The Giannis MVP Problem, Explained.. 

Not to mention, elite defense as well, unlike other candidates besides SGA

​@@invictatewahedo8595damn..despite all this, it feels like he is underrated in these discussions, atleast in online discourse

Yeah with every year that passes, it seems like the media narrative plays the biggest role in who wins, and even the T.V pundits change their criteria and rating system from year to year, some years it's team wins, others it's individual stats. But yeah it feels like Giannis is underrated in these discussions fr. I mean recently I seem Tatum getting discussed more than him

Funny, the narrative last year was that teams who can't win finals shouldn't get mvps for their players. And then jokic went and dropped the most dominant post season in history.

last year they said it was because his efficiency was down, and now he has a historic fg%, and they completely ignore it. so bias it's unbelievable.

He has a top 75 teammate

@@nikobellic2515 you could say that but giannis is avg 30 11 6 on 61% fg wtf

Giannis doesn’t let the media control him and jokic does 🤣 that’s all it takes to be MVP

Anytime two of the top 12 players in the league team up one of the two is going to get hurt in the MVP race. When Steph and kd played together each lost some MVP votes. I think it's only fair that after adding a guard who averaged 32 pts the year prior, Giannis is not regarded as the most valuable player.

@@johnbarkley925 not even just this season bro

Jokic lost the mvp with 24.5/11/9.8 on 70% true shooting. Voters really don’t care about efficiency

@@cyruswang9354 ngl this season is too stacked lol let's see who win the mvp

he became a primadonna lately. Firing coach and stuff 🤣

Media always looking for new stories. The fact that some people have Doncic third is ridiculous even though Dallas sucks and is hovering in the Play-In. It's like in 2021 when Curry got third over Giannis despite the Warriors being an EIGTH SEED.

You just want him to be drama so you have something to hate. Pure projection. Seek help

Shouldn’t be Jokic, but it will be.

Whoever finishes 1 seed in the west will win it

This

He won’t

​​@@BestShootermanUbznope, jokic is mvp, they are not giving the mvp to shai just for him to lose to the lakers in the first round, embiid make them fools last year, they are not repeating the same mistake

Hahahah cope

@@jasonmaguire7552 how old are you ?

100% agree. Jokic deserved his first one but Giannis should have had the last 2. A 6th seed winning the award is criminal

​@danielbaratta513 Bucks won only 3 more games than Denver that year. West was just tougher seeding wise. But the record was nearly the same. Blame voters for fatigue.

Nope. Not controversial at all. I 100% agree.

I’m thinking the same thing LOL TWICE 🤣🤣🤣

Giannis is an incredible playmaker and passer. He can pass while sprinting. Pass through numerous defenders. His passing ability is a sight to see. Go watch some highlights

@@elizaschaeffer34 I agree with you. And he keeps improving year after year. Though to my point, there's a big gap between his playmaking and Jokic's playmaking. And his style, even though I love watching it and requires a lot of skill to be able to finish as he does, is more oriented bully ball, using his strength and speed to overwhelm defenses. Which is not as Jokic, which looks like defense manipulation, and using what opens up. I honestly just love watching beautiful basketball in many different forms and enjoy a lot of players. I do think the voters have a bias for Jokic. Maybe because it looks maybe more relatable to them ? Like, Jokic was a fat kid who happens to have a brain for basketball (and he got fit and learned more and more). As for Giannis, if you don't have his physical ability, no way you can replicate that. To your point, Giannis improvement in playmaking is probably overlooked Sorry for the big read

@@emmanuelcoquet6257 so i can tell you don’t watch many bucks games by this statement alone “there’s a big gap between his playmaking and jokics” -there is not. Watch the games. Go and look at passing stats. Giannis creates 18 points a game through playmaking. In addition to his 31. Giannis also creates his own points whereas Jokic plays mainly off of assists. Giannis has reduced bully ball, but can certainly engage with the best when needed. This season he is finishing with more finesse around 3-6 feet out & more post ups. Watch Giannis. It isn’t all bully ball. He has quite a repertoire of highly efficient shots. Giannis has his physical ability because he earned it. Maintaining your body and developing your body to peak physicality is a skill. As Gianni’s has been playing with tendinitis for several games, we’ve seen a lot of what Giannis would look like when he slows down with age. Lots of midrange, post up, some 3s, and tons of facilitating.

@@emmanuelcoquet6257Spot on

yes it has truly become a narrative award. To be named an MVP is always going to be an honor that shows how the league VIEWED a player but basketball fans are definitely realizing it won't actually mean as much as it did before if there are no criteria guidelines for it.

Kissed? What does that mean, like do you mean jokic already has it locked?

He literally didn't get the MVP last year purely based on race. This victim crap don't work anymore mate been the opposite for about ten years now, man TF up 😂

Jokic is just better than the entire league right now.

@@twuandixon8675voters fatigue exists for Giannis but not him? He almost won 3 straight last year. When he wins his 3rd this year, will voters fatigue exists for him next season or it only applies to Giannis? Hence why I say Jokic is kissed in the race

@@T1Oraclebeing the best player in the league doesn’t always mean your the mvp. Also if he’s the best player, that’s your opinion. All subjective

anyone in the top 3 has a chance

Depends on final records, personally I'd say Tatum would be MVP if his team wasn't so stacked.

@@bitcoinethereum9702Tatum really? Based on what?

Giannis and Jokic are already two of the best players to ever play (Top 30 at worst) and they're still in their prime. The list of guys who've won 2 MVPs is only 15 players. If you include the Finals and Finals MVP it's like 10. And they're both in their prime so SGA being considered in the Top 3 (most have him second) is quite impressive.

@@bitcoinethereum9702if his team wasn’t stacked he wouldn’t have that record

Lmao Lopez literally getting cooked with no Giannis on the floor he aint watching games if had to guess he just looking at BS and the other big stats

Giannis covers a ton of ground as weakside free-safety. I've seen almost all of the Bucks' games this year, and he is "taking it easy" on some possessions, i.e. he's not sprinting out to the 3pt line as fast as he normally would, he's not going for every single block. He's playing at about 80% on defense and his pick-and-roll defense is still ELITE. There's a reason why teams go after Brook Lopez on the PNR, because he drops low to protect the rim and give up jump shots. Giannis is saving himself for more offense because Lillard has been inefficient, and Middleton has been missing for two months, and besides he and Dame, the Bucks have no one else who's good at creating for themselves. Hence why his assist numbers have been excellent (and efficiency).

Betting odds suggest it’s all but over and it’s Jokic’s. Tough.

Agreed

Does that mean Joker does too?

This was just my case for Giannis! I kinda did it in a style where I was steel manning the argument for each video. Check out my Luka video! I bring up a lot of that and agree with you. I do think it’s Luka’s if they get the 5 seed pretty easily tbh.

Jokic only had that narrative he was missing Murray and MPJ all year. Westbrook avg a triple double. Luka has missed Kyrie for a couple of games but still has had his team for most of the year and he’s barely the 8th seed .

Adrian Dantley averaged over 30PPG on over 55FG% for a span of 5 consecutive seasons. He was comparable to Kevin Durant during the early 80s.

Severely underrated his sports reference page is wild for a guy that doesn’t get mentioned

he won't. But he deserves way more recognition

In your ps5 for sure

Inferior jokic lolololololol hahHaa boy shut a f up

He will not be even 2nd

@@Peca-sz6yt by what logic lol you ain’t a mvp voter

For sure. And also we gotta remember it was a different era. Basketball hadn’t progressed or evolved much. They were a product of their time

Denver have no allstars, barely 1 player in top 20 and 2 barely top 40-50 players hahaha how is that superteam, put any other center on that team and they are perrenial play in team and sometimes 2nd round team. Jokic makes all of them insanely better

I totally get that. Just trying to use historical precedence

Your comment translates into, “wound.”

Giannis is a better rim attacker and shot blocker. Jokic is better at post game, shooting, half court scoring, rebounding, screening, playmaking, passing overall, basketballI IQ, clutchness, floor raising and difficulty to scheme against in a playoff setting. Giannis' transition prowess is always diminished in a playoff half court setting. 2019 they were upset as the 1st seed by the Raptors and outplayed by Kawhi. 2020 They were upset as the 1st seed by the Heat and Giannis was the fourth best player in the series (behind Jimmy, Bam, Kris and arguably also Brook). 2023 They were upset as the 1st seed by the Heat and Giannis was thoroughly outplayed by Jimmy Butler (who averaged 39 pts) whom he refused to guard. In 2021, when they son the championship, the five best teams in the league at full health were out of contention ( Nets, Warriors, Nuggets, Lakers, Clippers). Giannis declared Kd the best player in the world after their game 7 matchup. As it currently stands I have Giannis as a top 3 player in the league but nowhere close to Jokic.

@@johnbarkley925 not reading all that

@@andrewschulte3024 cause your basketball IQ is limited.

​@@andrewschulte3024because truth hurts

@@johnbarkley925Just because a certain player is better at specific skills than another does not mean they are better NBA players. Jokic has far and away the better supporting cast. You can’t compare the two because they don’t play in identical situations.

You do know that jokic beat them like shit in their first match

@@Peca-sz6yt You do know that is irrelevant to my comment. How is Jokic beating them in their first game related to my comment on his defense and the lack of importance on a players 2 way ability in these awards. Had I said Giannis deserves the award because they beat Denver head to head recently and Giannis was the best player in that match up, you'd have a point.

@@chiefnakoma bro, murray get hurt in that game in milwaukee, jokic still had 29, murray had 3 and he got injured, no one try hard from that moment. So stop your bs

@@Peca-sz6yt Clearly can't have an intelligent discussion with you. Hey, what's your favorite color?

@@chiefnakoma not black

Voter fatigue literally cost him tbe mvp last season😭

Embiid robbed jokic last year

Nuggets are having a better season than the bucks. They're equal first seed in the tougher conference with many easier matchups yet to come. Almost no chance bucks can beat nuggets in 7.

@@jasonmaguire7552 Bucks literally blew out the nuggets in 3 qtrs and the first game was like a 4 point L

It should have been 4th mvp in a row, jokic should win mvp every year to the rest of his prime years

That … That was *gay* 😬

@@GourSmith You go ahead and explain the mentality of an NBA champion then.

@@Charlie-eq3dj I’m good. That’s what the NBA champions are for. I’m not gay-so I’m not gonna type comments about mentalities of champions … Because that would be *gay*

Bro thinks he’s so tuff😂

most of what you said is the biggest lies I've heard LMAOOO, giannis makes his teammates DRASTICALLY better. He has the highest open find success pass rate in the NBA and still absorbs the most gravity in the NBA even more than Jokic. He also makes all of his teammates 10x better on defense due to him being the best help defender in the NBA and most versatile defender.

I made a case for everyone!

I dont think he's overrated lol

Sga deserves nothing lol, okc and shai needs to prove themselves in playoffs before sga could win mvp

@@Peca-sz6yt MVP award comes before playoffs. Jokic got MVP award before the playoffs...so I could argue that Jokic didn't deserve his MVP because he hadn't proven himself in the playoffs yet? (AGAIN) I only said it because I'm a salty Giannis fan that doesn't want Jokic to pass Giannis in MVP awards. So if anyone besides Jokic gets it...I'll be happy. lmao

Go check out my SGA vid 👀

Not even close

There've been only 15 players to win 2 or more MVPs in NBA history. Pettit, Russel, Wilt, Kareem, Moses, Magic, Bird, K. Malone, Jordan, Duncan, Nash, LeBron, Curry, Giannis and Jokic. Trust me it matters. If Jokic and/or Giannis wins one more, they're entering even more exclusive company (8 guys). Handing out MVP trophies as a participation award is terrible. Giannis and Jokic are the two best players alive and in their peak/prime at 29 years old. SGA has been phenomenal this season and the fact that he's in the Top 3 of the race speaks volumes.

Jokic is nice, but giannis definitely got robbed of an mvp

Jokic is the best player in the league right now, and if he keeps it up he'll be the GOAT.

@@T1Oracle not passing bron, stop it lil bro

@@T1OracleGOAT of the NBA? He’s not even top 15

​@@leoupdate8150how many rings lebron had when he was 28

Go watch my Jokic video!! I think you’ll enjoy it

no hes not lmfao the delusion is crazy

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Hakeem still better

Joker is AN AMAZING player, BUT, he still hasn't proven to be (way) better than Embit... or Shaq, Hakim, Dunkan, Robinson, Russel, Wilt, and many more. Maybe, maybe he will be (a looong stretch), but those are just the 'center' types! guards and forwards aside! He is nowhere NEAR the GOAT debate my friend.

You are a pathetic hater...Get a life.

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Bro that’s a question for you If you can drive and score Why you shoot the fking ball?😅

@@yooooolai1999 exactly

If you "have no bag" and can still put up 30.8ppg on 60% fg, it just goes to show how overrated having a "bag" is.