I didn't read every reply, but BT (Brian Transeau) made a track called 1.618, which is a song in his album which I assume is a tribute to nature and science, titled This Binary Universe. Worth a listen!!!
"People used to think of limitations and boundaries as negative words, however, when you are creative and you have so many ideas coming to you, you kinda need those walls to create within" -LA
That is inherent! I tune pianos and have some knowledge of quantum physics and mathematics. It is now becoming vividly clear as to the meaning of the music of the spheres. The cyclical nature of vibrating fields of energy are always transmuted based on geometric harmonics. Sound becomes light. As above ,so below.
Oh boy I have waited so long to hear this. Now revolve the cord and and add the sub melody it will be like a fractal image. In music. The real brainwave of the new human. Where can I get the (album) And play it for my garden
beethovensg yes the rosacrutions knew that sound makes light. The Hopi beetle people played a flute and heated stones red hot But o like this bit for its Brian wave entertainment ability’s It’s a fractal. Can’t wait for more
Two enthusiastic and mutually supportive artists explaining the Golden Ratio in music ... well, so much fun. Thanks so much for putting this out to the world.
Yes, well it sounds pretty inlfuenced by "minimalism" which is what a lot of composers gravitate towards nowadays, perhaps because it somehow aligns with the Zeitgeist of our time and our current scientific knowledge and philosophical paradigms that we all (sub)consciously live in? Similar to like classicism must have felt natural to composers in the 18th-early 19th century? That might be why certain composing styles become popular or "dominant" in a certain era... just my thoughts.
Having been a quantum physics major and currently a singer songwriter, I found this very enlightening. It's almost as if you can glean something of an individuals SPIRIT by seeing/hearing where and how they compose/play/sing. I feel in love with the black keys when I was little, my singing always a little off in the rightest way. By figuring out your natural inclination/ pattern you can figure out what type of flower you are in the world.🌼🌹🌸🌷
@@billsadler3 Omgosh! I started reading that book when I was on vacation several years ago. My friend was interested, so I left it with her, with plans to get another one. Thanks for the reminder hun!😄
While she intentionally used the Fibonacci Sequence in her musical composition, I'm not so sure that the other composers mentioned, really knew what they had done. It seems to me that it is an innate ability of our senses to the rhythmic perfection of the Fibonacci Sequence and that is why we appreciate and relax within the harmony we feel when we hear it. This video made me reflect on several musical pieces that I have been drawn to and why. When I listen to music whether it be classical to rock, before a note is even played, I know the sound of that note, the tempo of that note, and the perfection of that note. It's in the synchronicity of humanity and the universe.
To me, the perfect energetic tempo in music to connect to is 144bpm(or 72bpm), is a fib number and where most peoples heart rate lies when they are doing physical activities (dancing)
I'm way into this mentality. I was explaining the golden mean to a friend of mine. And showing him how it's in nature. He didn't seem to be very interested. But later was asking me more about it. As I showed him the spiral pattern in his Sunflowers. The possibility with music is endless. Like the Mandelbrot Set. Which is based on the Fibonacci sequence.
I am 60 next month and feeling such excitement that the world has young people like you in it and will have (God willing) for many years to come. You bring such a joy in your music but most of all, in the smiles I see you sharing with one another :) Thank yooooo :)
Everyone is qualified to speak about music (just not theory). Music has 2 equally important ingredients: the intellect... and the intuition. The former is what scares people away from music. The latter can make music without instruments or training (though it might not be 'listenable' to the trained ear).
1 - "Black" 1 - "Then" 2 - "White are" 3 - "All I see" 5 - "In My Infancy" 8 - "Red and yellow then came to be" 5 - "Reaching out to me" 3 - "Let's me see" Tool
Agreed. The Phi moment of this video @ 6:17 sounds like this piece by Mannheim Steamoller from 0:28 to 0:33 and then a quick skip to 1:22 to the end. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-FrHlL8k7ouE.html I only know this because I'm a huge Mannheim Steamroller fan, especially their second christmas album which this song is from.
I really appreciate the discussion on limitations and boundaries in a creative space. It is very freeing to have a structure to create within, and conversely, lacking that can feel overwhelming.
Math in music I mean, it's there by definition, right? Octaves are doublings of frequency. We divide a piece into measures with so many beats per measure. Equal temperament 12-tone scales use the square root of 12... Bach used math to quickly improvise - just about all of his pieces are simple themes where he used basic math rules to create variations on the fly. If he lived today he'd be a hiphop DJ, going to raves every evening to make a living. Back then he went to court with his fiddle. He did write a lot of his music down, but he didn't value what he wrote down because what mattered was the math he used to create the music. There's a famous story where he used a sheet of music to wrap a fish... Heck y'all should do an ep on Bach's math. ^_^
Newbie Failmaster Exactly. I studied classical guitar at university and the idea Bach would go to raves is so ridiculous. Learning Bach, listening to Bach and studying classically leads me to believe Bach would not only stay away from raves but he would look down on it because it is beneath being considered music or art.
I think that without even counting at all some musicians intuitively anticipate and apply the number sequences and ruthyms and tones are less thought or calculated . I believe the most talent lies within someone who is both capable of the intuitive and the deliberate .
Almost 60 years ago my brother invented something he called "The Magic Sound." It was vocal training and sound systems based on the golden ratio. He wrote some music based on this. He is a theoretical physicist. He shared his knowledge with others and has never been given credit.
I think the golden ratio can be applied not only to music, but art, thought forms (for example expansion of a business model), word forms (like oratory/language skills), automotive design, architecture, engineering, and computer code, just to name a few. Great video!
Those arpeggios sound really disordered but also have some sort of order that u can expect the next note of the melody. Hence I think why the golden ratio is so important is has just the right amount of order and disorder to make things beautiful. Really want to hear a modular synthesis version of those arpeggios!!
Tool's "Lateralus" was initially called "987", because of the 9/8 - 8/8 - 7/8 riff. Then Maynard noticed that 987 is a number in the Fibonacci sequence, and out from this spiraled a masterpiece song on a masterpiece album.
I think the Fibonacci sequence is very cool and the music you made using it was beautiful. The composer you played early on seemed to have mastered it, his work was ethereal.
As a huge fan of Bartok, I already knew about the "phi" moment in the gigantic fugue that is movement 1 in "Music for Strings, Percussion, and Celesta," and how the measures leading up to that (and following it as well, if I recall) can be plausible divided into lengths corresponding to numbers in the Fibonacci sequence. But I did not know about the similar division in the solo xylophone[?] taps that begin a later movement. And I was very taken with Nahre's brief piece. As a novice composer I've been given more food for thought. Good job, guys. I'm subscribing.
@@himagnamukherjee9382 It's simply not. For one, the DNA things is wrong, because people fudge up the numbers to get the result to be phi. If you take the real measurements, the ratio is something like 1.78~, not phi. Also, more things in Nature follow different ratios than they do phi, so saying "everything" follow this magical rule is just a lie. Yeah, it appears in Nature, but so does quantities of other ratios that nobody cares about or pay attention to because they don't create cool looking spirals and patterns... The mystical status of phi as this "key" to the Universe or godly instrument is incredibly overdone. Any self-respecting mathematician will tell you as much.
Seeing the direction this channel is going, I'm impressed. I imagine sometime in the future you'd be doing episodes on genres and phenomenons around the world like comparing South Africa's Hip Hop origins with Kwaito vs US's Hip Hop Origins, and India's precise percussion and tones. This finna be litty. Thank You for this. Hope to somehow someway contribute to this amazing channel. PS: I'm about to initiate a challenge to my fellow musicians and friends to make an EP based on the Golden Ratio.
@@SarahMike147 the most enticing thing about this challenge for me is having the whole EP some how follow a sequence derived from the Fibonacci. I gotta say though this is fun as hell.
I am here because of It's Okay To Be Smart & now am here to stay. Awesome stuff....... Going to incorporate the golden ratio for my next album...... Calculator is now as important as my MIDI keyboard.
Hey Wow Cool find Really tho Mind if I join in? Because I want to know the truth Why would something like this dominate our human brains? To be honest I don't like the idea of beauty constrained to a simple math I prefer beauty to be free of such fixed numbers It seems a tad draconian Bit ironic, eh? I'm sorry Well then Yeah Bye
This is like peeking at Coltrane's brain at work with all the musical math of Slonimsky and metaphysical of Sun Ra and Alice Coltrane going on in his mind and body.
Haha, @@SoundFieldPBS, figured you wouldn't go down that track and respect you for that. Awesome videos have been made about that song already. Love your videos as well. You guys are doing great!
When the “phi moment” of a piece of music arrives the listener hasn’t heard the rest yet, so has no way of perceiving that it is a phi moment. So the golden ratio can only effect music we have heard before.
Or, with much of the excitement and beauty of music coming through anticipation, perhaps the phi 'change' point allows you to instinctively know when it's 'supposed' to be complete?
I notice it in nature everywhere. I hadnot thought of it with regards to sound. Although while studying flamenco in Spain there was a bird that lived in my courtyard who chirped out very flamenco ish rhythms. Amazing. Mesmerizing.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong cause this is crazy. I liked the idea of the phi moments in music. It's true that a lot of great music has some dramatic change or climax somewhere between the middle and the end, but I was skeptical to think that they are determined by a mathematical equation. I tested out some popular songs. I liked the under pressure example, so the first song I tested was bohemian rhapsody by queen, often considered queens best, and one of the greatest songs of all time. 6.04min = 362.2sec, × 0.618 = 223.83 or 224sec, about 4.14min. Go listen to bohemian rhapsody and tell me what happens at 4.14! Epicness!
I don't know how I got here, but as a musician, painter, and math enthusiast, RU-vid finally got the algorithm correct this time. I'm glad it did. Thanks! ♥️
2:08 To swing on the spiral, to swing on the spiral, To swing on the spiral of our divinity And still be a human. *First!* to make a *tool* reference! *',:*D*
Math is often referred to as the “language of science.” Interesting how music is written (so to speak) in math as well. Art and science are often viewed as being so different but they have more in common than most realize. Really cool video guys 👍🏽👍🏽
A pine cone has a double spiral, one angled slightly more than the other often in Fibonacci sequence. The cone releases a winged seed and the seed has a double spiral, In the seed's DNA is a double helix or a double spiral. The branch that the cone grew out of has a double spiral and at every intersection an event occurs, a pine needle grows. When a tree splits in half a spiral is revealed from its growing pattern. Since noticing this I have never been able to see the tree without thinking of its divine Nature.
Trees are amazing to observe, a bit off-topic but have you also noticed how trees in winter resembles a human circulatory system, or an explosion of electricity out of the ground?
Try the term 'constraint'. Time is like a picture frame for music. It's the window through which we experience the creation. I'm beginning to think that human history also follows Phi.
A fun exercise to try : Whenever you encounter the word "nature" in this video, just slip in the word creator/creation and the sentence will sound just as good as was intended.
I like learning and I love music so this is great. Now I understand why some pieces just feel right even if it's a type music that is less interesting most of the time.
Golden ratio appears in dentistry. The visible width of each adjacent tooth should be 1.618 times the next tooth back as you move away from the midline.
Well done. As we listen further to "ancient" music that emerged from the forests, deserts, oceanic communities, I become increasingly curious as to how the communal Fibonacci experience is expressed, polyphonic singing of the Bayaka in Central Africa Republic , for instance, may well not be separated from the natural environment and is a direct expression of the primary relationship of the random and well organized development of Life. The "live" communal, shared performance in the natural environment of music is much needed today. And I fear that in our having separated ourselves from the natural environment, we are responding to the human condition as if in a hall of mirrors, reflecting the musical memes that have little to no relation to "reality". The very atoms of the natural environment quietly and discreetly display sounds that are imperceptible but for the remaining Song Birds, vibrant flora and fauna and their mortal sequences.
What you guys were talking about at the end of the this video really got me thinking. Have you guys ever heard of the Oulipo artistic movement? It was all about creating art by imposing certain limitations or restraints on the creative process. For example, a French named Georges Perec author wrote a book called La Disparition, an entire novel that uses the letter E exactly 0 times, which is as hard in French as it is in English, being the most commonly used letter in French. It was even translated into English as "A Void" (which I'm sure was a special kind of torture for the translator! 😂)
I just did that calculation on my favorite song "In The Mood" by Glenn Miller...My Mind is BLOWN right now!!! It happens right where it goes from a hard driving Forte sound to a nice pianissimo...Then if you take the calculation from there to the end it happens again where it reverts back to the forte hard driving!!! This is absolutely amazing!!!
This is going to be the best math class I have ever taken in my entire life! I wish you guys could be my teachers during my school years, you could have taught challenging subjects in math in an enjoyable way like no other with this open-mindedness and high-level interaction! Thank you so much for this celestial, philosophically sublime and enchantingly beautiful, mind-expanding episode! Big love and respect! I really liked Nahre’s original piece, Ravel-esque and unique at the same time! I’ll try to create something with this cool “Phi Moment” too! Amazing as always! ♥️🙏🙌🎶😊
Sound Field Sound Field Challenge accepted! 😃 I’ll send my take on Trap music! I hope you can check it! That episode was amazing as well and I grew up by listening to Outkast, T.I. and other ancestors of the genre, they were my childhood, literally. I will make a beat and send it to you but it might take a little longer, plus I am going to try composing a piece that is influenced by this golden ratio episode! Thanks so much! You are so cool guys!
Math is music. Music is our innate unconscious mental/emotional manipulation of math. I love your mathematical (fibonacci) composition. It is a conscious manipulation of math to make beautiful music. Thanks!
You're seeing the Carbon Atom. It's a Tetrahedron. Tetrahedrons are golden ratios. Golden ratios mathematically speaking (pi & phi) are circles as there is no ending to the sequence they keep going and going, so it can be said they are vibrating. Said another way, it's an amplifier of energy. Wrap a wire from a Tetrahedron from its apex to its base and you'll have the Fibonacci sequence. Beautiful isn't it? You're seeing and hearing the building block being expressed of our reality, Carbon.
I definitely believe that some of the best music out there uses the golden mean. I have not mathematically calculated my compositions but I always keep in mind my Structure and create space for the climactic moment about 3/4 of the way in then piece.
I naturally gravitate to these tones. Being a drummer our fills are the golden ratio. I have had parents tell me I healed their kids when they heard and watched me play. I can put a person or babies to sleep playing drums. Not due to boredom but frequency synch.
Around 9:00, what you say about limitations, YES. The puzzle is necessary or the composition process is just...it could be anything and that's what makes it overwhelming. I remember the phi moment in a Gabrieli piece I played when I was in a brass band. I wonder if, in marches, the trio is the phi moment sometimes? Or the re-statement of it?
It may be too obvious to include but Tool's Lateralus is literally based on the Fibonacci sequence. The syllables go up and down in the sequence and describe the sequence in it's lyrics. Check it out!
