@@abhiverma9316 Both deserve more. If anything, blame mclaren-mercedes for dropping the ball so hard and the world financial crisis that it set the events in chain for Lewis to snatch up every title that could have gone to other drivers. Not like Alonso or Kimi had the machinery to do so at all times, but if things were to play out that differently it could always be either of them in the fast cars.
Do feel like this would be ideal to determine the grid for sprint weekends. Resolves the issue of the true pole lap not being the decider for the start of the race
@@MrEshah Yeah that's true. The aggregate never made much sense to me. The "proper" one-shot qualifying might not have been the most interesting to watch, but it was tense and a mistake would ruin your whole weekend... and if there was rain halfway through? Bad luck for you, but it created Japan 2005's crazy grid, so it wasn't all terrible
Don't know what's best : - The gleaming colors of Alonso's R25 and sharp, agressive look of Kimi's McLaren - Small, compact, light cars, blowing that deafening, all mighty V10 sound - Flavio, Ron, Jean, Franck and EJ all sitting in the pit wall - Alonso, Räikkönen, Schumacher 1 & 2, Montoya, Fisichella, Trulli, Barrichello, Button, Webber, Coulthard, Massa, Villeneuve, all lining on the grid - Luca overseeing Ferrari's legacy in the garage - Allen and Brundle in the commentary box - Pasquale Lattuneddu probably dealing with high rollers desperate to attend the most exclusive and glittering sporting extravaganza in the world when the only chance you had was to be in Bernie's good books - Bernie, the Ring Master, reigning supreme from his Kremlin motor home - Max, then still a respectable figure, ruling from the Casino - No boring, staged social media content to be fed up with - No lame stars faking an interest in F1, having no idea what this is all about - One lap quali, no sprint race... God, how great F1 was back then !
@@pepitojuan7813 yes, but that doesn't mean his maximum pace was 1.2 seconds slower. If he backed off a tiny bit he probably would have been 0.2 of a second slower than Kimi. One shot qualifying was never reflective of overall pace. Just like it wasn't when Kimi made mistakes.
@@ciaronsmith4995 I never said it was worth 1.2 seconds....there's something wrong with your ability to comprehend what other people are conveying to you. You seem totally unable to detach your emotions from discussion. All of your responses are unhinged, even this one.
Michael would have absolutely walked home to the title. He was miles ahead of Massa in 2006 and would have remained so in 2007. Kimi struggled to beat Massa.
@@MD-uu5nt Totally incorrect considering Michael was terrified of McLaren Kimi and ran away from a direct confrontation. In 2007, Kimi won twice as many races as Massa despite having to adapt to a new tyre and a new team. Kimi would have still won the title. MSC couldn't even win the 2006 title in a faster car than the Renault with weaker competition. Kimi won it in slower and more unreliable car than the illegal McLaren. Get real, son.
@@ciaronsmith4995 once again you have to ignore reality to suit your narrative. "Kimi won twice as many races as Massa" - kimi won three more races than Massa that is correct. What you are conveniently ignoring is that Felipe handed Kimi the Brazilian GP. Otherwise Kimi would have won 5 races to Felipes 4...that doesn't sound as impressive though does it? Michael terrified of Kimi...very unlikely. I'm sure he saw how narrow Kimis operating window was and knew he could easily beat him.
From the website F1 team mate comparison: Schumacher vs Massa: 2006 Head to Head Qualifying MSC 13 MASSA 4 Median Qualifying % gap (fastest lap in final session) -0.293% 0.293% Median Qualifying % gap (only dry sessions) -0.345% 0.345% Kimi vs Massa: 2007 Head to Head Qualifying KIMI 8 MASSA 9 Median Qualifying % gap (fastest lap in final session) -0.016% 0.016% Median Qualifying % gap (only dry sessions) 0.086% -0.086%
to me the 2005 season was one of the most beautiful. Still V10s (their last season though), already more advanced and sleek and agressive looking aero, but not too many bits and pieces like 2007 and 2008. And the sound the V10s delivered. The V8s used until their farewell at the end of 2013 were also nice, but not as screaming as the V10s. For me the V10 extremely high Revs era was the best. Like Mario Theissen (former BMW) said "Formula 1 means to be right on the edge. And to determine what's the edge means you need to cross the line sometimes".
Its still my screen background to this day. Best looking race car ever built. If it held together it would probably be the best too..Only in the hands of the Iceman
@@theelf152 yeah but 2006 McLaren in papaya orange was sick af too. But for me 2022 Ferrari takes the cake as the best looking F1 car ever made. What an art piece
@@arcsephiroth Ok each to their own. For me the 2022 cars are horrible. Also from a racing perspective, the worst because they are big and very heavy -792kg compared to 600kg (with driver) in 2005.
James Allen is the voice of golden era of F1 .. his voice matched with F1 as Martin Brundle and Murray Walker’s voice fit also and as you can see, after he stopped commentating on tv (2008 I think) the F1 went downhill .
And everyone hated Allen back when he was the commentator.. funny how that works - prefer croft although Edwards always was the best after Murray retired
Anybody who knows anything about F1 know Raikkonen should have won that championship. Leading in imola = dnf, leading in hockenheim- dnf, leading in Nurburgring- dnf I’m sure there were more. Then the multiple times he had to start 10 places back due to engine change. Italy, France, silverstone just a few as there were more. Won more races than alonso and was miles quicker
Funny how people keep saying Alonso deserved more titles, when in reality both of his championships were extremely generous, and arguably he wasn't the best driver on track. In 2005 certainly he wasn't, Kimi was unbelievable.
Unfortunately drivers can have a slow car or an unreliable car under them. In general speed and reliability are a tradeoff. If a team pushes too hard to gain speed, the car might fail. We won't ever know for sure, but it's possible that Kimi's car would've been significantly slower if it was designed to be reliable enough, as reliable as the competition. Who knows if McLaren had spied on other teams already then too... It seems likely that Kimi would've won the championship even if McLaren had dialed the car down enough or designed it in a way to be reliable enough, but we'll never know.
I've never seen a driver more at one with the car than that day. The way he just flows the car on the limit all the way through. You get a good sense of it @ 4:03 and at Tabac at 4:39, just fantastic precision and balance - poetry in motion. Never get sick of this...
It's so amazing : the sound, the speed, shaky cams and agile cars... this is both terrifying and so satisfying ! What a shame that today's broadcast can't deliver that sensation of speed.
Call me a conspiracy theorist but I think modern broadcasts were stabilized so much and static imagery being used whenever they can to increase advertisement visibility.
Kimi had the speed, and alonso had the consistency, it is a shame for kimi to lose at least two championships (03 and 05) due to having unreliable car, but we can't change the past.
@@qtepeten300 So.., McLaren had not the best car that year ;) And don't forget the driving mistakes of Kimi that year... Nurburgring for example... He did a flat in the tyre because a beaking blockout and he decided not to stop to change that tyre... Alonso was a better driver (always has been...) than Kimi that year...
For everyone complaining about modern F1 - remember that in 2024 there was 1.18 seconds covering the entire field, here there was 2.4 seconds covering just the top 10
Actually they are quicker, did you watch the austrian gp these year? As Ralf drove the old BMW. Ralf sayed they stopped the time but not for the public and mentioned even with over 150hp tuned down car 700 hp if im correct and a rev limiter the car was a lot quicker then the current cars. Even Horner and Toto sayed something about it
Because they were smaller and more light. People normally judge the cars for his horsepowers but the weight and size is as important as the power. You can have much more fun driving a car much more smaller and with a decent engine that with 100hp more but a ton of weight more.
@@INFEDnoX you know the old tyre regulation when they changed the slick tyres to grooved one cuz the cars where to fast right? In the next year the cars where 3-4 slower per round fastest lap with grooved tyres are 1:08:4 max is on 1:06:2 do the math by yourself my friend
@@Alvaro.240 sure they are more light but 100kg vs 350hp less and no ERS instant "tourge" the whole round is something to think about, thats what i mean when toto and horner said something about it
I think this is the finest race weekend Kimi Räikkönen has ever done. Perfect all weekend, in the GP, he was driving so fast he had 30 second gaps to P2 before each pit stop, achieving that in the span of 20-25 laps each time.
2003-2006 Kimi in the tyre war is the fastest driver I've seen since Ayrton Senna. The engine in 2006 was just slow but he had 3 poles in that car and beat Jenson in the standings who had a much better car overall for most of the year.
@@ciaronsmith4995 so what happened in 2007? Why did Kimi suddenly start looking average when he went to Ferrari? Maybe it's because he was never actually as good as people make him out to be. In 2003 he was just very consistent against DC who was never particularly good. DC was in his prime in 1996-2001 and Mika Hakkinen was way faster than him. Much more so than Kimi was. Kimi struggled against DC in comparison to Mika.
@@MD-uu5nt Listen I have explained this too many times - watch the links below. It's because Kimi and Alonso had to adapt to new tyres and a new team that Lewis and especially Massa did not have to. Lewis had used Bridgestones in 2006 in GP2. Michelin left the sport at the end of 2006. Just watch these videos before you comment about this: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-lKwNy0PDYkI.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-kCKny2D9onw.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-zKlMaHdwLW8.html
@@MD-uu5nt Struggled against DC? Yeah I remember DC losing the 2003 championship by a single....no wait that was Kimi. Oh yeah, DC was super competitive during the 2004 cham...No wait that's not it either. But yes, Kimi "struggled" for sure.
@@vivsha3498 I said he struggled in comparison to Mika....Hakkinen was clearly miles faster than a prime DC from 96 all the way theough to 2001. Even in Mikas worst year 2001 he outqualified DC and then had awful luck in races. Kimi was quite a bit faster than a past it DC. But he didn't come close to annihilating DC to the same extent that Mika did.
Still criminal to me that Kimi only won a single world title instead of 3. 2003 he took a 2-year old car to the final race, despite Ferrari and Williams having faster cars. And that's despite Ferrari complaining about the Michelin tyres and getting their configurations changed. 2005 was just unbelievable bad luck. A deserving champion in 2007 who was always overlooked and considered "lucky" (far from true), before being a victim of politics at Ferrari. His Lotus years were special too. Yes his second stint at Ferrari and his late career at Alfa never hit the same highs but the disrespect shown regarding this man's career is unbelievable. People say Alonso was unlucky? Kimi only wishes he was as lucky as him
This Renault was a beast! Awesome times, the best year I've ever seen in terms of aerodynamics, powerful engines and the peak of engineering. I miss this sound so much ❤
I watch this for the 20th time and I still get hooked to listen, watch and enjoy. Then I watch one of the parades we have today and I cry in pain T.T This ain't what got me in years ago!
There was some track evolution at play there, for sure. Amazing speed from Kimi. Deceptive pace from Alonso while keeping it smooth and risk free. Webber was quite a quali specialist and always outdrove whatever car he was qualifying in. (Pity he couldn't conserve tyres and vehicle very well at race pace).
The fact that Mclaren never had a car reliable enough to give Kimi a chance at the title should be a crime punishable by death. He would’ve been at LEAST a double world champion if they had
That sound. I am lucky we live so close to Indianapolis. Only an hour and a half here from Cincinnati. We went up for the formula one races. I remember when I first heard that sound live in the year 2000.
Raikkonen should have won 2005, Hamilton should have won 2007, Massa should have won 2008, Alonso should have won 2012. Formula 1's championships are hard-earned, but don't always show just who was the star of the season. None are more apparent than Kimi in 2005. What an absolute machine he was in that McLaren.
@@AlphaAssasinYT let's face it, if Kimi was an animal in 2007 he would not have needed others misfortune to win the title. Both teams had evenly matched cars.
@@5950ziel the clowns in the McLaren 2007 didn't have any misfortunes from the mechanical side. Kimi had mechanical dnfs in 2007 and if not for that, the 2 McLaren clowns wouldn't have been that close by last race. So if you haven't watched 2007, stfu
Not really 2000 - 2004 was dominated by you-know-who and nobody got remotely close, save for Kimi being only 2 points away from the championship in 2003 THAT HE REALLY REALLY DESERVED TO WIN! The seasons after, yes, until Seb Vettel came along and of course Lewis Hamilton... and now Max!
Great driving by all the drivers.. Alonso super lap then the ICEMAN KIMI what a lap... My favourite part of the clip was Fabio Alonsos team Boss applauding Kimis lap... 👌👍... not throwing headphones down no no this is so not fair... they were real f1 times in this clip... hinour and respect
I miss James Allen.............he was able to get exited, without screaming and yelling at the top of his lungs.........." Crofty " could learn a lot from him !!!!!!!
Even as a massive Alonso fan I accept that the Renault wasn’t nearly as quick as the McLaren in 2005. However it was the better car because it was very reliable and Alonso was incredibly consistent. If Kimi had a reliable car under him he would’ve won for sure, but you must finish in order to win.
There is no doubt in my mind that Kimi would have had 3 world titles, versus 1 with Ferrari, if that McLaren wasn't such a fragile car. I remember growing up and being gutted time after time watching Kimi have yet another DNF from mechanical failure. Kimi was fast AF.
Absurd... The championship with Ferrari would have never occurr in normal conditions. It was a championship wasted by McLaren. In 2005 Alonso was far better than Kimi (more than 20 points of difference at the end of the season is just not luck ;) ).
@@ciaronsmith4995 So you blame the car for being unreliable but you don't clap the car for being so fast ;) A direct comparisson between both drivers occured in Ferrari 2014 when Kimi ended CRYING DEPRESSED after being destroyed by Alonso ;) One of the biggest differences between two drivers with the same car in f1 recent history (probably the biggest).
@@arredondoing Raikkonen was very poor at adapting and fell off a cliff after the switch to Bridgestones but there's no denying he was, by a margin, the best driver of 2005. The R25 was so good that Renault deliberately slowed themselves down to stop the FIA getting suspicious and Raikkonen's car broke down every other weekend and he was still giving a good fight. In his prime he was terrifyingly fast.
