The Gaming Whales Have Spoken | Asmongold Reacts 

"your* broke" 😂

@@cidlunius1076 you're broke is correct

​@@mromzie It was a joke

Gotta love RU-vid linguistic experts

@@mromzie whoosh

Hahaha I love this. The whales are being farmed by gambling game devs.

This is the best description I've ever seen. 😂

Bruh they don't care. They have fun in the moment and don't get all aspie about implications or whatever. True freedom.

Yeah i don't mind spending money as long i having fun 😂.

Cows eat grass happily, ignorant of the slaughter house - they just really love grass.

You can buy half of Pine Bluff with that and still have half a million left over.

A sturdy shed big enough is a house.

That’s a modest home in Denton Tx

Damn I'm moving to Arkansas!

The trailerhood 😂 Thanks for a chuckle!

As a fat guy, I give this a thumbs up too!

@@rallyrobx7604 brace yourself… I am also kind of fat lol

Whale also takes business trips to dubai and loses women on yacht trips all the time while destabilizing our country in standers O and the world has a problem with whales the world isnt trying to shame their rich for their lack of family values like muslim nations who are trying to influence our democracy

My Mum is from Ireland, my Dad is Englash and I live in England. The other year on her birthday, I told my Mum I was going to buy her a takeaway of a traditional Irish dinner. I then proceeded to send her nothing!

And for many years to come, unfortunately. Nothing will change.

Gamers have kept bad games alive and will keep doing it while complaining about others.

let them... more idiots busy with gacha games means less idiots in good games. its not like we had a shortage of good games with fair business models. there are way more crazy good games i want to play than i ever had time for.

@@tNuOcCaFrUmS It's impacting nongacha games. Whales are a blight on gaming. I'm old enough to remember when games were complete when you bought them. You could earn all of the content by playing. Now time is wasted with cosmetic bullshit instead of the shit that matters.

Whales have been keeping bad games alive AND making potential good games becoming bad whaling games AND forcing the creation of bad predatory games aimed at them for so many years now. Fixed it for you :)

My mom works in a betting office and they literally have to get ID and financial statements and talk to the bank and upper management of someone is trying to spend over a certain amount

gambling is illegal in Japan, they were replaced w games.

Very true

And gambling addicts don't even spend as much on the slots as people do on these games. Not even close.

You're right. Gambling addicts spend way more... lol@@ethanwilliams1880

Blizzard stock has been in the $90s since July last year, you could get over 5,500 shares for $500,000. The last dividend in August was 99c. You'd make $5K a year sitting on your ass just in passive income for the amount of money these whales blow on pixels.

​@@lewisyeadon4046 I know. People are dumb.

​@@lewisyeadon4046But is it gamey? Dopamine once a month or year on dividends only? Yuck.

@@DamianSzajnowski That's where day trading comes in, duh

​@@lewisyeadon4046that's a bad Divenend yeild.

I think its pretty evident they aren't happy, these aren't the comments of happy people.

yeah, theyre huffing premium grade columbian cope

In reality they are talking about the gaming developers being happy from the whales keeping their income up long after the game copies have sold. Its all psychology u want Big Deek Energy, I can give u that for a price. The whales will oblige because it generates the feeling of rarity and power not attainable from no lifers. Most whales are people that have a high income that work a ton and cant play all day. So in return its like using your real world skills to catch up to no lifers. Who is really to blame now? people that have all the time in the world to 100 percent a game or the people working the 9-5 who can play one hour a night? OR the greedy developer trying to pocket the deficit? Its much deeper than some generic old story of drug addict looking for his next hit.

Exactly and that is why whales keep on whaling, it's not that they are addicted, sure some are, but rather they feel slight ir temporary sense of fulfilment

@@haruyanto8085 also sunk cost fallacy is fukken real for these people

Man, Age of Wushu was so good. I miss that game, no other game scratches the same itch.

They will miss it that's why they go out of their way to posture and proclaim how much they are spending.

@@TheNewtonFr no banker from Singapore can casually drop 3k on a game unless they’re a true deadbeat. Singapore has a far inferior economy compared to the US

@@ectsyhate to break it to you but there are millionaires and billionaires in every country, poor or not. Singapore is a thriving country and one of the most popular destination sites. Your comment makes no sense

@@ectsy singapore banking industry is very lucrative

We need YOU bruv! There's a society of us, who will go to play a casher game, as a free to play, and set out to PROVE one don't NEED a thousand dollars to win the 1s and 0s competition 😂. YOU are the type of people we WANT to see in these casher games! You HAVE the resolve to not crumble and give in to the casher model. You possess the patience needed to grind like a REAL person.

honestly the gacha BT minis aren’t that bad, especially since you can buy the packs that come with the minis that come in those packs separately

@@swizzamane8775 Unfortunately for you I also value my time too much. I would rather play a real game that respects my time investment to not have manufactured problems and flaws.

See, it's never a gamble with minis, just add them to the collection and use them lol long live battle tech

FGO does have a pity system now. All you have to do is 300 pulls / 30 multis on the same banner to guarantee 1 copy (and then the "pity" stops). Yes, 300 pulls, even the pity is targetted for whales.

If someone pays for a game or for an item in the game i dont think it is to get other peoples approval. i myself have payed for in game items and i do not GAF what or who you are,, so your approval or disapproval is totally irrelevant just like you....

@@michaelphillips721🐳🐳🐳🐳🐳🐳😅

I think they just want to be left alone to do what they want. I know I would if I had that money. Who cares what I do with it? "You are coping!", "NO. YOU are coping!" Both sides of this are idiots. Anyone who cares needs to get a life.

@@michaelphillips721 Mmmmm you don't care about anyone person in particular. But it's disingenuous to say they are irrelevant, because without them you would not be buying anything. Whales need krill after all.

@@michaelphillips721 Exhibit 1: Angry whale.

Would be scam in the con?

That also explains modern politics lmao

​@@samfire3067you are the prime example of why its easier to con someone

Imagine going to the grocery store, and being required to buy Supermarket Coins and then going to the register and buying unmarked brown bags of "food" with these coins. You just wanted some milk and eggs, so you have to just keep spending more and more coins until you finally get them.

​@@somethingclever4563 or just politics

He earned way more than that on Genshin, so actually he didn't spend anything, his viewers, ad sponsors and RU-vid did.

​@@Tyronom That's not how income works, lol You can't prove that the $300k spent on the game earned itself back through ad revenue vs. how much he would have made playing the game F2P

@@Tyronom Your logic is so broken it may as well never been made.

@@ultimaxkom8728 His logic is fine. tectone needs content to get ad revenue and sponsors -> he makes crazy vids of him spending exhorbitant amounts of money on genshin impact -> he gets tons of viewers and engagement -> he gets more money from ad revenue and sponsors -> he makes even MORE crazy vids -> gets MORE viewers , etc etc. The logic is irrefutable and is extremely sound. I have no idea why youd say otherwise. You think MrBeast has an endless well of money and just graces the world with giving it away? lol Its a means to an end, not a singular active thing. Do you have any idea how much twitch pays for sponsored ads alone? its tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands per minute in some cases. Asmongold turned down a sponsored segment not too long ago; it was 45,000$ for 30 seconds.

how much to be an entire ocean then

Facts 😂

I think your google translate broke at the end there 🤔

ICANT is an emote, you're clueless

@@therealzizmon1748 🤓

​@@therealzizmon1748 I think he meant the "how not care he is" part

people are 100% clueless now a days they live in there own little world very few people now a days are aware of the world around them and how things you do do effect things and set chain reactions like in this example of whales in mini transaction u might say its not hurting no one if it makes the whale happy then whats the problem .. see clueless they dont see the bigger picture if you let them keep doing that then game devalopers get the impression people like spending money on mini transations and there for creating more games pay to win.

@@CHICKENmcNUGGIESMydude Very true, everyone just lives in their own little world these days without any consideration for what's happening around them. It's a problem much larger than anything going on in video gaming.

can one american tell me why you are unable to use the words you're and they're correctly in place of your and their?

@@AlexeiX1 Freedom 🇺🇸🌭🔥

Positively. Get out of your little sphere, Asmon. The world won't fix itself, and this defeatist attitude is possibly even more harmful than that of the whales. The way is it today: Whale enters game I play. Shortly thereafter: No longer playable, and there is absolutely nothing I can do, because whales move where other people move. This is absolutely not limited to games either; just look at the hardware market.

This is exactly why i don't argue with anyone.

​@@worldzealot🤣🤣🤣🤣

Don't forget; "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." -George Carlin. Especially if they are large groups of stupid people with copious amounts of disposable income.

Never play chess with a pigeon it will shit over over the board and strut around like it won.

In Romania we have another wise words for this, we say NU TE PUNE CU PROSTUL, CA ARE MINTEA ODIHNITA, aprox translation "he doesn't fool you because his mind is at rest"

With that sort of income, I can whale on art commissions instead.

math has never spoken to me on such monumental level before )_)

$70 is minimum price to buy a game too

@@cairomiravity what? no not all games are at thos prices i love farming games and thos are usely 25$ or 35

I could not play those shitty games for free haha

They would have made way more money lol

Its a bit different tho, you dont wanna skip on content, what you skip in bullshit microtransaction filled games is usually filler grindy boring shit

ea would do that, lol

All I meant to say is the sastisfaction of completing the game wouldnt be as meaningfull if something like that was in the game. I remember when I bought the 1st dark soul in the "used" section in a video game shop. The dude told me this game was hard and its why the person returned it. Came back like 1 week later, told him I made it to game plus+++. Whenever I hear someone tell he beated any dark souls game, I know he is a true try hard gamer and I respect that.

The sad part is that this would still be so much more ethical than what actually is in most of AAA games these days already. First, let's not make it 20$, but make it 2000 "Bright Runes". 2000 Bright Runes actually cost 25$. But wait, you can't buy 2000 Bright Runes, they only come in packs of less, which buys you pretty much nothing, or far more, at a supposed "discount" for the bigger packs. Oh and ofc there are barely any skins to earn ingame, and most of the ones that are there, are just slight alterations and recolours - if you actually want to look cool and have visual progression throughout the game, you have to buy that too, with much higher quality and fidelity skins constantly advertised in the Store, with a distracting blinking/glowing icon with every new addition until you click into the store to see them - so might as well get the bigger packs, right? And ofc stuff like Sacrificial Twigs to not lose Runes on death are on the store instead of just available ingame, for the benefit of the customer ofc - not everybody can and wants to regrind Runes lost on potential deaths after all. And ofc all the Bell Bearings and the Twin Maiden Husk Vendor? That's all in the cash shop, and more. /E: My bad, I forgot to add the game costs 70 bucks now, which is 100$ if you want to play the game on it's actual release date through a "Deluxe" Edition, otherwise you have to wait and go on an internet blackout or get spoiled. Oh and there is the 10+$ Battlepass. And the 30+$ Expansions. And the 15+$ Season Pass for all the DLC. Enjoy the game! Devs have to eat after all you monster, and this game would have been impossible to make without these MTX. Our CEO certainly didn't get a multi million dollar bonus while firing half the company workers after the record profits.

Best part? the next "usable" but cheaper thing cost $20, so even a purchase of $15 of Vbucks isn't enough (you are just short by $2); better go next tier of $25, but then you are left $8... let's add another $15 next so i can pay for that $20 Special Bundle, right? Oh wait? The next tier to $25 is $50? and it's special offer gives an extra +$5 for a great total of $55 Vbucks? OMG! What a coincidence. Better get used to pay AT MINIMUM $50 per month so I don't "miss" anything, I'm right fellas?

​​@@MalekitGJ50 USD? Why not just go for the 99.99 pack saying it's "Best Value" with a free extra more of the currency and a + 10x loot chest

As a whale myself yes i fucking HATE secondary currencies. Its one of the reasons I wont play Epic 7. To many currencies for summoning. Fucking stick to one and tickets for free stuff and leave it at that.

@@MalekitGJ and for those people that aren't just buying the super large bundles? You put in a daily store with at least one "cheap" thing to get FOMO for, and which so happens to be at a price that just so happens to *just* be enough to mean you no longer have that "buffer" to buy the next battle pass. Those "cheap" things on MTX stores aren't there to be "cheap and useful". They are designed to drain the leftovers of the paid currency to ensure that you have to overpay again when the next "big thing" releases.

@@yohasan308yeah I quit epic 7 because it’s impossible to get a character you want without spending an insane amt of money which I don’t have lmao, and the fact that currency is more expensive than many better made gacha games

Think they call those NFTs

@@gigaclowni was about to say that. Bingo!

Bidding on your own item to artificially drive up its price and perceived desirability.. Sounds like Apex skins

The U.S. justice system is paid to win. The more you spend the higher chance you'll win. Gacha is the same.

And that $14k isn't always in a short period of time. If you play one game for 5 years and spend $14k that'd amount to $54 per week. If you're struggling pay check to pay check then yeah, $50 at the end of the week would be a massive deal to have in the pocket. But if you're able to comfortably pay all your bills then $50 isn't much to be parting with.

It's funny that a whale would make fun of someone for spending time on a game lol

​@@tomfoolery7797 Yeah, depends on the game though. Some mobile games can get extremely time consuming and grindy without microtransactions.

And I make fun of all of them for wasting time making fun of each other

​@@KHarrowJPyeah that's by design. A good game is not ultra Grindy with MTX to take that grind away. A game with both those features is artificially funneling their purchases and is therefore shit.

@@tomfoolery7797 And it's equally as funny grindy losers like myself would make fun of a whale for spending their money on a game. They used their time to make more money than me, and then spent money on the game. Either way, we both wasted time (and potential money/productivity) on a video game. So it is what it is, I'll enjoy my time my way and let them enjoy their time their way. Time's more valuable than anything else we have anyways.

It wasnt on this scale. But as a kid i would go to a local arcade. Some games always had the same people playing them all day long. Arcade owners treated these people like royalty.

Gambling was 100% a thing. The difference is in regulation. Kids couldn't sit down and play the slots at the casino like they can with the gacha games.

​@kragor420 You'd still spend less playing arcade games all day than you would for a night at the bar, so it's not really the same. You get the benefits of actually going out and socializing, unlike gatcha games. I've spent $200+ on whole days at the arcade and never felt like it wasn't worth it, the experience was worth far more than any microtransaction. That's the real reason these whales look like complete idiots, they're just funding their own antisocial behavior and emotional dependency. They have all that money and they can't even avoid being manipulated into a miserable lifestyle.

You damn right

My dad was addicted to arcade Mario in the 80s 😅

if without pradatory system the game dies, its not a good game to begin with.

Where do you live where you can just find and sell mushrooms? 😂

Wild mushrooms can be easily poisonous and they look like the edible ones. Hopefully you never picked a wrong one.

​@@nazume9 Yeah I suppose this would be true for people that start to learn collecting. The kind of mushroom that people tend to sell are very easy to identify though (penny bun and bolete in my case to be specific.)

Nice that you found something! Keep save and if you ever eat or process a mushroom you don't now, keep some of it. If it was a poisonous shroom, you better have some left to give it to the EMS so they know how to treat you.

@@nazume9 there are extensive books specifically for this

That’s a classic term for people who always cried about other people who had more money than them. I love that it fits so perfectly here. Bunch of a weirdos making endless videos crying about people with more money than them

​@@kuntakentay6969found whale lmao

​@@kuntakentay6969And youre hurt by them

@@kuntakentay6969 One must find a way to take their mind off the harpoon in their side, it would seem.

@@kuntakentay6969 The issue is that, and what most whales can't recognize, is that even if you're wealthy and have the money - That doesn't make a bad spending habit any less bad. It's still dumb, and it still hurts yourself and other people. It doesn't make it any less of a gambling addiction. It goes further than that, though, since people in this category always assume that other people have similar spending habits, just on... something else. But that isn't true. Most people aren't going out drinking to a bar/club. Most people aren't eating out regularly. Most people don't have hobbies they dump money into. Most people aren't doing drugs. Most people aren't paying for fap material. It's always a tiny percentage of people. Hell, most of us aren't even paying for streaming services for entertainment, or even paying the full $60-70 dollars for games. We're waiting for sales, watching things for free, and at best sharing/splitting accounts with other people. The problem isn't that you have the money. It's the problem that you can't accept that you're not the norm. It's the inherent selfishness of brushing off the fact that your actions hurt *most* people that don't fall into your small demographic. Birth RNG skews towards poverty, that's by design.

U in Holland?

​@@ZaaggastkichAmerica. According to the law here "loot boxes" aren't gambling via technicality.

​@@jojogodtierThat is only because for some reason companies are allowed to lobby the government

Hopefully they’ll see the problem after their kids max out their credit cards on loot boxes.

I hope in 5 years they are illegal anywhere in the world or 18+ only and mainstream app stores won't accept them. Laws are slow to catch up with the fast paced internet world.

And that's how it should be. You spend money on one thing, master it, then move onto the next. At no point is your home fully complete to where you never purchase anything for it again as long as you live in it. At no point do you ever purchase different meals at the restaurant you usually get one or two things at. See how stupid those last two sentences are? You don't spend on one thing and expect it to satisfy your life. You move on and spend on another and another. It's called living. Invest and dedicate to one thing after another so long as you're satisfied.

​@@icraigs9438thats just mindless consumerism

and theres so many better places to spend that money

@@moedark4390 where to spend money is a matter of opinion. The next meal you're going to eat.. It would be more beneficial if you sent it to a poor location. Will you? Hell no. Because it's your food and your money.

@@icraigs9438 Except video games are supposed to be entertainment, not an investment, The goal isn't to finish as many games as possible as fast as possible, it is to actually play the game and enjoy it. What a ridiculous comment.

That's still more than a full AAA games price on a single skin

Did you take the time to crunch the numbers of a hypothetical? When I say I skin you like it might be multiple skins at one time. Why did you take my comment ultra literally? No skin costs 60+ dollars but a skin might be 5-20 dollars depending on the game. If you don't like those prices then don't buy it. It is literally a cosmetic that has no impact on gameplay. @@are3287

​@@are3287idk if i played a sht Triple A game once and never again i'm getting more of my money's worth on that skin that i get to play for more hours than the triple A game you're talking about

​@@are3287if one is to spend more than standard price for full game, the game is NOT worth playing, because at that point its an "investment" and it's WAAY harder to rationalize out once in this mindset

I admire your perception, but what will these items do for your life? Will they sustain or improve upon your life overall?

You just ignore indie developers. That experience never went away all you did was hyper fixate on large companies.

@@badger_ninja8681 I do play some Indie games but I am probably over focusing on big releases. Still it shouldn't be just Indie games.

@@clinton4161 it's not it's also the AA industry

@@clinton4161 indies are also not as restricted as they were even 5 years ago.

It's not all terrible in the AAA scene either, we've had some great releases in the past few years like elden ring, god of war, baldur's gate, tears of the kingdom etc. that are all complete, amazing packages. Lots of the industry is giving into this P2W crap but as long as we show there's a market for great games and support them with our dollar, I think they will continue to be made.

Exactly what I hate the most about those in game currency, now I know how that works cause I'm 21 but when I was younger playing LoL and rarely buying a skin, I would hate seeing the left over money and always wanted to get a thing with what I had left, but nope you'll need to buy more if you want something, and you'll still have left over ingame money, it's a really bad thing

@@cczsus6513 I never bought a second skin for a character too (I think I bought champion on LoL because I was young and thought it was too long to farm) but like seeing some leftover Riot Point felt strange, I just think it's wrong having an in game currency that entice you to spend more and more instead of just showing the price in your local currency

Well, just but 6 of the 100 tokens one and buy the item 5 times 😂

Underrated commentary.

Well thats just human nature in a nutshell, its a never-ending loop of mankind

greed is the most dangerous human condition. it is why everyone becomes corrupt when they have money and power.

"How dare you entitled people call billion dollar companies greedy for their microtransactions!! They need money to survive!!" Literally seen whales say this stupid shit,they act like we just feed ourselves air and sunshine SMFH

Average EFT player above the age of 25. You have no idea how many negligent "fathers" I have encountered in the official EFT discord, who will legit ignore and/or get irritated at their own wife and children over the mic for trying to talk to them. And people wonder how the idea of the "toxic male gamer" came about and became weaponized by "Progressives"... I hate the "woke" mentality that all gamers are "toxic males" as much as everyone, because it _is_ mostly false. However, the shooter and "live service" genres are the exceptions that are filled with those kinds of scumbags. Stereotypes always have a _speck_ of truth to them - is it why they are stereotypes in the first place. Most of the gamers who grew up playing games in the golden age of the '90s and 2000s don't understand this problem with modern playerbases, because they grew up in environments where "toxic" people were just trolls and joksters who _everyone_ knew were not to be taken seriously. They are too old now to see how bad the communities of shooters and "live service" games actually are today, and/or are too blinded by their nostalgia of the past to acknowledge it. A lot of people these days are the kinds of parents that _shouldn't_ be parents, and for some reason these jackasses congregate the most within the shooter and "live-service" spaces.

the high school mentality is just basic human existence, its when things get hard that people tend to rise above the pettiness of humanity in order to survive but once society rests on a comfortable balcony, the 'high school mentality' rises to the surface once again.

epic response, I really like/agree with this.@@Shiirow

To someone like me, who never cared about fitting in this comment looks like absolute bs. If you care about fitting in that much then I pity you. You know that no one can compel you to play a game with basically unethical business practices, don't you? All you have to do when you see a gacha game or p2w game is just don't play it, that's how you win.

I actually find it interesting when people claim that they dont care about fitting in or what people think about them. You are part of the very small percentage if you actually think and live that way. @@TearThatRedFlagDown

@@CocaCoca44 What's interesting about that? We're watching Asmongold, I'd say that he's like that. Well, it's not like I claimed to be a majority, the people around me pretty much prove to me that people like myself aren't very common. But for me it's genuinely hard to imagine actually caring about what people think of me or worrying about fitting in. Maybe I'm just an autist.

Not every whale is rich.

@@DIsturbios1234that’s the extra sad part lol

You can also play casinos really easy that way if you're not loaded with money, just be in a good suit and walk up to an ATM and take out a good portion of money(that you won't even use) and most times you're instantly targeted for comps

4k a month is free to play lol.

Anytime 🐳

Well time hunt a new type of whale to extinction.

Look who's broke! 😂

@@jtjames79 I have a fuckton of expendable income, but I'm not gonna waste it on useless cosmetics or garbage pay to win games, no. I'd rather spend that money on getting a collection of GOOD games together, games with the plague and lack of quality design that are microtransactions.

@@megaman37456 Grab the harpoons!

I don't think they want to invest time to make anything.

Better : Put it in the lootboxes

They already are. Tf2's bot hosters went down for a few weeks because the cathook dev was struggling irl and wanted money to keep updating. That's right, fools are paying money to host virtual machines on foreign servers 24/7, and paying another developer to make their bots, just to have a virtual shark patrolling public games to ruin people's matches. Evil whales.

World of tanks has been selling "premium ammo" for over a decade by now.

​@@adahepper2665that hasn't cost gold in years. I'd focus more on their loot boxes

That is literally the Japanese Gachapon machine that gacha games emulated into browser games and MMOs in the 2000s.

There also used to be bags of chips you could buy which had "rare" cards in them and kids would bring them to school and show them off. TV adverts sold us about how rare these cards were and even the crisps advertised themselves in a way that every packet had a card which could potentially be rare. The rarest one was the mascot of the brand, a crocodile ninja with a battle staff. I would often buy these chips just so I could show off rare cards in school for attention and validation even though I didn't like the actual chips themselves. One time a kid had the rarest card and he showed it to me and I couldn't believe that the rarest card actually existed.

@@zekun4741 my country once had bag of chips with real money inside oddly enough didnt hear about any scandal probably cuz people didnt believe that shit

They're $1 now, but you're right.

@@raynorreynolds8121 damn kids need to be rich to afford those pulls

This is about to change though. More and more we're seeing gambling laws actually target video games.

I think Genshin has that, and I would assume Honkai too since it's the same company Likely obliged by law, I'm not sure though

@@Psycorde Rates are to be available by law in some european countries. Making it extra easy to read is on the dev though.

😂 coc the only mobile game thats manged to get money out of me. That gold pass imo worth it.

And its f2p too.

The old Pareto principle (80/20 rule).

...or just "Windfall Tax" anything above that amount instead of enacting Prohibition on it ...use the money to rebuild our collapsing western society

and one of those pokemon side games (picross maybe) once you had spent 40 bucks worth cumulative on microtransactions it just unlocked everything in the store permanently as you had essentially paid the price of a full game.

I actually think there should be some kind of law in place that prevents games from having the ability to charge that much to begin with. There is no reason it should cost $1000+ to get everything within a game in the first place. If you've reached the point where you implement a monthly spending limit, you should really take a look at how you've developed your transaction system.

@@lo4trIt’s there for the 1/10th of a percent of people who will actually click it. The games are developed with those players in mind specifically, and then they model the f2p model around the paid system so that playing for free takes forever, and paying will take away arbitrary cooldowns or farming paths.

My only issue is minors shouldn't be allowed to gamble, it doesn't matter if there is a limit this should not be on a kids game. If an adult wanna spend 300k on a game that's their problem, it's still dumb but it's their problem.

At the same time, if he's illiterate he should just say that.

Should reword as "if you're broke, don't play". 🐋 Biggest reason I dodge Gacha like the plague. As I'm forever hit with the temple of can't, right there.

What's funny is that most whales end up broke.

I stopped playing Raid a while ago, but my whale killer PVP team is still in Gold 5 because my comp isn’t common and the whales don’t know what to do. I logged on the other day and had 28 wins against the same whale in a 10 min period. I can only imagine how pissed he was to lose to a FTP rare and epic team, to his multiple $10k + teams. So, satisfying.

@@lordchaa1598 On Fire Emblem Heroes you can see the absolute desperation in the person way to try so hard to salvage a critical mistake(like losing a queen in chess). One time the "whale" was literally playing like his life was on the line. What used to be a 2min fight became 10min of careful thinking every move. With not a single commitment. Only trying to bait me in making a mistake myself. But I am not dumb, and I can tell you I was overly motivated to hold on till the very end to this sweet opportunity to win against On of the most disgusting team I have ever seen. These people are disgusting. And trust me, on Fire Emblem Heroes you can clearly estimate how much money they have invested in their ridiculous teams of dozens of multiple merges for each characters and skill slots(per characters). It's truly disgusting. That one made my day(among a few others) . It's definitely one of the most pathetic thing to witness.

at least they support the devs lmao@@KSpartan

Well most of the time whales are trash, that’s why they need to throw money at the game to gain an unfair advantage over others.

@@DJezdic Of course, but the one from my example definitely knew what he was doing. And that probably why he fought so hard to salvage his blunder. And I figured i absolutely needed to secure the win. Like I said, we can see when someone actually knows how to play, whale or not. I could barely win because of one mistake he made. Otherwise it was unwinnable. But yeah, most of them are usually trash.

i do have a problem, i have had it for YEARS, yet i still do this kind of crap, i know its bad.. i still do it. why? how can i stop myself... i have free money, i just throw it away like a pethedic simp...terrible but thats what i do... games got me in bad, over 20 years noone really stopped me so i just keep doing it. throw a few grand at a game day one cause i think its cool then never play it again...done that many times... stupid but why i stil doing it? i dunno... my brain is fukd up... i do ned help but i cant get help......

@@CCCPWarHammer How do you have the money to do that?

​@CCCPWarHammer it might help if you find a way to distract yourself. Find something you enjoy even more than gachas. For me I got into an mmorpg, now I've been so hooked I don't even touch gacha anymore. I don't really play any new games much either. Did I just replace one addiction for another? Sure. But it's much less expensive

Yep, that is why no governments around the world regulate gambling. Oh wait...

@@BubbleTea033 By.. working, as everyone else does.

what games are you referring to?

@@Edigor100I can't specify even though I don't work there anymore; it's still proprietary information that I had partial access into (from the game designers) since I was developping the monetization features on UI, Online and Tools side I also remember charts describing the monetization in one of the game saying people spends a couple of dollar in average but it was really surprising: most spending put a few dollars but a few spends thousands and above and they completely mess up the stats and justify putting those features in games...

Phone or mobile gamers aren't more casual. People go nuts buying stuff in mobile games which are all built solely around micro transactions. They are much worse compared to console or computer games. Freemium games are made specifically to be more addicting and people can play anywhere and at anytime.

@@moshunit96 what you said is true. I meant to highlight that hardcore gamers that traditionally play PC/Consoles also spends a whole lot. And they also have different habits than those who play phone games that are specifically tailored to casual audience. Not all phone games :) (nor all freemiums either even though those are usually the ones with the most aggressive monetization)

normally i'd say 1h=$1 but most pay once games have barely a 15h campaign

So.. what you're saying is the consumers create the market. The fault here is on the consumers. So long as there is demand, why the heck wouldn't a developer somewhere attempt to meet that demand? If you find a knife somewhere and use it to kill something/someone, do you just blame the creator of the knife because if it hadn't have been there, you wouldn't have used it? Do you blame the Tide company for people eating their pods? When do you place ownership on the consumer for being a literal idiot?

As long as there are ex-meth addicts who dont know what to do with their money after "recovery"

I think a big thing people overlook is the whales who spend and arent necessarily online or try and defend themselves. I personally know a person whos spent well over 100k on genshin impact. And they honestly will tell you they think genshin should be game of the year. A lot of these games are great at having people form an emotional connection with them and through that connection they abuse it in order to get people to feel justified in spending money. Now not that there is anything immediatley wrong with that sort of idea but the issue with that is that nearly all the games that try and use people emotional connection with them to justify their continued spending do so in a manipulative manner and also dont funnel that money into development. There is no universe in which genshin has spent more than 1/3 the money they have made on developing their world and its interactibility. Back to the prior point, these people dont really look at it as how much they have spent overall. For alot of them they are blind to their prior purchases, so 2k here on this banner feels alright to them (even for those who its a significant purchase for). And when it all adds up very rarely will they regret it. Many of these people like the one i know personally also arent very in touch with the gaming community (in the case of the one person I know they basically only watch cute animal videos, dramas, and genshin hype content on youtube) so they dont consider the fact that their purchases are having a negative impact on the overall gaming community. And often they dont really think critically either so they arent really able to see the dangers of gambling based monetization models. Anyway this probably reads awfull and wont be seen by anyone but those are my sleep deprived 2 cents

And this, to a smaller degree, is what the issue with modern society is. Nobody cares about the general wellbeing of your own """"ecosystem""""/community anymore. As long as you're doing good as individual, fuck everyone else. Just because everybody does it anyways, doesn't make an excuse for you to "whale" on a game, ESPECIALLY when you recognize that it's made that way to prey on people. It's thanks to people like you that gaming got where it is today. It's thanks to the "oh well, it's gonna happen anyways" crowd that we are where we're at. I do agree it's probably too late now so fuck it, let's all go down the shitter, but this didn't happen overnight.

I do want you to understand that we as consumers tried to fight this. Way back when Horse Armor in a game was considered too far. That was 2006. We fought against these practices for YEARS. Totalbiscuit was a symbol for Pro-consumer vibes. ...and they waited us out. It took them over a decade, but they beat us. They waited us out. Why push against the wall of the 90s video game crowd when you can just wait for the gacha games of the 2000s to become the norm? When DLCS, paying for cosmetics, and so many more things are now the norm? Hell, they have a presentation about HUNTING FOR WHALES. We aren't even seen as people anymore, we are an animal! I want you to imagine a war that goes on for decades. Not that hard to visualize honestly. We the "bad video game practices" on one side. On the other side is the "Corporations wanting us to accept bad video game practices". They attacked our minds, our bodies, our friends. They targeted Peer Pressure, Fear of Missing Out, and so many other concepts. We now live in a world where CHILDREN can wrack up thousands of dollars on a credit card accidentally. Doesn't matter if you think it is the fault of the parent, before this point the Parent could at least visualize and stop their children from doing that. Because the concept of purchasing something for a child was always physical. What is a person supposed to do against Billions of dollars and Thousands of people? Corporations that can throw mountains of resources, manpower, and time to entice a child/adult to make a purchase in a video game they already purchased? How do you put up a shield to that level of attack?

The problem is that our government is made up of people who don't know how to use a computer, so none of this makes any sense to them. Also no, I'm not just talking about the politicians, have you seen the websites?

Theyve been getting lobbied for a while now ever since the game industry transformed into the passionless corrupt profit pursuiant that it is. So it won't happen especially since gambling in games(and any game issues in general) will all become unimportant compared to the destruction and economic devestation that will sadly be soon unleashed upon humanity and our froobcake planet. That's not mentioning the natural(natural & "natural") disasters also coming within this decade.

@@TomasVorik-qz2lw actually it's depending on what they're going after and how. For some of the things such as Tapjoy not providing promised rewards or not clearly stating the terms for getting the rewards. Or with Fortnite and the deceptive way they had players unwillingly make purchases due to the icon for making the purchase being obscured and difficult to see ( not exactly sure what or how this looked like since I never played Fortnite. Netease has already had to deal with the SEC at least twice over the years one being the falsification of actual earnings they submitted one year while the other involved all companies based in China that are in the NYSE. Which involved then being required to submit all financial records for the SEC to go over, which in the past the companies used china's national secrets as a cause for avoiding this and that such investigation will compromise them. I'm not 100% sure the outcome but it seems like they had an independent third party US company go over their books as a compromise. Other companies abandoned the NYSE and started looking into Hong Kong stock exchange. These 2 regarding Fortnite and Tapjoy were a success. It's more been in going after companies for certain anti trust violations or what could lead to such violations. For instance no violation had been done by Microsoft regarding Activision Blizzard. It was the concern or fear of such violations being done by Microsoft owning the company.. One being that the games are exclusive to Microsoft consoles and other products. Long before this, the FTC only has a history of 25% success rate regarding these antitrust cases involving a larger company taking over smaller companies. Even though Netease is doing the same thing, as far as I know they're not under investigation for it. There's other anti competition/antitrust laws that are a bit easier to prosecute which the ones harmed by the violations can be awarded triple in damages from a lawsuit if they win. Such violations being various scams such as bait and switch scene, failing to provide all promised rewards for winning promotional contests (such as the monopoly game that McDonald's did), price gouy and price fixing to prevent competition or to over price goods of low quality, hidden fees being charged for some products are considered a violation of these laws, and in making contracts for exclusive rights to the materials or products of one company or industry in shutting off access to competitors falls under this too. False advertising I believe also falls under this but I could be wrong this. As for the situation regarding loot boxes, it's a certain senator, forgot who, had been bugging the FTC the past number of years to look into them. I believe it's only just recently they actually started doing it.

@@TomasVorik-qz2lw as for gambling in games, it depends on the circumstances. There's definitely going to be something done if it involves in game currency or other items being sold through RMT if the game has gambling mechanics. That's why many of these games claim to have rules regarding RMT between players involving the game and banning some. However even these companies, Netease included will ignore these violations being done by certain players. This also goes beyond the RMT violations but even if it's reported with video evidence of botting behavior or the use of an exploit. Either of which has had players being banned for doing the same thing. Instead the devs have ignored the reports on these players. There's also the issue of these gambling mechanics being accessible ito not just children but in some games designed for kids to play. This was brought up after a number of complaints by parents regarding how easily their kids were able to make purchases in these games and the large amounts being spent on the purchase. In this circumference they're looking at requiring additional label for games that involves microtransactions in warning parents that the game has this mechanic or gambling like mechanic in loot boxes. While also banning such mechanics from games designed for minors. Both of which I believe would have a high chance to be put in effect in the near future. It's more of the loot boxes involving structures adults that would be the most problematic. However in part there's certain things that were not brought up which is only partially caused by the monetization and loot boxes but I personally feel that with the current state of the industry and the way it's going currently. Has a high risk of another crash similar to what occurred in 83. Circumstances maybe very different than back then but the end results of various key factors are showing some presence. Lack of trust in the quality of the games being published is a big one, heavy saturation of the market especially with so many clones of games being made and even more esse in putting them on the market with online stores than back in 83. Even the consoles have loosened up on the requirements for a game being launched on their systems;when working at Activision as QA tester. Some of the tests done were from a list of what was required for games to pass when tested by console companies. who charged thousands of dollars for each time a gais tested and the reason why they had us running the testsfirst to which it had to pass before being submitted to consoles. I had to do these tests once and it's a very long list of multiple pages which includes the button functions on controllers for in-game menu such as X to select and circle to cancel or go back for playstation consoles are a requirement if I'm correct. In games being released for consoles that are heavily buggdd or even incomplete/non functional upon release. After years of such companies as Nintendo being very big on the quality of the games for their systems. It's not just the devs and publishers at risk of losing the public's trust but the consoles themselves. Especially with Nintendo who set a lot of these standards with the NES which was a key part iin saving the industry 2 years after the crash.

Won't happen. The U.S. has the worst consumer protections in the developed world for a reason. Politicians and bureaucrats are entirely subservient to the entities they're supposed to be regulating.

​​@@iron1204I've played it many years ago. It's a lot. If he is talking about the real money rubies, I think I have accumulated like one or two thousand without spending anything. I am not 100% sure, it was like 10 years ago

all i had to see was a single person being able to perform to the same level as team of 65 dedicated people. Do you really need a currency to see that's stupid? @@iron1204

Just buy the sun

@@ertai222 it wasnt for sale :(

dont mind him whaling since it's his money, but diablo immortal of all things?! what a waste of money on a trash game

@@ertai222 That would be two nonillion two hundred thirty-seven octillion sixty-two septillion five hundred sextillion dollars, at current market prices for hydrogen. So, you basically need all the money in the world multiplied by five quadrillions. But then you can charge earth around twelve trillion dollars per second for the power usage, so you'll make your money back in 6 billion years.

To be fair, he won Diablo Immortal. Noone could be matched with him. He won the game.

prob botting

you cant escape. why even try. u stuck where you are... forever

This is why I love, cynically. As whales suck the fortunes of both rich and poor alike. ... though being a poor whale, must suck as hard as being a poor drug addict.