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The Gnostic God vs The Orthodox God - Dr. Elaine Pagels 

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From the religious historian whose The Gnostic Gospels won both the National Book Award and the National Book Critics Circle Award comes a dramatic interpretation of Satan and his role on the Christian tradition. With magisterial learning and the elan of a born storyteller, Pagels turns Satan’s story into an audacious exploration of Christianity’s shadow side, in which the gospel of love gives way to irrational hatreds that continue to haunt Christians and non-Christians alike.
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@noamaster3898
@noamaster3898 2 года назад
Derek, I know you know, but you've created (and are creating) a gold mine of resources for learning and entertainment, for both laypeople and scholars...bringing scholarship and these conversations to the public. Proud to be a patron...and would/will give more, if possible.
@vollinaadkins8118
@vollinaadkins8118 Год назад
22. Jesus saw some babies nursing. He said to his disciples, "These nursing babies are like those who enter the (Father's) kingdom." They said to him, "Then shall we enter the (Father's) kingdom as babies?" Jesus said to them, "When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter [the kingdom]." ru-vid.com/group/PLxxvBg1S_QqJc5plyPs2WC7M5jaTdpbcn 72. A [person said] to him, "Tell my brothers to divide my father's possessions with me." He said to the person, "(Mister), who made me a divider?" ru-vid.com/group/PLxxvBg1S_QqLBibtGDqYIWPjzmQJ_h7NC No need two criss cross devided with faith fooly a blind criss crossing bad way a undefined lie the God of the holy bible is the God of the knosis.gg God is the Good of +x(All)ah of all)o+ Foureverlasting Peace the one Reality check Mankind +(I)+ am from the inside out only Christ crossing Good as Truth at 360° with the Absloute Bigger Better of God of the T(he)if in W(holy)Spirit out of God of all of all Mankinds negitivity two one nouthing just negitive the here an now two all of alI +(I)+ Absloutly Positivily am of one only Adding up more Positive then negitive Always Good as Truth the only way you can Always be Good as Truth the Absloute Bigger Better of God of all of all +(I)+ am the neutral (of) no(u)thing that (n)ever suffers or dies anywhere with anybody or anything a negitive two one nouthing inbody of matter that is +(My Go(o)d Life Happing The Only Plan)+ the in carnate out here an now 3x Male Atom(us) Man +x8(🤴)8o- of all of all Paridice God Truth Reality check +(I)+ am Mankind (Eve)olve (again) a Fact of God check all of all God Truth Reality check, ... ru-vid.com/group/PLxxvBg1S_QqK5bzP7R57d187fZCbtS0Yx 88. Jesus said, "The messengers and the prophets will come to you and give you what belongs to you. You, in turn, give them what you have, and say to yourselves, 'When will they come and take what belongs to them?'" ru-vid.com/group/PLxxvBg1S_QqLLJyTy8YY9TWEmlisD16mF 91. They said to him, "Tell us who you are so that we may believe in you."He said to them, "You examine the face of heaven and earth, but you have not come to know the one who is in your presence, and you do not know how to examine the present moment." +x8( youtube.com/@vollinaadkins8118 )8o- 114. Simon Peter said to them, "Make Mary leave us, for females don't deserve life." Jesus said, "Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of Heaven."
@trinade3732
@trinade3732 2 года назад
You are a kinder, gentler human being when you interview this lady. (Watched them all) Rather Respectful of women or her status, it's Most becoming of a strong man!!
@indicphilosopher8772
@indicphilosopher8772 6 месяцев назад
The whole story of Sophia is filled with daddy issues.. See how she tries to "act like God" when she tries to create something on her own without the consent of father and husband.. Then when she is in trouble with the archons, she starts to cry for father to "save her".. Typical damsel in distress.. A manipulative women who likes to cuck men
@27273100
@27273100 2 года назад
Scores of people are waking up. The truth continues to come out.
@highstrangeness1824
@highstrangeness1824 Год назад
Indeed
@marchelomanchev5317
@marchelomanchev5317 5 месяцев назад
The truth is orthodoxy and the devils false religions like gnostocism will grow until jesus comes back and destroys it
@jayb8881
@jayb8881 2 года назад
What a treat! Loved the manner in which Dr. Elaine answered all the questions. She's lovely! Great video!
@evansmith3589
@evansmith3589 9 месяцев назад
I heard her speak years ago: great talk!
@timsmith6675
@timsmith6675 2 года назад
Perfect timing! I enjoy listening to the Nag Hammadi texts. They are so interesting, it's more about light and truth before the beginning of our universe.
@lindaliestman4397
@lindaliestman4397 Год назад
I watch a lot of videos and interviews about religions, and your channel’s interview content impresses me to no end. Thank you for including everyone in the curiosity journey you are on.
@easter_sunday
@easter_sunday Год назад
The Gnostic God makes more sense if I were to be honest about it.
@dubsar
@dubsar 2 года назад
It sounds like it was not God who made the world and the Devil corrupts it, but that the Devil made the world for itself and God saves us from it all... Interesting.
@vi683a
@vi683a 2 года назад
Interesting in its statement but not interesting aa a Theological argument.
@androrana
@androrana Год назад
@@vi683a Really? Are you sure it's not an interesting Argument?
@vi683a
@vi683a Год назад
@@androrana I am very sure.
@androrana
@androrana Год назад
@@vi683a but It is kind of interesting even as a Theological Argument. Mind telling me the reason why it is not?
@vi683a
@vi683a Год назад
@@androrana Because according to the Scriptures John 1:3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
@jackydebosard8297
@jackydebosard8297 Год назад
Wow! That's simply mind blowing! I can't believe what I heard from Elaine Pagels, when the question is asked about who's the Demiurge? She didn't answered the question, but instead her analysis of the Demiurge was completely evasive. We can see that the host of this interview wasn't completely satisfy with Elaine's answer. It seem to me that she is afraid 😨 to take the stance as an academic professor to explain exactly why the god of the Hebrew Bible, the old testament was sometimes so cruel so harsh with the Hebrews 🇮🇱 at that time. The Exodus from Egypt to the promise land, an endless harsh journey in the desert for 40 years was unbearable 😳 for the Hebrews. How a loving God can punish his creature by killing them through the snake bite 🐍, then requesting everyone who would like to be saved to worship a serpent 🐍 crafted on the cross, under the supervision of Moses. How a loving God, can constantly threaten his people for retaliation if they disobey his Commandments? Who is this god who force his own peoples to worship a serpent 🐍 on the cross, knowing what the serpent 🐍 did to Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. The book of Genesis said that the serpent 🐍 was found guilty for the fall of man by tricking and misleading Eve to eat the forbidden fruit. 🚫 Not to mention a god who send his Angel of death to kill innocent Egyptian infants, first born and so on... we deeply understand why our Lord Jesus Christ replied to the Pharisees who were questioning his Divine authority by saying;" You are with your father the devil, and the will of your father you want to do, he was a murderer from the beginning and do not stand the truth, because there is no truth in him, and when he speaks, he speaks for his own resource, because he is a liar and the father of lie. God the Father our Lord Jesus Christ brought to the world is a loving God, a forgiveness Father as show on the " prodigal son ". Jesus told the crowd and his disciples;" What kind of parents will give a stone to his child if he asks for a loaf of bread, what kind of parent will give his child a serpent if he asks for a fish. And as evil as you are, but you know how to pleased your children, what about your Father in Heaven...." So, Mrs. Elaine Pagels, didn't fully answered your question about the origin of the Demiurge, she avoid the question 🤔. We know from the writings of the gnostic that THE DEMIURGE WAS A MISTAKE THAT SOPHIA THE GODDESS MADE. SOPHIA DIDN'T LISTEN THE SUPREME GOD WHEN SHE DECIDED TO CREATE HER OWN DEITY WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD. SOPHIA GAVE BIRTH BY HERSELF TO THE DEMIURGE, AN ABOMINATION IN THE ENTIRE CREATION. SOON AFTER THAT, SOPHIA REGRETS HER MISTAKE, THEN REJECT THE NEW god, THE DEMIURGE THAT SHE JUST BROUGHT TO EXISTENCE. Upon came to existence, the Demiurge thought that he was the only true God of the universe;" I am the only God and there are no other gods above me " The Demiurge was completely ignorant of the existence of the true God, the Supreme Creator of All Things. So, the ignorant Demiurge created this material world and trapped the soul of the children of God for ever, known in Buddhism as Samsara and Reincarnation. That's is the faith of humanity, until our Lord Jesus Christ came to set the human free of that boundage;" I am the way, the life and the truth, who follow me will never be lost and even he dies, I will resurrect him in the day of judgment..." " You will know the truth and the truth will set you free..." THE god of the Hebrews is the the Demiurge, who was to existence by Sophia by mistake. The true loving ❤ God our Lord Jesus Christ brought to humanity is our Sovereign Father who live in the Realm of Barbelo, the Heavenly Kingdom of the creator of All. Amen 🙏
@harryknickerbocker9889
@harryknickerbocker9889 Год назад
The essential difference between the Gnostics and orthodox Christians is between inner awareness versus outer. The Gnostics look for God within, while the orthodox Christians favor looking for God without. In this sense Gnosticism is much closer to Buddhism. For example, there are sayings from the Gospel of Thomas, that could be Buddhist. I was very surprised to make this discovery.
@ohamatchhams
@ohamatchhams Год назад
True, the concept of Jesus turning her female disciples "to became like males" in Gospel of Thomas are similar to 35th vow (from 48 Bodhisattva vows) of Dharmakara before he become Buddha Amitabha/Amitayus, where those who comes into his Pure Land of Sukhavati/Eastern Paradise of the Dhyani Buddhas' Mandala are going to "renouncing the state of being women", as pure land Buddhists believes the route to Eastern Paradise of Amitabha being easier than most if not any other Pure Lands
@nightmarerex2035
@nightmarerex2035 Год назад
@@ohamatchhams wish could goto a heaven where its all females lol well female looks and male mind lol.
@dorinamary7863
@dorinamary7863 Год назад
There's also many sayings of Jesus in the canonical gospels that parallel with Buddhism.
@ancientdarkness3102
@ancientdarkness3102 5 месяцев назад
Gospel of mary-> seven dark powers within = seven chackra blockers
@PABLUM464
@PABLUM464 3 месяца назад
The teachings attributed to Christ did originate from Buddhism, because the story of Christ is based on the life and teachings of Appolonius of Tyana, a Greek philosopher sage who performed miraculous healings wherever he went. He did travel to India in the first century CE, and met many highly intelligent and spiritual people during his travels. The story of Jesus Christ was created by the Roman Emperor Constantine and the influential religious leaders in the Roman Empire early in the fourth Century. The competition and fighting between the many religious factions in Rome was causing a great disturbance and agitation amongst the people, and Constantine realized what was needed was a dominant religion that would pacify and control the people. Thus the Roman Church was created with Jesus Christ as the new Saviour of mankind.
@wilkiebunkers1352
@wilkiebunkers1352 2 года назад
Thank you for having Elaine on! Excellent stuff, man. Good conversation.
@vollinaadkins8118
@vollinaadkins8118 Год назад
22. Jesus saw some babies nursing. He said to his disciples, "These nursing babies are like those who enter the (Father's) kingdom." They said to him, "Then shall we enter the (Father's) kingdom as babies?" Jesus said to them, "When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter [the kingdom]." ru-vid.com/group/PLxxvBg1S_QqJc5plyPs2WC7M5jaTdpbcn 72. A [person said] to him, "Tell my brothers to divide my father's possessions with me." He said to the person, "(Mister), who made me a divider?" ru-vid.com/group/PLxxvBg1S_QqLBibtGDqYIWPjzmQJ_h7NC No need two criss cross devided with faith fooly a blind criss crossing bad way a undefined lie the God of the holy bible is the God of the knosis.gg God is the Good of +x(All)ah of all)o+ Foureverlasting Peace of the Reality check of Mankind +(I)+ am from the inside out only Christ crossing Good as Truth at 360° the Absloute Bigger Better of God of the T(he)if in W(holy)Spirit out of God of all of all Mankinds negitivity two one nouthing just negitive the here an now two all of alI +(I)+ Absloutly Positivily am of one only Adding up more Positive then negitive Always Good as Truth the only way you can Always be Good as Truth the Absloute Bigger Better of God of all of all +(I)+ am the neutral (of) no(u)thing that (n)ever suffers or dies anywhere with anybody or anything a negitive two one nouthing inbody of matter that is +(My Go(o)d Life Happing The Only Plan)+ the in carnate out here an now 3x Male Atom(us) Man +x8(🤴)8o- of all of all Paridice God Truth Reality check +(I)+ am Mankind (Eve)olve (again) a Fact of God check all of all God Truth Reality check, ... ru-vid.com/group/PLxxvBg1S_QqK5bzP7R57d187fZCbtS0Yx 88. Jesus said, "The messengers and the prophets will come to you and give you what belongs to you. You, in turn, give them what you have, and say to yourselves, 'When will they come and take what belongs to them?'" ru-vid.com/group/PLxxvBg1S_QqLLJyTy8YY9TWEmlisD16mF 91. They said to him, "Tell us who you are so that we may believe in you."He said to them, "You examine the face of heaven and earth, but you have not come to know the one who is in your presence, and you do not know how to examine the present moment." +x8( youtube.com/@vollinaadkins8118 )8o- 114. Simon Peter said to them, "Make Mary leave us, for females don't deserve life." Jesus said, "Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of Heaven."
@FlockofAngels
@FlockofAngels 2 года назад
Some view the Old Testament as spirit "upon" people and the New Testament as spirit "within" people... This change would enable the spiritually inclined to perceive the character of God more clearly.
@theinvisibleworld888
@theinvisibleworld888 2 года назад
Wow very insightful comment
@FlockofAngels
@FlockofAngels 2 года назад
@@theinvisibleworld888 👍
@HappyHermitt
@HappyHermitt Год назад
Never heard that one before. As long as people believe is a good start.
@jdewit8148
@jdewit8148 Год назад
I wouldn't want the deity of numbers 31 inside of me.
@FlockofAngels
@FlockofAngels Год назад
@@jdewit8148 The point that the ideal of the spirit "inside and upon" makes is, our past view of God was influenced by our own lack of spiritual evolution. That we once viewed God by having instinct imposed "upon" our will and guiding us. Now we we have replaced that instinct "upon" with a code of empathy "within" and the "law of liberty". Rather, empathy and charity are written upon our hearts and not merely imposed by the pages of an imperfect code. Is that not really the way it is? And did we once not once crawl up as wild animals and become civilized? Yet, some are still boastful and remember not from whence we come. Spirit "within" rather than "upon" is a way of explaining what changed us. 1 Corinthians 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 💖
@gflem
@gflem 2 года назад
Elaine is one of my favorite guests on your show
@dynamic9016
@dynamic9016 2 года назад
Love listening to the professor; she's brilliant.
@pninnabokov3734
@pninnabokov3734 Год назад
King James Bible "Jesus said unto them, 'Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.'"
@vikingdemonpr
@vikingdemonpr Год назад
I could listen to Dr. Pagels all day. Such a soothing voice + her knowledge = perfection
@pricillamiza8378
@pricillamiza8378 Год назад
@mikeq5807
@mikeq5807 2 года назад
I enjoyed listening to Elaine Pagel. Her elucidation about the Holy Spirit representing the female aspect of God was quite interesting, and fits perfectly with Daoism, yin, associated with the inward. The Holy Spirit is the inner teacher, guide. In this light, the Holy Spirit is what I would call the I AM. I would associate this yin aspect of God with faith, which manifests as perseverance and trust, action and stillness, doing and non-doing, resulting from the wisdom within. In this light, the Father is what I would call the universal Intelligence. I would associate this yang aspect of God with grace, which manifests as synchronicities, serendipities and karma, the outward dynamic, the shaping, supportive and stabilizing energies of life, resulting from the greater wisdom with which we are one. The Gnostics who understood correctly realized that spirituality is symbolic and inward. That was the heart of Jesus' teachings, as it also is the heart of Laozi's teachings, be aware of the outer, but tend to the inward, Dao De Jing 28.
@buzzwordy9951
@buzzwordy9951 2 года назад
When one sees that there is only consciousness and that all things are but an appearance in that then peace and love pervade our being. There is nothing apart from that. I think that the Gnostics had a better idea of this than the Orthodoxy. Grace has lead me on my path. There is no doubt about that.
@mikeq5807
@mikeq5807 2 года назад
@@buzzwordy9951 Grace is the catalyzer for everyone, without exception. Life is a dance between grace and faith, between the universal Intelligence and the consciousness of the individual.
@buzzwordy9951
@buzzwordy9951 2 года назад
@@mikeq5807 It came to me that we walk by grace and eveything we need appears to us by grace. It is as if there is only one mind and we exist in that. This is the truth that the mystics of all religions know as fact.
@mikeq5807
@mikeq5807 2 года назад
@@buzzwordy9951 I will give it to you this way. Write it down, and send me a message to confirm you have it. It begins by the relaxing word, massage. Write it down. Then it's followed by a former zip, 04101. Now you have the first part. I am at, mail ... and you know the rest, it's the usual ending for emails.
@buzzwordy9951
@buzzwordy9951 2 года назад
@@mikeq5807 did you get it, Or did the Romans get you again
@seanhammer6296
@seanhammer6296 2 года назад
"Imagination is a great servant but a poor master." Agatha Christie The problem with religion.
@grantsmythe8625
@grantsmythe8625 2 года назад
Imagination is the King of our mental faculties. Every house, car, computer, phone, medicine and everything else was born in the Human Imagination and nowhere else.
@seanhammer6296
@seanhammer6296 2 года назад
@@grantsmythe8625 So was every religion, philosophy, psychology etc. A little more grown-up word might be "conceptualization."
@grantsmythe8625
@grantsmythe8625 2 года назад
@@seanhammer6296 You'll never escape Philosophy, Religion or Psychology. They are as embedded in your psyche as is pairing/mating/bonding and much more. You can, however, imagine that you've escaped them.....or if you prefer, you can say that you ca conceptualize yourself as having escaped them.
@grantsmythe8625
@grantsmythe8625 2 года назад
@@MrBud-yl5pv Good on! Lol!
@seanhammer6296
@seanhammer6296 2 года назад
@@grantsmythe8625 Why do you think you're getting over on me? You're not saying anything I don't know already.
@derekgoncz7970
@derekgoncz7970 2 года назад
I’ve read all of her books. She might be my favorite scholar. Origin of Satan was one of my favorites.
@johnwheeler3071
@johnwheeler3071 Год назад
As I know nothing about Elaine Pagel can you tell me whether she is a gnostic. I was wondering as she sounded like she was defending gnostics?
@jonnyw82
@jonnyw82 2 года назад
Your content is so good bro! I’m a theist but I love your channel. Keep up the good work and God bless 😉
@RobinPillage.
@RobinPillage. 2 года назад
@@MrBud-yl5pv I'm not trying to bash you when I say this, but I can't help think someone reading that comment might feel like I do when Christians try to smuggle in "the good news" wherever they can. And personally it drives me absolutely bananas.
@jonnyw82
@jonnyw82 2 года назад
@@RobinPillage. I’ll be the first to admit there is not good evidence for a God, especially a good God.
@Mechagnostic
@Mechagnostic 2 года назад
@@RobinPillage. It irked me too. I'd like to think that it is unintentional. But ugh, the addition of those last two words came off as kind of catty.
@LM-jz9vh
@LM-jz9vh 2 года назад
@@jonnyw82 At least you're open minded. You should look into the origins of the Abrahamic god. *Although the biblical narratives depict Yahweh as the sole creator god, lord of the universe, and god of the Israelites especially, initially he seems to have been Canaanite in origin and subordinate to the supreme god El.* Even the biblical Book of Deuteronomy stipulates that *“the Most High, El,* gave to the nations their inheritance” and that “Yahweh's portion is his people, Jacob and his allotted heritage” (32:8-9). A passage like this reflects the early beliefs of the Canaanites and Israelites in polytheism or, more accurately, henotheism (the belief in many gods with a focus on a single supreme deity). *The claim that Israel always only acknowledged one god is a later belief cast back on the early days of Israel's development in Canaan.* *It is generally accepted in the modern day, however, that Yahweh originated in southern Canaan as a lesser god in the Canaanite pantheon* and the Shasu, as nomads, most likely acquired their worship of him during their time in the Levant. *Yahweh in the Canaanite Pantheon* The biblical narrative, however, is not as straightforward as it may seem as it also includes reference to the Canaanite god El whose name is directly referenced in `Israel' (He Who Struggles with God or He Who Perseveres with God). *El was the chief deity of the Canaanite pantheon and the god who, according to the Bible, gave Yahweh authority over the Israelites:* When the *Most High [El]* gave to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of men, he fixed the bounds of the peoples according to the number of the Sons of God. For Yahweh's portion is his people, Jacob his allotted heritage. (Deuteronomy 32:8-9, Masoretic Text). The Canaanites, like all ancient civilizations, worshipped many gods but chief among them was the sky-god El. *In this passage from Deuteronomy, El gives each of the gods authority over a segment of the people of earth and Yahweh is assigned to the Israelites who, in time, will make him their supreme and only deity; but it is clear he existed beforehand as a lesser Canaanite god.* Yahweh, according to Amzallag, was transformed from one god among many to the supreme deity by the Israelites in the Iron Age (c.1200-930 BCE) when iron replaced bronze and the copper smelters, whose craft was seen as a kind of transformative magic, lost their unique status. *In this new age, the Israelites in Canaan sought to distance themselves from their neighbors in order to consolidate political and military strength and so elevated Yahweh above El as the supreme being and claimed him as their own.* His association with the forge, and with imagery of fire, smoke, and smiting, worked as well in describing a god of storms and war and so Yahweh's character changed from a deity of transformation to one of conquest. *As the Israelites developed their community in Canaan, they sought to distance themselves from their neighbors and, as noted, elevated Yahweh above the traditional Canaanite supreme deity El.* They did not, however, embrace monotheism at this time. The Israelites remained a henotheistic people through the time of the Judges, which predates the rise of the monarchy, and throughout the time of the Kingdom of Israel (c.1080-c. 722). Google *"Yahweh - **WorldHistory.Org.**"* Watch Dr Christine Hayes who lectures on the Hebrew Bible at Yale University. Watch lecture 7 from 30:00 minutes onwards and lecture 8 from 12:00 to 19:00 minutes. Watch *"Pagan Origins of Judaism"* by Sigalius Myricantur and read the description in the video to see the scholarship the video is based on. Watch *"The Origins of Yahweh"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica. Read the article linked in the description of the video. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Google *"Jews and Arabs Descended from Canaanites - Biblical Archaeology Society."* Google *"The Canaanites weren't annihilated, they just 'moved' to Lebanon - The Times of Israel."* Google *"Canaanite Religion - New World Encyclopaedia."* Google *"Canaanite Religion - **Realhistoryww.com**"* Google *"Canaanite Phoenician Origin of the God of the Israelites."* Google *"The Phoenician God Resheph in the Bible - Is That in the Bible?"* Google *"God's Wife Edited Out of the Bible - Almost."* Google *"Yahweh's Divorce from the Goddess Asherah in the Garden of Eden - Mythology Matters."* Google *"Married Deities: Asherah and Yahweh in Early Israelite Religion - Yahweh Elohim."* Google *"How the Jews Invented God and Made Him Great- Archaeology - Haaretz."* Google *"The Invention of God - Maclean's"* Google *"The Boundaries of the Nations - Yahweh Elohim."* Google *"Excerpt from “Yahweh and the Gods and Goddesses of Canaan” by John Day - Lehi's Library."* Google *"How Did the Bible’s Editors Conceal Evidence of Israelite Polytheism - Evolution of God by Robert Wright."* Google *"A Theologically Revised Text: Deuteronomy 32:8-9 - Ancient Hebrew Poetry."* Google *"Biblical Contradiction #3: Which God is the Creator of the Heavens and Earth: Yahweh or El?"* Google *"Biblical Contradiction #27. Are Yahweh and El the Same God or Not?"* Google *"Mark Smith: "Yahweh as El’s Son & Yahweh's Ascendancy - Lehi's Library."* Google *"Quartz Hill School of Theology - B425 Ugarit and the Bible."* Google *"The Origins of Yahweh and the Revived Kenite Hypothesis - Is That in the Bible?"* Google *"Yahweh, god of metallurgy - Fewer Lacunae."* Google *"Polytheistic Roots of Israelite Religion - Fewer Lacunae."* Google *"Biblical Polytheism - Bob Seidensticker."* Google *"Combat Myth: The Curious Story of Yahweh and the Gods Who Preceded Him - Bob Seidensticker."* Google *"Religious Studies: El, Yahweh and the Development of Monotheism in Ancient Israel."* Google *"Decoupling YHWH and El - Daniel O. McClellan."* Google *"Yhwh, God of Edom - Daniel O. McClellan."* Google *"The Most Heiser: Yahweh and Elyon in Psalm 82 and Deuteronomy 32 - Religion at the Margins"* based on the *majority scholarly consensus.*
@jonnyw82
@jonnyw82 2 года назад
@@LM-jz9vh Thanks for the info, it’s some fascinating stuff. I don’t believe in the God of the Bible though.
@dan5760
@dan5760 Месяц назад
Facinating. Thanks for these interviews with Dr. Pagels
@mdug7224
@mdug7224 2 года назад
An everflow of amazing content and knowledge.
@JamesLoweryHypnotherapy
@JamesLoweryHypnotherapy 2 года назад
The "Demiourgos" is from Plato's Timaeus. That is why some "Gnostic" sects may be appropriately placed under the term "Middle Platonism".
@st.christopher4854
@st.christopher4854 Год назад
Except that the 3rd century neoplatonist, Plotinus complained about the Gnostics in his work entitled "Against the Gnostics." He said that the Gnostics twisted and warped Plato's teaching on the Demiurge. Plotinus wouldn't have accepted the Gnostics even as the Christian episcopate considered the heretics as apostates and liars.
@st.christopher4854
@st.christopher4854 Год назад
@CiggyStardust if you want to learn about the heretics lies ... then read St. Irenaeus, "Against Heresies," all 5 books. Also Tertullian, "Against Marcion." Justin Martyr, "Hortatory Address to the Greeks."
@john.premose
@john.premose 5 месяцев назад
​@@st.christopher4854 "heretics" "lies". Lol. Be ashamed of yourself.
@VideoFunForAll
@VideoFunForAll 2 года назад
Is it just me or does she not dare to say that YAHWEH = The Demiurge and instead tries to make it into some side thing by just presenting it as another instance of the same God? If she does that she does a great injustice to many gnostic branches and definitely to the Marcionites.
@jdewit8148
@jdewit8148 Год назад
She's got the Catholic bug. The same Catholics who annihilated the Gnostic Cathars.
@dabiededoo
@dabiededoo Год назад
​@@jdewit8148 whats that mean?she wrote the gnostic bible .. or a gnostic bible.. is a gnostic herself
@jdewit8148
@jdewit8148 Год назад
@@dabiededoo I'll give another example. Perhaps much more black white, but it proves the point that writing something doesn't prove anything. Bart Ehrman is a new testament scholar, does that make him a Christian ?. No he is an agnostic/atheist. Just because *you claim* to knowing something, doesn't prove anything. Get it, or not. Only the eastern group of Valentinians believed what Elaine represents, because they dwelled amongst the powerful Catholics in Rome. Western schools of Valentinianism viewed that Yahweh was in fact the Demiurge who was not to be worshipped as God. Dr Justin Sledge has a podcast explaining this. And not to forget about the Sethians, Basilidians, big groups who also maintained the Demiurge view of Yahweh.
@dabiededoo
@dabiededoo Год назад
@@jdewit8148 huh can u say something about what you believe then?. and who for example you like that teach truth.. or what you think is truth i mean..
@jdewit8148
@jdewit8148 Год назад
@@dabiededoo This is strictly my opinion that you or anyone else doesn't have to agree with. I believe that Marcion was the first Christian who compiled the earliest volume of scripture that included one gospel similar to Luke's without the birth narrative and Paul's authentic letters. Who modern scholars of today agree with. Marcion stated that Yahweh as described in the old testament could not be Christ's father, for he did the exact opposite. Gnostics took this a step further suggesting that he was the Demiurge. I'll include a scripture from Deuteronomy found amongst the dead sea scrolls which supports Marcion's theory. 4Q Deuteronomy dead sea scrolls Deuteronomy 32:8-9 When Elyon gave the nation's as an inheritance, when He separated the Sons of Man. He set the boundaries of the people, according the number of the "Sons of God" (BNY Elohim). For Yahweh's portion was his people, Jacob was the lot of his inheritance. So there are many gods and Yahweh is a lesser one, whose inheritance is Jacobs descendants called Israel only.
@TheColonelKlink
@TheColonelKlink 2 года назад
1: You shall have no other demiurges before me. 2: . . .
@darianadams9939
@darianadams9939 Год назад
Jesus is fully God and fully man, Emmanuel!
@The_Cosmic_Yog-Sothoth
@The_Cosmic_Yog-Sothoth 9 месяцев назад
Elaine Pagels. What a wonderful lady.
@Ashley-ng7yx
@Ashley-ng7yx Год назад
I just discovered her thanks to your channel! I grew up in the deep south, was a Christian and baptized at 16. Welp, I'm a lesbian, so that caused me a lot of hell inside and became an antsiest. Over the last decade, I've tried to learn everything I can about the history of Christianity and Jesus and consciousness, and I feel super comfortable with my "higher power." Thank you for this amazing content!
@rontate7719
@rontate7719 8 месяцев назад
Where is lesbia? I am from the south and have not heard of this place. I tried finding on Google maps and it does not come up. Any way. I git distracted reading the comments .. Thanks.12.7.23
@newhavenfishermen
@newhavenfishermen 12 дней назад
Give up the corruption that all were born with. Jesus Christ may have been gay but he overcame it. So can you, you must be presented a "chaste virgin", I met Him supernaturally after 53 years of corruption and denial
@brett7794
@brett7794 2 месяца назад
Gosh she's a breath of fresh air her 😊 her perspective is beautiful.
@colddiesel
@colddiesel 2 года назад
The interviewer is hopeless. Blather blather blather, never asks a question in 50 words when he can take 10 times as many
@jdewit8148
@jdewit8148 Год назад
She wasn't sincere in her answers, so he cut it short. She was fence sitting.
@ssake1_IAL_Research
@ssake1_IAL_Research Год назад
Some years ago I wrote Dr. Pagels, asking her if there was any reference in the Dead Sea Scrolls to reincarnation. She said "no," but I found one in the Gospel of Thomas, Nag Hammadi documents, passage #109, Thomas O. Lambdin translation: "The kingdom is like a man who had a hidden treasure in his field without knowing it. And after he died, he left it to his son. The son did not know (about the treasure). He inherited the field and sold it. And the one who bought it went plowing and found the treasure. He began to lend money at interest to whomever he wished."
@theperfectbastard451
@theperfectbastard451 2 года назад
What Pegals is describing about Marcus is the behaviors of cult leaders. Most, if not all cult leaders follow the same pattern of behaviors: narcissistic yet charismatic, isolating people from their families, require devotion, create chaos, make tantalizing promises of higher purpose or spirituality, often require special dress, demoralize then uplift, usually resort to sleeping with the wives (and daughters) of followers and then ultimately create a crisis that will separate the followers from reality. it makes me wonder that if there was a historical Jesus, he must have fit these same cult-leader patterns…
@33ketamine33
@33ketamine33 2 года назад
There is a historical Jesus who seperated the era BC &AD. He did not do any of the things you described here. He is not a cult leader. He is the Holy God eternal who manifested .
@theperfectbastard451
@theperfectbastard451 2 года назад
@@33ketamine33 So the historical Jesus (presumably a real flesh and blood person) was not a cult leader? I assume you are a Christian, and I understand your reaction to defend Jesus, as the idea of a cult has negative connotations, and that leaders of cults tend to share many things in common, with most being seen as negative to people outside of the cult. However, anybody who is looking in from the outside (like myself) would identify Jesus as a cult leader. And historically, cult leaders have not had a good image or track record, which is the reason for the negative connotations. Usually, a cult leader is a person of tremendous charisma who makes followers feel loved and accepted. It's often suggested that cult leaders are extremely narcissistic and use brainwashing tactics to attract and keep followers. In many instances, cult members deeply identify with and admire their leader. Cult leaders often require degrees of conformity among members. For example, they might require all members to wear matching white jumpsuits and shave their heads. Fostering feelings of belonging is a central tactic cult leaders employ. Now, is it possible that the historical Jesus was different than what we typically associate as "cult leader" behaviors? Yes, it is possible, however I find it highly unlikely. You are free to feel positively about the historical Jesus, just as I am free to have my opinion that Jesus was no different than other cult leaders. My opinion shouldn't change how you feel about Jesus...
@kyledefranco6720
@kyledefranco6720 2 года назад
Gnostics hid their teachings. Marcion, conversely broadcasted his beliefs.
@UNITARIAN-sl5qw
@UNITARIAN-sl5qw Год назад
Jesus was a devout Jew with traditions and laws. In the beginning there was no difference between Jews and Nazarenes. They worship in the same Synagogue and Temple. The difference is only one: The Jews did not recognize Jesus as a Prophet and Messenger of God because Jesus predicted the destruction of the nation and prophesied the coming of the Messiah from other nations, triggering the anger of the high-ranking officials in the Temple authority. It became one of Paul's missions to destroy the beliefs of Jesus' followers because they did not accept the SCREPTRE (staff) of God's Kingdom (Religion) to switch to other nations. In other words, the Age of the elect will end. 
@jaysongayagoy3347
@jaysongayagoy3347 Год назад
For searching the absolute Truth I think my end point is Gnosticism something is far beyond mortal mind reasoning can't comprehend the joy of my soul is nurturing right now.
@Sportliveonline
@Sportliveonline 2 года назад
Most important question ~~~How do you know what the writers wrote down at the time is true ?
@jonnyw82
@jonnyw82 2 года назад
We see evolution of mans understanding of God in the Bible but also evolution of moral philosophy. Makes one think how our understanding of God will continue to evolve.
@grantsmythe8625
@grantsmythe8625 2 года назад
That's the thing about evolution, you can't predict the next change, but each change in our view of God entails a change in our views about ourselves.
@seanhammer6296
@seanhammer6296 2 года назад
It will evolve until people come to the truth that "God" does not exist.
@LM-jz9vh
@LM-jz9vh 2 года назад
Yes the god of the Bible did indeed evolve from a lesser god in the Canaanite pantheon who inherited the top position as the Israelites transitioned from polytheism to monotheism. He's not real. *Although the biblical narratives depict Yahweh as the sole creator god, lord of the universe, and god of the Israelites especially, initially he seems to have been Canaanite in origin and subordinate to the supreme god El.* Even the biblical Book of Deuteronomy stipulates that *“the Most High, El,* gave to the nations their inheritance” and that “Yahweh's portion is his people, Jacob and his allotted heritage” (32:8-9). A passage like this reflects the early beliefs of the Canaanites and Israelites in polytheism or, more accurately, henotheism (the belief in many gods with a focus on a single supreme deity). *The claim that Israel always only acknowledged one god is a later belief cast back on the early days of Israel's development in Canaan.* *It is generally accepted in the modern day, however, that Yahweh originated in southern Canaan as a lesser god in the Canaanite pantheon* and the Shasu, as nomads, most likely acquired their worship of him during their time in the Levant. *Yahweh in the Canaanite Pantheon* The biblical narrative, however, is not as straightforward as it may seem as it also includes reference to the Canaanite god El whose name is directly referenced in `Israel' (He Who Struggles with God or He Who Perseveres with God). *El was the chief deity of the Canaanite pantheon and the god who, according to the Bible, gave Yahweh authority over the Israelites:* When the *Most High [El]* gave to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of men, he fixed the bounds of the peoples according to the number of the Sons of God. For Yahweh's portion is his people, Jacob his allotted heritage. (Deuteronomy 32:8-9, Masoretic Text). The Canaanites, like all ancient civilizations, worshipped many gods but chief among them was the sky-god El. *In this passage from Deuteronomy, El gives each of the gods authority over a segment of the people of earth and Yahweh is assigned to the Israelites who, in time, will make him their supreme and only deity; but it is clear he existed beforehand as a lesser Canaanite god.* Yahweh, according to Amzallag, was transformed from one god among many to the supreme deity by the Israelites in the Iron Age (c.1200-930 BCE) when iron replaced bronze and the copper smelters, whose craft was seen as a kind of transformative magic, lost their unique status. *In this new age, the Israelites in Canaan sought to distance themselves from their neighbors in order to consolidate political and military strength and so elevated Yahweh above El as the supreme being and claimed him as their own.* His association with the forge, and with imagery of fire, smoke, and smiting, worked as well in describing a god of storms and war and so Yahweh's character changed from a deity of transformation to one of conquest. *As the Israelites developed their community in Canaan, they sought to distance themselves from their neighbors and, as noted, elevated Yahweh above the traditional Canaanite supreme deity El.* They did not, however, embrace monotheism at this time. The Israelites remained a henotheistic people through the time of the Judges, which predates the rise of the monarchy, and throughout the time of the Kingdom of Israel (c.1080-c. 722). Google *"Yahweh - **WorldHistory.Org.**"* Watch Dr Christine Hayes who lectures on the Hebrew Bible at Yale University. Watch lecture 7 from 30:00 minutes onwards and lecture 8 from 12:00 to 19:00 minutes. Watch *"Pagan Origins of Judaism"* by Sigalius Myricantur and read the description in the video to see the scholarship the video is based on. Watch *"The Origins of Yahweh"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica. Read the article linked in the description of the video. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Google *"Jews and Arabs Descended from Canaanites - Biblical Archaeology Society."* Google *"The Canaanites weren't annihilated, they just 'moved' to Lebanon - The Times of Israel."* Google *"Canaanite Religion - New World Encyclopaedia."* Google *"Canaanite Religion - **Realhistoryww.com**"* Google *"Canaanite Phoenician Origin of the God of the Israelites."* Google *"The Phoenician God Resheph in the Bible - Is That in the Bible?"* Google *"God's Wife Edited Out of the Bible - Almost."* Google *"Yahweh's Divorce from the Goddess Asherah in the Garden of Eden - Mythology Matters."* Google *"Married Deities: Asherah and Yahweh in Early Israelite Religion - Yahweh Elohim."* Google *"How the Jews Invented God and Made Him Great- Archaeology - Haaretz."* Google *"The Invention of God - Maclean's"* Google *"The Boundaries of the Nations - Yahweh Elohim."* Google *"Excerpt from “Yahweh and the Gods and Goddesses of Canaan” by John Day - Lehi's Library."* Google *"How Did the Bible’s Editors Conceal Evidence of Israelite Polytheism - Evolution of God by Robert Wright."* Google *"A Theologically Revised Text: Deuteronomy 32:8-9 - Ancient Hebrew Poetry."* Google *"Biblical Contradiction #3: Which God is the Creator of the Heavens and Earth: Yahweh or El?"* Google *"Biblical Contradiction #27. Are Yahweh and El the Same God or Not?"* Google *"Mark Smith: "Yahweh as El’s Son & Yahweh's Ascendancy - Lehi's Library."* Google *"Quartz Hill School of Theology - B425 Ugarit and the Bible."* Google *"The Origins of Yahweh and the Revived Kenite Hypothesis - Is That in the Bible?"* Google *"Yahweh, god of metallurgy - Fewer Lacunae."* Google *"Polytheistic Roots of Israelite Religion - Fewer Lacunae."* Google *"Biblical Polytheism - Bob Seidensticker."* Google *"Combat Myth: The Curious Story of Yahweh and the Gods Who Preceded Him - Bob Seidensticker."* Google *"Religious Studies: El, Yahweh and the Development of Monotheism in Ancient Israel."* Google *"Decoupling YHWH and El - Daniel O. McClellan."* Google *"Yhwh, God of Edom - Daniel O. McClellan."* Google *"The Most Heiser: Yahweh and Elyon in Psalm 82 and Deuteronomy 32 - Religion at the Margins"* based on the *majority scholarly consensus.*
@grantsmythe8625
@grantsmythe8625 2 года назад
@@LM-jz9vh Interesting comment. Be warned though that some people do not like to know too much history about their beliefs. It makes them anxious and nervous. It makes them afraid.
@grantsmythe8625
@grantsmythe8625 2 года назад
@@seanhammer6296 I can certainly understand how a man can say, "I do not believe in God," or "I do believe in God," but I do not understand how a man can say with absolute certainty that "God does not exist." How did you come by such absolute certainty?
@robertherring9277
@robertherring9277 2 года назад
Cool video! Thank you!
@chiricahuaapache5132
@chiricahuaapache5132 2 года назад
Elaine Pagels is fantastic.
@IRGeamer
@IRGeamer Месяц назад
“There is a cult of ignorance… and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'” - Isaac Asimov
@alanhyland5697
@alanhyland5697 2 года назад
Random weird comment: When I saw the title of this video, my first thought was, "Who would win in a cage match."
@exoplanet11
@exoplanet11 2 месяца назад
First 2 Minutes: Dr. Pagels wondering "is he going to get to a question here?"
@doggiesarus
@doggiesarus Год назад
Thanks. I just put a few of Dr. Pagel's books on my wish list. I have heard of the Gnostics, in fact have read the Gospel of Thomas, Judas, and Mary (maybe 20 years ago). The Irenaeus (sp?) information is quite interesting. Although I read those writings, the knowledge base about the Gnostics was quite weak when I read them, and nice to see more research has been done.
@DuhYaThink
@DuhYaThink Год назад
Have you looked into John Lamb Lash and his book “Not In His Image” very interesting read. Not an easy one but full of information for you too ponder over 👍🏻
@aydnofastro-action1788
@aydnofastro-action1788 Год назад
Has anyone made a connection between the demiurge and Schopenhauer's Will as the thing in itself, Aslo the source of suffering etc??
@stevedarbouze4369
@stevedarbouze4369 Год назад
from my current research its either what the christians are saying and there is a actual demiurge, or it was the annunaki kings ruling over the humans, or it was plain old humans in power. one of these is the "god" of the old testament.
@stephendobbs7653
@stephendobbs7653 11 месяцев назад
God's both, as is a loving merciful human Father, a living family man, who also happens to work as a high judge will also pass down harsh sentences on criminals, even the death sentence when he us at work.
@MercedesCruz-qe1nj
@MercedesCruz-qe1nj Год назад
Thank you for sharing your knowledge, Dr. Page. I remember you and Rabbi Uolpe ( forgive me for misspelling his name) in Mysteries of the Bible. A long time ago.
@stevenclark5682
@stevenclark5682 Год назад
Old test god is not the Most High Spirit. Christ warned against the killer godsss.
@observeroflife0000
@observeroflife0000 11 месяцев назад
There is one God viewed from many different perspectives. There is really no "verses" about it. 🤷‍♀️
@innocencesgone
@innocencesgone 2 года назад
Yall talking about Yaldabaoth, Sakla, Samael or Ariel as called by the perfect ones?
@RG-br9ns
@RG-br9ns 2 года назад
The demiurge
@innocencesgone
@innocencesgone 2 года назад
@@RG-br9ns wooow how genius thx for letting me know who would've EVER guessed???
@antoninospitale4646
@antoninospitale4646 9 месяцев назад
I love too much the books of this woman ❤
@oscargranda5385
@oscargranda5385 Год назад
The best explanation.....i ve ver read for these....Is Urantia book.....really Is note god instead our perception of whats celestial father Is.....our evolución of this perception......really advise to read that book....
@ziul.3124
@ziul.3124 2 года назад
Big names in this show,this channel needs to grow huuuge.
@AlexNazee
@AlexNazee Год назад
This was great thank you
@beccabishop9936
@beccabishop9936 2 месяца назад
The Cain and Abel archetype comes to mind as you describe the tension between orthodox and gnostic church leaders. Sibling rivalry?
@glenhuman3681
@glenhuman3681 11 месяцев назад
This was terribly interesting! Thank you!
@jerryjones7293
@jerryjones7293 11 месяцев назад
Fascinating, I just ordered Gnostic Gospels.
@Stargods
@Stargods 2 года назад
On what day of creation did Jehovah create the law of entropy?
@HappyHermitt
@HappyHermitt Год назад
If I want to see God, I look at the universe. To me, its peeking inside the mind of God.
@robinchwan
@robinchwan Год назад
just look at your hand.. it's the same thing really!
@briansmith3791
@briansmith3791 Год назад
Good comment. We now have the greatest evidence for the existence of a Creator since our species began.....and science has uncovered it. We have observable evidence for only one universe. We have observable evidence for the Physical Constants. The universe is fine-tuned for Life, but that fine-tuning precludes any physical interference, so that does away with the idea of a Religious God. The universe is in the Mind of God, nothing exists outside of the Mind.
@stephendobbs7653
@stephendobbs7653 11 месяцев назад
As the Jews were always breaking their agreement to flood the OR laws God is therefore often seen in the judging role in the OT, as the agreement/contract states He would be. This contrasts with the NT in which the same God offers a different contract to mankind based not on man followings rules but salvation by grace through faith. Its the same God fulfilling a different role.
@1Infeqaul1
@1Infeqaul1 Год назад
This earth is a living being. She is one of the first daughter's of Creation. For the very first thing the real God created, was a family. The evil we experience on this earth, are the misguided creations of the first children of Creation. Now these misguided beings are claiming to be the god's of man. Deficient of true compassion. Which is another truth all in its self.
@debrapaulino918
@debrapaulino918 Год назад
Might it have been an electric shock that killed those who touched the Ark?
@blazingbattlehawk9626
@blazingbattlehawk9626 5 месяцев назад
Yknow it really is shocking how much it causes everything line up. I've noticed how it's pretty much the point where all religions converge. It was the pantheons prevalent in many religions while also incorporating the spiritualism of the east and being closely related to the Abrahamic faiths
@mogbaba
@mogbaba 2 года назад
Gnosticism in Islam, called Sufism, is exactly against the world view, and theology of Islam. Sufism began in Iran, and spread to the rest of the Islamic world. They have music and dance in their ceremonies, and women are active in those ceremonies.
@dwainbryan6037
@dwainbryan6037 Год назад
If a God is transcendent but still good, then it can't really be transcendent. Transcendence is to be beyond ideas like good and bad, otherwise you're back to a dualistic God who is sometimes good but sometimes bad.
@gilbermamani3040
@gilbermamani3040 Год назад
Great Researcher, I enjoy this podcast. Is there a link to the complete interview or show?
@rafaelgomez5504
@rafaelgomez5504 2 года назад
Very intersting ... The explanation of spirit (Ruha) ? I heard that before ... Professor Pagels have a wonderful day
@AllahuSnackbar270
@AllahuSnackbar270 2 года назад
Ruha in Mandean Aramaic at least.
@dr.feelgood3844
@dr.feelgood3844 Год назад
Good questions. As for the doctor, at the end she tries to explain "false allegations" of religious groups against one another. However, she doesnt acknowledge that these acts have occurred, as per multiple accounts. The question is, which group is lying, and which one is telling the truth? Or are they all lying? I would "trust" not....
@theomnisthour6400
@theomnisthour6400 Год назад
The real first creator is, was, and will always be just the all-father cocreator who is always a few moves ahead of even his most precocious followers and would be destroyers
@WolfFistProductions
@WolfFistProductions Год назад
Boy sounds like Irenous (misplaced sorry) would hate Pentecostal Christians. Amusing.
@anthonyben-yah9745
@anthonyben-yah9745 2 года назад
Happy Sabbath; Hallelu Yah!
@jasonbourne5142
@jasonbourne5142 Год назад
Jesus is the true sabbath
@elvispresley5921
@elvispresley5921 Год назад
Loving God , Father of Jhesu (Yeh-Shu).
@svetozarozegovic3684
@svetozarozegovic3684 Год назад
Thankyou mi creator GOD. CLEAN MI TEMPLE HOW SUPPOSE TO BE BY YOUR WILL BE DONE,NOT MINE.AMEN. FIX MY NEEDS AND HEALT AND WHOLE MY BODY ,I PRAY . AMEN.GOD IS ONE. ALL IN ONE, ONE IN ALL. HALELUJAAAAAAH.
@veridianacarvalho9209
@veridianacarvalho9209 2 года назад
I love her
@jrgnc1
@jrgnc1 6 месяцев назад
Being Catholic, I hate that there is this delineation of father, son, holy ghost. They're one in the same amounting to one god.
@markberman6708
@markberman6708 9 месяцев назад
How can there be a divine masculine without a divine feminine? What ways of looking at ourselves brings us more peace, both to ourselves and our world? Are we meant to be evolving, and sentient beings with a spark beyond mere animals. I remember once reading that when a life giving world eats itself, immolates, because the beings meant to shepherd themselves and their world cannot overcome their origins, the Universe weeps.
@bob_btw6751
@bob_btw6751 Год назад
Why do people believe that God should conform to human descriptions and words? Seems so strange to me.
@johnsmith-mv8hq
@johnsmith-mv8hq Год назад
Am I correct in recalling that, in Greek parlance at the time, the word 'magus' was more akin to calling someone a charlatan?
@GizmoFromPizmo
@GizmoFromPizmo 9 месяцев назад
"The letters of Timothy". I wonder what those are. She must be referring to some document we don't have.
@stevenv6463
@stevenv6463 Год назад
The Marcus mentioned at the end reminds me of itinerant sophists. Quite different from Paul's self depiction
@iouel
@iouel Год назад
Those seated in the Garden, share the Key Of Life!
@theunclejesusshow8260
@theunclejesusshow8260 2 года назад
Greetingz cuzinz 🏵 🧙‍♀️ 👍yep, many gods and different ideas of them
@vhawk1951kl
@vhawk1951kl 3 месяца назад
What puzzles me s from where do the loons get the god idea?I is not the sort of thing to which one arrives of one's own motion, but then neither they nor I have the faintest idea what the mean by god.
@WalterRocha-rm4rr
@WalterRocha-rm4rr 5 месяцев назад
She's a beautiful lady bless her soul 💗 onward Christian soldier
@rosannag.burroughs4563
@rosannag.burroughs4563 9 месяцев назад
Elaine knows that the Gnostics are right about having the true knowledge!!! JESUS was not a physical person, Jesus is the Highest Consciousness within!!!
@pninnabokov3734
@pninnabokov3734 Год назад
I don't think Ieusus was steeped in the Hebrew bible because HE was omniscient and preached HIS new and original "good news" to man. I don't think HE was influenced by earthly things here before HIS arrival, although HE knew of them, for HE would have considered them insignificant and childish and, probably, entirely erroneous. Thank you and God Bless
@upgrade1015
@upgrade1015 3 месяца назад
Gnostics just give an extra layer the big G is love .
@iamgodphotography
@iamgodphotography Год назад
The literal interpretation of the Bible will always lead to terrible conclusions, and I wonder if all of it is metaphor, and therefore valid instead of taking it, literally like the Christians do to their own wrong conclusion, as well as possibly gnostics. The consciousness movement like Neville Goddard take the same scriptures and apply it metaphorically and it works. Wish we could know for sure.
@gregruland1934
@gregruland1934 Год назад
well done ty
@Sportliveonline
@Sportliveonline 2 года назад
The Mystery is revealed
@Meowwolfwarrior
@Meowwolfwarrior 4 месяца назад
Yup that's why it says God knows your thoughts, but what about someone like me who has had much experience with Satan and am able to perceive that thing coming from other people? Is it Satan 🧐 duhh. Tell that to a church 😂 people are afraid to unlearn what they were told because it's not convenient for their comfort
@buzzwordy9951
@buzzwordy9951 2 года назад
DR, Pagels always interests me her work is brilliant and her videos are informative. We are fortunate. Marcion knew that God was not outside but inside.of all people.There is no Deity out there.
@hypergraphic
@hypergraphic 2 месяца назад
Holy crap that makes so much sense and actually jealous was quite matches quite a lot of what Hinduism teaches.
@WalterRocha-rm4rr
@WalterRocha-rm4rr 5 месяцев назад
So Jesus would be angry too because he's God himself he's another type of being not like us we're not capable of understanding celestial glory of his
@porshprix4286
@porshprix4286 Год назад
Interesting video.
@nun_bel_eever
@nun_bel_eever 2 года назад
*Demiurge? Like fallen angle?* *Ever notice that the Israelites viewed the Holy Spirit the same way they looked at women- angry, lustful, and given to irrational change such as killing Annias & Sapphira yet raising Jesus to life...*
@mmccrownus2406
@mmccrownus2406 2 года назад
Are not modern women often so?
@nun_bel_eever
@nun_bel_eever 2 года назад
@@mmccrownus2406 *Most commonly under Corpus Juris Secundun, the Decalogue & the Christian & Muslim as well as Jewish churches...*
@larrypicard8802
@larrypicard8802 2 года назад
Nice to see a woman for a change.
@hecticnarcoleptic3160
@hecticnarcoleptic3160 2 года назад
Why? Have you been seeing man so far?
@johnwheeler3071
@johnwheeler3071 Год назад
Jesus was a Jew who quoted the hebrew bible. He never quoted Plato, Buddha or Hermes Trismegistus.
@bobaldo2339
@bobaldo2339 Год назад
A fun face-off between the two would involve mud wrestling.
@virtuositycash
@virtuositycash Год назад
What If there is No God Or A Devil?
@AmirTheGoat
@AmirTheGoat 9 месяцев назад
I acknowledge GOD the Father as well as GOD the mother. The ONE is an androgynous spirit in which both divine masculine and divine feminine energies find their origin
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