The Genetic Heritage Of The Death Eagles - 40K Theories 

sons of phoenix chapter out there too

Interesting

Mourning

Regal referring to purple is what my mind goes to when I read that. Your interpretation?

Don't forget that brave captain that led the rag-tag band of loyalists that gave their traitorous brothers fits on Istvaan III, Saul Tarvitz, Capt, 10th Company, Emperor's Children.

Praise, perhaps, but let's not act like a son rebelling against his father isn't one of the most human stories imaginable.

Ancient Rylanor, that magnificent son of a bitch, comes to mind...

@@MishraArtificer Don't forget Captain Saul Tarvitz of 10th Company.

while being genetically engineered into following and obeying your primarch thats the most impressive thing imo

Imagine That Fulgrims clone returns and Becomes their Primarch again.

They do

Imagine if they had found Rylanor first.

@@Triumph263 Rylanor would have congratulated them for staying loyal, given a final lecture, before sending them on their way. Rylanor had one mission: KILL DADDY!

Rylanor is space dust

@@Dogue83 ;( Too soon.

More like the True Emperor's Chicken

Glad you approve. A link to your artstation account is also included within the video description :)

That’s some damn fine art you made there, sir.

That looks really great......

Quite the wholesome artwork, surprisingly.

I feel like the Inquisition would push for creating chapters with traitor legion geneseed just so they can effectively blackmail them into doing what they say; and quite a few chapters that work closely with the Inquisition are rumored to be traitor legion loyalists.

How about making a chapter called the "Angels of Blood"? After all, there exists a chapter called the Scythes of the Emperor, and another completely unrelated chapter called the Emperor's Scythes.

Id figure the Silver Skulls are more obvious. Considering they look the same and fight the same as the Iron Warriors.

The Blood Ravens and Carcharodons are also very obvious.

Blood Ravens are likely Word Bearers actually

@@gryphonofmight More evidence to suggest Thousand Sons. Lots of Psykers, there was the Covidae cult, hints at their primogenitor legion wearing red, and that psyker woman saying "The ravens seek knowledge but its denied to them." The Magpies aren't doggedly religious or psychotically stubborn. What's your argument for Lorgar's chiorboys?

@@professorsponge1554 here are a lot of strange similarities between the Word Bearers and Blood Ravens. they would share with Lorgar's zealous pursuit of knowledge, even if the truth of what they find destroys them. Could they be the remnants of the chapter of word bearers known as the void perhaps, as the Chapter of the Void was the smallest and least respected and they used the psychic might of the Word Bearers and were isolated among the Word Bearers, explaining why they may not have turned traitor and why the blood ravens have so many librarians. The chapter of the void was also known for developing weapons, technology and tactics and could be tied to how the Blood Ravens operate and how they collect relics. Lastly, in some of the books, we learn some of the Blood raven's sayings originated on Colchis, and thats not getting into how Cyrene and Aurelia, share similar names to two characters important to the word bearers Cyrene Valantion and of course Lorgar Aurelian.

Minotaurs are a hybrid of Iron Warriors and World Eaters

@@gryphonofmight I feel that this is a tentative connection. While possible, the evidence stacks more in favor of the thousand sons. Their symbol, colors, veneration of knowledge, psychic powers manifesting in non psykers, and even the possibility of Janus having a hand in found the chapter... it just seems more plausible for the magpies to be some of Magnus's nerdy bois.

Heretic!

If only such sanity prevailed throughout the Imperium.

"Science did not failt, their primarchs did."

Guilliman was right not to allow such chapters to be created. If such information became well known it could lead to their persecution by other loyalists, and potentially damage his credibility. As well as that primarchs have a preternatural ability to command respect and deference from their Gene sons. Even after Istvan Horus damn near tempted Loken back into the legion. Based off the figures from Istvan III, 2/3 of SMs would choose their gene father over the emperor

Might do in future.

Storm Wardens

The original red and yellow Minotaurs were likely World Eaters. They've apparently been replaced by the Bronze Iron Warrior Minotaurs, but it's not like it's impossible for the members of the mustard and ketchup version to still be running around.

Blood Ravens are either ultra marines or word bearers

40kTheories has a video on this: the Blood Ravens CAN'T be Thousand Sons Successors, as they aren't affected by the Rubric of Ahriman.

@@MishraArtificer they turned against their traitor father Lorgar

@Imperial fist Librarian only 20,000?! For a Legion that is insane. I can’t believe they would have so few troops. Fucking Lorgar has somewhere around 100,000 for mostly twiddling this thumbs and trying to convert people.

@Imperial fist Librarian yeah I know, but having those numbers around the start of the heresy. It still blows my mind.

I think that would make it a little too obvious :P as well as raise a few eyebrows (amongst the imperials).

@@91rumpnisse who cares, they are still loyal to the Emperor, who cares if they have traitorous genes

@@creepmen1867 The Inquisition, The Ecclesiarchy, quite few other chapters. Look at what has happened to the Lamenters for just *being rumored* to have cursed geneseed. It sucks but a significant portion of the Imperium's military strength would either refuse to fight alongside them or outright attack them. There's a reason there are no chapters officially made from traitor legion geneseed, just quite a few one with quite a few hints. The Dark Angels have made it their greatest mission to cover up the Fallen partially because what would happen to them if the truth were to come out; even they would be at risk.

@@Triumph263 point made

The sonic weapons were created by a known traitor who used plans from she who thirsts. It would be highly heretical to use them.

They are called lost legions for a reason. Its supposed to be ambiguous.

@@garretth8224 its just a marketing note that they never touched on to much aside from putting the point they dont wana do anything with it. Look at it this way, with the new glasshole in the galaxy that has time warping effects couldnt they touch on it and make a 3 set series novel wise, say one 3 for both, and at least let us know about there erasure from history. 40k has bein around a long time and to be honest need to get straight the lore better and fill in some of the many holes.

It made sense back in the early days of the game because they were proto-BYO. Now there's so many sucessor chapters to do that and you can't claim your chapter is a descendant, they should cover the actual events.

They're called the same, chill

From what I recall, according to the Badab War Imperial Armour books the "Bronze" coloured Minotaurs are implied to be the 21st Founding incarnation, whilst the more... colourful variant here is commonly regarded to be the M32 founding incarnation.

@@40KTheories out of curiosity, what are your opinions about the Moloc Minotaurs and the M32 Minotaurs?

I was honestly happy that the Moloc Minotaurs got some story focus in the second Watchers of the Throne novel

@@40KTheories and another novel I should pick up and read

Hugs for everyone!

Nothing really to say they couldn't be, just more of a lack of evidence to say that they could be more than anything else.

Where's that from out of curiosity? Because the 2nd edition Horus Heresy rulebook says the 3rd Legion had no other name prior to that of "The Emperor's Children" (same in HH1 - Betrayal). Are you sure you aren't misremembering the one chapter of the 3rd Legion that had the name (which is indeed mentioned in the video)?

Preposterous

Heresy

You could say that about every chapter whose primogenitor is unknown. In this case it could simply be that the Mechanicus doesn't check where it comes from, only whether or not it's both pure and stable.

@@40KTheories What benchmark of purity is being used? Presumably a Magos Biologis wouldn’t test Angels Encarmine geneseed against an Iron Hands benchmark. Either the Mechanicus doesn’t check, in which case how did they determine which genetic reference to use, or they do, in which case the parent Legion is known to the Mechanicus just not the wider Imperium. If a Chapter really doesn’t know their ancestry it’s because they don’t want to know. This implies to me that the Mechanicus either knowingly doesn’t out loyalist chapters with traitor geneseed or such chapters simply don’t exist.

In this instance it's more a case of Forge World making the connection :P