The Grand Seiko Mistflake is Cheaper AND Better than a Rolex 

I'd take the Rolex over any Grand Seiko any day of the week. I've never seen GS that I like. Maybe some divers but they are usually 44mm which disqualifies them from my tiny wrist.

Grand Seiko is the top choice! Functionality and beauty at it's best!

@@josepht.7937 N aaa. That's like just your opinion dude.

@@vegass04and vice versa bro, your opinion remain yours only

Cap. Rolex meatrider spotted.

Thanks for your comment, very interesting.

Yes, metal titanium is not as strong as 316L stainless steel, but GS uses titanium alloy, they called high-intensity titanium, which is stronger than 316L stainless steel. So at least for GS watch using titanium, not only lighter, but stronger

@dingk given the common misunderstanding of tensile strength, I wouldn't believe a single thing coming out of the mouths of Seiko marketing unless it's been confirmed by a 3rd party materials lab. The amount of shear bullshit Rolex has foisted on the community regarding 904l is a perfect example. There is absolutely zero reason for selecting 904l over 316l for watch applications. They just wanted to use something different than everyone else so that they could heavily, and falsely, imply that it is a superior metal and worth a premium. 904 is softer and more easily scratched than 316, its only positive attribute is corrosion resistance, which Rolex touts all the time. Of course they're implying that it's better for resistance to saltwater, but I work in the offshore and marine industry specifically, and we use 316l for most marine applications. 904 is only selected when a part or assembly is going to constantly be exposed to other caustic industrial chemicals. Problem is no one wearing a $10,000 dollar watch really comes into contact with those chemicals in daily wear.

I really appreciate your explanation. Thank you for the clarity.

don't forget my real estate agent or the guy I got my first car from!

I appreciate your sarcasm - and I’m not being sarcastic 👍🏻👍🏻

@@SmithBroNathan Form follows function. A formula 1 car is beautiful because of it's purposefulness. Once you understand the hand finishing process grand seiko implements along with the cleverness of it's movement the Victor becomes clear.

@@SmithBroNathan Design perspective is the point! Lol GS is for the horologist, Rolex is for investors.

Except the bracelet…still!!!

@@SmithBroNathan Rolex is about as boring as it gets fro design. Yes they have some nice looking watches but it's all rinse and repeat mostly from a design point of view. Also the prints on the Oyster Perpetual range are really cheap and tacky looking eg the palm leaves and new Celebration-motif dials.

@@bigwangmark The Rolex Explorer II with white dial is a nice design and a better comparison to the SBGE285.

yes... but your business partner/neighbor (that you want to impress) has never heard of GS... so what do you do ;)

@@________2705 if, regardless of your personal opinion on a watch - ie. being a worse option than another - you buy the watch you like less to impress others, as you described, then you already failed in life.

I agree. I’d actually proudly purchase a quartz GS and wear it every day as its a wonderful part of their heritage

Salute!

I wonder how many people who complain about GS bracelets have the tinfoil ones of a 5 digit rolex. For the record I have both (and 6 digit Rolexes) and love em.

I honestly don’t think many average buyers think about the micro adjust. It’s an enthusiast thing to care about. Otherwise, brands like IWC wouldn’t be around with 4,000.00 ETA movements

Same, the bracelets just don't cut it for me either (compared to Rolex). Neither the typography or the hands. I've tried several, but just don't click enough to buy them.

​@@davidr2802never in my life have I heard someone complain about the lack of micro adjust on a day-date that costs 10 times the average Grand Seiko but with these watches it's the first thing out of everyone's mouths.

For the same reason your teenager never listens to you. Because.

They probably see themselves as watchmakers not bracelets makers

@@RayMelville yes!

@@davidr2802 fortunately I’ve never owned a teenager. £250,000 from aged 0 to 18 is a marvellous disincentive…

⁠@@PhilbyFavourites if you’re worried about spending £250,000 over 18 years, you probably shouldn’t be watching a luxury watch channel 😂

You made a good choice. The Grand Seiko is a much better watch than a Rolex. It is better built and will be more reliable. Rolex watches are over rated. The power of advertising has raised public awareness as the Rolex brand being the pinnacle of watch making. In reality yes Rolex can make a good watch but their are superior watches including Grand Seiko. You don't need a watch that says "Won't you ask me about my watch?" as you already know that the Grand Seiko is at the pinnacle of watch making. Enjoy your purchase!

For my own hunting, what are your options at that price range? Thanks

Even just the writing of it puts me off.

So the bracelet supersedes every other part of the watch?

Exactly, their bracelet is a joke

@@garyboyle695yes

You are aware they produce several models that have on the fly, on the wrist adjustable clasps something that no submariner can boast? Yet when they put a non adjustable clasp on their dressier pieces everyone loses their mind when Rolex does the same with the day date.

Grand Seiko is for the owner, Rolex is to display to other people. 😁

@@anorax001 Most people, including watch collectors are vain and shallow, Rolex has made a great market out of them

@@inquisitorofthegodemperor8434 I am sure not everyone is like that. I know there are some people who simply love Rolex and don't care about what other people say. But yes Rolex has over priced their watches and speculators and dealers have taken advantage of that.

@@anorax001 for al ot but there are still quite a few that enjoys a rolex. i always wanted one since I was little.

@@mitch20003 I do like the Rolex Explorer II but IMO it is too expensive. I ended up buying the GS equivalent which I love.

what about zenith chrono. Those are awesome

No comparisons.. exp2 is iconic, but this is perfection