It would have been interesting to see if a clone of the emperor on an iron throne could have reduce the drain of Dark eldar souls. Theoretically this could have reduced the frequency of raids, maintained the imperial iron throne as well as further contained the warp. But probably with some pretty hefty unforeseen issues.
I think im pretty sure i heard somewhere that Trazyn the Infinite could revive the Emperor and fix the throne or something. Idk. All i mostly remember was just Trazyn speculating that he could probably do a better job of keeping the Emperor alive than the Imperium. He also speculated on kidnapping the Emperor too.
Love how the custodes were immediately cycling up their weapons as soon as they understood the implications of this they were straight up ready to kill no questions
Knowing that the capital city of the Dark Elves is literally holding on by a thread from daemonic incursions despite being a near impenetrable fortress fills me with a maniacal joy.
It fills me with maniacal dread. For, if the Drukhari, with all the relentless might of their dark genius and the unrivaled strength of their boundless creative powers, can't hold back the daemonic attacks against their most fortified and protected citadel, then the Imperium has no chance whatsoever. May the Emperor's protective light shine brightly forever upon Terra.
Actually they are less competent at it than humans are. Their souls already belong to Slaanesh, and they are deeply corrupted + absolutely terrified of chaos at this point. Fa more than human forces are. Drukhari have a very complicated relationship with chaos, and I guess it affects their ability to fight it efficiently@@larrywilliams3313
@@larrywilliams3313 They can't hold back the daemons because Commorragh exists in the Webway and after the Great Rift opened, areas daemons could get through to the city also opened. Fortunately the Imperium doesn't exist in the Webway and what happens to the drukhari is pretty much completely irrelevant to the Imperium.
@larrywilliams3313 The worst part is that the Emperor can beat any demonic legion. The Emperor would heal near-instantly if he got off the throne (he is a Perpetual, after all, and his original wound is no longer chaos-tainted...or in existence). However, getting up would turn off the Astronomicon, leaving all of Humanity outside of Terra, or perhaps the whole Sol system, to the predations of Chaos.
Too bad they didn't plan ahead and trick the Dark Eldar by scrubbing all of the Emperor's DNA. They could have planted someone else's DNA to really mess with the Dark Eldar.
Wonder if giving the DNA of a Chaos Space Marine could be like some sort of Trojan Horse for Chaos to enter their lovely city, I guess the genetic material of one of the traitor Primarchs (even if collected before they fell) could be used that way but who knows if it would be wise to give those sort of toys to those abominations.
And a Necron walks into the throne room, with a strange box in one hand and a spinning conglomerate of all sorts of tools, as the other hand. As he walks up to throne, no device, he says, "You've seen a tough 10,000 years. Haven't you?", but he wasn't talking to the Emperor Corpse. He was talking to the damn machine. Out of his tool hand comes a wire that links up with the throne. He laughs, and then he jokingly says, "Is that's what all the fuss is about?". He walks around to the back of the throne, gets down on his knees, and bends over. And, just like an ancient plumber looked, he has a split where a human's ass would be, but you can only see the top of the split. The rest is covered up with his clothing. Within minutes, he pops up, starts waving his tool hand, as if as a jester of goodbye, and says, " See you in another 10,000 years...lol!!!". And, all was, well.
I honestly wouldn't put it past Trazyn to have a deal with the emperor to preserve humanity's greatest should anything happen to them in return for not stealing the throne but repairing it
Given how that machine works, it wouldn’t just clone the emperor, it would steal him from the imperium, it would take his soul Although that being said as well, being sat on the throne alone is not enough to staunch the flow - it is by the emperors will that Terra is protected, and by the emperors will he is under no obligation to defend the xenos
@@jc7997aj and Terra would be flooded with Daemons from his toddlers webway, the astronomicon would go dark and countless ships would be lost, many worlds would starve with their supply ships lost, and of course no reinforcing regiments could make it to the frontlines around the imperium allowing the xenos to progress on every front no matter how desperately critical Sounds great
Another really great trilogy by Black Library. I really enjoyed these books, it really gave us a good behind the scenes look at the Golden Throne and how complex it is and the scale of it.
@@SandmanofTerra I agree as well it was fascinating to read about the unhealthy grey skin color and overall base level of sickness on Tera, as well as the generalized examples of life on Tera. I eagerly await the next book in the series to see where they are going to go with this next. As well as how it plays out within the rest of the current setting.
Also in regards to the dark eldar. Not only are they fighting the demons in the tear but there is also a genestealer cult growing in the Dark City as well and even tho it is known it hasn't been purged or even fought yet as far as im aware. I also think a few Lectors got lose from the area pits as well. Only a matter if tike before the hivemind gose looking for webway gates 😮
oh boy finally theyre gonna get their ass whooped instead of the empire doing the same retarded mistakes over and over again 😂 cant wait for a "well well well how the turntables have turned" moment for a lictor in the dark city
What is this "grim darkness of far future" he spoke of and why/how did drukhari kill all those members of custodes, mechanicus and inquisition? Is this part not explained and just presume all killed "somehow" since no one ever returned?
Imperium would have to align with the necrons to defeat chaos if the throne fails. Necrons could extract a rather large payment for aiding humanity in their war. It would be a first born child kind of deal, necron minds transferred into human babies to regain their souls and lose their mortality. Necrons would essentially homogenize with humans creating an ultimate power in the galaxy.
Could the throne be Necron tech with a horrible purpose. Given that it is really good at drawing psycher energy and focusing it, could it have been initially meant to drain Eldari and power a weapon? Could it be meant to consolidate Eldari soul energies to give renewed life to a Necron lord, thereby reversing biotransference?
Huh. Not a bad idea. What with Necrons being space Egyptians, I wouldn’t be surprised if their pre-transference tech looked more glorious than the gloom it currently adopts.
I don't think the psychic drain would make sense as a method of restoring life but the battery theory is quite plausible. Issue is what or who would power it? An eldar god?
The authors intentionally make it ambiguous as to what tech it is. Most likely, it is a mix of Eldar and Old ones tech. Because it works with using psychic energy.
"What price?" "19 billion innocents." ".." "Sir, 200 billion would perish instantly if the Throne fails. Projections suggest quadrillions if Sol is consumed. From there it gets worse." "Woe unto Planet XYZ." "Indeed."
Do you think this series will come around and touch upon the *_Terminus Decree?_* It is the Grey Knights most guarded and mysterious artefact. A sacred parchment with a rare seal/insignia that cannot be found anywhere else in the Imperium EXCEPT on the Golden Throne! If the Golden Throne holds back the warp and an endless tide of Daemons - but is now failing; then maybe the incorruptible Daemon-hunters with the Terminus Decree is the key to saving the day...?!
Spoilers from Horus Heresy Series: According to the Horus Heresy Series, the Terminus Decree concerns the anti-astartes phage developed by the mad scientist Basilio Fo. The information was gathered by Malcador the Sigillite and telepathically passed onto his Chosen, Khalid Hassan. So it's like a kill switch for the astartes.
Spoiler Alert - The terminus decree is nothing more than a biological weapon that destroys gene seed. A last resort, a ultimate weapon to undo the Emperor's work and destroy all Astartes. Traitors and loyalists alike. No idea how that could help against Drukhari.
My recollection was that it's heavily implied terminus decree was valdor's genetic nuclear bomb from the horus heresy books. They never explicitly connect the two but it would make sense the knights errant as the successors to malcador would inherit that knowledge before later becoming the inquisition and Grey knighta
I thought they were going to clone the emperor and draw his soul to the new body on commoragh. Honestly if that happens Emps could get a new fully healed body
it's the drukhari, they wont fully clone the emperor, only just enough to make sure they can make a puppet that siphons the actual emperor's power to seal the rift in their city
It's so good to find a channel with some much Emperor of mankind lore on it, some do it every now and then but you do it sooooo much more often an that's what's needed because there is so much lore about him even if it's just a fee pages in a book it always has way more meaning than initially thought.
Perhaps the Dark Eldar intend to use another warp entity to inhabit the clone perhaps the Starchild? I believe some of the Primachs have been confirmed to have blended souls like the dark/light angels in Sanguinius
not sure a pure warp entity would work, it could be you need a physical body to be bound to the throne, if not for it to work, then to prevent the entity for leaving
Magnus the Red could probably withstand the Throne. Alot of folk have speculated that is why the Emperor originally told Russ to bring Magnus back to Terra.
@@SandmanofTerra Gorgias is an icon, I one day hope to have my cranky grandfather imbued into a hovering robot that follows me around saying what I assume is vaguely racist shit.
@@quisqueyancomrade4968Ah, but you forget the whole purpose of Gene Seed. Gene Seed is more the genes of the source than the current bearer, and although it would be slightly tainted by inferior genes, the drukhari are desperate. Maybe that tiny amount of taint is too much, and the clone would be too unstable? We'll never know, I guess.
This somewhat reminds me of Alfabusa Warhammer 40k TTS much later episodic plots of Asdrubael Vect (the supreme overlord archon of Commorragh) to utilise the Star Child possessing and overriding Fyodor Karamazov to satiate the perpetual thirst of Slaanesh into Dark Eldar's webway system and permanently shields and nourishing the entire Drukhari populations
A lot of the new lores books have an Alfabusa themes to them. It is really contrast over the books and lore prior to TTS. I'd say too much ! TTS works as a satire and parody embracing it's non-cannon. That doesn't work as a lore setting for player to build there own stories.
Damn, they really should’ve gone to the craftworlders. The moment I heard, “Drukhari,” at least the Craftworlders would’ve been less likely to fuck you over.
I would take """heretical""" plotlines that moves the story forwards into something newer and refreshing with stakes and eventual conclusion (sooner or later) over stagnating storyline that doesn't develops anything to 40K's End Times And just like Alfabusa's TTS 40K Emperor to the redeemed Magnus' jokes, there's needs of movements and progressions to achieve goals instead of going around and around and around like a poor dementia patient in dire need of treatment
The Fabricator General, smoking a cigarette, on the vox with the Chapter Master of the Custodes. "So... have you tried turning it off and back on again?"
So it's quite possible that the Mechanicus is leaderless at the moment, that could lead to very interesting developments, we could see who is lying now, Cawl or Cawl inferior and finally determine if his ego is bigger than his common sense.
I swear they can bring the Emperor back without losing Terra with the "help" of the nids. The Nids are on their way to Terra and with them the bring their inherent "shadow in the warp". This will prevent Daemons from coming through the portal. If the Emperor is killed and reborn through his clone while the Nids are near Terra it would prevent Chaos from invading. This Also would bring the Emperor as the leader of man to counter the Silent King, the 4 major chaos gods, the Hive Mind. I don't GW will do it, but the pieces are there to make it happen and cleanly. Also, Guilliman could maybe win a fight against a major player in the Nids, he loses like Arhiman sometimes with only luck pulling him out, see his fight with Magnus or Mortarian.
Honestly I don’t think they will. The books with Lion El’Johnson returning imply the Emperor doesn’t want to be healed cause that would be a long term detriment. Which when you consider how people reacted when they met Guilliman when he returned and how a civil war is starting to brew. Big E’s return could shatter mankind. Unless he keeps his return a secret and basically starts to restore Humanity’s technology piece by piece, or somehow drains the Tyranid hivemind while using the shadow in the warp it creates as shield in order to ascend to full godhood on the level of the four then I think the Nids making it to Terra would spell disaster.
@@spartan8090 He could also use the shadow to repair the whole to the warp he has been sealing all this time. This would let GW drag out his "healing" and extend the life of the golden throne. I don't think the Imperium is anywhere near a civil war that a lot of people make it out to be, it's always been on a knifes edge also Guilliman and the Lion win get along just fine. The Space Marine's moving back to Legion strength later on will be a far bigger problem as the Codex has be thrown out and the 100 limit lifted and that may start a conflict. In the end I just see not using the Shadow in the warp a waste of a good plot device.
I don't think the Shadow in the Warp affects the Webway at all, and the daemons attacking the webway gate in the dungeons beneath the throne are coming through the webway, not the warp. Also, if the Emperor's soul is drawn to the new body cloned by the Dark Eldar, he will then be in Commoragh and not on Earth, not powering the Astronomicon, holding the webway closed, or anything else he does. At which point, goodbye Earth. Even if not, then you would still have a Hive Fleet on the doorstep, so again, goodbye Earth
@@dahn57 The light of the Astronomicon will most likely get blocked the moment the Nids reach the Sol System as the Shadow will cover it. It's also known that the Throne is failing and only has maybe a century or 2 of life left. While I don't think GW will bring the Emperor back with the Nids, Guilliman needs to show up as he pretty much got his butt kicked by Magnus and Mortairan. Guilliman did show the Emperor can work through others while still be on the Golden throne with enough power to set Nurgels garden on fire and bring Guilliman back from the God Blight.
This Emperor clone would fail in my opinion. For them to be perfect, it would need the Emperor's soul. The reason Dark Eldar cloning is so great is because the Haemonculi take their client's soul and just put it into a cloned body. Doing this with the Big E. would require extra steps. And let's just say neither the Emperor nor the Custodes are going to be stocked about this. B/
They could probably do it from a distance, the inquisitor was losing his soul for even just getting a bit of blood mixed with the haemoncoli, imagine a customcrafted device in comorragh built just to siphon the emperors soul
I have a feeling they're just trying to keep the emperor from dying, cause he did make a deal with chaos gods, and his soul most likely will go into the wrap, and get used by chaos gods.
considering his soul already is in the warp and fucking shit up in a major way there, i doubt the chaos gods could actually "use" the emperors soul at all. its canon that they almost completely refuse working together, and 1v1, none of them would stand a chance, and only khorne would be stupid/proud enough to even try
Big's E's soul unleashed into the warp would Kill the 4 gods but humanity would die in the ensuing collapse of Terra and void-travel. Thats why Chaos is the way it is, its a fine balancing act. The Emperor is a threat but as long as he is on the throne, he is a "manageable" threat. Thats why they keep throwing endless daemons at the Warpgate on the Throne, to stop the Emperor from dying and using his perpetual ability to heal himself. Ofc this is only just kicking the can down the road, Sure Big E can't move against them directly whilst bound to the throne, but he also grows in power for every day he is sat upon it. After 10,000 years, Big E has devoured over 3,650,000,000 psykers at this point - that is an obscene amount of power in one being... and thats not even including the faith of the Imperial cult in the warp channeling even more power into him.
@@Makorzeso basically, it's either fight him now, and risk kick starting the War in Heaven Part 2: Chaotic Boogaloo, or keep him on his gaming chair for now, and deal with him later (when he's stronger).
Scenario: A vast swarm of Tyranids invades the galaxy, covers large amounts of the galaxy in the shadow, they invade the Sol system, covering the golden throne in the shadow. Something kills the Emporor or he lets go and is reincarnated but the shadow blocks the warp from knowing what happening. He leads a second Great Crusade to reunite the remaining humans and Primarchs , takes back Sol, and rules the Empire of Man once more!
@@SandmanofTerra Understandable! As long as it feels dramatic and sombre, it should fit. Just matching the grim dark theme of 40k. For me, as soon as the soundtrack crosses into action/adventure movie themes, the video loses a bit of it's punch. Though again. You have my full understanding that that's easier said than done!
It'd be the "Age of Devouring". It would be, well... Chaos would initially devour most of the Human worlds, along with the Eldar, Tau, Ork, etc. However, Chaos is self-limiting; without the raw suffering of Humanity, they starve. This leads to a combination of the Tyranids and Necrons. Now, the Necrons are weak to Chaos, and many would find themselves dying a final time as most of their tomb worlds get overrun, but many more are undiscovered. The Necrons will come back, stronger than before. The Tyranids, however, do not find the Necros that tasty, and will basically starve. Especially as they don't actually see the planets, but have to be called by genestealers to find the way. No humans means no genestealers, so maybe they will find a different galaxy. Now, the Orks. Without humans being a major threat, they would just ignore humanity for a while. If they survive, the Tau might discover primitive human worlds, and so they might become Humanity's guardians... permanently.
@@SandmanofTerrawasn't magnus pushed into the webway by the eldari when he was fighting gorillaglue.?! I always thought that was obvious to everyone what they are planning now.. Magus will take the chair willingly after a few gags and clamps in the dark city.. Not to mention that sitting on that throne will bring this demon primarch to mythical levels of power..
Honestly, creating another of The Emperor's kind is a pretty easy feat for the Emperium. A thousand pskyers is literally a single day's sacrifice to the throne (if not less) and even if that number were to go up by a million, the juice would be well worth the squeeze. While this prince would be nothing compared tot he Warp God the Emperor has become, even the ascended Emperor was mighty enough to bring a legion of 100k space marines to their knees in an unencumbered display of might. Even if the Emperor's origin are a mystery to Emperium, its surprising the inquisition hasn't accomplished the feat by accident.
That ad segment killed me, I almost choked on my lunch at "Family" asdfghjk But I'm guessing these events are taking place after the events of Gathering Storm. When the birth of the Yncarne and Yvraine being chosen as its emissary caused the barrier in the webway to shatter. I knew of these books, but this clarifies when they're taking place better now.
So what's fascinating about Chris wraights works, is that the vaults of terra series, the regents shadow series, run at the same time of gathering storm! It's very cool
@@SandmanofTerra ah so it was planned out this way. I love that they made all these different serieses coherent with one another! And it makes sense, cause I expect the drukhari would try and fix a literal hell portal in their home as soon as possible.
Stopped the DE from making a clone Emperor they didn’t previously know about, but *nevertheless* threw away what may have been the only chance to save the original. This could have used a bit more deliberation.
No way dude, you cant trust the dark eldar. You dont trust the rape-torture-loving-evil-jerkbag-dark-eldar with the repair of technology you dont understand to keep your mosr important leader alive. I guarantee you, 100% they would screw over the emperor and mankind, just for fun
Knowing how grim dark the setting can be, I still hold hope, a picolitre of hope, that the khan was able to rescue the seemingly lost custodes and mechanicus. And a picolitre is one millionth of a microlitre (10^-12). Those custodes don't come cheap by the way. The lost of one would bankrupt an imperial world, the loss of many would result in a depression that would last 60,000 years.
Great video, mate. I usually hate when RU-vidrs do warhammer narration but this wasn’t bad. No silly voices, no weird accents (or not too many at least). All in all, well done Sandman~
HOw daft will people feel when the Tryanids reach Terra and tell people how to fix the Golden throne. (Quite simple really, a fuse is in the wrong socket). Then they bugger off .
If the emperor uses the golden throne to act as a sort of beacon for space navigation how did people get around before he was placed into the golden throne? There was a time period after chaos but before he was in the throne when they still traveled through space and ships would need to be able to navigate. How was that (space navigation )possible before he (emperor) provided that service with the golden throne?
@@SandmanofTerra In the Early Crusades though, when the Emperor was out and about searching for the Primarchs, how was the Astronomicon powered then? Because it was not until after the Emperor was permanently installed upon the Golden Throne that they discovered that there was the places for the psykers to be drained, so it can't have been that. And the Emperor was out in the galaxy, so it wasn't him...
Listen, all I'm saying is that Robutte, who started the Indomitus Crusade, probably was the catalyst for the Khornate Daemons showing up. After all, he was bringing war in his wake, and Khorne is there in the War.
My personal theory is that if they manage to make a being of sutch Psychic might suffer unimaginable torture that the dark eldar near him will get a massive power boost and possibly even get rid of Slaanesh's claim on their soul.
Was not expecting this voice to come from this guy 🤣 I've heard so many of ur shorts and always pictured something soooo different 🤣 like for starters older and a huge beard honestly!! Lol
The Drukhari keeps looking down on humanity. And humanity keeps finding out about their stuff and countering their plots. The Drukhari, that looks down on humanity, has to first disable the worlds defenses to have a chance at raiding a world, and hope that no rescuing force arrives, much less an Astarte force or a veteran Imperial force.
@@anari234 Ye, but I don't mean that. It's that they go uppety being like a super advanced tech race, and say things lke the mon'keigh are so pathetic, stupid and weak. Than despite the tech they get out witted, defeated by guardsman, and oh boi if a more so primitive space marine chapter finds them.
So the book does talk about this a little bit. For this instance, it would be a copy so doesnt need his soul. Not sure if it would get its own soul. But it essentially would love a torturous existence
@@SandmanofTerra Isn’t the soul the source of his power? Sure a clone of his body would be impressive but like the cloned primarchs probably missing potency in the immaterial department.
Something with Druki tech wizardry, they just needed a husk for their chinese knockoff throne and the simulacrum made from his dna should be enough to power it with divine suffering and save Commorragh
@@PatienceKiss"Chinese knockoff"? Look, I'm as bad at Mandarin as the next Westener, but I'm pretty damn sure the Chinese didn't murder-fuck a brand new Chaos God into existence. Let's leave our fellow humans out of the Xeno's sacrilegious actions.
I think the Emperor wasn't created by the shamans, like Cawl did with others, they bound their souls to the Emperor to be able to influence and steer him because as humans they couldn't. Creating what the Emperor is today, a multi souled being. The Shard is the original Emperor and what remains is the compilation of multiple souls including Malcador and all those who sacrificed, unwittingly causing madness to him because all of the souls and their personalities are fracturing him and drove him insane. Malcador obviously knew that's what could happen but he only did it once and likely hoped that he would only need to do it once to revive him, he didn't anticipate they continue too do it if it failed.
The golden throne is just fancy junk while the “god” emperor is nothing more than expired food. The Great Devourer will take a sniff, wince, then eat the corpse.
That story tramples all over the lore just to make the setting even more just about humanity. The eldar at the hight if their power could bring forth their gods into the material realm. The best the emperor could manage was to make demigods with a huge amount of help. Also the golden throne only needs the emperor or Magnus atop it because it was an imperfect adaption of technology never designed for humans to use. Ps love your deep dives, only just found your channel and am very happy about it!
I think the warp emperor and the emperor on the throne are separate entities. The emperor on throne must die and reincarnate before the warp emperor becomes to powerful!
Abadon knows he has to save humanity by slaying the mortal form of the emperor. Big E is the only one that can stop the apotheosis of the warp emperor/slanesh 2.0.
that, actually a really interesting idea. what if throne emperor actually did get revived at one point in the future, but his soul had evolved to be something entirely different than just the emperor's might? what if the emperor warp entity, is actually a chaos god of order as belief in the imperial cult has imprinted the warp with the thoughts and worship of humanity? this would be the greatest plot twist of all time as if big E is revived and yet an emperor warp god exists at the same time due to the imperial religion supporting it. having two emperors with very different natures would be really interesting to explore. would also explain quite a lot of things
My theory is that the Emperors soul was shattered like Magnus but he can’t put it back together as the various versions of the Imperial creed have changed the pieces so they can’t be put back together, like a jigsaw where someone changed a few pieces.
@@sovietunion7643that would be an amazing plot twist, especially knowing the Emperor sees religion and faith as one of the greatest dangers. He would surely try to destroy the religionized warp emperor
Fabulous Bile got an excellent portfolio when it comes to successful cloning. I would have gone to him before the Drukari. Actually, I would go to orks before drukari. Or Tyranids. Or Necrons. The point is - Drukari are the last option, just before straight up begging Chaos tumours for help.
It's quite funny actually in the novel. They don't think the drukhari delegation is very large initially. But as soon as shit hits the fan, 100s of drukhari basically just appear out of nowhere! Worth noting we don't actually see Nevradarans death, so theres always the possibility that he survived somehow
