I find it weird that the nationalistic Asian community dunks on us in Global but yet they hop gacha to gacha spending the most in the mobile market in Asian countries. Explain that? Make it make sense.
@@bigman415 ngl though, it's really funny seeing people defend multimillion dolar companies. Like, come on guys, you can play more than one gacha, the dailies take like two minutes to do LOL.
Yeah we're upset because YOU WON'T OIL UP 😢 Edit: The original title of this video was "People are upset" Edit 2: OIL UP FOR THE VILLAGERS POKKE!!! SHOW US THAT YOU ARE HIM 🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣
srsly when i started HSR - my first gacha - 1.5 years ago i already got the feeling right away that at least 50% of the gacha community is mentally unstable. now 1.5 years later i know for sure that actually 80% of the gacha community has severe mental issues without any chance of fixing them
Everyone have mental illness. Go look at other media like novel, tv shows, etc, hell even the community, society, government, west, middle east, Africa, Asia, the whole world. No one is mentally stable.
Honest opinion, I am one of the people WuWa lost due to bad mobile optimization. For context, I love WuWa and Genshin, and I had quit both. Firstly, I came to realize that while both games are kinda of like open world rpg, they're not like Skyrim (if you guys get what I mean) where everytime you explore an area, you get cool loot and stuff. In Genshin and WuWa, you gotta explore the mao entirely to get pulls, once you have pulls you gotta be lucky if you wanna get what you want. I came to realize I'm not a big fan of that because I feel like my effort is not being repayed equally, but this one is a personal gripe. The real issue is the performance issues. I have this fixation of wanting to be able to play genshin and wuwa with maximum quality. But I can't, and yes it's unreasonable given that my phone is a bit old. So I of course was willing to play on the lowest settings. Genshin was still laggy and clunky even at the lowest settings (do keep in mind I was using a different phone then that the one I have now xD) And unfortunately WuWa was the same, it was having crazy frame rate drops, it was laggy overall. It became frustrating to play. And so, despite how much I love these games, I had to quit them because they were stressing me tf out. I'm glad I still have HSR though xd
These people don't understand that casuals carry gacha games. Reason why HSR, Genshin and ZZZ makes more money than WuWa is cause the playerbase Hoyoverse appeals to the most are just more likely to spend and there are more of them. If casuals can't even do abyss in genshin, why would they bother playing and paying in WuWa
Which is half true. The main reason why HoYo is successful is because of branding and marketing. It’s the same exact reason why Apple is successful even though their competitors make better products.
@@TacticalDimples Well its a combination of things. A) much more casual base, B) dedicated base that plays more of their games so they spend more on Hoyo stuff, C) way more marketting, D) more predatory gacha. But yeah good comparison with Apple. They sell a lot cuz of mindshare as well.
Honestly at the beginning all this drama was fun for a while but after constantly doing this, the reaction content is just becoming rage bait and engagement farming. I was one of your oldest viewers, started watching when you were making actual content videos giving us perspective about which character was worth our pulls in HSR. (especially the chinese viewpoint) You still do those but you Branched out too much into drama/react content. It maybe good for your channel but overall quality has dropped off a bit. Repeating the same phrase again and again is funny at the beginning (Insane, Nuclear, F2pBTW etc) but its just annoying now. Not to mention the speed at which you speak -It was ok before but you just yap randomly at times which is really unintelligible. I am still your supporter but i will be actively avoiding these type of videos now on. You might not even read this but if you do, i am just saying this as a wellwisher who watched your channel grow and enjoyed your content before.
I mean, he basically just went to this direction of content cause he hangs out with tectone lmao. As is the fact that one shape's themself based on their environment, pokke being surrounded by the drama and Tectone in particular made his content shift into this direction. Now tbf, his vids with his mods were enjoyable, cause its literally just him hanging out with people he knows on discord and watching them play.
@@jeological5394tectone being the top gacha content creator has this negative effect where now all the upcoming content creators model themselves after him. Just lazy drama farming and react content. Not a lot of actually original content. Tectone is very successful with this but I don't care for that type of content, but too many CCs now just copy his formula.
@@Sable813 yeah pretty much. the thing is the guy is literally just a grumpy guy, who can actually make being a 29yr old actually look like a 50yr old. And its cause of this fact that he can continue farming views from the content he makes regardless of whether the viewers see him in a positive/negative light. The problem arises when other CCs start to emulate that type of content and actually can't handle the results of making such content.
Here's another point to think about, this ZZZ vs WuWa drama is 100% manufactured and completely made up by the community themselves, there was not a single evidence that shows the official ZZZ nor WuWa Devs plan to have this war with each other. Therefore I would advise taking this community drama with an inch of salt as it's completely made up purely for farming hate and rage bait
So much popcorn can be eaten in this WuWa ZZZ war. Hot take, an easier game is more accessible and more people will play, just look at Genshin. Also hot take, playing a harder game does not make you and everything you stand for superior.
Good take. Casual gremlins who can spend minimally while pulling + playing favorite chars are what carries games. Appeal + accessibility are probably the biggest factors of success here. Difficulty and skill are a niche in the gatcha space.
Time. For example I myself barley have enough time for genshin wuwa and hsr (and some other games) Having to chose what game you play everyday is normal Gacha gamers just want to shit on something they don't play so they don't feel bad about not playing it.
@@iCHRIS-xThen just drop ZZZ i guess? I personally can't take more than one gacha game which is ZZZ for me and if you are having more fun with wuwa it's absolutely fine to drop ZZZ and get more free time for yourself
I am surprised that people cannot understand that every game goes through a honeymoon phase after it's initial launch. ZZZ was going to inevitably be the top grossing game especially because it has Hoyo's backing and a relatively smooth launch.
Why would Love and Deepspace cater to the "gays" when the devs' blatant homophobia (banning yaoi fanarts etc) was prevalent in the game's runtime and it was even hated by the lgbtq community. That honestly undermines the fact women can in fact spend money on games too lol
Srsly, they weren't as loud back when it was still obey me, mystic messenger or even tears of themis days. Lol. Ccs look like they're underestimating the power of women's wallets lol.
🤔 As a WuWa fan who plays on mobile, WuWa's spot below ZZZ is deserved. 😅 WuWa is my fave, ⚠️ but there's no controller support so the experience sucks. ZZZ is easier to play on mobile cuz tapping my screen randomly is enough to win and progress. Most players play on PC so it's doing far better than people are assuming. But this is MOBILE revenue. Playing WuWa without a controller is not efficient. It's an annoying experience. They NEED to add controller support. I'm honestly surprised it did as well as it did in mobile revenue when the mobile experience has been hovering between being mid to sub-par with no controller support.
They've teased a Playstation 5 build of the game I have no Idea when it's coming out but that should allow more people to play it since it runs well The controller support stuff though may come alongside Ps5 release, Hopefully they fix their servers before then because latency issues alongside controller latency is suffering
Sounds right to the internet....I mean it's how some people make a living (Proof of this is check out "anti w"ke youtubers....along with "alpha male" podcasts)
Kuro Games makes less money than it could for several reasons 1: more advantageous gacha for players you only need 4 copies for a character instead of 6 there you still have 2 possibilities to lose 50/50 and go to hard pity = more money 2: does not have the 50/50 or 70/30 nonsense for weapons again it loses money where other games milk the players until they pass out 3 Banners will run for a bit more than three weeks 20+ days 4:a more advantageous system to obtain artifacts with or without stamina where in other games you are forced to use stamina and normally you use money to recharge your stamina ..................... hoyoverse knows how to milk players
Idk why they would care about how much money they make. I think they have more than enough to pay for the servers. Feel free to call me naive on that take. I truly care for quality than revenue.
@@reaperfall6630 being timegated doesnt make it worse. Have fun having to spend hours in the open world and not getting a single upgrade. Thank god it is timegated in hoyo games.
Best way to enjoy a game is to ignore the commnunity lol. You'll just lose more braincells if you keep interacting with this kind of people. Dont give a fuck about others opinion, just play and enjoy the game you want and you'll find peace.
I think it’s a bit funny to see people talking about f*cking gacha games as if they talking about the stock market. At the end of the day it doesn’t matter at all how much money the companies make… the only thing we as the consumers should care about is whether the game updates we get are lit or not. I want people to talk about characters, quests, cutscenes and aboobas and not about Wolf of Wall Street sh*t.
Those two things are directly connected. Hence why so many games are following the Hoyo model. They all had booba, but development is following the money.
one thing I thought that could also make Wuwa have less revenue is, they basically are more F2P than ZZZ and others. Weapon are guarantee means you absolutely will spend less on the weapon banner, and if you are RC6R5 you only need to roll for RC4 and R5 then you can exchange the last 2 RC in the shop, which makes the games really don't need that much spending
If HSR taught me anything it's that I have unlimited time to play turn based games with automode. I quickly get tired of super action based combat. Another thing it taught me is I love having a living world to explore with new areas each update, but I dislike having too much samey exploration in an open world game where almost everything feels like it's just there to put another shining chest or minipuzzle. HSR hit the perfect niche for me and I'm really annoyed there are no similar clone gachas to HSR yet with fun 3D autobattle and good animations, explorable world that's not completely open world, decent story, etc. Auto-battle takes away all the tediousness of doing the same battles again and again.
This whole sensory tower situation is just so damn funny. People have already said time and time again that data on sensory tower has always been a rough estimate, yet the gacha community still act like this is their bible and wage their holy wars against each other
gachasmack saying the ZZZ spenders were just hoyo spenders that didn't spend in genshin/hsr is painfully untrue and it's going to reveal itself in time. ZZZ brought in many, MANY people who've never been in hoyosphere before
@@loufih that's smart, nothing beat furries in term of spending money lol. I mean there's a reason why artist that do commission for furries is making banks even though they despise furries themself 😂
correct me if i am wrong but i think its not official info from these companies, that don't just share how much does every game make, these are just speculations and they can be MUCH different in reality, we really cant know for sure what numbers that these games generate.
as someone who enjoys both zzz and wuwa, watching these people fighting over pointless things is absolute entertainment. Both games are in the top of the chart. They both have found success and the only thing different is one number is bigger than the other which only impacts the company and not the consumer. I like that there is competition but the competition (in my humble opinion) should be between the companies rather than the playerbase in order for both to keep improving their games.
This is the modern equivalent of having one child arguing with this friend that his blue power ranger figurine is stronger than his friend yellow power ranger.
Yeah nah I can't be bothered with getting involved with this fandom war. Just play the games and enjoy them for what they are, you don't need other's opinions to validate your enjoyment of either. At this point I'd happily take a degen community over a toxic one. It's far friendlier UWOOGHH-ing with the Nikke, AL, SCZ, or BD2 community, or 😭😭😭💢💢💢 with the BA one.
Tribalism/mental illness. Some people genuinely think wuwa should be less generous so they can get more revenue. Since people tend to invest lots of money or time or both into these games they need there game to be up top or the best or they feel bad. Lot of people have insane time sunk/money sunk fallacy on these hyper predatory games.
@@pukajamas2479 Bro in wuwa u can spent 300 euros to get an r5 weapon in zzz or genshin you will get one copy max 2 if you lucky. Gacha gamers really thing more money = more revenue = better game.
Why can't everyone just let everyone enjoy what they want, I don't play zzz but it's good that people like it. So what if it earns more money? Does it affect anything? Why do people need to get upset with this?
If the ZZZ community didn't have to endure an entire month of non stop hate mostly from a specific game's community then we wouldn't be running our mouths now.
Wuwa is a better game, but ZZZ has better lore, character backround, general world building(it being a smaller world helps that), and honestly phenomenal npcs, world just feels more lively and interesting despite being 1/10000 the size. There's also just not enough side quests or reasons to wander around in Wuwa, sure the world has prettier places but once you see those places there's nothing else but farming mats and echoes really.
@@FelipeSilva-jm8yg Gameplay makes a game, everything else is extra. I don't consider walking simulators, or visual novels as games. The game elements of ZZZ is absolutely inferior to Wuwa.
The community has themselves to blame before wuwa release every single video had negative comments The game didn't outright eos on arrival and actually made good money so now people who liked this game finally had the chance to clap back But they too took it too far and are reaping what they sowed The worst part is that this is gacha community we're talking about so none of these people will learn anything and the cycle will continue
Wtf I thought this sdsdsaasdsadasdasd had 5 accounts but he had another one totalling to 6. Theyre all made in 2024 his other accounts PonderMINGY, sadasdasdsa, Galiburton, HhtggTggfghg, and now edsterdwe. Theyre all made in 2024.
@@maheee didnt you see he replied to me with his alt right away. Just go through the comment section and you will see this guy shitting on mr pokke with 6 different accounts
Why people surprised when WuWa doesn't make as much money as hoyo games? From how the banner in WuWa works its already obvious it's not gonna make as much money: Guaranteed limited weapon banner, No 5 star weapon in Character banner, Less pity and better drop rates. And also everybody get at least 3 different 5 star char of their choosing at the beginning of the game, and a 5 star weapon in lvl 45 so people can just use their standard pulls on the weapon banner (you can choose the weapon that you want guaranteed). The 5 star weapon is pretty good too so less people are going to pull for the limited weapon. (I forgot to mention you can also share weapon in WuWa so if your main DPS is Jiyan, Jinhsi, And Calcharo for example you only need 1 5 Star Broadblade for your 3 teams lol)
@@Bakemer94 Really? I don't watch twitch but I guess there is not much to do in Wuwa right now except echo farming and using stamina, hopefully they added a new event soon. I just got to UL 60 today so I'm still enjoying it tho
Drop Wuwa after 1.1 the next update take too long, Ui suck, music kinda mid, bad performance( my pc can run GOW,RDR2 at medium setting with 50-60fps, yet still lagging at low setting on Wuwa) maybe comeback if thing getting better.
thats kinda interesting, my pc cant even run rdr2 at that fps but i get 100fps (fps unlock) on wuwa at the highest settings. quite curious abt your pc specs
Its in unreal engine man, sadly it sucks. my personal laptop , not too expensive, also suffers same issue, the lag is quite insane, even if i plug a charger, it can be noticed. sadly the game is just too heavy for pc, laptops. music is mid, i agree, ui sucks, agree. i can handle advanced settings only on charger though haha.
One of my favorite copes from Kuro bots is that the reason wuwa is low is because the game is “hard”. Believe it or not, There are many people who believe hoyo games are hard, when the Ruan mei bug quest came out, there were so many post on Twitter/tiktok about how hard the bug was to beat. My gf only plays gatcha games hsr,genshin, nikke and she sucks at them but she still enjoys them and whales on the game. If the game is good, it doesn’t matter how hard or challenging the game is, people will play/spend money on it.
okay, I don't buy into ww is omega hard either but comparing having to learn enemy moveset in any action game to struggling in hsr caused by your dogshit build is stupid
U want to sit and tell me left click simulator known as zzz, press 4 ults at the same time known as genshin and autoplay known as hsr is harder than wuwa? Brother what
@@cojacojax when did I say any of those games are hard??? I’m saying there’s many people who think hoyoverse games are hard but yet still play them, so wuwa players saying the reason no one plays their game cus it’s “hard” it’s just coping. If the game is good people will play, simple
@@wbbb1256 game is good either way lol, the only people hating on wuwa are genshin players disguising themselves as "zzz players" when they are clearly hating it for no reason
I seen comments making the comparison for Wuwa vs Hoyoverse to Samsung vs Apple is so perfectly based. I been having this thought that Hoyoverse functions the same as how Apple does and I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks that way.
As for Gacha Smack's theory about zzz still performing this well continuously in future is not very likely. If you have played all these games for a while now, you know how Hoyo balances the patches of these games to not pressure the players to spend on all their games. It has been the same trend with hsr and genshin for a year now.
Hoyo zzz community continues to make me with their double standards and hyppocrisy. Wuwa lives rent free in their minds. Now they got exposed and playing the victkm card.
The hate Dokkan been getting in these revenue videos for no reason because it did better than WuWa 😂 (Ui goku dropping in a few days so it might be another rough month too)
Treading water takes effort. Wuwa naturally dropped from 45 to 30-35. Hoyo increased from 160 to 170. If Hoyo did nothing they wouldn't just retain 160.
Man wuwa community has gotten so out of hand. It's just insane to me how they're treating the game like it's the second coming of Jesus, that it's perfect and there's no wrong thing in it, and that we should support and like it because it's the savior of the gaming community. It's just so interesting how the mentality of the wuwa community is to pride themselves that it is the absolute and you should like the game and hate other games. It's just so insane. How did we even get to this point? It's so crazy man
Huh ? Really ? Not like theyve been complaining abt Echoes tuners and exp, not like they complain abt bad mobile optimization and no controller support, not like they have been giving criticism right ? Aint no way right ? All praise right ? Not like the things you see is not what the majority do right ? Not like ZZZ has been getting all hate right ? No one praised it right ? No one is saying "zzz is better than ww" right ? Not like what you see is what majority do also right ? Its not like these discord between communities are gone the moment you pay no attention to them right ? Man i sure cant play both games and criticize them both and also not pick a definitive size and can compare which properties they do better. Man i sure cant leave a comment talking smack about one community, while completely disregarding the other community and only pay attention to the side that i want to talk badly to due to the reaction ive only seen online, and not due to the main fact that my personal enjoyment of video games boils down to my affinity with drama related to said communities. I sure hope that there are no people with sound mind who can play whatever games they like and accept and criticize the flaws that they have. That would be awful.
Hoyo is a billion dollar company at this point even. I dont really get why people are so dedicated to them. Esp since they have not only hit well (HI3 part 1, HSR) but also missed hard (Genshin, HI3 1.5-2) and being split (ZZZ, god-tier animation, actual mid/generic chara designs, tedious gameplay)
@@Tiasung if you call genshin a miss, then you're clearly living out of this world man. It's thank to that game that wuwa was created, and that the others gacha games hsr and zzz entered the path of mainstream, before genshin every single gacha was ass and didnt generate more than 3M per months
@@sa_nji_7378 hes actually a bot maybe a paid service. 7 accounts PonderMINGY, sadasdasdsa, Galiburton, HhtggTggfghg, edsterdwe, sdsdsaasdsadasdasd, now trvolta-c8t. 5 comments shitting on mr pokke all made in 2024.
WuWa has issues. Biggest for me is the main progression in WuWa. Taking user level 60 to max out a character and the echo being extremely resource extensive. If they just allowed level 1 echoes to level up echoes this will fix 1 issue. But yeah, having a bunch of echoes to reroll but with no level up mats it's pointless to do.
Im not going to lie the western cc took a big L. Instead of just saying the game is not for me they go on a constant rant about zzz. Literally living rent free in their heads. Also the fighting over which gacha game is better is insane. I understand why they call it gacha pvp. Just play the game you like and shut up.
I was going to say that the comment section was pretty tame and I was recovering my fate in the community until i got to the bottom comments and saw the shills lmao, fuk this shit imma drop both games and download love and deepspace
People can't accept the fact that a game that they hate and expected to flop made it to top. LMAO. Proceed to glaze and made a lot of excuses from their favorite game because their ego can't take it. 😆
WuWa needs to hurry up and come out on the ps5 already. Game runs like ass on a phone unless it's the high end ones and no I aint buying no fucking $900+ phone for a f2p game.
The gacha community: Hyping a game bc "dev listened" and seeing monthly revenue making "30 mil" as a failure.✅ Making a game themselves and making more money to proof a point that it is "easy" ❌
Since when did game difficulty become the metric for gaccha games being good or bad lol. Actually dented take, we're acting like all of these games aren't easy to play with artifical progress limiters bound to time. Kuro shills are out here thinking they are the honored one for playing the game with negative edging, the game is not that hard, gaccha games are not hard. There's standalone games for that.
@24:46 My fave Love and Deepspace CC. ❤😊 I highly recommend her content and the game. Maybe she can teach Mr. Pokke how to play the game since he seems interested in trying it. 😆💕
the funniest thing about the current drama is that it was all Fully predicted. most rational people could see it, even though i personally hated playing ZZZ i could see its appeal, it definitely is MADE for casuals like every other hoyo game, Thats just not my style of games, if im looking for a the most casual experience i dont go to gacha i go and Play Stardew, I play a few random rougelites or likes.
@@member.5290 Facepalm, that's like saying on ZZZ other than Hollow Content what's more "challenging" about ZZZ. Even MMORPG are like that lol, only certain end game becomes a challenge while Story,overworld are just a means of timegate,grind etc, are you new perhaps in RPG?
@@member.5290a lot of the events will be like Pgr where it's going to focus on you having well built teams Holograms, tactical simulacra for example, illusive realm, Tower, (more leaked modes)
@@haruusami1831 i just asked question, because i played wuwa myself. Second, i dont say that zzz is a hardcore game, even the most hard content (hollow zero last stage) is a simulated universe, which mean u can get god seed and rush thru run easily
PonderMINGY, sadasdasdsa, Galiburton, HhtggTggfghg, edsterdwe, sdsdsaasdsadasdasd, Indet Jungfdare all the same accounts btw. 4 comments shitting on mr pokke all accounts made in 2024. Edit" as of now i spotted 9 different accounts most of them made in june 2024
I feel MrPokke slowly become MrDrama Bro should just drop wuwa n any kurogames games if u dont like it tbh...at least i could just watch ur HSR content not a overpraising ZZZ content
21:16 That guy is right about not being able to post link to sources, youtube's automod for some reason will delete any comments that have links to other websites I presume its because of protecting people from accessing malicious links since bots tend to try to use spoofing to scam people and YT probably feels it will give them a bad look if they don't do something about it.
Not Kuroshills thinking their game had a chance to beat any of Hoyo games revenue and Hoyoshills thinking a game with millions of dollars revenue is flopping. Y'all gacha gamers are becoming more like kpop fandoms, fighting over charts and numbers 😂
Exactly and at the end of the day does it matter? Idc if wuwa aint beating hoyo i just want kuro to produce a peak game💀. And i thought we all established that more popular/more money ≠ better quality (and i dont get how ppl are surprised that zzz got 96mil)
Hoyos Fanbase is notorious for just being extreme outside of the gaming community who are relatively chill The mentally ill who take it to social media showcase why they're so disliked lmao
Hoyo shills spreading hate on wuwa, Kuro shills spreading hate on zzz, now hoyo shills are spreading hate on wuwa because zzz came top 😂. What a bunch of people they are hahaha. If only they could just play the game and enjoy, but nah, i bet whenever they see a video they are like "I need to make sure that I spread hate on Internet " type of mindset subconsciously.😂
Honestly I had the same take since zzz release, if any other company that is not hoyo launched zzz, 90% of the players wouldn't have even tried to download it and play it. That's the truth whether you want to agree or not.
Honestly I'm just Enjoying HSR (My Only Hoyo game that I am actively Playing) Genshin is so Clunky, and I am not interested in ZZZ, and if I wanted to know more about HI3 I could just watch it's Lore/Videos. Wuwa on the Other hand, it's quite fun, It definitely isn't the most Optimized of games (UE4 lowkey really sucks on Mobile and does stutter a lot on even other games on PC), It is quite a fun Experience, with a really good Echo system, and story in the beginning was nothing Special, but gets better and better
It'd be really nice to see a livestream tournament for the monthly revenue having gacha content creators as the hosts and announcers like we're watching some grand prix or wrestling
I play all 4 games, saying that genshin is shit its fair cause lack of QOL and overall gameplay loop, but shitting on ZZZ because you are mad at mihoyo its way too disingenuous 😂
The hilarious part of Pokke's argument re: Smack's point is that it's basically suggesting that 2/3rds of the year for each of their games are gonna be dogshit now to spread the revenue around. Seems bad. Not sure I want to log in daily for a game that I'm only going to enjoy 1/3rd of the time, but you need to log in daily or you won't have any pulls. You can rotate games around like that only if you're an unrelatable whale who just buys pulls.
