They still need to explain how Freddie got toughened up he's not like how he was portrayed as a kid. And Niles son David, he's more than what Frasier & Niles were like portrayed as a kid / adult. With Daphne as his mom and her side of the family, he'd be a bit tougher, not so clumsy. It's like Freddie and David switched roles.
People grow up and change, that's life. The last time we saw Freddy before this series, he was 14 and the series ended when he was 15. Add in that after he got into Harvard, he realized it wasn't for him, and as it's been hinted at, spent a lot of time with Martin before Martin died. This means Freddie began to take on more of his grandfather's characteristics, and since this new series takes place nearly 20 years later, a lot does change. Hell, are you like you were back in highschool, or are you completely different?
I do wish Jane Leeves and David Hyde Pierce had joined the new show, I respect their choice. I hope they will do a guest star appearance... Niles and Daphne come to visit David, and while there, of course they'll see Frasier too. I didn't expect the new series to be identical to the old one. No one should! I'm enjoying the new show. I own the old one on DVD, and watch it as I please. I still love it.
Claire was from Seasons 8-9. You meant Charlotte. Agree with others who said it's more interesting to find out how chubby, nerdy teenage Frederick turned into that guy.
Indeed. The show has enough implied comparison without others adding to it. We'll just watch this on its own merits. So far, I've been laughing my ass off!
Absolutely awful and the writing is dreadful. As for the locations they are so depressing and there is absolutely no chemistry with the cast. Could not watch past episode 3.
Niles and Daphne back in Season 2 !!! I adore them and miss them. I love Frasier however they really all add that sparkle to the show. The dynamics are so fitting!
Find this difficult to watch, seeing Frasier looking older. In my mind he's still exactly the same as he was, the marvellous pompous snob residing in a plush Seattle apartment. The best comedy show in the world ever deserves to be remembered exactly as it was. ❤❤❤❤Frasier❤❤❤❤🇬🇧🇺🇸
I think too many people are expecting too much from this reboot, and are disappointed. When Frasier first aired after Cheers, I wasn't sure what to expect, because I missed Cheers. Let's face it; it has been almost 20 years, and people change, as does life. I left Michigan 30 years ago. Did my sister and her family follow me? No. Niles and Daphne can visit Boston over thr years.
I really want this reboot to succeed. I know it's not the original but I don't expect it to be. I want it to find its own bright light. A cameo from Niles and Daphne is needed and wouldn't put the writers in a spot of writing around their absence.
In old episodes there’s one episode about their future and at the end we see that Niles and Daphne will have TWO kids in the future. Older kid and one baby which they call little sister. So David is actually supposed to have one younger sister!
I didn't like the first episode or 2, but the new characters are warming up to me. David totally feels like Niles & Daphne's kid. Freddie's getting better as well.
I believe as the series continues, they start to recognize who they are in the characters. They young actors are warming up to me too. N in only seeing clips on RU-vid so far.
There is 5 minutes and 54 seconds of my life I'll never get back again. That has to be one of the most painful things I've ever listened to. I'm glad I watched the show before I heard this or I might never have checked it out.
“Ultimately accepts the sad reality of Niles and Daphne’s . . . “ yada, yada, yada. THEY’RE NOT IN THE SHOW, AND THEY SHOULDN’T BE! Frazier has lived apart from them, in Chicago, for the past 20 years. None of the Cheers gang moved with him to Seattle. There’s no reason anyone from Seattle should have moved to Boston.
@@jakevendrotti1496 , I’ve not followed my brothers all over the country; I’ve followed my own path all over the country. It makes sense they’d show up on some future Christmas show, but not as regulars.
Niles and Daphne played a crucial part in the show. Without these two main characters to interact with Frazier, the show loses some of its comedy flair. As no one in the new cast appears to possess the same social dynamic.
Give it a chance. Now that there a few more episodes, the show is finding its footing as are the new characters. Remember, Frasier himself was not such a 'prissy' person when he first returned to Seattle. That came out under the influence of Niles.
I think the show is doing very well, I find myself laughing as much as the original. Niles and Daphne were good, but I think the show is doing just fine without then tbh.
I dunno - for me it feels a bit like it's got a weird mix of coasting on the old series and trying to do its own thing without them meshing terribly well.
The reboot ABSOLUTELY needs to bring back Peri Gilpin and some of the other actors from the old show. The actors who played Bulldog and Mel (Niles ex wife) and others could greatly help the reboot. Right now the reboot is all about Kelsey Grammer strapping the reboot cast to his back and carrying them all scene to scene.
Remember Frasier was independent and didn't really want to spend time with everyone. Forces forced him to care for his father. Not the he didn't care.Frasier was Postcard style caring. Being a Psychogist he kept everyone at a distance to not be involved with their issues. I new a few like this that were this extreme without the laughter. The few I new wouldn't acknowledge your presence. So they don't have speak to you. Classism obviously. Frasier was able to interact with people. But many people are that extreme. So when I watch the show because Frasier is a loveable buffoon. He gets some things right and to many wrong 😅. Good Video
I think they should have found an actor, who looked a lot like Niles, with much of his same character traits, but every so often, a bit of Daphne's accent, choice of British words, and her strong character would come out. But...that would be hard to write a script for, and even harder for an actor to bring that multi-faceted character to life.
Fraiser is good, but several disappointing features. First the clothes they have Frasier in, just don't fit with his hoity toddy attitude about clothes and apartment he's always had. The plaids though popular now just don't fit how Frasier would dress even if he's retired. He'd be in uppity clothes, a nice shirt and a sweater vest or jacket etc. Most disappointing factor is Niles and Daphne are not in the show. Niles acting alongside Fraiser is what made the show so good and Daphne was such a spark in the show. Very disspointing they are not in it. I hope they do cameo's in the future. Then lastly, I pity Niles son for having to act like him, cause it's going to be very difficult for a young actor to pull off what Niles did, cause he was really the best actor on the show; and he was able to pull things off many actors couldn't and convince the audience.
Agreed. The whole feel of the show is different. It has lost much of the sophistication and eloquence I enjoyed with the show. Someone said it in a thread, all of the other characters from the original series were uniquely interesting that you wanted to know about them and their individual backstories. It didn’t seem that Frasier carried the original series instead he was part of a whole, but we focused on his day.
i have only seen the first episode because it is available here on youtube and i dont have paramount plus. but my only real thought on that first episode was both of the sons are miscast.
I thought i was the only one that thought he was overacting😮. Recasting happens all the time; I think recasting him well could really give this the chemistry it needs.
He wasn't living in Seattle he was living in Chicago. He went to Seattle for the funeral. Then, he went to Boston with David to give Freddie Martin's gift.
I may be the only one who feels this way but I believe the reboot is awful. the original show was so stinking funny. it is one of my favorite funny shows.
@@interdec fair. Many shows, including Frasier, had to find their footing over time. Cheers kind of rebooted itself a time or two. And it kept melt going.
Just as when Frasier moved from Boston to Seattle, the people from the Cheers Bar didn't move with him. Why would people think the people from Seattle would follow him to Boston. His TV show was in Chicago, so Frasier wasn't even living in Seattle when he moved to Boston. I too hope Niles and Daphne will make an appearance, but I'm enjoying the new characters.
David Hype Pierce and Jane Leeves declined to due to other commitments. David Hyde Pierce also once stated he had no interest in reviving Niles. Actors move on. They MAY make guest appearances. MAY, not a guarantee.
Damn shame would hope that they could work something out would be so cool still watching the old re-runs nightly and still get my kicks out of them. keeping fingers crossed.
Niles and Daphne aren't really essential. It was probably a blessing in disguise not to include them in the first season. If this series is a success on it's own their absence would help to build up hype for their return. Maybe nit as regulars, but as recurring characters. I don't buy the actor's excuse for not returning. Probably seeing how the show does before making any commitments, and his agent more 5han likely using this as negotiating tactic. What would be good stop gap measure is to have sam make an appearance or 2.
A major problem with the new show is that they are trying to re-create the dynamic between Frasier and his dad instead of show how the dynamic between Frasier and Freddy really would have turned out. The Freddy we saw on the original series would not have grown up to be a fire fighter but they made him one to make him a substitute for Martin. They could have had Frasier return to Boston but be so excited about becoming a Harvard professor that he unwittingly ignored Freddy, who was maybe a professor at Boston Community College, or a psychiatrist like his mom, dad, and uncle. Besides dealing with Freddy's abandonment issues, he and Frasier could have argued about academic theories and who was smarter. They also tried to make Niles & Daphne's son David a copy/substitute for Niles when they should have made him similar to Daphne's brother Simon. Now that would have been funny. The problem is they're trying to make the characters in this show be replacements for the characters in the original show instead of making them their own characters. If they would have gone the way I suggest, we could have had the father-son rivalry between Frasier and Freddy but also had them trying to rescue David from his Simon-like misadventures plus their embarrasment at his behavior.
U sound like u would make a gr8 writer for the show:). I absolutely loved this show, and i really want it to work, but as with so many of the reboots of great shows in last few years, i keep getting disappointed:(
😅😅😅😅I cannot envision Kelsey Grammer being stoned on Adderall or whatever it was at 3 am, slobbing about on Twitter, making racist comments, or any other sort of comments that would ruin his career and make him look pathetic. He has a thousand times the amount of any class Roseanne would lay claim to.
Imagine Harrison Ford having the mindset of David Hyde Pierce. What a class act. Niles was a wonderful character - Pierce would only substrate from his original performance and even fans including myself would have LOVED to see him back, I am glad he didn’t try to repaint the Mona Lisa.
The Lilith episode ran and it was terrible. Bebe Neuwirth who is an excellent actress is oddly, and I hate to say it, not good. I don’t know if it’s her old lady appearance or what…
Definitely a lack of sparkle. And how did Frasier get hired and start teaching classes that quickly in Harvard of all places? I know Frasier is a Harvard grad, but really, I can't believe he could be hired that fast one day and seemingly start teaching the next. I thought the set up was ridiculous, especially since he was just passing through to eventually go to Paris.
As Frasier is now back in Boston where he spent a good few years previously going to Cheers bar I’m surprised they haven’t incorporated a few of the Cheers characters or at least have Frasier visit the bar. I haven’t seen the new series so don’t know if this has happened or not.
They might be holding the Cheers characters back for cameo roles as the series progresses, in the same way they were used in cameo roles in the original Frasier. Entire episodes were built around a visit to Seattle by individual Cheers characters.
Us brits have been wondering where Nicholas Lyndhurst, has got to! well known comedy actor, known for butterflies, goodnight sweetheart and only fools and horses. it would be lovelly to get a camio from some of the remaining cheers cast, now hes back in boston
How are people so confused about Frederick growing up into a tough guy? It's 100% possible and reasonable for chubby kids to grow up into hot messes. People drop the baby weight as they enter adulthood all the time.
I think the new Frasier show is complete in itself. Freddy is terrific, I'm sorry l don't remember the name of the friend with the baby. She's funny, and sweet and a great addition to the cast. Alan is a character and the actress who hired Frasier is good too. I loved the original Frasier, and Nikes a n d Daphne but l don't miss them. I love the new Frasier and l hope we see alot more episodes!!
Some actors feel its below them to rejoin a film or series that made their fame and fortune, i.e., Niles and Daphne.They think they are thespians and now above such things. God knows what they're doing now of any note.
David Hyde Pierce didn't make comments to that effect. He's just working on different things now and was the one who made the very good point that Fraiser became such a breakout hit because it didn't rely on appearances from cheers characters to prop it up. He's won multiple Tony awards since Frasier wrapped up, and he's on Broadway right now. They're professional actors, and they're not obliged to come back for every revival.
Again, like many families In this country, they stayed in Seattle after Frasier moved. Do they have to follow Frasier everywhere? Who knows, they may show up in an episode.
Freddy can go in twenty years from being a broody goth teen to a firefighter guy with a decent body. It WAS twenty years. People change, even if other people with limited life experience cannot fathom that idea.
lIKE EVERY NEW SHOW its natural to struggle on its first seasons. This frasier had to be another one all by it self. It could not be the same. This being said - for the amount I've seen on youtube - this one is not up to its original in the way the actors engage with each other. Lacks something. I can point NOW TWO MAJOR REASONS for the "flop". Very IMPORTANT ONES that people don't see but are RIGHT THERE!!!! 1 - LIGHTNING 2 - SCENERY OK, I'll give it a 3rd: some characters act like charicatures. The importance of a good crew behind the scenes is mindblowing. The first Frasier had taste and color and brightness. The visual helped the dynamics. This frasier is darker. The sceneries look like props - that is what they are. The first Frasier was great in many ways. Frasier is still there - is still the same - the character, I mean. But all the rest that help Frasier be so lovely is gone. How long can Kelsey Krammer portrait a man still looking for a partner and always turns to stunning younger women when he got to his golden years?
Rather than mentioning Niles every five minutes, why don’t you actually delve into why Freddie is completely different than how he was before. Why he’s so hardened and every man when he never was before. You actually have an opportunity to explain what happened to the current characters instead of mentioning Niles.
If this is going to be anything like the original show, then they're saving that for a momentous episode. They're not going to tell you everything right away, they're just establishing the chemistry and relationships between characters for now. Patience. And of course they're gonna name drop Niles, he's David's dad, Fredrick's uncle, and Frasier's brother. That's 3 out of the "6 main cast members". If no one talks about him, then the giant David Hyde Pierce shaped hole will look even bigger 😂 I remember all the episodes about Martin's hip. The ones that addressed what happened, what happened right after, and his insecurities, etc. My only gripes are with the 12 episodes long seasons, like... Why not 24?!
I think claire was the one he took on holiday with the whole family and everybody thought they were a perfect couple, she was blonde, older and more sophisticated than some of the other ladies.
For the longest time l had imagined a surprise twist on the finale of the original series. When it was revealed that Frasier had gone to Chocago instead of San Francisco, l pictured him being not with Charlotte, but with Kate Costas, that they had remained in touch and decided, despite their differences, to be together.
I don't have Paramount Plus, but based on all the clips I've seen and all the press the show is getting, I'm surprised that the second season hasn't already been green lit. Must be the atmosphere in Hollywood right now with so many "Guaranteed Franchises" going belly up because of bad writing.
Without the original cast...the spark isnt there. Those personalities just about wrote themselves. It was magic. Spontanaeous combustion as in all great works. New characters with Fraser as the only original might as well be other sitcom basically. Might as well bring Seinfeld back. I think everyone is still alive. Older Its hard to find good personalities these days. People have changed. Society has done a nose dive. And we're too PC to tell it like it is with humor. Maybe if Fraser moved to Boston and reunited with Lilith. Their son Frederick nothing they had hoped ..but a simpleton blue color buff guy. Daphne and Niles son leaves home to come stay with his aunt and uncle Fraser and cousin while his parents are abroad. The boy is adamant on saving the environment and believes in aliens. He goes to rallies and helps the homeless Although he is also a musician and plays violin. Frederick has a penchant for photographģg😮
They really need to write off the Davis character. He's nothing like Niles, which I believe is why he is supposed to be there. The character is distractingly annoying.
Anybody in their right mind picks their children. Over their siblings. Especially in the end of life :-) Seattle would have been old hat and stinky shoe. This is fresh and it's the best :-)
The sons seem a bit bland and characterless from this clip...no quirks or grand designs like their fathers...seem a bit generic and boring. They could have done SO much with their characters considering how colorful fraiser and niles were as younger men. They could have even made daphines son hippy dippy like she was ...seems like watsed potential but maybe theyre a bit different in the actual episodes?
Whispering on the street suggests that soon after his father's death in 2018, Niles came out of the closet & confessed his unforgettable love for Danny Kriezel (from Season 2) - of course, Daphne knew about this all along...
You cannot recreate the same magic without the same cast and writers. Their personalities were unique and the times were a different age and era. Would be better to start with Fraser and Lilith...having mellowed with age and reunited..their adult son ...and nephew. Emphasis on the differences between old and new generation and the massive change in society. Class and civility out the window. High technology and know it all youth who have little time for history or fine arts. Without talented actors and unique believable...and lovable characters....it's just another average show. Hell...bring back Seinfeld. All the people are still alive. Put them in an assisted living community. Lol
cant get into it all , as the original Frasier was ALL the characters , not just Fraiser, and this new series just doesn't work , its humour is flat and lame
DHP has aged significantly. Theyre all too old to be playing these parts. Itd work better for Frazier to reminice about he and niles as children, and take it from there.
Listening to you opine about your insights being overlookeded and the obvious alternate choices for story and characters directions the show's first few episodes might have taken, sound like a stream of irritating memos from a 3rd rate network executive. Trust me, I shall unsubscribe. Who needs this>
I can't get into this new Frasier I think a lot of that is due to the fact that this cast is not as talented as the original cast, especially the actors portraying David and Freddie. They should have done a much better job casting those two with actors who have much more talent.
Could not watch past episode 3. Awful and the locations are so depressing. As for the supporting cast they are lacking any screen presence or chemistry. So disappointing and not a patch on the original. It all seems so forced and the canned laughter mixed in with the live audience grates on you. Will not be watching Rest in peace Frasier we loved you.
I have to go along with others. The reboot is not good at all. Kelsey Grammer is the only funny one on the show. The one who’s playing his son is just terrible and the lady who plays a part at the university is not funny at all. The actor who plays David Who is supposed to be like his father Niles, is not funny at it. Kelsey Grammer has really nobody to play off of. That’s just my opinion, of course. I’m really sad about it as Frasier was an absolute hug favorite for me.