M'aiq the Liar = god. Think about it. He has powers that allow him to pierce through reality and realize it is a video game and is immortal (to those who say “muh, his parents’ names were M’aiq”. Would you go around telling everyone you’re an omniscient deity?)
The voice is one of the most overpowered abilities in the world of TES. Lorewise i struggle to imagine how even an army of thalmor could defeat the dragonborn.
Not if you have absorb spell active, or deflect. Even slow time can be dispelled so no. Shouts are harmless to a master mage who practices mysticism. And oh, if you can get your hands on some shadow magick then you are unstoppable. Even a chim user needs to take care when dealing with shadow magick.
@@chufeng6223 thuum defines reality, while magick defies reality. thuum doesn't doesn't use magicka, it tells reality how it must be, if wind is summoned by thuum it is identical to any other wind, and so you can't dispel thuum as you can't dispel normal wind.
@@Myqan Nah that's been debunked by many sources. Here's a quick one. gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/290270/does-arrow-to-the-knee-truly-signify-marriage
Magic and powers in elder scrolls lore is always so much more interesting than in gameplay. The power scaling is more like comic books with many super human tiers of ability. In lore I would imagine the dragon born (at least after he's all leveled up) would be like thor. Not just the thu'um but his/her strength, speed and reflexes would all be many times that of a human. Game mechanics more in line with devil may cry would probably fit the lore better. Remember the bit about an experienced "tongue" could shout down a castle wall. The dragonborn is destined to defeat the strongest dragon in aldiun. His/her full powered shout could probably knock the whole damn castle down. Remember that Alduin destroyed helgen without breaking a sweat. In lore Helegen was a major military fort, not just a regular village.
waste of time You underestimate the The Thu’um the Thu’um is capable of of warping reality on a massive scale pelinal whitestrake was capable of destroying the entire Elder Scrolls universe up to the Godhead. The Dragonborn is super op lore wise around the 11-12 strongest TES character
Mortuorum Rex I’d imagine the Dragonborn’s Shehai would look like a Sword version of the Dragon Aspect shout (since the Spirit Sword is made from the user’s soul and the Dragonborn has a Dragon Soul)
What if the Dragonborn mastered the trio of known forms of reality-shaping magics, Sword Singing, the Thu'um, and Tonal Architecture? They'd be literally unkillable.
For someone to ascent to Godhood they need to find out that they are not real, or something like that, basically "Chim" Anyone who achieves Chim will basically have control over the Godhead's dream, lucid dreaming in a God's dream
@Michael Bro I want a mod for different locks for different locks. Same lock picked with the same lockpick on a dwemer lock as a current Nord door? So unimmersive
That is the exact failure the Jurgen Windcaller believed was punishment from the Gods. In that sense, they lost because the Gods said so. Not because the Chimer were stronger.
all races can use both the voice and magic, yet every single one fo them chose magic in the end, even miraak, the most powerful dragonborn ever to exist till TLB used magic more than he use shouts. The voice is not stronger or more versatile than magic, is just different. Sure, 3 words shouts are mightier than begginer spells, but expert and master spells are pretty much supreme. And they dont have cooldown.
@@Alizudo Not necessarily true. The Chimer were legitimately handing them their asses on a silver platter, not to mention that Nerevar himself was an extremely gifted and powerful warlord that defeated a Dragonborn, Wulfharth, in single combat. Lets not undersell the ancient Chimer, they were a very powerful race of people. The Tribunal, at the height of their power, would have annihilated the Tongues regardless of the Thu'um.
Lorenzo Herreros Here’s the thing, those cooldowns might very well just be an in game mechanic, not necessarily an actual part of the lore. The Thu’um is comparable to tonal architecture, the same kind of “magic” the dwemer used. I use quotations because tonal architecture is to magic what tanks are to hand guns. Magic is more widely used because it’s fundamentally easier to learn, not because it’s more powerful. To learn the voice, you need someone to teach you. It’s nearly impossible to stumble upon on your own. And as far as I know, the Greybeards are the only ones who are capable of teaching it at all and even then it takes years to use.
I remember for the longest time, I thought the Thu'um was a neat ability they made up to make the Dragonborn unique, only to learn that it actually was something mentioned in Morrowind.
Some times I like to imagine the 2 series combining where their continents have no idea of each other’s existence until they are actually found. Like Europeans learning of the Americas except it would be really hard to colonize each other.
Fun fact, Kiai is a real word concept, you know those shouts a martial artists when attacking. would make sense for that to be mixed with Dragon shouts, Akavir being the land of dragons and all. But good on you, a piece of akaviri lore that i didn't know, now back to hoping ESO do not disappoint me with Rimmen.
In Shorinji Kempo (martial art from Japan but adapted from Shaolin kung fu). It's mandatory to shout Kiai when hitting your opponent. But different Kiai also used to change your stance. But yea, it's just a shout. But there's a difference when you use it and not.
@@BruhMoment-cs6tj yep but Kiai is the Akaviri word for the Thu'um in TES. granted unreliable narrator and all, children of the Sky could just be wrong with a Nord hearing about kiai and mistaking it for the voice but then you can apply that to like 90% of TES lore ;-)
Greybeards: Do you vow to follow the Way of the Voice? Me: Yes Also me: Walks out the door ready to shout every troll off the steps on the way back down
I honestly think there's no difference. It's the same magic used in a different way. The Nordic Thu'um was used for war and religious worship, but Tonal Architecture was used to bend the Laws of Physics and create matter. The Nords could do the same thing if they bothered to experiment. But then again, disregarding the Gods is exactly what got the Dwemer banished in the first place.
Dragonborns death: Hermaeus Mora: Dragonborn, your time is up. Now you will forever serve me in Apocrypha. Nocturnal: Not so fast Mora, the mortal will join me in the Evergloam to fulfill their duty as Nightengale! Hircine: Both of you quit your pointless chatting, the mortal died with my gift so they will eternally hunt with me in my Hunting Grounds. Boethia: The mortal became MY champion and died my champion, the Ebony Mail proves it! It is crucial that they join me! Sheogorath: Little mortal, we sharin' that strawberry tart? Dragonborn: ..... *All of the princes engage in a intense battle while Shor offers you a bottle of mead and a place in Sovngarde.* Dragonborn: Yeah... see ya guys. Me and Shor gonna go have a drink. *You are ignored as the battle rages on*
In the lore, the Tongues of Old sung the spirit of Shor back to the earth to lead the Nords at Red Mountain. Must be pretty powerful if you can bring a dead god back to life.
This is actually weird. Accırding to the elder scrolls lore the thu’um which was used by the nords were really powerful and they could conquer the world with it. But in the gameplay althoght the dragonborn is using the shout the unrelentic force can just blow away some people and it can be blocked by a ward spell isnt it bad the game needs more powerful shouts that they were mentioned in the lore
If the Thu'um was as strong in the game as it is in lore the Dragon Crisis and the civil war would be over in 1 week , not to say the damn Altmer wouldn't even think of doing what they are doing to men all around Tamriel
@@jorgeneves7969 Yea thats what i mean. He is so fkn OP in the lore but in Skyrim he is just another dragonborn who for some reason defeats all enemies. Would make alot of sense if LDB fucking oblitirated someone when he shouted at them but yea.
Imagine in TES6 more elemental spells like wind where you can summon tornadoes, or create a circle of wind around you to disrupt arrows, or even use it in a similar way to unrelenting force and use it in more of a defensive manor. The wind atronach could be like a ash guardian but like a cloud more than dust. And similar to potency spells when some one is close there could be one called Gale Palm and when an enemy is close and if your destruction is powerful enough it can send them flying and make them stagger.
@@MaliciousMollusc it is a different form of magic, both rewrite aspects of reality using a strict method with clear patterns and rules If fact, every NPC ever including dragons use magicka to cast shouts, only the dragonborn have both cooldown and free shouts (for balance issues)
@@lorenzoherreros6641 "it's a different form of magic" Very different. It's not even called magic anymore since magicka only became present when Magnus punched a dimensional hole in Mundus to get out.
@@MaliciousMollusc Its called amgic and its a form of magic. I'll quote LITERALLY by copying and pasting the phrase: ""The Thu'um, also referred to as Storm Voice[1] or simply the Voice, is a form of magic that most Nords and some others possess which utilizes the Dragon Language to form Dragon Shouts of immense power. ""
SonOfMyths73 doesn't mean he is dragon born just means he has dragon blood and not a dragons soul like the dovahkiin it may be weird but there is a difference although I do like to think of mankar as a dragonborn
@@YOGI-kb9tg There is no difference though the septims after Tiber were literally all dragonborn but their powers never manifested because there were no dragons and thus no souls to absorb
Goku Black yea no that's not how it's works they are dragonborns in name only with a couple of neat powers you don't need dragons to use the thu'um the grey beards are example of that. This is another part of the lore where Bethesda doesn't fill there own lore so we the fans have to make excuses for reasons kings and queens can use the totem of Tiber septem in daggerfall and why the septims don't use the thu'um.
@@YOGI-kb9tg You don't but it takes years of training otherwise(for ordinary humans) the point is the Septims were dragonborn but they neither trained that ability nor killed any dragons therefore that ability never manifested itself pretty much like in Skyrim before killing the first Dragon Edit: Thats why in Oblivion Uriel and Martin could wear the amulet but you couldn't
It seemed very bad to me: a bunch of assholes eating and drinking in a piss ugly building surrounded by a not so breathtaking vale. Even soul cairn had more to do
Also you know Mirmulnir? The VERY first dragon you killed? He never died. He was never resurrected. He was alive that entire time like Parthunaax and simply decided that Alduin arriving was a good time to fuck shit up.
Kiai means energy/spirit in japanese and we commonly use it in kendo, we literally shout(which is our kikai) when we execute techniques every jigeiko to score an ippon(posture + spirit + execution) and it is also a kendoka's mark that he has a high fighting spirit, the louder your kiai the higher your fighting spirit, it is also effective for intimidating opponents and as a battlecry in every jigeiko/shiai. I really love how the Akavir was inspired from the japanese culture especially the terms.
-My lord, all our troops have died. *what do you mean they died?! -well, some dude with a horned helmet sneezed and they all... Died. *By the eight! We must retreat!
imagine if the empire fought the aldmeri dominion instead of surrendering like pussies. The empire was hammerfell+cyrodill+skyrim Hammerfell alone was enought to defeat the thalmor. Am i expected to believe the empire coudlnt do it? The emperor was scared, and that pretty much it
@@wiibrockster how knowing math make me a stormcloak? Im just saying that if hammerfell could beat them, hammerfell+Skyrim+cyrodill obviously could too. Dont you agree?
Just think about a second on how powerful a Dragonborn with the Dragonred shout really is. The Dragonrend shout is specifically designed to force its target, dragons to experience mortality. But what if this applied to all beings who enjoy the benefits of immortality? What if it would even work when used upon a Daedric prince? Even if it does not work, think about the fact that this shout was made by the Tongues of ancient Skyrim. It would technically be even easier for a Dragonborn to create a completely new shout with such properties.
Nope, i myself have been doing a week long binge with a nord who believes the thu'um should be used by all. And a Breton who believes those with the thu'um should be worshiped like a god.
I really wish we could learn more about those Nordic spirit tattoos... the ones that were supposed to come to life when nords were in the heat of battle.
In the lore there is not a shouting cool down so how is a massive army supposed to defeat someone who can just fus ro dah fus ro dah fus ro dah fus ro dah fus ro dah fus ro dah
Mankar Cameron wore the Amulet of the Kings, implying he may have been Dragonborn like the emperors. That said, I do agree with the idea about not needing to be a nord or dragonborn to use the thu'um since there are other races that developed their own sound based magic, most notably the Dwemer.
The Nords lost two battles at Red Mountain because they were arrogant, and thought that, with the aid of the Voice, they could win any battle. But they fought against both Chimer, and Dwemer, while weakened by the War of Succession, of course it would end badly. Jurgen Windcaller couldn't understand this, and blamed the gods.
Nords were destined to preserve society by acting as Guardians of the Divine - They've managed to save the entire world from Alduin's wrath and hunger for Mundus twice. Truly a heart of Wood and Steel.
agreed there purpose is to protect the weak however by skyrim they are both the oppressed and best hope in restoring the third empire to glory just need to remove the mede twats and put ulfric in charge
@@lorenzoherreros6641 Well, that's completely understandable. The Writers were trying to set a continual precedent. Every race has somehow been blessed by the Divines in their goals of saving the world, but I firmly believe that Dragonborn Nords are the most concrete link to the Divines, they were created to serve as guardians of humanity.
Closing words, "While the Voice certainly holds the power necessary for an ambitious High King to conquer Tamriel, the gods would never allow it." Tough luck Ulfric, the gods are probably against you too.
With a Fus! here, a Ro! there, and a Dah! over here, we can see a horde of goats being shouted off the Throat of the World! (C'mon folks, don't deny it. We've all done it atleast once if we played Skyrim on PC) Actually, speaking of which... I wonder what the Aedra, especially Kyne are thinking when the Dragonborn just trolls with his Thuum. IE: The aforementioned goat shouting, turning ethereal just so you can skydive from the tip of the Throat of the World, calling people Melon Heads, and Bending the wills of rabbits.
Okay I know that this is really random, and I honestly don’t know why I’m talking about it here, but I’ve been formulating ideas for a writing project which is probably going to be involving the aftermath of the Dragonborn questline in Skyrim, and once the Dragonborn has left to challenge Miraak. My idea, is a war of much larger scale in Skyrim. I’m thinking of a unified Orc nation attempting to make foothold in Skyrim to even survive after being driven out of Hammerfell due to being blamed for the assassaination of the old king of hammerfell. Then the Reachmen gathering enough power to finally overtake Morthal, the Stormcloaks and Imperials still trying to drive eachother off of the map, And lastly the Thalmor making a move to advance on the frozen north after witnessing the chaos, to re-establish order and develop puppet states to maintain presence and loose control of the land. I’m thinking of a sort of “Battle of Five Armies” sort of all out war for the land, or perhaps loosely reuniting the three banners in a power struggle for the land. But not all have allegiance strictly to one side. There may perhaps be very powerful champions with their own goals for dominance... those with darker Magics and allegiances at hand. So, just curious, what do you guys think? What suggestions do you have about this? Any feedback, questions and lore info would be very much appreciated.
Jurgen Windcaller was a traitor that took away the Nord's best weapon because he was sad about loosing one battle. The Nord's mightiest moments were done when they used the voice violently, If anything they are being punished more by not using the voice for combat. Also why would one of the Nord's warrior gods give them a weapon and then get angry at them for using said weapon?
They were using it for subjugation of others. The Nords got cocky and thought that they could conquer and subjugate anyone in Tamriel which would greatly upset the balance. Jurgen realized this when he contemplated on how a mighty Nordic Army with Thuum could lose so Badly
The way you pronounce the "th" confuses my every time i watch your videos. I still can't tell what's the difference between a thalmor and a falmer. Keep going on. Your work is great.
I am currently working on making Heavily Modded Skyrim Playthrough; the RP is of an ambitious Kajiit Entrepreneur-ing Blacksmith. The Dwemer inspires this smart cat, may even directly replicate the creations of the dead race, but this Kajiit's life long plans (extending way past any timeline the game can provide) is to be a pioneer in the kind of Renaissance for the relative achievements of the Dwemer. So my question is this: at least Lore wise, could the Thum be used to reverse engineer Tonal Architecture? We know a Gray Beard literally told a patch of snow to ignore the sun. This act alone sounds like how the Dwemer made their creations literally timeless.
wish they bring back the real nord gods so the nords can be realy nords not some mix of imperial nord oh and skyrim belong to the nords by right of conquest you can't change my mind
Imagine if someone became so adept in the voice he could not only absorb souls and knowledge willingly given to him but could absorb shouts by tearing them apart with his will
Parthanax is not the only dragon left there are 3 we know of the first one was king lysandus’s dragon the second is the one in the battlespire and the third was Tiber septims personal dragon nafaleargus
So would that mean a skyrim under ulfric rule is doomed to fail as he is more then willing to use the voice as a weapon and for political change when that is exactly what you aren't suppose to use it for?
Not really, the nords only lost the way of the voice because they over used it and didn't appreciate the gods, I don't think Ulf RIC would have the same problems that the ancient nords faced
ulfric respects the gods and ancient nord traditions. the thu'um is meant to be used to venerate the gods and ulfric is using the thu'um to fight for his right to worship the nine so there is nothig wrong with that. also ulfric mentions in conversation that, while he IS willing to use the thu'um when it is called for, he does not like having to use it.
@@windhelmguard5295 yup so long as he uses it to protect his people and bring peace to tamriel the the gods will have his back and i am a dunmer and support him and former legion shoulder like ulfric. that remind me Guard we need to fortify the Docks in case of siege bridges and booby trap that entry way inform both ulfric your men and the leader of the Argonian that is all
I didn’t like the balancing for the shouts, so I tweaked it. I have 6 mods to make it more meaningful, one to level with you, a skill tree for reduction, build up, and Raw power, and one where the shouts are accounted as speech, and the more you use it, the quicker the cool down👍 I might come back to this an edit in the ones I chose:D (take a note though I am on Xbox one so I don’t know about PC;)
@@redfallxenos4585 idk about that. Redguards are protecting hammerfell pretty well on there own. The United empire wasn't able to beat the thalmor the first time around. Now they have to attack the Humans all around tamriel instead of just cyrodill. Spread their resources thin to launch an attack on Skyrim, hammerfell cyrodill and high rock. They would have to do it in each races Homeland where they know the land and can prepare defense. If the thalmor decided to take their army to one province at a time that leaves them open for a counter attack (ex thalmor attack cyrodill with their main force. While they are weaker at their Homeland redguards have an easier way to end the conflict before it returns to their province
@@GirthQuake3 It is not a problem for the thalmor to attack different provinces because they are elves and they live longer, so they have the luxury of prolonging the wars. That is why in Skyrim they provoked the civil war with Ulfric, to weaken both the Empire and Skyrim. Thus it is easier to defeat the two because they are weak.
@@void9399 generally men breed faster than mer and Ave more children. (See one of the reasons for the night of tears) so that pretty much negates the prolonged war because mens ranks replenish faster. You are still missing the point. Just because they are separate doesn't make them weaker. Hammerfell was weaker when it's soldiers were defending cyrodill. They were strong enough to push the thalmor back when they were an independent province. Also they have the benefit of exterme climates and topography in places like Hammerfell, Skyrim, and high rock. It's a lot easier to take cyrodill then it is the other provinces. Plus they will be fiercely defend by they're countryman who are built for the region. It's not a walk in the park for the thalmor no matter what way the civil war goes. And I would argue an independent provinces have a better chance of beating the thalmor.
@@GirthQuake3 lmao redguards didn't protect hammerfell on their own they had help from the empire, general decianus discharged a ton of "invalids", which are veterans of the imperial army, because he felt that hammerfell was too important to be left behind, these veterans formed the core which would drive back the aldmeri dominion's force in hammerfell, to the point that their commander has thought that the empire was still in hammerfell before she retreated. Also never forget, wars are not just based on being on the field and fighting, no, wars are also based on deception, why do you think the thalmor concocted a plan to make skyrim secede from the empire? its because they know the more provinces that the empire loses, the more it loses its strength and it would be easier for them to take over cyroodiil which provides them multiple options as to where they can attack.
I will realy, realy, realy miss shouts in the next elder scrolls game. They were so overall awesome concept. Especialy with a few mods on shorter shout cooldowns. And being an ancient dragonborn of legends was so damn awesome, finding this words of power, learning how to use them in combat effectively... You always knew there is more than just a chest with loot awaits you in the end.
Luke Douglass, They really aren't. The only time in the the "elder scrolls" lore were the Argonian race are strong was when their tree like leaders were in danger. Before that the were slaves to several different races.
Best race either Altmer, Dunmer or possibly Breton as with their natural aptitude for magic they can increase their lifespan ... With some Altmer finding affective immortality or simply living for centuries
I always thought it the way the Thu'um was portrayed in Skyrim was rather inconsistent. It's the language of the dragons, yet dragons use such a limited number of shouts in the game. They breathe fire and ice, but rarely do they do anything else. Then there's Ulfric Stormcloak, the man who supposedly "shouted apart" the High King of Skyrim, but this OP one-hit-kill shout is never seen in the game. You can slay Ulfric in battle, and he won't use anything but Fus Roh Dah. This shout is good for knocking an opponent off of their feet, but not tearing people apart like he did to the High King. The most powerful users of the voice, the Greybeards, have to keep their mouths gagged, lest they risk speaking a word and cause the castle around them to crumble. But you, the Dragonborn, who can learn to shout without meditation or practice, never rise to their level of power. The player often forgets to use shouts, they're so ineffective.
Have you seen what Unrelenting Force does when bolstered with a Black Book? It disintegrates opponents. And if you ask Ulfric, he claims to have used the Disarm Shout on Torygg before driving a sword into his chest.
6:26 6:31 actually dragons weren't hunted to extinction as many dragons survived and went into hiding or gave there servitude to the rulers of tamriel like talos who had 3 dragons under his rule like nafalilargus in the game redguard and within the lore of daggerfall the order of akatosh had some dragons in there order that were assigned to protect the King of daggerfall but they failed and in battlespire you fight a dragon who is under control of a deadra and you can find its skeleton in skyrim as we are also on the topic of skyrim we have the dragon in the soul cairn even though he is no longer part of the physical world he is still alive and the first dragon you face is also a survivor of the dragon wars as it has no burial mound and is a named dragon which all had burial mounds. Also in the new TESO exspansion we will be seeing dragons.
