw. I hope you will see it even though it's quite long. I love the visuals of your video!
^^^ Oh, Dear Jeeez = That SUPERB photo' of Soviet Hawker Hurricane '42' is worth the price of admission alone Full marks for including such a luscious photograph....
Please do corrections to this video! This is another fail to people who use War Thunder wiki as a database! Or another open source data at the internet! And then make a video of these false information's!! There was never idea to use 12,7mm Berezin at Mörkö. And that's a fact! First proposal was to install 20mm ShVAK cannon but it was changed quite early to install MG 151 cannon in it. All Mörkö-Moranes had an armament of two 7,5 MAC's and MG 151 cannon. DON'T SPREAD FALSE HISTORY!!!!
Frank Joseph, in his 2012 Book 'The Axis Air Forces' writes "While not always readily available, this German armament was replaced by 12.7-mm Berezin UBS machine-guns from stocks ... the French warplane was no longer a Riippuvatsa or Murjaani, but Mörkö-Morane: the “Bogey” or “Ogre Morane." Christopher Shores, in his 1969 book 'Finnish Air Force, 1918-1968' writes, on the Morane "Supplies of the MG 151 were in any case dubious , and numbers of the captured Russian Beresin 12.7 mm . B.S. machine - gun were available."
@@aviationdeepdive 3 years a go I started this topic of mine when War Thunder revealed Mörkö Morane in game and I spotted this error of wrong armament. I actually read couple books about Mörkö but it was a bit hard because there was nothing focused purely on Mörkö. I was actually first who did make research about Mörkö here in Finland. In that topic of mine there are answer's why that wrong information was spread. 12,7mm Berezins was tested (also 12,7mm Browning's and 12,7mm LKk/42's) but only in M.S. 406 models. Early on this year was published first history book of Mörkö. I personally know this writer and he was helping me with couple of cases based on Mörkö when I was writing that forum topic. And I know 100% that Frank Joseph and Christopher Shores have wrong information of Mörkö. If you wan't to read 100% accurate history of Mörkö read that topic of mine or contact Jukka Raunio who did write that first official history book of Mörkö. It's called " Pula-ajan korvike vai menetetty mahdollisuus? Mörkö-Morane " and yes it's Finnish. Link to my topic. old-forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/478743-m%C3%B6rk%C3%B6-morane/
@@MRannikko You initially discredited my video by saying I use wt wiki as a database, which is simply an insult. I use proper publications. If they're wrong, there's nothing I can do. I can't do a trip around the world to archives to check every single tiny detail of each video I make. I can't read Finnish, so even I ordered that book you cited it wouldn't do me much good. If you're convinced you're right, go around and fix websites, contact them and cite sources - don't come and attack me and claim I use 'wt wiki' as a database.
@@aviationdeepdive like I said using open source database like Wikipedia or other. This wasn't any personal attack.🙏 This book was actually revealed now because there was so many question marks around fact's. Original blue prints and testing reports was scrapped somewhere in 1960-1980 when old Finnish aviation factory was moved out of Tampere.
Nope. Finnish one, like the one Germans started using later on, rotates counterclockwise. In some rare instances some finnish planes had one rotating clockwise on one one. I haven't researched into why that happened but it was only a few odd planes.
@@jannelonnqvist2947 We call the inverted swatiska: Manji here in Japan, it is a sign of good luck. What the Germans used in WW2 is seen as the sign of bad luck. So, you Finns had the Good Luck symbol.
The MS 406 was already in 1940 inferior to the Me 109E, the Spitfire, the Dewoitine 520. In 1943 even with a 1100hp motor it was inferior to any fighter fielded at that time. In 1943 typical fighters were Yak 9, La 5, Hawker Typhoon, Spitfire Mk IX, P38, P47, FW190, Me 109 G6
@@Leonidae Hated Btewsters? It was called as "Taivaan helmi" (= Pearl of the sky). It is true, that "Pearls" performance was no more enough in 1944, but Finns had performed well with it. Other users did not.
@@LeonidaeMostly, it was pattern of training. Finns had an advanced trainer named Pyry. If you learned properly how to cope with Pyry, there was no limits in the sky. You could handle even the barn-door, if it had an engine and propellor (and engine had two cylinders dropped out!). Fiinnish pilots air victory achievements with Messerschmitt Bf109 is best evidence of that.
As under any English-speaking video mentionning France or French material, there is a bunch of obsessed people making sure everyone share their anti-French obsessions.
Swedish Count Erik von Rosen donated a Thulin type D airplane to Finland in 1918, which became Finland's "first" air force plane. It was equipped with the BLUE swastika of the Count, a symbol of good luck used a lot in history. The blue swastika became the national emblem of all air force aircraft until 1945.
@@pvahanen Count von Rosen was a member of secret club, which was for only pure Swedish gentlemen. With this, it had however the tiny anti-semitic hint!!! And this is a fact! Hitler's swastika had its roots in anti-semitic press in the end of 19th century in Vienna. Why swastika then? This was used as an emblem in press. So, it was easily sawn different compared to Davidenstern (six-point star, as in Israeli flag today).
Interesting that the Finns decided on using a symbol (swastica) to mark their planes which was in heavy use by Germany. Sure they decided to end that practice with the end of the war in 1945.
The Finns had used that insignia on their aircraft since before Nazis existed, it had no correlation whatsoever. Use of it was phased out of course due to the extremely negative reception of the symbol following the defeat of the Third Reich.
@@aviationdeepdive Yes, that is true of course, but the insignia (like the M-18/M-35 helmets) any use of German planes also fell out of use. While the Finns may have put it on their planes first, it wasn't like it was done decades beforehand. Hitler comes along and that insignia is everywhere. It is clear that the Finns wanted to tread a very fine line with the idea of collaborating with Nazi Germany, while not getting too cozy with them at the same time. Yes, given Finland's geographical location and all, they didn't have much of a choice with getting help from Germany. The western allies were of little to no help for maintaining Finnish autonomy, and Stalinist Russia was looking to gobble them up.
Swedish Count Erik von Rosen donated a Thulin type D airplane to Finland in 1918, which became Finland's "first" air force plane. It was equipped with the BLUE swastika of the Count, a symbol of good luck used a lot in history. The blue swastika became the national emblem of all air force aircraft until 1945.
@@williamcattr267 If you knew anything about the Finnish people, you'd know Finns are stubborn. Just because some insane dictator decided to later start using the same symbol, it won't make the Finns drop it. You might say it was replaced as an aircraft symbol as a part of the peace deal. It did stay in use here and there, though, by the defense forces. Over the decades, it has been removed from some of those less noticeable places. The Air Force Academy still uses it to rather limited degree. The Finnish Air Force is, as an independent branch, one of the oldest in the world, so they probably hate to be pushed around. The people who singularly hate these kinds of things and claim ancient positive symbols can forever be ruined by some contemporary madmen, will probably also demand that the letter "Z" must soon be removed from our keyboards. Fortunately the Finnish language doesn't natively use the letter. Some other languages aren't as lucky. Too bad for them.
@@herrakaarme You say the Finnish people are stubborn?? Sure, and so are alot of other cultures out there in the world (take Ukraine for instance). Americans showed their toughness and resiliency against Great Britain in the American Revolution, and again in the War of 1812. So, the point is that toughness is nothing unique to any one culture. It probably takes one tough Jewish Finn serving in the armed forces of Finland to look the other way and not be offended by the symbol. Imagine how African American service people feel if they have to report to an Army base that is named after former Confederate Generals (traitors in my opinion). Yes, American is finally taking steps to rename these bases and distance themselves from the racist past. Comparing a swastica and the accompanying notoriety behind its use by Hitler, and then the letter "z" by Russia is not even a close analogy with considering. Personally, I think the "z" on the side of Russian vehicles looks like a drunk teenager painted it on with a can of cheap spray paint; it looks cheesy, cartoonish, and dumb. The Russian's looked better with the red star, though don't misunderstand me, I am no sympathizer of communism either, considering the untold millions who were oppressed or killed under the Red Star. Even the U.S. Army 45th division used the swastica on their unit patches (see link below): www.asomf.org/7-facts-you-probably-dont-know-about-the-u-s-army/#:~:text=For%20the%20first%2015%20years,in%20the%2045th%20Infantry%20Division. Hitler insane? No two ways about it. Regardless of how the Finns adopted the swastica in 1918 or why, it is no understatement that it is and will always be overshadowed by what one insane dictator did with that symbol from 1933 to 1945. Quite a number of people lost their lives under that symbol (both those living through it and those being shipped over seas to fight against it). Yes, we won't have to worry about the letter "z" offending anyone and having it removed from keyboards and smartphones around the globe. After all, it is not like neo-nazi groups and other hate groups are using a "z", but, they are still using a swastica for their brand of hate mongering. The seeming innocence behind the swastica (and its use in ancient India, and even among Indian tribes in the Americas) is and will forever be shattered and linked to Nazism, Hitler, the SS, extermination camps like Auschwitz and the subsequent death of more than 6,000,000 human beings (men, women, and children) during the 20th century will still be loathed more than 2,000 years from now. That type of infamy will never be expunged from the history books. So, I don't think any language that uses "z" will have to worry about omitting it from their language.
