The Greybeards of High Hrothgar are often regarded as some of Skyrim's most beloved characters, however today we delve into a plethora of Elder Scrolls information that suggests they were an even bigger influence than we realized.
I accidentally shouted Lydia off the side of the Throat of the World once. I swear the thing I say most often during my playthroughs is: DAMMIT LYDIA!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The fact that Jurgen Windcaller is in Sovngarde means he's a follower of Shor, not the Daedric Princes. I'd say that 17 is an important number in TES, but not necessarily related to the Daedra in Jurgen's case. The Daedric writing on his tomb is probably a bit of respect to the Chimer who defeated him at Red Mountain, thus leading him to the Way of the Voice, since the Chimer and later Dunmer use Daedric script. The line about Proudhome existing before the Tapestry makes me wonder if it's one of the Towers, like Adamantine, White-Gold, Red Mountain, and the Throat of the World. Each in its own way is sacred to Akatosh/Alkosh/Auri-el (although Red Mountain was a stronghold of the Dwemer and Chimer, it was also the place that brought Jurgen to his Way of the Voice), and each has strong associations with a Tongue, if not a Dragonborn. The fact that each potential Dragonborn is called a king in some way may be related to the Covenant of Alessia, which specified that the true ruler of the Empire would always be Dragonborn, and that so long as they wore the Amulet of Kings, the Veil would always be a measure of protection between Nirn and Oblivion (until Martin Septim's sacrifice made the Veil permanent without the Amulet). Belharza, Reman Cyrodiil, Tiber Septim, and Martin Septim were all explicitly Dragonborn, even if none of them were around with dying dragons to be witnesses taking souls. It makes me wonder if Akatosh wanted some others like Ja'Darri and the Tosh Raka to be Emperor of Nirn, but those darn ignorant mortals didn't quite understand his intentions. (Also, implications for post-Skyrim, given that Titus Mede is old, unpopular, and without an official heir; and the Mede dynasty is considered by many to be illegitimate.)
A huge smile spread across my face when you said “..in the opening quest in Skyrim..” because I am currently replaying Skyrim, hit level 26, and then headed to see the Greybeards finally because I got a bit sidetracked clearly 😂 always gives me a chuckle when you can play for dozens of hours without progressing the main story whatsoever lol. God I missed this game.
That actually makes the other quests pretty easy. Unless you’ve already killed the dragon in whiterun. I think that’s the trigger that makes other dragons appear. I’m not entirely sure though because I really feel like it was later in the quest line because I’ve done a playthrough or 2 without dragons
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I havent played skyrim in like a year and still cant get enough of the elder scrolls lore videos and mythology. Iv put thousands of hours into just skyrim alone nvm oblivion and I still find myself wanting to play them again when i watch these videos. Love this channel.
Im thousands of hours deep into ESO, and have yet to play Skyrim, though I know alot about it and Oblivion through videos. Seriously thinking it may be time for Skyrim.
Has anyone ever carried Jurgen's horn to Sovengard and tried to interact with Jurgen with it, possibly reverse pickpocketing the horn into Jurgen's inventory?
Its interesting to notice the Snow Elves also had an end of times Monastery dedicated to Akatosh.. It fell-just like the snow elves society did, but it still holds importance during an end of times event with the tyranny of the sun prophecy.
A few likes have brought me back to think about how each akatosh temple has nearby friendly dragons. Paarthurnax. Ju'Darri's dragon friend. The 2 lake dragons with their own altar in the Snow Elf temple. I assume that goes on, but it adds more to think about.
@@TheMeestLord isn't Auri-el the elf society's name for Akatosh? The elves had the same pantheon of gods as the nords, except Thalos, but called them different names. Of course, I still think it makes sense for the dragonborn to be Akatosh, and your deaths really happen, but you just turn back time after death to go back to your save points, and you absorb dragon souls.
@@djja8844 Most elves HATE Lorkhan who the Nords know as Shor their chief god. They really didn’t worship Dibella or Kynareth either. A strong argument can be made that Akatosh did not exist before the 3rd century of the 1st era when Alessia created the imperial pantheon which incorporated both elven and human deities as well as ones they shared. Shor was left out and Auri-el became Akatosh who was much more sympathetic to humans. This was done to accommodate the diverse peoples of the new empire. But Auri-el fought in the first war against the people who would become humans and Shor was on the other side and fought against those who would become the elven peoples.
24:00 Technically, High Hrothgar might've been built by either ancient Proto-Nords - those who according to legends were "created" by Shor and Kyne right there, on the top of the Throat of the World, and later moved to Atmora to become atmorans; or by Shor himself. That script might be Atmoran language. Speaking of Proto-Nords who lived in Skyrim before moving to Atmora, it was also them who had probably built the Skyforge, before the snow elves took over those territories. Because one of forms of Kyne, a goddess Proto-Nords worshipped more than any other god apart from Shor, is an eagle (or a bird of prey in general) which neatly explains its bird-themed architecture.
Here’s a mystery, I think. Has anyone ever asked where Aventis Arinteno got the body for his black sacrament ritual? Is it his mother? Or father? He is an orphan. I’m very curious
dude i just met him again last week n was wondering the same thing. it being his mom seems unlikely. i feel like her body would have been removed when he went to the orphanage. unless that's confirmed somewhere
You find a letter in the house that specifically says the steward sent a guard to escort him back to honorhall but suspiciously the guard is nowhere to be found. Yeah. He killed him
@@aedragorix o... that's a disturbingly cool theory. i dunno tho. aventis hates the orphanage so i always assumed that a guard came, took him away, and then he ran away from the orphanage after having to deal with grelog.
I’ve literally played Skyrim for like 8 years straight, and never occurred to me to return the horn to his tomb. Never knew you could get a soul from doing so. That’s awesome and good to know
Don't the greybeard take it? I haven't gotten to the point in the video you probably talking about yet, I'll prob edit this when I get to it Edit: yep just got to it, I don't think this happens, at least not on Xbox one, because you don't get the horn
@@frankcharlesiii524 It seems that the horn bugged for him and he didn't give it back upon finishing the quest but you can actually get the dragon soul by touching the tomb after the quest, so all ist well ;-)
I've done it a few times but only because i accidentally went back there while having the horn and interacting with the mantle lol. I always thought it was some fever dream till i repeated it years later again by accident.
Jurgen Windcaller's story reminds me a bit of Miraak's. A dragonborn that was defeated, then (possibly) taken in by a daedra that made him more knowledgeable and stronger. herma Mora might collect Dragonborns. since the player character goes through a similar story.
This video was supposed to come out last October so he likely had it banked and just uploaded it as is. He will probably do an update video soon. Or he might just keep uploading regular vids, keeping the content on his channel separate
At the end of each kappa, alduin returns to reap the world and allow the seeding of new life. Also Akatosh is a stickler for history repeating itself. Remnants of a previous dragon break make sense to explain why the khajiits have the same story and symbolism. Just look at the pantheons between races, the are like distorted mirrors. So too is this story. The end of a kappa began for the khajiits, and they stalled or stopped it for a time, or perhaps simply altered how the Kappa ended. Now in skyrim, the kappa yet again nears its end. alduin returns by the throat of the world, raises his army of destruction and is “slain” by the dragonborn. And so the kappa... continues? Ends? Changes? How long before histories strands unravel? Jorgen windcaller has lived before, just as the dragonborn, just as Sheogorath. The cycle begins anew.
The LDB wasn't stopping the Kalpic cycle. They were *resetting* it. Alduin had abandoned his destiny and began dominating Man, eventually seeking dominion over the entirety of Tamriel and probably Nirn. This was a problem for obvious reasons, since Alduin is the end of time and all that (like how Anui-El is the beginning of time and Akatosh is the present time). Since TES reportedly goes on into the 9th Era if you take MK's writings as canon, the Kalpa wasn't supposed to reset in the 4th. The Dragonborn was making sure that when it happens Alduin fulfills his duty instead of seeking domination over the world again.
Man, I love to see how much you love this game and how excited you sound when talking about it, that it's just contagious, got me replaying the game every time I watch one of your videos, I hope you continue to make awesome videos for us who love the lore of TES!
@@0-3-5epik A While? 11 bloody months, and yes bloody. Do you know how many times I've killed Nazeem? 1 452 times. Considering the human body has on average 1.35 gallons of blood I've spilled nearly 2000 gallons of blood waiting. But yes I'm happy he's back, I appreciate your agreement.
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I just found your videos on Skyrim V. I can't tell you how many times I play this game since it came out! Your videos add a lot of back story as well as trying new things. Thanks so much for your time and diligence for putting out this content. I just started a new game and I NEVER knew or even thought of taking the horn back!! I am this time!! Thank you!!
I guess you could say that's one of the many tiny details you _may_ have missed...in...the Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim! And with that we are going wrap up. As always like ratings are very much appreciated, and I hope to catch you all in my next comment. Peace out everybody!
I played Skyrim for really thousands of hours starting over and over again for my different classes and builds throughout the years but i didn't know about this.
@@lilianakolb2032 I don't know if you know, but when you kill Alain and get Aegisbane you can retrieve it to its owner, I discovered this accidentally when I was talking with Torbjorn about going easy on the argonians.
Hearing your voice just brought some amazing memories back. I first found your channel last year when I was purchasing my first home. I never played Skyrim before watching your videos, and you got me to play this fantastic game! Thanks for making this incredible series. It has filled up so much driving time and general listening time with all the creative lore this game has to offer!
i couldnt imagine hearing all the lore from nate before playing i bet that was a ride! lol i did that with fallout 3 though years ago and it was just great
Wow you look so young to have bought a house! I'm assuming it's in the south or maybe midwest where cost of living is lower, but I could be wrong. Congrats either way, that's no small feat these days, especially with covid and everything.
@@iapples38 Haha, thanks! I really need to update my user icon. Made this one 8 years ago. But nonetheless at the brisk age of 22 we did indeed get a house. And yes, living in the south helped a ton with that, you are 100% right. Thanks for the kind words, internet traveler!
It's worth noting that when the Greybeards grant you their knowledge of Shouts, they use the same visuals as when you absorb a Dragon Soul. It's possible that when we return the horn to Jurgen's sarcophagus, we receive _his_ knowledge- just represented as a Dragon Soul for gameplay convenience
Brother you have no idea how comforting it is to hear "Hey how's it going guys" again! It's like reconnecting with an old friend. A warm cozy, by the fire feeling. Going to the lake with your parents when you were a kid... That kind of feeling.
I believe the deadric runes on the sarcophagus are some sort of "tome" that protect his body and soul from the daedra, so that no one could use him in death or raise him from the dead, and the dragon soul you get from the easter egg is mearly his knowledge of the dragon tounge as the greybeards do the same when teaching you. I do also think that he was dragonborn, but kept that to himself.
I don't think he was a Dragonborn since the Way of the Voice is more sided towards Kyne and the ability of mortals to learn shouts, not by the blessing from Akatosh himself
Hey Nate, Wendell here. I've been a long time viewer of your channel and I am so happy to have you back. I hope the past 11 months have treated you well and you've had time to recuperate after everything that happened. Thanks for the years of entertainment man.
@@spacecocaine1823 He had to take an indefinite leave of absence for almost a year, but he's back now and he's gonna explain things in detail in a future video.
I almost screamed when I passed the thumbnail. My mind was like wait no....it couldn't be who else placed and has the text like that. I'm so hyped your back Nate damn we missed you so much man!!!!
As for the deadric runes on Jurgen's tomb, the Steel Plate armor also has deadric script on its helmet. Which translates to Nord Plate, so perhaps the ancient Nords just enjoyed labeling things in daedric script.
I mean... if you learned a new language that many respect, but is not of your own, there're many things you'd do with it during your peak of excitement from new knowledge
OK. Its brilliant. Now explain Delphine. How does she get into Ustengrad and get the Horn? She isn't Dragonborn. There is a reason the Greybeards have a poor opinion of the Blades and vice versa. How does all that fit into this deep lore?
Yes, it was definitely Bethesda and not at all Zenimax Online Studios who made the game and has been making the DLC since the beginning. Bethesda bad yes. Give internet points.
Just found your channel the other day and bro, I cant stop watching your videos like it's a Docuseries 😂. I enjoy your narrative more than I do playing Skyrim.
Nate is one of the only if not the only youtuber I have notifications on for and so I'm waiting for youtube notification for this man....and I'll probably have to wait a LOONG time
I just bought Skyrim on the switch only because you got me back into the world of Skyrim. Love the content bro been a fan for a while now hope you make more content soon
As someone who is currently working on getting myself on track in life, it's good to see you're on your feet and getting back into the swing of things. I've said it before and I'll say it again. You're epic, Nate.
I'm sure you already noticed, But something i just noticed was in the beginning scene when you meet Alduin He does the push shout at you. Which made me think of what Parthanaax says when you first meet him, When he says patience there are traditions to be held upon a first meeting of two of the Dovah and has you share you're thuum with him. Made me think that while Alduin may not like you he does atleast honor tradition. I just thought it was interesting.
One theory I'm taking a long shot towards is the dragon born is the shezerine of shor, known as lorkan to the elves. And I think the daedric princes used to follow him like he was the leader of their cult, or hero worshiped him when they heard about what he did. And so they flock to his reincarnations like flies to honey.
@@BigAutisticDaddy But then why do the Deadra still try to kill us? And why would they force us to follow them? It makes some sense and would certainly explain things but there are a few holes in your theory.
@@JonatasAdoM Yes, except the Dragonborn does not have ties to all of them. Not exactly. In fact he never engages with the most feared and powerful Daedric Prince, Jyggalag.
I didn’t realize how much I missed your videos until I got the notification you posted and literally leapt from my chair in excitement 😂 It’s really good to have you back
Welcome back Nate! We've missed you. Even though I have read almost every book in ES5 it is always a joy to hear your lore. It brings a much better understanding to the Greatest game of all time.
Hey I didn't know this was uploaded until I got your video after this one in my recommended. I had figured your channel was done making new content. Great to see you back!
i never realized how bad i missed the intro until i heard it here again. Nates videos brought me so much happiness and kept me sane through out quarantine. welcome back dude!!
you are a truly brilliant narrater with amazing videos so well researched you have absolutely incredible talent and your eye for detailed facts and the accurate supposition is quite incredible bravo I am a devoted fan
