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The Greek Gift: Lecture by GM Ben Finegold 

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Check out Ben's Chessable courses here! www.chessable.... In this lecture, GM Ben Finegold explains The Greek Gift and analyzes a few games. This lecture was recorded December 17, 2017 in the U1400 Class at CCSCATL..
Games Discussed:
Avrukh, Boris vs. Ramesh, Ramachandran, Ubeda (2001)
Greco vs. NN (1620)
Rufus vs. Dufus
Finegold, Ben vs. 1500 Player
Originally posted on the CCSCATL channel, but moved here for channel consolidation.
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@mcronrn
@mcronrn Год назад
Funny thing is that position in the first game where black castled has been reached 1700+ times of Lichess. Bxh7+ was played 570 times. 🤣🤷🏻‍♂️🙏
@Nn-3
@Nn-3 Год назад
Thanks for showing the game I played vs Greco in 1620.
@manulschluggert1171
@manulschluggert1171 Год назад
Respect
@pabloduque579
@pabloduque579 Год назад
Respect x2
@SevenTheJester
@SevenTheJester Год назад
Ben talking about en passant being complicated reminded me of a funny(ish) story that I'd like to share with y'all. I was in the county jail once (I only mention that because it's relevant to the story), and I almost got into an actual fistfight with someone over the en passant rule. I had white and had already castled short, so he started pushing his H pawn, with the intention of destroying my pawn structure and opening up a line to my king. I played a couple of general improving moves while he played h5 and h4, and then when he played h3, I responded with the obvious g3, stopping the progress of his H pawn without having to capture it with my G pawn and open the G file in front of my king. When I played g3, he tried to take my pawn en passant by putting his H pawn on g2! I tried to explain to him that that isn't how the rule works, and he insisted that it is. In his mind, you're never allowed to move a pawn past another pawn without the opponent having the opportunity to capture it. He thought en passant was possible any time you advanced a pawn past another pawn. So then I tried to make him understand by explaining why the en passant rule exists. I explained that when chess was first invented, you could only move your pawns one square, even on their first move, meaning that in order to play e4, you had to play e3 first; that would've been a two-move maneuver. After a while, they realized that this was wasting a whole bunch of time, so they changed the rule to allow a pawn to move two squares on its first move. This change, though, was only intended to speed up the opening, so they had to add the en passant rule to keep from changing other rules or aspects of the game. He wasn't interested. He insisted that I was trying to cheat him, and that I was too embarrassed to admit that I had somehow overlooked his *very* clear intention in pushing his H pawn. I tried to get other people who play chess to explain it, and he wouldn't listen to them, either. And because we were in jail (see, I told you it was relevant) we had no internet access to actually look up the rule. The argument finally ended when I told him that his attempted en passant capture wasn't a valid move, and if he kept insisting that it was, we would just have to abandon the game. His response was to knock the board and all of the pieces (which I had spent a lot of time making) off the table and into the floor, while shouting various obscenities about me cheating and being bad at chess and being too proud to admit I made a mistake. It genuinely almost ended in violence. Over a chess rule dispute. 😂 Also...make sure that you know that, according to grandmaster Finegold, "not doing stuff is important, but knowing the importance of which is more important is more important. Not getting checkmated is the most important." You got that?😂
@independentnature295
@independentnature295 Год назад
There's a lot of "passed pawn" confusion out there in the wild. Also a lot of sensitive egos in jail...
@joelabraham6834
@joelabraham6834 Год назад
That's crazy. Did you still play after that? I think I'd move lunch table if that happened to me.
@fallintoadream
@fallintoadream 11 месяцев назад
I watched a documentary about how in the Aryan Brotherhood prison gang, to get in the gang, you have to checkmate someone with En Passant
@LunnarisLP
@LunnarisLP 8 месяцев назад
unsurprisingly people in jail tend to not be great at knowing the rules, which makes keeping them harder as well which might be the reason they are in jail :D
@Ishbikes
@Ishbikes 2 месяца назад
Truthfully, I wouldn’t even play that move in jail unless the person knows the move. Ppl can get hurt over that sort of thing..
@stevenanderson7046
@stevenanderson7046 Год назад
9 times out of 10 Finegold is hilarious!
@mitshua
@mitshua Год назад
This dude literally googled en passant for us. Holy Hell!
@phildo3668
@phildo3668 Год назад
Don't ask who the whistle blows for, it blows for thee
@phildo3668
@phildo3668 Год назад
Alternatively GRANDMASTER MAKES AN ILLEGAL MOVE 🤣😭🤣😭⁉️⁉️
@kingpin1199
@kingpin1199 Год назад
first. this is the greatest moment of my life. (ive had a tough life)
@bombrix5195
@bombrix5195 Год назад
True old-schoolers will get The Ken West joke
@adilbrohi2799
@adilbrohi2799 Год назад
Grandmaster Ken West** show some respect to the legend
@alexlaporta6393
@alexlaporta6393 Год назад
I didn't get it, maybe I'm too young or it's just that I ain't from the US... could you explain it to me please?
@sanjeevkhurana6628
@sanjeevkhurana6628 Год назад
​​​@@alexlaporta6393watch some Saint louis lectures of Finegold. You will get it by just watching two I guess. He would mention him in one of those.
@tetrisbit
@tetrisbit Год назад
@@alexlaporta6393 ken west was a player that used to come to all of ben's lectures. there was a recurring joke that he is a GM, as he is a good player, and everybody pokes fun at his chess knowledge, hence the "GM" title.
@alexlaporta6393
@alexlaporta6393 Год назад
@@tetrisbit Oh, I see, thanks!
@gizmo7597
@gizmo7597 Год назад
24:34 “my knight takes your queen en passant” brilliant
@codylee2818
@codylee2818 Год назад
Why isn't the Greek gift a knight sac?
@helenvurcevic5550
@helenvurcevic5550 Год назад
You gain a tempo by attacking immediately with the bishop, checking the king.
@codylee2818
@codylee2818 Год назад
@@helenvurcevic5550 but the Greeks gave away a big horse that the Trojans took, not a priest?
@ArutaretiI
@ArutaretiI Год назад
I think the theme is that you sacrifice material to open the the kings "castle". It looks like you're gifting him a bishop, but it's a poisoned gift, a greek gift.
@codylee2818
@codylee2818 Год назад
@@ArutaretiI y'all... y'all aren't getting it
@bongcloud4442
@bongcloud4442 Год назад
​@@codylee2818 should have been named the spanish inquisition sac, missed an opportunity there
@michaelf8221
@michaelf8221 Год назад
Ben's older now than he's ever been
@not2tired
@not2tired Год назад
I thought my favorite topic was the Greek Liver Attack
@dixonbeejay
@dixonbeejay 4 месяца назад
You are the bestest GM ever Mr finegold bloody amazing
@dashyz3293
@dashyz3293 Год назад
Marvelous thumbnail, MISTER Finegold.
@thomy2562
@thomy2562 Год назад
Bro almost made me think he did new lectures 😭
@dixonbeejay
@dixonbeejay 4 месяца назад
Absolute legend how the hell can I learn when I'm on the ground rolling around in laughter 😂😂 I just can't stop laughing🤦‍♂️🤣🤣your an absolute legend ❤️
@Interspirituality
@Interspirituality 3 месяца назад
I love how 99% of Bens jokes are not for the kids, but for us, the adults 😂
@aureliusfeynman485
@aureliusfeynman485 Год назад
Those kids we hear in the video are lucky, I wish I had Ben Finegold as a chess teacher when I was their age! Ben's jokes must fly over their heads for now, but they'll be able to look back on these lessons when they get older and appreciate their teacher even more. For now, I'm sure they think he's a bit weird because they don't get what he's saying 😂
@TheRicoCallao
@TheRicoCallao 8 месяцев назад
Amazing video. Thanks Maestro
@rorymcconnell3467
@rorymcconnell3467 5 месяцев назад
"That's not a greek gift, that's just a gift" lmao
@SeddincY
@SeddincY 5 месяцев назад
8:01 "knight g5 and a half " 😂😂
@WHAT-gm1xm
@WHAT-gm1xm Год назад
How to play in stuck position make a video
@kennycampbell24
@kennycampbell24 10 месяцев назад
Omg I was dying laughing this entire video 😂
@dixonbeejay
@dixonbeejay 4 месяца назад
Same😂😂😂
@Adistakos_abalos
@Adistakos_abalos 2 месяца назад
13:04 Ben, he doesn't gift you because you call him peter. Maybe he prefers Petros instead. Call him like that and he might gift you with a smile for once
@Remro88
@Remro88 Год назад
"When you play moves like a6, you don't live long " This is so true i believe , for if someone lived long playing that , he would have his name associated with the opening. Since it s not the case, every one that played 1... a6 must have died young ! "truth hurts " ? :)
@TheRebellion-X
@TheRebellion-X Год назад
Damm I've reached this position a lot of times..
@SauceBoss14
@SauceBoss14 Год назад
There’s good and there’s not good, fifth is not good
@antisowshl
@antisowshl Год назад
the “24 dollars for manhattan” gambit
@panpan-vz3om
@panpan-vz3om Год назад
Second is not that bad.
@TalsBadKidney
@TalsBadKidney Год назад
Except for one thing
@andrewferguson6901
@andrewferguson6901 Год назад
Watch our for a german gift!
@davoodoh3137
@davoodoh3137 Год назад
2001 game 16 years ago 😂
@SerendipityChild
@SerendipityChild Год назад
I'm not GM Ben Finegold 😞
@pierus01
@pierus01 Год назад
I wonder if people keep calling it "the greek gift" because they think it has something to do with the greeks, or if they just translate the surname of the player "Gioacchino Greco". It shouldn't be called "The Greco gift"? I mean, I do not call Ben "Beniamino OroBene" ...
@Nn-3
@Nn-3 Год назад
It isn't clear. Some say it's because of allusions to the Trojan horse, others say it's related to Greco.
@elg7365
@elg7365 Год назад
Imagine thinking all that
@Talos4444
@Talos4444 Год назад
​@@Nn-3no it's clear, he was named precisely after him. Just English ppl translate it with Greek Gift, French or Spanish ppl refers it as "Greco". It has just with the tendency of English speaker to translate everything since it's the only language they know, but other languages comunities can understand to not translate surnames lol
@conalldoyle7114
@conalldoyle7114 Год назад
Im watching this in santorini… terrible
@shadourow-bathory6965
@shadourow-bathory6965 Год назад
14:40 "Did anybody ever tell you to walk your king up the board in the opening ?" "Yes !!" "No."
@emailjwr
@emailjwr Год назад
Actually, Daffy duck asked the abominable snowman what are the distinguishing characteristics of a bunny rabbit, and bugs bunny used the answer to convince the snowman to take Daffy hostage. Ben tried to make an analogy, and as we all know....
@fallintoadream
@fallintoadream 11 месяцев назад
Terrible!
@gibraltar5059
@gibraltar5059 Год назад
My favourite GM, mr. Gift.
@TheToxicBishop
@TheToxicBishop Год назад
That "let me hook you up" line at 21:35 cracked me the fuck up!😂 💔
@CharlieLeo-z9q
@CharlieLeo-z9q Год назад
37 years old i feel like the kid in the back of the class
@Geelse_zot
@Geelse_zot Год назад
Hey Ben! I won a game today after playing the Greek gift. I knew it was going to work because Black's light squared bishop could not participate. Learned it from this video!
@marvinabarquez8915
@marvinabarquez8915 3 месяца назад
I finally found an online coach after all these years
@Bach432hz
@Bach432hz Год назад
Thanks for the great content!!
@danielolmo9
@danielolmo9 Год назад
The Greek gift comes from the great player of the past Gioachino Greco (Greco = Greek)
@felixskinner8334
@felixskinner8334 Год назад
Is that definite? I always assumed it was named after the Trojan Horse (i.e. The saying 'beware Greeks bearing gifts')
@tetrisbit
@tetrisbit Год назад
@@felixskinner8334 that's what i thought it was named after too
@you_dont_ha
@you_dont_ha Год назад
​@@felixskinner8334 actually the phrase is beware of the Danae bearing gifts, regarding an older tribe that habitated greek region in 15th century BC. Although the phrase is bestowed to Laokontas from Virgil's Aeneis poem, written in the 1st century A.C in latin, it stays true to the fact that the word hellenic (greek) did not exist at the time of the Troy seige. So "Greek gif"t is definitely not an actual historic reference, rather than a later paraphrasing of the quote. Tl;dr, it's probably closer to Greco's use of the move than the ancient quote.
@Talos4444
@Talos4444 Год назад
​@@felixskinner8334Yeah definitive, he made a book abt chess in which he explained a lot of tattics we take for granted now (can't remember exactly, but some checkmate patterns); but it's name was given mainly to this bishop sacrifice. Ps: obv "Greco" means Greek in Italian, but it was just his surname. Much like if a Spanish called "Blanco" discovers a new move and they label it as "White Move" Not much sense but it's what is it
@King.Mark.
@King.Mark. 6 месяцев назад
500 lbs 🍌
@MrCupidd
@MrCupidd Год назад
Chevy Chase?
@skakdosmer
@skakdosmer Год назад
I could be wrong, but I know Miles had diabetes, so I suspect his early death had more to do with that, than how he played chess. Or do you mean to suggest that risky chess causes diabetes?
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