The Gothic Migrations, why did the Goths go to Spain? 

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When i was a goth i got arrested for being a vandal.😂

I love the way you edit your videos. It is very impactful.

Brilliantly well researched video. A whole new lesson in history for me. Thanks!

I would rate your depth of research coupled with interpretaion of events about the best I've come across on the tube.

Hello Ben, stupendous video. At 1:17 the words brigade and brigadier come to mind

A lot of work went into this. Nice.

I Llove your videos Dr Llylwelyn. Very well documented.

Love your videos You have a soothing voice with s as n excellent grad of language keep at it young man…:)

I truly enjoyed this

excellent!

Im quite impressed by your research and the information. I have 2 questions: do you have any reference to the Gothic migration and contacts with the Scythians. And when will you follow up this video with the Ostrogoths. A third question: what happened to Fritigern?

Hola Ben ...una buena historia ..contada estupendamente ...espero con ansia el video que hables de los visigodos en España.... gracias por el video un abrazo ....

I’m enjoying some of these Dacian/Thracian comments, it’s incredible to witness. It’s literally just the we wuz kangs meme.

Just some small, helpful advice about Spanish: whenever you see a vowel with a tilde (accent mark), that is the syllable you are supposed to stress. for example, the word you used, "látigo", you would pronounce LAH-tee-goh. Otherwise, very good content, cheers.

How long did it take you to make this video?

I think the Goths learned a lot of about cavalry tactics from the Huns, which they used to great affect against the Romans at Adrianople.

Well....in your material Ben, you present several maps and at 7:44 you have one where it shows where the Goths were located. But that land used to belong to the Getae. Cesar wrote that western borders of the Getae were from the mountain side of Hercynian forest to the west as far as Tyragetae. Strabo and Ptolemy say that too and according to Tacitus, Dacia was bordering Germania. Ptolemy also said that Dacians were also on upper Vistula up to Baltic sea. During the Roman empire, under the name of Sarmats were known all the Scythian peoples which were a Thracian as well and all were speaking the same language as the Getae according to Stephanus Byzantinus. Jan Dlugosz writes that when the first Slavs came in those territories they encountered an older population there that was speaking a Romanic language but different than Latin. About the same language but spoken also in northern Germania we know from Suetonius and Cassius Dio so Jordanes might be right after all when he writes that the Goths were the same peoples as the Getae. Even the names of the Goth kings: Roderic, Alaric, Theodoric, were old names which derive from the land which now is Romania...Roderică, Alarică, Tudorică. Those names got germanized because they could not pronounce letter ,,ă'' so it was easier to leave it out. Even Isidore of Seville writes that people of the Goths is a very ancient one and is deriving directly from ancient Getae and Scythian people that despise death and praise the wounds.

Suebi first mention in history is when Caesar beated Ariovistus. Ariovistus was a neigbour of the dacians and wanted to become an ally of Burebista( wich was of concern for the Roman's).

The most Eastern Germanic tribe became the most Western one. They migrated from Southern Ukraine all the way to Spain and Portugal. Maybe they were so traumatized from the constant bloodshed in the Eurasian Steppe, that they wanted to get away as far as possible.

The sense I got while studying the Gothic and Dacian related history is that they did mix in parallel with the Roman occupation in the unconquered Dacian territories. Nicolò Zeno's work (On the Origin of the Barbarians - Venice 1557 AD) has a few quotes of Gothic kings which seem to identify Diurpaneus (Decebal's father) as one of their own also; if authentic the phenomenon of Goths identifying with Getae wouldn't be unique to Jordanes. And let's not forget that emperor Caracalla enacted memoria damnatio against the use the Getic derivatives (Geta; Getic; Gets; etc.) which was to be punished by death, it's probably a safe bet to conclude that all the Getae of the Empire began identifying as Goths after that point so rather than the Goths identifying with the Getae in this case it's more probable that the Getae identified as Goths. And I don't remember by which ancient historian it was given but there's a quote about the Goths being the most famous among the barbarians which led to the Romans calling the majority of them as such regardless of their actual affiliation. Then there's also that thing which I mentioned on a previous video about the Romanian Calus dance and the English Morris dance being very similar down to the traditional clothing; which the Dacians might've brought to England while the Goths are credited with bringing it to Spain.

The Visigoths crossed the Danube and entered the Roman Empire as refugees, running away from Attila and the Huns. Along with them came a large number of other tribes, both Germanic and non-Germanic (like the Alans). The Romans granted them asylum, but had them living in very precarious conditions. So the Visigoths, in sheer desperation, marched against Rome and raided the city. As ransom, the Romans offered them the lands south of Bordeaux.Then Attila reached the French Landes and the Romans gathered a huge coalition to face them, including the Visigoths and dozens of other tribes. They were victorious. As a reward, the Visigoths were offered what today is the southern half of France. But the Visigoths were pushed south of the Pyrenees by the Franks. There they met the Suebi, who had established the first kingdom of Europe (also the first Christian kingdom, not counting Armenia). The Suebi had expelled the Vandals and the Alans to Africa and fought the Visigoths for a couple of century to be eventually defeated. But the Suebi were Catholics and the Visigoths Arianists. So the Pope sent the Francs against the Visigoths again, who were defeated one more time. This defeat triggered a huge crisis amongst the Visigoths and ultimately lead to civil war. The losing faction called the Vandals from the Kingdom of Tunisia to their aid. But the Vandals had been absorbed by the Arab Empire and so half of the Visigoths and their allies converted to Islam in order to deserve the help. This was the end of the Visigothic Kingdom as such and the beginning of the Arab rule in (most of) Iberia. But the Suebi along with some Visigoths resisted in the north.

Good piece of research, very interesting. As with most history I find it wise not to read the comments 😂.

One of my ancestors was a Goth or an Ostrogoth. These ancestors were Franks and she was a noble pushed over to Morocco. She was brought back to marry my 28th or so great grandfather in the 600s more or less.

What you said about Germany letting 1 million people in applies more to Sweden in the current context, they accepted hundreds of thousands in, much more than the country’s real capacity, leading to unprecedented riots and gang violence due to scarcity in jobs and opportunities

26.50 ...Why is this point always so difficult to explain to people without them getting hysterical

Haines ghiunar -hain an 4:53

Nonwestern people moving into "western" is like "western" people moving to the "Americas" and completely disrupting the "nonwest", don't you think? So, we can say that "Europeans" in the "new world" are the "Pashtun" of the Americas.

I don't know if related, but this sounds similar Ilergeta/ Illyrian/gettae Turdulii/ Turda city. Carpetanii/ Carpii Viseu city in Portugal/ Viseu river in Romania.

Ben, do you know the gold bowl from your thumbnail is from my city, Buzau? Its from Athanaric treasure of Pietrosele and here its the old visigoths capital. That Bowl from your thumbnail shows the visigoths celebrating vineyards and wine. It was made for Dyonissus cult wich is old dacian religion that the greeks and romans also adopted from the getae dacians. Most important is that growing vineyards like that, like the visigoths, its not migratory and not germanic coulture . Its like your walking with Romanian flag there and you tell us,, this is Sweden,, 😂.

You should make a video about who was 1st in Transylvania :)) Gesta Hungarorum: "For they said that there flowed the most noble spring waters, the Danube and Tisza [Tyscia] and other most noble springs, abounding in good fish, in which land there lived the Slavs [Sclavii], Bulgarians [Bulgarii] and Vlachs [Blachii], and the shepherds of the Romans [pastores Romanorum]. For after the death of King Attila, the Romans said the land of Pannonia was patureland because their flocks grazed in the land of Pannonia. And rightly is the land of Pannonia said to be the pastureland of the Romans, for now too the Romans graze on the goods of Hungary. What else?" Anonymi Descriptio Europae Orientalis: "It should be noted here that between Macedonia and Achaia and in Thessalonica there is a certain great people and spacious who are called Blazi, who once were Romans shepherds, and in Hungary, where the pastures of the Romans were, because the excessive greenness and fertility of the earth were abiding. But at length expelled from thence by the Ufigari, they fled to those parts; ... " The Russian Primary Chronicle Laurentian Text page 62: "(888-898). The Magyars passed by Kiev over the hill now called Hungarian, and on arriving at the Dnieper, they pitched camp. 28 They were nomads like the Polovcians. Coming out of the east, they struggled across the great mountains, and began to fight against the neighboring Vlakhs and Slavs. For the Slavs had settled there first, but the Vlakhs had seized the territory of the Slavs. The Magyars subsequently expelled the Vlakhs, took their land, and settled among the Slavs, whom they reduced to submission. 29 From that time this territory was called Hungarian".

No mention of Portugal.

Germanics didn't even had vine and you can see on the plate with the female godess of the visigoths, the vineyards are important to them. Swedish for sure didn't had vine because it's too cold to grow vineyards there. Visigoths are not germanic but dacians. And a side note about huns, they never made it to the hills let alone mountains so they never conquered the Romanian lands you show in your maps. The mountains and the hills( subcarpathians) were always dacian. That's why the visigoths capital it's at Pietroasele, on a hill close to the mountains and where they grow famous vineyard.

"Briga" has probably celtic origins and not germanic. Also Hispania (or Iberia) is different from Spain...the country. Does cymraeg make a difference or is it like english that uses the same word?

Athanaric from Buzau. For sure Ulfillas wrote the Bible here because it was the capital. And Athanaric you say he was pagan but he then got Arian Christian and then normal Christian as he lived his last years in Constantinople where he couldn't be Arian.

The visigoths weren't settle in Moesia but in south east Romania with capital in Pietroasele, Buzau. They raided Moesia from where they kidnaped Ulfillas with his whole family and brought him to Muntenia, south east Romania. Basically Ulfillas wrote the arian Bible in Buzau.

Iordanes cites Cassiodor also that says the getae are the goths. So it's not just Iordanes but Cassiodor also, Isidor of Seville, poet Claudius plus many others. Nobody says the goths are not the getae.

Is the name, Guzman, a vestige of "Gothsman?"

Spanish and Portuguese.

I identified the animals from the visigoths treasure, the leopard is the Caspian leopard that was spread in the whole Turkey, the vultures are Cinereus vultures wich are native here and non native more northern than Valachia Romania. So the animals, the vineyards depicted on the visigoth treasure have nothing to do with the Nordic coulture as those guys didn't knew these animals and they didn't had vineyards in Sweden.

'Cos Spain is nice and cosy warm.

11:28 - Me: Clicks a video to learn about Spain. - Ben: Dacia 37:08 - Ben The Invader of Rome, The Leader Of The Goths (not those goths, The Goths) Even today Swedish people want to go to Spain I've done an DNA test and got 84.8% Balkan and 15.2% N-E Europe, but got 2 big DNA matches in Sweeden.

Visigoths had falx swords alongside other swords like the roman ones, etc, but the falx and sica were the most important. Falx swords got to Spain. That says all about them being dacian ( or thracian, because thdse unusual swords are here from thousands of years before the dacians)😂. I think without the falx( wich i think its the best sword in history and underrated) they wouldnt have conquered the romans.

And here I was thinking it was for the parties, girls and booze in the nightclubs of Ibiza! 😂

The cycles of climate change and events, supplemented by human activity and influences played their part in triggering these migrations.

Balti dynasty is pronounced baltsi in romanian not like baltic. It's like gots wich are pronounced gotsi ( like the tribe in Sweden and like getsi - getae is how Roman's called them). Balti means lakes or ponds, marshes and you can see that Alaric comes from the Danube Delta where there are a lot of baltsi😂. Balta it's definatevely an old Dacian word.

I learned Gothic language. As a native Slavic speaker I was stunned how Gothic grammar is similar to the Slavic languages (and also Baltic and Latin). We literally have a similar case system with similar declantions.

Why, you ask? For the paella, of course! And the olive oil! And the sangria. Why else? 😂😂

Ben, did you see the visigoths wearing those wings on their helmets, like the gauls? Thats because they are related celts.😂. Basically anything visigoth says,, we are celts, dacians,,. Cant be germanics.

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Great video generally, but I'm not buying the "Goths were Germanic" spiel. Certainly the elites spoke a Germanic dialect similar to Vandal or Burgundian but most of them were proto-Slavs. The people that remained in Eastern Europe were called "Venedi" by the Romans.

Visigoth word is 100% dacian, because if you knew romanian, its not visi goth but vizi goth, with the letter Z. Letter Z is from the dacians. ,, Vizitiu,, word in romanian language, means the driver of the carriage or,, conducator,, ( leader and would translate as the leader of the carriage). In romanian we call the driving license,, permis de conducere,, wich is license to lead. The president of Romania says he is the,, conducator,, ( could be vizitiu) of Romania. So vizigoth means the ruling goths, the,, conducator,, goths. That doesnt mean the dacians were germanic. Vizigoths just spread christianity to the the germanics that were in the stone age as you can see it portrayed on the Trojan column. The germans are naked and the lowest slaves the romans had. Syrians are the best dressed and the most educated on the Trojans column, wich makes sence as the great architect Apolodor of Damascus, was sirian. Trojans column says it all. And Athanaric kings name means Intuneric in romanian language wich is translated to,, darkness,,. He was darker skinned probably than the germanics.

Well ,i guess , cheaters are always winners & traitors always live well

This guy has trivial understanding of language, migrations and politics and the history there of, and makes up or ignores the rest.

The gepids are just getae dacians, non germanic thracians with little Asian genes. They were just like the visigoths, same coulture,dacian,same language. These are much older than Wielbark coulture wich is relatively new in comparison to Dacia. The Wielbark coulture was made by relatively late dacians not the opposite. Burebista is older than the Wielbark coulture,Dromichaete is hundreds of years older than Wielbark coulture.

Please do = pizdu

Yeah, yeah, ancient migrations were always peaceful.

Atillas huns conquered dacian parts are made too big on your map. And they were converted fast to arianism by the visigoths wich turned them into Ostrogoths. Ostrogoths are smaller and more to the west than in your maps,Hungary.

And Roman's didn't trained the getae, but gave them money to defend the Roman empire from the mongols. If the getae dacians would have let the huns pass they would have destroyed the Roman empire. So your comparison with the pashtun from Afghanistan it's wrong. In the end it was better that the dacians destroyed the Roman empire instead of the huns.

Not Spain for god sake!🙄 to the Iberian península. Or actual Portugal and Spain, and south of France, Aquitania. Don’t forget that foederati was a tradicional way of using barbarian against barbarian. It was ok until it went wrong 😃

Very bad maps. Uldin huns in Valachia wich I never heard of 😂. Dacia at the south of Danube 😂.

I don’t think such a dark-skinned person next to the name of the Goths will be popular in the historical community. Just an odd choice of thumbnail, imo, I hope the video does well anyway.

Old Norse language starts in 720 ad. Soo late and the visigoths Bible and language was written couple hundred ears earlyer. So the goth language could have influenced old Norse not the opposite. Vikings arrive @700 ad, visigoths start in 320 Ad in Dacia.

The history of the visigoths is soo well documented that even the birth year of Saint Sebas the goth is known. Sebas is Dacian name ( pronounced Sava as Sebas is how Greeks would call him). Musaios is also how Greeks would write Buzau because they didnt had letters to write Z). en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabbas_the_Goth

The Goths were NOT german, swedish or whatever but the Thracian Getae. The Thracian language is Bulgarian. Goths lived on both sides of the Danube, called Getae and Dacians. The Royal tomb is in Bulgaria, Sveshtari. No serious scholar would regard them as anything but Thracian. Germans stole both the Aryans and Goths from us, that's the truth. In fact when I explained this to a Swede he had nothing more to say and understood. Only stupid corrupt academia goes on spreading lies!!