The Future of Firetrucks? 

That's awesome, love the quality you produce. They send this overseas for electrification???

​@erikdenny353 sorry for the late reply but RU-vid is kind of weird with notifications for me. I just so happened to see this as I was sending my dad this video. I am not 100% but I think they do send it overseas for the electrical system and got brought back to be finished up.

They'd probably all be negative. With my sister and her husband being career (20+ year) firefighters, they and their co-workers tend to be a very cynical and sarcaastic lot that's not a fan of change. A lifetimes of putting your life on the line and seeing people at their worst probably doesn''t help.

All negative. Most of them HATE change. I love the service, dedication and valor that fire fighters provide, but many of them are dinosaurs.

They probably would care less as long as it works. It's not their personal car.

I actually test drove one of rosenbauers electric fire truck last year. Came back to work to tell all the guys I work with about it. Everything was completely dismissed, nothing but negative comments and pure ignorance

It would be all "GTFO". Literally every firefighter and EMT I know hates all electric vehicles with a passion.

So what you are saying is other snake oil salesman like him, lack Convincing description of there snake oil

@@phillipsmiley5930 So what you are saying is that you or another authorized person opted for paperless documents.

That federal Q should kill the battery before the end of the block.

Excellent

The market was 'created' by knowing municipalities run by woke liberals would spend taxpayers money on something twice the price of the existing model

He is probably the greatest car guy to ever live

Even better is his approach to buying cars. He doesn't buy cars for clout or to get noticed. He buys cars because he likes them and especially if they have a good story. It's incredible how much he knows about every car in his collection, both the history and context of it and what makes his individual car unique.

Bots baby

He called the electric motor an engine... As a car guy he should know the difference

@@codycampbell1147 But it does have an engine, they explained it in the video, it has a diesel engine to keep the batteries charged during heavy operation. And there it was under the cab.

I am wondering how much of that is artificial. The cabin is clearly mimicing a diesel. The E-One represtative is on the money about firefighters not liking change. My sister and brother in law are both career firefighters. They are not fans of anything changing,

@@stevevarholy2011 it is not mimicking a diseal it has a diesel engine this truck is way over hype it is simply a plug in Hybrid.

Obviously you've never been around heavy industrial machinery. Pumping that many GPM takes lots of energy.

@@redemptionjack4657 It's not a hybrid at all. The diesel engine isn't used for making the vehicle move.

I'm sorry we cone to your burning house we're charging the truck

Nobody.

​@@ColtonRMagby Just let it burn? Lol

@@steveniksid5874 Lithium-ion battery fires MAKE oxygen, so putting them out is impossible.

@@ColtonRMagby Not impossible, but you need special chemicals to actually knock them down.

@@Blazer02LS And those chemicals are EXPENSIVE.

Agree, he looks tired. His wife’s health must be a huge part of that…

@@sapple3946 I've noticed the same over the last few, including some leading up to the reveal of her diagnosis. This man is a legend, you can't NOT feel sadness for what they're going through.

Raking in that money to shill for crap EVs takes a toll

⁠@@mipmipmipmipmippeople with your viewpoints are the problem, lol.

Either way, Jay Leno covers automotive history in a unique, first hand way. EV sales still rose last year and they’re officially part of the automotive landscape. Cheap shot, calling this “shilling”.

Jay HAS to finally give up on his horrible take on torque versus horsepower. Literally everything he has ever said is wrong. "Torque wins races". WRONG. "Torque is what you need for pumping". WRONG. POWER is the only measure that matters. I can put out 100 ft lbs of torqe on my bike, but that doesn't mean i can win a race with a small gas engine that puts out even 10 HP.

@@buffalobilly6046 Those words were said by both Enzo Ferrari and Carroll Shelby. Furthermore if you make the numbers on either end lopsided enough you won't win in either case. HP means fast speed, Torque means acceleration. You're awfully cute but equally misguided

Yeah he asked really good questions like "is it lithium batteries?". No, they're nickel batteries obviously. And "is it heavier than the diesel truck or lighter?". Obviously without the engine it weight a lot less.... Good questions

@@amg863 Did I say every question was perfect, does every question need to be geared to the enthusiasts who already know? go rub one out, you can't always be this miserable, can you? You might need help, double up on therapy.

@@Gamefreak8112 Actually both of you are confused about the science imho…

But then everyone would see it's shortcomings........

Making the truck cruise to a fire situation is one thing. I'd like to know how many hours the pump can run at full bore ..... not so good, I imagine. Prove me wrong.

@@TheJimbob1603 He said it right in the video. Rated for continuous on scene pumping for around 4 hours. With the diesel engine running and recharging the main batteries, hours more. Did you watch the video?

I believe he says 4 hours in the video. ​@@TheJimbob1603

@@TheJimbob1603the truck has a diesel generator if it needs to pump for long periods of time.

Yeah for like 9 PSI lol

I agree. Wonder how much louder it would be at a normal 150psi outlet pressure they normally run with several handlines in service?

​@@BlazerRox😂my Kärcher does more more silent lol

The high pitch is awful. Imagine it full tilt.

​@@ls60fd, and high frequency noise like that is quite hazardous to one's hearing!

Yup. Night and day from 3 months ago. 😔

Must have lost 100 pounds.

I was just thinking this first 30 seconds in... sounds different too

it's the Joe Biden effect

I think Jay is in his late 70s. He reminds me of my uncle. I wish that I were as active as he is.

I mean the guy literally said why they did it , emissions

EV are simpler, not more complex

No. Software glitch or emp and no truck. ​@@ngilman1

@@ngilman1 are they? The motor might be simpler but the electronics, computers, are complicated

@@ngilman1 EVs are NOT simpler when you include the entire infrastructure required to manufacture, maintain and fuel them. There are so many downsides to EVs that people try to gloss over and ignore.

@@CarlDraper In that case, should 747's utilize non-electronic componentry? Of course not.

It does don’t it ?! And in 20+ yrs, there will likely be fewer of these EV pumpers around than there are the cars ! Yes ….. these things can be built, but they are never gonna fly !

Look how that turned out.😂

😂😂😂

A big YES that's what I was thinking. The TWO young men really make an excellent big rig. The big thing with ( Edison) is that it made a big rig that doesn't need expensive parts, very simple design. And you can purchase say a headlight replacement at any auto part store. I love their dash, and the design of the front engine Hood.

The Edison drive train is much more similar to a diesel electric locomotive.

@@brianparramore1104 It's the same as this truck. Battery with a backup EG.

@@brianparramore1104 Absolutely Right 👍 the two guys talk about that in their public events

Yes, this

Yeah that was a pretty fail demonstration IMO

Healthy prostate?

Two hundred years of tradition saving lives. Screens break, batteries malfunction. Newer cars have a ton more problems than older cars due to more complex electronics.

It's just a big box, about the size of my motorhome. It's not difficult to drive vehicles like this - you just have to watch for clearance around you.

YES I love that thing!!! I wanna see!

I think theres a very old and short video about that one.

You can probably find it on My Classic Car with his old buddy Dennis Guage, he did many episodes with Jay

So what?

​@@jeffw8218This could enable better communication between firefighters for sure.

@@zlcoolboy When has inter-cab communication ever been a problem? And how is that problem solved by a firetruck that is TWICE as expensive? Headsets work just fine.

To be fair, there's usually a siren and radio noise, but yeah, an electric powertrain should be quieter.

@@jeffw8218 He's someone who would rather have fire fighters comfortable than actually get there, nuts!

So you mean Rural Firefighters will have to lose local coverage when they have to donate their Diesel trucks to city areas to fight the fires their failed EV trucks should have. How ever you measure it EV Fire trucks mean more people will die. But it seems the new narrative is No Lives matter

even in cities they still need diesel too! imagine there isnt any electricity or the situation gets worse! the diesel can work for much longer and harder too.

@@carholic-sz3qv BAHAHA You just copy and pasted a script. You didn't even watch the video and ignored the facts of the vehicle. You are wrong.

Not really - just a range extender IN CASE the truck needs to remain on scene and run the pump beyond the rated battery endurance. We have scrambled many times to refill a Diesel truck on scene for the same reason. Having a range extender is a safety feature. In barn fires or similar, trucks may have to remain on scene working for eight hours or longer.

Just call it a plug in hybrid.

That exposes what a colossal con the entire green new deal cult is pushing down our unwilling throats

They will likely only rarely use the generator. Especially since most calls are nursing home calls.

Edison Motors is doing the same thing, looks great :)

Battery would’ve died

Well, I guess all that is as like a regular fire truck from LA as possible, so not likely anything new to see there. (Though I was actually thinking maybe those battery packs could do to be a bit higher off the ground, firetrucks have to go over curbs and stuff from time to time.

@@OllamhDrab You mean they have to rescue people in the real world, 24/7/365 under all conditions. such an unfair demand for that pretty toy, thats going to get people killed

@@rodonis88lights don’t use that much energy, you know that right

@@MrJimheeren you know what a joke is right?

Well if the grid is down, you're not pumping diesel either.

People aren't smart enough to figure that out or how solar panels work ​@@OMGWTFLOLSMH

@@OMGWTFLOLSMH Never heard of the hand pump?

This truck has a range extender, basically a scaled down diesel-electric locomotive. It will keep running even in a blackout.

Did you even watch the video? It has a built in diesel generator.

I think you mean that the Edison Motors truck sounds like a logging application of the RV Group hybrid fire apparatus... which has been available for years, and is based on a hybrid configuration which has been around for more than a century.

They cost more 🤔

@@verttikoo2052”pounds” short hand speak for the Imperial standard of weight measuring. Not in reference to British Pounds the currency of the United Kingdom and Dominion. Even though both stem from the gold calculating system created by the London Bank

Hopefully this truck doesn't have autopilot

That’s what I figured would happen. I work on the diesel. They just can pump all day and bake it home

LOL it's an entirely different type of truck and the problem was water LEAKs. You are spamming misinformation purposely omitted details.

@@FireTruckTech22 Diesel Pump trucks have water leaking problems too.

@@Neojhun I thought he was just talking about new technology problems and issue that come with it.

@@FireTruckTech22 He specifically stated "Vancouver Fire how well their electric unit". I was specifically referring to the problems Vancouver Fire service had.

And why not electrify everything? What's the down side?

Most things in life involve tradeoffs and compromises. There are not-goods about electric as well as gas. Believing progress and change is always better in all areas is more a matter of will than reality.

Hybrid for redundancy

Nope, this is a full on ev. It has a range extender. That is not hybrid. Hybrid implies the Driveline can be switched between fuel and electric drive. Far more complicated and expensive.

It's only used when you surpass the 4 hour Pumping run time. It's like you ignored the video. "i don't agree with electrifying" only because you are willfully ignorant.

Jay, you're awesome, apostrophe!

Unlike your spelling.

Jay. youve been bought by big Corps

@@phillipsmiley5930 lol who hasn’t?

He’s the biggest c*

So you are saying pretty answers are more important than hard facts

And catching fire!! 🔥

@@danmar007 I wonder if they said this when they switched from the horse pulled firetruck?

Yes, they did. In the early 1910s, the San Francisco, Fire Dept (SFFD) participated in a race between a horse-drawn steam engine and a gas-powered fire truck. The motorized fire truck won by a huge margin(like over 5 minutes to the scene), and the SFFD changed forever.

How well does an internal combustion engine work under water?

​@@aussie2uGA this is about the lithium batteries and their inability to be put out when they catch fire.

The cure for attention problems is Yuri Bezmenov's lectures, and how democracies are easy targets for top down subversion

what do you think a big diesel motor makes?

@@Nyx_88888 wasnt it about 2000?

@@Nyx_88888 They said 1400...

Doesn't matter, that is what gear multiplication is for

@@allentoyokawa9068 Most people don't have a clue what torque multiplication even is.....

The comments are usually half the entertainment on YT.

@@OMGWTFLOLSMH true … true!

“Ignorance of these comments” Made by people who see how ignorant it is to have a EV fire truck that needs a diesel engine to charge its batteries 😂😂

Absolutely. When on scene, the loud diesels make communications by voice alone nearly impossible.

Pardon? I couldn't hear you for the sound of screaming diesel engines.

Neeh nah nee nah...

@@aussie2uGA so headsets and radios will no longer be used?

@@aussie2uGA Indeed. My house is really well insulated normally I can't even hear the garbage truck, but when a firetruck was parked 3 houses it down it literally vibrated my entire house and woke me up.

But for how long? a Diesel can run for weeks if you kept fueled, which you can if you take a fuel bowser to the engine

​@phillipsmiley5930 if from what the guy said this would be about the same with range extender running.

@@brianbartlett7313 Do you realise EVs overheat if worked hard, one of the causes of EV fires. the new EV Buses around here have their AC running hard to keep the batteries and motor cool, Not the passengers, the cabin isnt cooled they rot in the heat Why is is so difficult for liberals to understand the primary duty of an Emergency vehicle is to be both reliable and available at all times

it is actually not! thats the torque at the wheels, a scania 770s makes around similar torque just from the engine now imagine what the gearbox multiplies to the wheels!

Agreed that the torque number is insane by comparison…… but other than win at producing more staggering numbers than a conventional diesel powered truck, what benefit does higher torque numbers provide ? That it will do the quarter mile in one third of the time ? Well that’s fantastic until you try to STOP that 45 ton locomotive….. and since in most “City” environments, the average speed any may get up to is 50 mph, the torque it achieves takes a backseat to how fast that beast can be stopped ! I still say they may be great to have conversations about, but they will never become practical in the real world.

Not a generator it is a diesel engine call it what it is.

Its a generator. Its an engine. What are you complaining about? Do engines trigger you?

Does a person have to be a fire fighter to know not to stick their hand in a fire ? Or even extinguish a fire ? It is a non viable joke from an engineering perspective . Vancouver BC has 7 of them out of commission . Exciting eh ?

I'm sure some ambulance drivers thought the same until they were give EV ambulances. many call outs around here had to cancelled leading to deaths because the ambulances were on charge or had broken down

​@@rdhudon7469based on your own line of reasoning of "if it's out of commission it's worthless" our diesels we've ordered that are supposedly 'reliable old tech' should be thrown out as well. Again, I will wait until the reports start coming out regarding repair downtime and use case effectiveness for these vehicles. They are brand new and as such new tech has manufacturing issues especially with such a complicated demand system. Your entire comment history is you ripping on electric vehicles - try not to be the person who is still riding around with a horse and buggy while everyone else is leaving you behind with cars. Have an open mind - the benefits are many should departments start making the switch

​@@phillipsmiley5930not the best use case for EVs unfortunately. Transport times are extremely unpredictable and variable and charging times are non-existent. Maybe with a quick battery swap technology available but now you are taking about millions of dollars in infrastructure changes to make it work which defeats the purpose of saving money

Worrying about diesel fumes while fighting a house fire is beyond smooth brain thinking

Nope. Every bit used by Edison is as expensive as the bits used on this truck, except that Edison is using no-name Chinese suppliers for most parts.

So I guess you missed the part about the regenerative brakes and the onboard diesel generator to charge the batteries faster than the output?

@@markmed9091 No I didn’t, wise guy, but that wouldn’t be practical to rely on for days or weeks.

@@rjsmith6698 The trucks don't constantly operate for days. The departments know the average number of calls and demand.

​@@stevevarholy2011exactly on call dammads gas is more reliable hence diesel engine onboard.

They would in the type of scenarios I just described.

Not really. EVs are perfect for short haul urban use, which is what this truck will spend its life doing. Minimal noise, no emissions. Ever been on scene at a fire with 4 giant diesel trucks running? You can't hear yourself think, not to mention the pollution.

@@OMGWTFLOLSMH Having spent 30 years in the fire service in an urban / suburban area, I can tell you with certainty that this is a suboptimal approach to fire apparatus. Here in Southern CA in particular, we are all part of a large mutual aid system that extends well beyond Los Angeles County. I have had engine companies from my organization as far as the Oregon border for weeks. The over-simple answer is, “Well we’d just not use this type of rig for that kind of duty.” Not feasible. Spend 2x the money for 1/2 the capability? I don’t think so. And, I don’t think I’ve seen a new pumper w/ only a 1500 gpm pump in it in the past 30 years. All are 2,000 gpm or greater. I also question the idea that there’s any significant “dent” in total vehicle emissions based on the number of fire apparatus compared to all other vehicle types, and the gross emissions based on actual hobbs hours. Fire service vehicle types such as ambulances, paramedic vehicles, staff vehicles, etc. are good candidates for EV tech. And their total milage every year far exceeds engine and truck companies.

Nope This is a narrative in search of a problem, Yuri Bezmenov warned you 40 years ago top down subversion, see his lectures

@@OMGWTFLOLSMH Are you allowed to tie your own shoe laces on your own?

You get the taxpayer to pay another million bucks, and the lives of a couple of africans to build another one. Dont worry there's plenty more africans

You grab the hotdog weenies and marshmallows!! 😂

I'm with you Joe. I'm also afraid of things I don't understand.

@@55Bentley6lithium and water make fire, it’s not being afraid of the unknown it’s being afraid of driving around in a time bomb.

@@loganbaileysfunwithtrains606, lithium ion batteries have no lithium metal in them, it’s a lithium salt. Sodium will also explode when you toss it in water, yet you can salt your pasta water without worry.

and his dept had to sell 3 of their fire engines to pay for the EV

Note that they include a small diesel generator that can when needed charge the battery faster than its drawn down so that is quite an implausible scenario. More likely is we can't respond since we are in the middle of an oil change on the diesel truck since it has too many hours on it or the Injector Pump got fouled and we are in the middle of changing it again. In cold weather it can also come down to the fuel gelled and is too thick to run the engine so we need several hours to heat the diesel fuel tank up before we can start the truck. Up North even with heated garages our delivery trucks when out on calls would end up getting stuck due to fuel gelling even with a winter blend of diesel in them when we'd have an unexpected drop in temperatures making it so we'd have to send out a tow or a truck with a jet turbine heater to get the tank warm and the fuel liquid enough the pump. Large truck diesels take gallons of engine oil plus there are engine oil filters, fuel filters and water separators that need to be serviced at each oil change (sometimes more often than at every oil change for the fuel and water filters/separators) so that can add quite a bit of time to get an oil change done after which you have to bleed the air out of the system to get them running again taking even more time. Anyone who has changed the oil in a diesel knows how much dirtier that oil is even after you've only driven around the block a few times so you also have that to deal with when servicing a diesel. Best!

Golly, if only here in the year 2024 we had the concept of an “adapter”.

Considering the worst scenario makes stuff reliable right? I guess(or hope) that diesel engine would do fine, as the fire station could have one big generator itself that would do the charging as usual

Fire stations generally have back-up generators to stay online.

It is actually easier - the electric fire truck can recharge at the station from the emergency generator (or use its built in range extender diesel) but everyone else has to locate a fuel station that is outside of the power outage or has a backup generator in order to pump diesel!

Then the onboard diesel engine will work.

ncattlerepai9414 stop this fire truck in a plug in hybrid.

New coal mines opening here in West Virginia. Fossil fuels will still be around another 100 years. As well as the market is still steady at $600 per ton. People that want EVs can get them but don’t think that owning one is taking their dependency off of fossil fuel even their tires are made with coal in them.

There are lots of EVs that need work, but few want to fix them

Thats one word, another is Criminal negligence. this BS is no accident. Yuri Bezmenov warned you 40 years ago. Top down subversion, all thats changed is the KGBs games has been taken over and refined by the WEF and their friends with unlimited funding, see Bezmenov's lectures

"Zero emissions" virtue signaling.

Early days. The technology is maturing. The first steam ships also had sails.

@@55Bentley6 The first steam ships didnt kill anyone by not arriving

@55Bentley6 Early days? Electric vehicles have been around for over 100 years. They were inferior to ICE vehicles then and they still are today. People back then were smart enough to realize this & so the free market chose ICE vehicles over EVs. It's only now with Government mandates for EVs going into effect forcing them on people that companies are now trying to appease the Government by hastily "developing" these "new technologies". End the Government mandates and you'll see the EV fad disappear.

Double

​@@numlockkilla but at a fraction of the operating cost, this thing will pay for itself quite quickly.

Until it needs battery replacement lmao this thing is a steaming pile

@@Lolwutfordawin Who do they call when it catches on fire?

@@Lolwutfordawinso a coal powered truck with a battery made from minerals mined by children is a good thing……you are a mindless sheep

Why would 800V from a DC Battery peak 1,256V? anyway put your hands across 800v or 1256v the result is the same

Seconding this. He'll love the heavy duty practical design.

It actually crosses FOUR CONTINENTS before even becoming a battery never mind a vehicle.

Yes, so from a "dust to dust" perspective it costs the planet more BTU's to produce, operate, and then salvage an electric vehicle than a traditional ICE vehicle.....

I love the level of ignorance and stupidity on this site. “Look Mabel! It’s one of them horseless carriages! Ain’t no future in THAT!”.

@@ulrichskaarsgard7848 And THAT is what the people who think that BEVs are leaner fail to comprehend...Great point !!

And you say that while you obviously know how many ressources in non electric car come from overseas and criticize that too, right? RIGHT?

As i'm sure mike would tell you we all have to make sacrifices to build Sir Klaus's "Brave New World" even if it takes "1984" years to do it

I wonder how many emissions will be put out if/when that Lithium-Ion battery decides to combust?

@@whatsmynameagain691 Not to mention the emissions when it ignites the fire station and the other fire trucks parked in it......

Bring back whale oil power.

Because ICE vehicles never catch fire? 😉

My 1% lasts forever

of course they programmed it to not go under 10% for longevity, you can almost run the ICE till the tank is literaly empty.

You better just hope the weather doesn't get cold or the power doesn't go out

But you have to care, its Sir Klaus's law

I feel that way too, but look at the small amount of water pressure that hose puts out at 24:02 it doesn't inspire confidence. If the truck hooked up to the hydrant it would put out more pressure I'm sure.

Oil Fired steam turbine ships revolutionized warships

Steam powered would make more sense than this thing. At least you can utilize the onboard water to make steam with.

@@phillipsmiley5930that’s still largely the standard. What’s your point?