The Great Alt Art Crash Is Upon Us 

If you are in it for the money I wouldn't. Like you said, buy what you enjoy......if it is meaningless and is only investment value then it is painful when value is lost. If in 20 years it has gained significant value then you own a item you love and you can choose if and when is the best time to sell if you are needing funds for whatever reason. I buy what is meaningful to me so that if I never sell it, it is no bother to me to keep it 😅

@vamountainman2512 I would bet the value of whatever card you like now will likely be worth more in 20 years. I don't see why you wouldn't?

20 years is a long ass time!! No modern card will ever be a gold star!!

@@theoneandonlyconnection It is a long time. If you are buying cards as an investment and I would bet most people who buy Pokémon cards as investments are ages 20-40 then your investment time horizon is 20+ years. If you buy stocks or a home as an investment than you would have the same time horizon.

@@theoneandonlyconnection i totally agree

Exactly, this is just a new floor. It will go up again to like 700 then drop to 550 a new floor

I’m saying it’s upon us, not that it’s happened.

Slight correction? There's like 50% corrections to some of the cards and at least 10% on almost every single other one.

IneptCardCollector 50% drops on what cards? All the cards he showed are on yearly uptrends, they're correcting, happens in every chart you'll ever see nothing goes straight up lol

@@perrymiles3073 I agree with you that they're on a yearly uptrend, of course. I'm talking about alt arts from their ATH's. I've watched about twenty vids on it so I'd need to go back through them all to see what ones are down 50%. I'm not saying that the several cards in this vid are the sample set. Apologies if I didn't communicate that well.

Lol I'm with you I got mine for 190

I got mine in a PSA10 for 225

@@123mrtippmann dayumn son big win tho 👀👀👀

Its only a win if you sell it at the current price

@@Villa_Kanto I tried to cash out before the dip, 🤷‍♂️ didn’t make it, I COULD sell it and still profit but at this point I’m happy to just keep the card and wait for the rebound. Might take 6 months, might take 3 years but it’ll rise again, and I’ll still have it for cheap ;). I cashed out on giratina and magikarp though, made some nice gains so technically the blaziken was free off my profits ! 🤷‍♂️

Facts

Coping at its finest. Yes, they will be desirable still, but the obviously over priced cards will eventually come back to the appropriate pricepoint

I'm interested if that 'hunt' will remain in the long run 🤔. I mean, in 5-10 years time, when the hype and novelty of alt arts is long gone...how will the 6000+ pop alt arts compare to the comparative rarity of the prior generations. How will the 11,000 pop umbreon alt art compare to a 100-300 pop umbreon EX, LV.X, Prime, e-series ect. Not saying I have any answers, I'm just intrested to see how these crazy high populations will effect value in the long run 😵‍💫 But..my suspicion is, it won't be good 😕

I wasn't here when evolving skies was released. Now it's at a price point where opening the packs doesn't make sense. I did open some but the rough pull rates really keep me from opening any more. The hunt for me is now in Scarlet and violet. And i think with sets getting more expensive the hunt is obtainble for less and less people.

@@grydon6422what’s an appropriate price point? Who decides what the appropriate price is on something that doesn’t have an msrp and is deemed a rare collectible? Clearly we’ve seen many people are willing to pay $850-900 for a copy of the moonkitty or $450 for a tina? So doesn’t that make it an appropriate price point? Is $750-800 an appropriate price for the Latias Latios? Or $350 for the Gengar Mimikyu? It’s all about how many people want it and are willing to pay that price point. If a large enough group of people are buying at those prices then that’s what deems an appropriate price at that point in time. The spike was inevitable with the FOMO that came from sets going out of stock on PC and the subsequent crash was inevitable with everyone trying to realize their gains, but the whole narrative that it was ALL market manipulation and these prices were “absurd” or “inappropriate” is false. If the secondary pokemon market was so easy to manipulate you better believe it would be a non-stop manipulation frenzy until every single or product was manipulated to some degree. Market manipulation doesn’t work on that level without an external catalyst and that catalyst was PC’s inventory finishing. So in short I guess I’m just confused by the appropriate price statement.

Agree with this 100%

Everything save the magikarp and the Greninja are honestly really cheap

@@galientl4723 What about the Charizard and Mew from Paldean Fates?

yeah me to

@@philycsteak mew is still below 100 and Charizard is right in the line. Magikarp and Greninja are way passed that at this point.

@@galientl4723 That's true, the Mew has been rising in price the past few days. I need to get myself one as it's my favorite from the SV so far

Wasn't just walmart, best buy had them for a few weeks as well before the news got out.

@@niiiiiiccceeethey still do I’ve been ordering them everyday for two weeks because they limit you to 5 per day but so far I’ve opened 25 god packs from them

Appreciate that my man!

This, these cards will be the new "ponchos" of the future. This hype we have seen for these cards will leave a ever lasting hype for the cards. They have a large pop 10 report compared to other popular cards but that doesnt matter...These cards are the first in history that have seen such a crazy hype train and fomo to own them. When the dust settles, people who dont have one will wish they had, because these cards IMO are going to do stupid in the long term.

Appreciate that! It will be interesting to see in the next few months. Thanks for tuning in.

@evgaman4391 Gosh, I’m sorry but there is so much wrong in your comment.. Let’s break it down. 1. These cards are *absolutely not* the first ones to have such hype, wtf are you talking about. That comment alone shows how biased and uninformed you are about this subject. And the funny thing is, most cards that have seen such hype and fomo before, have crashed/come back where they were. One example is the overall Japanese card boom a year ago. My Munch Scream Mimikuy went from 4k to 9k in a few weeks - guess where it’s now, back to 4k, and it was obvious that would happen, because I force myself to not give in to the bias. You called them ”hype” and ”fomo” yourself - those two things will *never* last, they’ll move to the next thing. 2. There is no such thing as ”ever lasting hype” lmao. That is the biggest mistake you can make in any sort of investing - ”everlasting”.. There has been one single hype period for these alt arts; there is much bigger chance the hype will eventually just move to the next big thing, than this being something special and long lasting for these specific cards 3. Cards from these new regular sets will *never* be the new Ponchos; Ponchos are what they are because they are very exclusive and unique promos. There is nothing exclusive or unique about these alt arts, even if they look beautiful. All alt arts look amazing, even the dirt cheap ones, and they will look even better in the future. That is not a big factor with card’s success. 4. The high pop report *absolutely matters,* and a lot too. The hobby is simply not big enough for cards with 10k+ pop to sustain their prices as high as they are now. Not anytime soon anyway, maybe in the future. Even a pop of few thousands is high for Pokemon cards, let alone 10k. When the dust really settles, it’s the exact opposite what you are saying; these cards will be in the perfect prices for buying for anyone who wants them. You think they are ”going to do stupid” in long term because you are biased due to owning them, and wish them to do stupid - it’s not based on anything rational or factual analysis. That doesn’t mean they can’t do stupid in the actual long term, for the right reasons, but that requires for the hobby to grow a lot bigger first, and another nostalgia boom for this era of cards in the future. And that ”long term” is not 5 years, maybe not even 10.

@@grydon6422 Yeah didnt read all that bologna. And I said in the end its my opinion...Sounds like you have a problem with others opinions, thats on you...And all this you wasted time to write is YOUR opinion. But hey we will see whos right in that long term ;)

Great point!

Plus the Japanese versions often have more vibrant art and/or better full-art textures

Nah man. Most cards look better in English. I like being able to read the cards. Certain cards look better in Japanese tho imo

@@devonscope6222 Yeah i agree with you. Biggest reason is that you can't read the card.

​@@newjones1754 who cares! Majority of collectors don't actually play pokemon card game! Plus the pokemon is written at top of slab and pokemon is Japanese.

These are the wins we want to hear!

Yes you did well! you can always buy them back later.

Or just buying for value as an investment. Buy what you love and you are happy if it never needs to be sold at all. People using card stock as a stock market is wild and ruins the hobby

Not usually a thing no

Yeah it does seem summers have this effect on the market.

So that might mean that will undercut each other and it will get cheaper for the people that still want them.

Thanks, will do! Appreciate the feedback.

TCGplayer

Correct!

Any time!

Appreciate that my man!

Good luck!

I appreciate that! Really do. Thanks for taking the time to watch the videos.

Did you pull anything good?

Unreal - any pulls?!

@@phillips.collectibles no chase cards pulled unfortunately, I find it crazy that on price charting fusions strike booster boxes say $231 at 2 sales per day when they are still available on the Pokémon centre uk for £143 ($180) maybe people are buying them here and reselling them to guys living in the US but I find it hard to understand as there would be a hefty shipping cost for that surely ?

@@Leeroycfc It's really expensive to ship something to the states. Yeah it's probally profit but, also a risk i would say.

I have you been holding them for years you are for sure in the profit. So i would say sell if you want the money but, if you want the cards keep them.

Seems to be the case. It will be an interesting next few months!

Did you do that out of curiosity?

@@galientl4723 and I like the cards

Yeah it’s the long game for purchases before June this year

Most definitely!

I agree i watch most of them and this is something different from all the others. The pokerev of Pokemoninvestment.

I appreciate that a lot man, I really do!

If they reached new lows it would be really shocking. I can’t see that happening, though who knows….singles are anyone’s guess

Thank you!

Thank you very much! I may need one close to 10k and funny enough you’ve been on my mind!

@@phillips.collectiblesHaha that's nice to hear. I really enjoy this channel and also in the comments there are some real nice conversations. it would be my honour to help out😁Let me know by that time.

I appreciate this comment man. I really do! And yes Celebi V, I'll need to do a deep dive, may make a video for it! Thanks for the inspiration and lovely words.

The best option!

They’ll probably drop that 40-60%, they are way too overpriced now due to folo and hype combined. But yes, there is a chance they are a gppd bet long term

Soon you will!

Nice pick up

A first edition charizard is really expensive though. I think everyone want that card but, not alot of people can pay it. I think that's why modern is more in demand because it's at a reasonable price to open. Sealed vintage damn that's crazy priced.

Happy to hear that!

Good point here!

100%. It will be interesting to see what happens in the next 12 months!

@@phillips.collectibles Absolutely. There are a ton of flippers and scalpers right now trying to make a quick buck. Best way to avoid them is buy going left when everyone else is going right. The idea as a collector is to flush them out of the market and hope they move to something else. Before it was sneakers or retro video games, so hopefully something else comes along they think they can flip. The next few sets look really good. By then folks will be appreciating SV and realize they actually like it. Tale old as time. I already worked on completing the SV IR and SIR's. Cheaper and better than SWSD alts. By the time everyone else is on board the prices will be much much higher.

Very nice! You won.

Good choice!

I'm not buying alt arts because of the prices. makes more sense to pick up cheaper ones from scarlet and violet.

Very true! And something important to keep in mind.

I don't get it. What are you referring to?

Same goes for most of these big alts tbh

That’s not an alt art buddy lmao

Great pull!

One of my favourites!

The best mindset

Time will tell

Appreciate the feedback my man! Noted...and yes, you're right, a small correction.

Best it’s ever been!

If you know anything about investing, 10% is kind of a lot. Besides, Lugia has seen something closer to a 15% drop. With Giratina, it's near 20%. That's not insignificant.

@@xavierpena1996 Not in collectibles my friend. In my 401k or IRAs. Ya.

A win is a win

100!

I agree Charizard cards are awesome. The full art from 151 is dope. Which is your favourite?

That’s cool - what are some of your classics in your collection?

@@phillips.collectibles I said from WOTC to S&M but in fact I have only WOTC and S&M haha :) Ofc besides some modern but I'm not invested in them. They're nice but I find vintage more beautiful even if their artworks are as simple as they could be. Sun and Moon on the other hand was the best time to collect full arts. My WOTC is basically tons of Sabrina related cards from Gym Heroes and Gym Challenge and this is the core of my collection, these are cards I loved back then, played them always etc. That includes every possible english and japanese card you can find but many of them have 10 or more pcs. Having also some rare promo with Sabrina (called Gym Badge) from 2016 I believe, tons of english but also hard to find in Europe where I live two japanese version as well. Then going further to full arts having some big hitters, mainly Lillies and Sabrina from S&M. The other cards from later eras are just usually psychic/ghost pokemon I like + trainers, trainer galleries etc. Very profiled collection (I highly recommend that because one's never chasing everything which is impossible to accomplish right now and more importantly - very expensive. Allows to stay calm when a new sets gets released :D), easy to track hence I don't need to analyze too many prices all the time.

@@RogueOne123these are awesome!

@@phillips.collectibles Thank you :)

Appreciate the feedback! Noted.