Last year Giannis became the first 30ppg+ scorer on a team with the best record in the entire league not to win MVP. He was robbed of his third MVP last year. Like Shaq said, the criteria for MVP changes every year to fit certain narratives. Regardless, great video, despite all the struggles in the bucks this season, from coaches to players, Giannis has been the only bright spot in the team. Being the most consistent, putting up the first ever 30ppg on 60+%FG in the history of the league to carry the team in the top 3 of the conference. Definitely deserves MVP nod this year.
Yeah with every year that passes, it seems like the media narrative plays the biggest role in who wins, and even the T.V pundits change their criteria and rating system from year to year, some years it's team wins, others it's individual stats. But yeah it feels like Giannis is underrated in these discussions fr. I mean recently I seem Tatum getting discussed more than him
Funny, the narrative last year was that teams who can't win finals shouldn't get mvps for their players. And then jokic went and dropped the most dominant post season in history.
Anytime two of the top 12 players in the league team up one of the two is going to get hurt in the MVP race. When Steph and kd played together each lost some MVP votes. I think it's only fair that after adding a guard who averaged 32 pts the year prior, Giannis is not regarded as the most valuable player.
Media always looking for new stories. The fact that some people have Doncic third is ridiculous even though Dallas sucks and is hovering in the Play-In. It's like in 2021 when Curry got third over Giannis despite the Warriors being an EIGTH SEED.
@@BestShootermanUbznope, jokic is mvp, they are not giving the mvp to shai just for him to lose to the lakers in the first round, embiid make them fools last year, they are not repeating the same mistake
This is exactly what Giannis meant by “I’m tired of the disrespect” he’s having one of the greatest seasons of his career, putting up insane stat-lines, and gets ignored all because his team is doing bad (or not living up to the standards they were supposed to)and think all these other players have a better narrative. To me he’s still one of the best players that’s on the court, one of the best defensive players to touch the court, and his team is still doing really amazing
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@danielbaratta513 Bucks won only 3 more games than Denver that year. West was just tougher seeding wise. But the record was nearly the same. Blame voters for fatigue.
Giannis is an incredible playmaker and passer. He can pass while sprinting. Pass through numerous defenders. His passing ability is a sight to see. Go watch some highlights
@@elizaschaeffer34 I agree with you. And he keeps improving year after year. Though to my point, there's a big gap between his playmaking and Jokic's playmaking. And his style, even though I love watching it and requires a lot of skill to be able to finish as he does, is more oriented bully ball, using his strength and speed to overwhelm defenses. Which is not as Jokic, which looks like defense manipulation, and using what opens up. I honestly just love watching beautiful basketball in many different forms and enjoy a lot of players. I do think the voters have a bias for Jokic. Maybe because it looks maybe more relatable to them ? Like, Jokic was a fat kid who happens to have a brain for basketball (and he got fit and learned more and more). As for Giannis, if you don't have his physical ability, no way you can replicate that. To your point, Giannis improvement in playmaking is probably overlooked Sorry for the big read
@@emmanuelcoquet6257 so i can tell you don’t watch many bucks games by this statement alone “there’s a big gap between his playmaking and jokics” -there is not. Watch the games. Go and look at passing stats. Giannis creates 18 points a game through playmaking. In addition to his 31. Giannis also creates his own points whereas Jokic plays mainly off of assists. Giannis has reduced bully ball, but can certainly engage with the best when needed. This season he is finishing with more finesse around 3-6 feet out & more post ups. Watch Giannis. It isn’t all bully ball. He has quite a repertoire of highly efficient shots. Giannis has his physical ability because he earned it. Maintaining your body and developing your body to peak physicality is a skill. As Gianni’s has been playing with tendinitis for several games, we’ve seen a lot of what Giannis would look like when he slows down with age. Lots of midrange, post up, some 3s, and tons of facilitating.
Giannis also have the highest EFG% for a 30 point scorer. The second highest is Steph's unanimous mvp season. Also Giannis has outplayed many Mvp contenders this season. And for the "Brook is the anchor on defense" look at the bucks last two games against the suns and the celtics where Giannis sat and how much they struggled defensively.
Giannis has lead The Bucks to have the most regular season wins over the last 5 seasons. I only say that because there was a point where NBA voters went on TV and said they wouldn't give him more MVPS without winning a Finals , I think He was Robbed the year he won the finals because of that narrative , this should have been the make up year but it wont be because he isn't playing for it and he is dealing with an ankle injury that there going to be very careful with .
Amazing video as always, those stats are unreal and you do such a good job putting them into context. However, I completely agree, Jokic and Shai just have better cases this season, and I believe it’s in large part due to the presence of Dame. Even though he’s not having quite as good a season by his standards, he’s just simply a caliber of player that Jokic or Shai don’t have anyone close to
yes it has truly become a narrative award. To be named an MVP is always going to be an honor that shows how the league VIEWED a player but basketball fans are definitely realizing it won't actually mean as much as it did before if there are no criteria guidelines for it.
He literally didn't get the MVP last year purely based on race. This victim crap don't work anymore mate been the opposite for about ten years now, man TF up 😂
@@twuandixon8675voters fatigue exists for Giannis but not him? He almost won 3 straight last year. When he wins his 3rd this year, will voters fatigue exists for him next season or it only applies to Giannis? Hence why I say Jokic is kissed in the race
Among all of these things. The most under appreciated thing about his game his his gravity. I mean only Steph curry the words greatest shooter brings more attentions to him. None of these other guys have gravity like Giannis
Giannis and Jokic are already two of the best players to ever play (Top 30 at worst) and they're still in their prime. The list of guys who've won 2 MVPs is only 15 players. If you include the Finals and Finals MVP it's like 10. And they're both in their prime so SGA being considered in the Top 3 (most have him second) is quite impressive.
the only thing you are lefting out when compairing to earlier years, is the change in rules in NBA that now gives HUGE advantage to shooter as any kind of defense is now considered a "FOUL" SMH
Don't get me wrong, I love Shai and Luka, but ain't no way in hell they should have higher odds than Giannis to win MVP. I don't understand why casuals who don't watch the games get to vote for MVP.
I remember when MVP meant the best player in the league. Why not have an algoprithm with set number of stats parameters and have it select the MVP purely from stats.
Saying giannis doesnt have to do much on defence because he has brook lopez is like saying jokic doesnt have to score as much because he has jamal & mpj 😂 kinda overlooking giannis' defence a little bit imo but tbf you did say hes still the best defender out of the 4
Giannis covers a ton of ground as weakside free-safety. I've seen almost all of the Bucks' games this year, and he is "taking it easy" on some possessions, i.e. he's not sprinting out to the 3pt line as fast as he normally would, he's not going for every single block. He's playing at about 80% on defense and his pick-and-roll defense is still ELITE. There's a reason why teams go after Brook Lopez on the PNR, because he drops low to protect the rim and give up jump shots. Giannis is saving himself for more offense because Lillard has been inefficient, and Middleton has been missing for two months, and besides he and Dame, the Bucks have no one else who's good at creating for themselves. Hence why his assist numbers have been excellent (and efficiency).
I still would consider Luka for MVP, as you can make similar arguments (comparing his pace & stat line vs historic numbers) for him as well. Team success hurts, but even Jokic won MVP leading the 6th seeded team in 2022. At this point, it feels like Luka has set the bar so high for himself, that media & fans just shrug it off. Averaging 34.7 ppg / 9.8 assists / 9.0 rebounds on 62%+ true shooting as PG (and not as a C or someone who gets the majority of buckets underneath the rim) is crazy. Nobody would ever suggest the Mavericks have a roster anywhere as talented as Shai in OKC or Giannis in Milwaukee, yet they still penalize him for not having similar success. All that being said, I'd still put Giannis & Jokic above Luka right now. But if Luka doesn't win MVP this year, I'm not sure he'll ever be able to do enough in the eyes of sports media.
This was just my case for Giannis! I kinda did it in a style where I was steel manning the argument for each video. Check out my Luka video! I bring up a lot of that and agree with you. I do think it’s Luka’s if they get the 5 seed pretty easily tbh.
Jokic only had that narrative he was missing Murray and MPJ all year. Westbrook avg a triple double. Luka has missed Kyrie for a couple of games but still has had his team for most of the year and he’s barely the 8th seed .
Giannis has 60 pt games. couple 50 point games. The definition of consistency. Hard working. Loyal. two way player. Dominant. Exciting scorer. Growing bag/skill set. He's the MVP
I feel like the first argument could be irrelevant since Luka could average a triple so 30-10-10 so it could be better but less effective tho but the TS is actually rly insane
The only reason Giannis isn’t MVP every year is because he plays in Milwaukee and the media set Giannis up to leave and he didn’t and he doesn’t play into their games like jokic,Shai and Embiid btw the fact he has the best offensive stats out of all of them and the best defensive stats out of all of them and has the best clutch percentages is gonna be the biggest robbery we’ve seen in 20 years when we forget about jokic n Giannis has 2 more titles
I've said it before and will say it again, if we go by stats I don't understand how it isn't Jokic or Giannis we are deciding between. I thought the Embiid win last year was stupid. I think the idea that SGA might win it this year is stupid. Giannis and Jokic have never been better and they deserve that recognition. I hope it is a Nuggets vs Bucks final and that way one of them will at least get finals MVP.
The media decided Jokic is the MVP before the season even started. he’s had a great season, but Giannis has been better. Giannis has faced more adversity. Giannis never got the adoration that Jokic is getting.
Giannis is a better rim attacker and shot blocker. Jokic is better at post game, shooting, half court scoring, rebounding, screening, playmaking, passing overall, basketballI IQ, clutchness, floor raising and difficulty to scheme against in a playoff setting. Giannis' transition prowess is always diminished in a playoff half court setting. 2019 they were upset as the 1st seed by the Raptors and outplayed by Kawhi. 2020 They were upset as the 1st seed by the Heat and Giannis was the fourth best player in the series (behind Jimmy, Bam, Kris and arguably also Brook). 2023 They were upset as the 1st seed by the Heat and Giannis was thoroughly outplayed by Jimmy Butler (who averaged 39 pts) whom he refused to guard. In 2021, when they son the championship, the five best teams in the league at full health were out of contention ( Nets, Warriors, Nuggets, Lakers, Clippers). Giannis declared Kd the best player in the world after their game 7 matchup. As it currently stands I have Giannis as a top 3 player in the league but nowhere close to Jokic.
@@jacob1-b9jJust because a certain player is better at specific skills than another does not mean they are better NBA players. Jokic has far and away the better supporting cast. You can’t compare the two because they don’t play in identical situations.
This is a “two horse race” is what media been pushing all season long! When asked why SGA or Jokic over Giannis, they bring up bullshit his coach getting fired. Its been a lock for Jokic for whatever reason.
The NBA chooses new MVP to make fans happy and to make the nba look fresh and new. Who wants the true MVP to win 10 times for example. NBA is a business and is no longer a game, choosing Giannis 4x MVP yearly is boring for the business hence choosing joker and embiid. rightfully Giannis is the best player in this league.
Were in a day and age where we have to reanalyze how we look at the game of basketball itll never be able to be compared to what it used to be football still the same sport relatively similar enough schemes now NBA we went from 90 to 95 final scores to 130 to 120 being a final score with no overtime bench players used to need to score 8 points a night to keep a job now 8 points a night you might not see the court for a few weeks we need 15 points a night from those role players now those stars that drop 25 points that can lead you to a win thats over you need 35+ to will your team to a victory and even then the other team might just jack up so many 3s that you cant win anyway
Buck still fucked up with a coaching they should have stick with their Old Coach like Giannis was injured how was that a coach's fault I'm Denver Nuggets fan I'm glad we have a coach Mike Michael Malone
At this point you can only say Giannis is not the MVP if you have “Giannis fatigue,” but in that case then you should def have “Jokic fatigue” and give it to SGA. If they really give it to the inferior Jokic and let him get 3 before Giannis then that’s just criminal and it’s cus they know he is better than LeBron has ever been but they want to have the “new Jordan” in LeBron so they (the media) can’t allow for Giannis to get the trophies and accolades to make that undeniable.
To a degree I dont get pinning the MVP to team success, I would have Luka for MVP and Giannis second, the Thunder and Denver have some of the best overall rosters in the NBA, Luka has a team full of underachievers currently in 6th seed while putting up monster stats, with Giannis, his defense contributes so much to team success, without him on the floor they are one of the worst teams in the nba defensively, and without him this team would not make it out the first round, I dont see that with the Thunder much less with Denver
Denver have no allstars, barely 1 player in top 20 and 2 barely top 40-50 players hahaha how is that superteam, put any other center on that team and they are perrenial play in team and sometimes 2nd round team. Jokic makes all of them insanely better
Giannis is a limited basketball player. Since you base much of your case on scoring ability then Tatum has a better case. Tatum and the others are three level scorers, Giannis is useless if not in the paint. And he can't make his teammates better. There is no comparison between Giannis and Jokic on that basis alone.
most of what you said is the biggest lies I've heard LMAOOO, giannis makes his teammates DRASTICALLY better. He has the highest open find success pass rate in the NBA and still absorbs the most gravity in the NBA even more than Jokic. He also makes all of his teammates 10x better on defense due to him being the best help defender in the NBA and most versatile defender.
It's all about the narrative. Nothing else. Nuggets season is nowhere near "as good" as seen by most pundits but they won against the Celtics and that's all that matters in terms of narrative.
Nuggets are having a better season than the bucks. They're equal first seed in the tougher conference with many easier matchups yet to come. Almost no chance bucks can beat nuggets in 7.
Giannis doesnt care for MVPs. Hes a philosopher-warrior due to his Greek-Nigerian upbringing. By his logic, to win an MVP and not win the championship means that he has something to show for himself but nothing to show for his team. And he comes from a large family where sharing was very important so selfish actions like winning an MVP without a championship are not his goals. His goal is to win a chip. Winning MVPs like Russ and Harden do with nothing to show for it at the end of the year is selfish. It means you put yourself above your team and Giannis isnt playing that game. He plays to win the last game of the year, because that's what legacies are built on.
@@Charlie-eq3dj I’m good. That’s what the NBA champions are for. I’m not gay-so I’m not gonna type comments about mentalities of champions … Because that would be *gay*
Eye test on D. In the bucks match up with denver they spammed bringing Jokic into pick and rolls over and over to attack him. But the MVP, like the 6th man of the year is all about offense. To have someone who is top 3 in offensive numbers and also be in the conversation for DPOY every year makes him the most valuable basketball player, but yet hes been a distant 3rd or lower on the MVP race past few seasons
@@Peca-sz6yt You do know that is irrelevant to my comment. How is Jokic beating them in their first game related to my comment on his defense and the lack of importance on a players 2 way ability in these awards. Had I said Giannis deserves the award because they beat Denver head to head recently and Giannis was the best player in that match up, you'd have a point.
@@chiefnakoma bro, murray get hurt in that game in milwaukee, jokic still had 29, murray had 3 and he got injured, no one try hard from that moment. So stop your bs
@@Peca-sz6yt MVP award comes before playoffs. Jokic got MVP award before the playoffs...so I could argue that Jokic didn't deserve his MVP because he hadn't proven himself in the playoffs yet? (AGAIN) I only said it because I'm a salty Giannis fan that doesn't want Jokic to pass Giannis in MVP awards. So if anyone besides Jokic gets it...I'll be happy. lmao
There've been only 15 players to win 2 or more MVPs in NBA history. Pettit, Russel, Wilt, Kareem, Moses, Magic, Bird, K. Malone, Jordan, Duncan, Nash, LeBron, Curry, Giannis and Jokic. Trust me it matters. If Jokic and/or Giannis wins one more, they're entering even more exclusive company (8 guys). Handing out MVP trophies as a participation award is terrible. Giannis and Jokic are the two best players alive and in their peak/prime at 29 years old. SGA has been phenomenal this season and the fact that he's in the Top 3 of the race speaks volumes.
Joker is AN AMAZING player, BUT, he still hasn't proven to be (way) better than Embit... or Shaq, Hakim, Dunkan, Robinson, Russel, Wilt, and many more. Maybe, maybe he will be (a looong stretch), but those are just the 'center' types! guards and forwards aside! He is nowhere NEAR the GOAT debate my friend.
