The Grim Story of Victoria Mendoza 

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I don't believe in enabling. This is what happens when such people as this Victoria has enablers all around. They get more power to be evil.

The mother is to blame for the outcome

@@P9rkour90 That is the dumbest thing I've read all day.

If someone punched my (future) child in the face and knocked their tooth out, I’d definitely call the cops and press charges. What’s wrong with the mum

@@pinkbombshellcasing2672 Maybe. If it was a stranger or random acquaintance, absolutely. A lover or spouse? There would be a LOT of conversation first. It may still land how you think, but it by no means is black and white.

I must agree with you. She said she wanted to respect her daughter's wishes. Umm, you knock my kid's tooth out and she's all bloody...ummmm, I don't care what my daughter wishes. I am going to step in and that's it!!

@@lisasangria1086 yupp. My mom would give both of us some ass whooping and kick her out of the house with a restraining order

Sometimes it isn't that easy I was in abusive releshit for 5yrs :/ it ruined me

In domestic violene cases, the police won't do anything if the perpretator is female. Usually, males are the 1rst victim of that type of discrmination but they forgot bis and lesbs. edit : it's DV not DM.

@@yahnservices1978 my nipples are leaking

Preach

You understand her daughter was an adult? If she'd called the police she probably would never have seen her again. She lost a child and you're judging her. WOW 😳😣

@@trisha7976 It was the mom's home. Her house, her decisions.

@@scallopohare9431The person I was talking to deleted her comment. But still, it doesn't matter who's house. You shouldn't judge her period. Especially if you haven't been in her situation and lost a child. It wasn't neglect. Her daughter was an adult. I'm sure she regrets not calling the police but even if she had we don't know what would have happened. Her daughter may have bailed her out of jail and lived in a tent. It may have still ended the same. Victoria had threatened to kill her back when they were first together. I just don't think it's right to judge her mom. Maybe because I've lost a child and have regrets. You always blame yourself or wish you'd done some things differently.

@@trisha7976 Even IF she'd never seen her daughter again wouldn't that still be better than her daughter being dead? At least she would know she did everything she could to protect her.

Exactly 💯

What an ignorant thing to say lmao

@@puppytooth.v6502 why?

@@puppytooth.v6502 we found an abuser everybody 🤣

@@nejateshetu7826 because they're abusive and don't want us calling them out.

Thank god I’m homely and boring 😆

Yep every time. Also never give people the shirt off your back it’s too dangerous.

@@judewishedhimselfout I wouldn’t say never ….

The brighter your light shines the more it burns people who are not used the sun.

@@liveyourlife495 so you shine bright and make sure to keep your shadow handy 🖤

Well said, they are responsible for what happened.

i mean, is that also true of other teen girls who are killed by their abusive teen boyfriends instead? this take reeks of bias

@@omnibussy If the same red flags are present, yes.

@@omnibussy lol how do you figure *that*

@@omnibussy Not bias. Common sense. I don't care what gender, race, religion or planet one is from, they lay a finger on my child I am putting them in the hospital.

Couldn't have said it better myself

TY :) @@thatguyty4815

Do you think that they could have prevented it tho? Victoria is obviously sick in the head

Yup

100%

That wasn't the one deciding factor. The main was getting with someone who is in detention while in detention. Tawnee was not a bad person at heart. Just because opposites attracts doesn't mean they are good for each other.

One decision brought her to her ultimate death. Makes me wonder if everything is already planned? Every action of ours has an outcome we might never know!

@@deetalks962 So true! Just yesterday I decided to wait before clipping my toenails and today I tripped. When I did, my big toenail cut my toe next to it. I'll always wonder: If I decided to trim them yesterday, would my toe be bleeding now? It's questions like this that make you wonder about the mysteries of life.

@@willnagy3448 That was the start of it - it what I mean. They would never have met if Tawnee hadn't been so kind and taken the rap for her friends. It's like fate stepped in.

RIP to get but she literally ignored 500 red flags.. her and her parents

Hard to judge people just trying to love their kid But ya that’s hard to overlook idk either

Her parents basically enabled Victoria to continue they had full right and authority to kick her out and call the police

Because they were lesbians and didn’t wanna be judgmental. They were respecting their contemporary life style

I agree

At some point we must take responsibility for our own actions and stop blaming others.

Ya…is it just me or was she really proud of herself when she said that 🙄🤮

@@Robinson67ikr!

Truly narcissistic

She’s an evil sociopath

That apology was so obviously fake. It was entirely a manipulation tactic. She didn't sound remorseful. She sounded optimistic like she had a plan to win her girlfriend back, and get what she wants. She was confident she would get away with what she did. She is evil.

They just wanted to do anything they thought would make Tawnee there baby girl happy. Just awful all the way round.

I agree. Parents gave that psychopath the green light no matter what she did. At that point she knew she can get away with abusing their daughter.

Nope u can judge...permissive parenting at its finest. People like this think its loving and respectful to not judge or push their agenda on their kids but its not, its cruel. Its cruel not to warn your child away from an abuser. It's cruel to have allowed someone like this to ingratiate themselves into your home. Kids need boundaries and parents are not being cruel to set appropriate ones

Liberals trying too hard to be open-minded, discounting obvious red flags to feel better and virtue signal about their own naive open-mindedness. Or, at least, that's what it made me think of.

@@mamacito1795 Agreed, which is why I like responsive parenting. It’s gentle parenting, but they aren’t push overs, educate their kids, and set up boundaries.

True

Yep.Dead on.

So true

The accuser is the one that is cheating. They do that to try and divert the attention away from what they are really doing !!!!

Yepp!! 99.9% of the time the accuser is the the one doing exactly what they're accusing the other of

I don’t blame her friends and family because sometimes when you stand in the way of a couple that you see is going real bad, you can cause a rift between your connection with that person. I get were you are coming from but a lot of folk hope that it could be something that can be over looked for the sake of not getting involved in someone else’s business. I’ve heard cops not jump into some situations of straight couples fighting because they get told their services aren’t needed even though the chick is physically beaten and was the possible caller. Then they won’t press charges on the abuser. Remember the victim was 18 years old. She was no longer a child (in the eyes of the law). Another thing I’ve heard about people in domestic cases is that the partner is in fear of leaving the abuser because they are afraid of the threats. I’ve heard more threats in these kinds of stories go through with it. To be honest it’s like being stuck between a rock and a hard place. To her maybe she saw it as keep your friends close but your enemies closer. I don’t know I’m just saying don’t go to rough on the family and friends, it’s a lot harder when you are in the situation. I’ve been the friend that gets cut off. I’ve been one of the family members that heard one of their loved one call off the cops on their abuser. It takes it out more on your mental health sometimes then a physical one. You’d be surprised how fragile the mind and body are when put under extreme situations. For this girl to possibly never had seen these types of issues might have been harder for her to understand.

@@DiaryOfALesbianGamer true, but the physical abuse gets worse, and worse and it’s time to step in. Maybe the victim just needs someone to talk to her to wake her up from the abusive relationship

@Diary of a Lesbian Gamer I don't blame her friends so much, but her parents dropped the ball. As a victim, it's really hard to put them in jail. It can be more empathy than fear most of the time. They punch you in the face and you still don't want to ruin their life. Makes no sense, but that's how it is. The mom should've been the strong one in that situation! Parents are the protector and should only be worried about their child's safety. You do everything you can so if God forbid something like this happens, you don't spend the rest of your life wondering if she would still be alive if you put the abuser in jail. And you do it because it's the only way to keep your child safe, knowing it will continue to escalate. The type of people that can say they love you and then beat you, do NOT change. Please intervene any chance you get and don't worry about who will be mad at you!

@@awright119021 you are 100% correct, they saw the abuse their daughter was endearing and it might have contributed to their daughter’s fear because no one was willing to kick the girlfriend out. Even her home wasn’t a safe spot. The problem is the parents empathize too much with the girlfriend. Yes it’s great to help her get a job and not want her to be homeless. But at the end of the day she’s still the abuser and the victim was their daughter and should of been first priority. They might have thought she would change but she was too troubled and even at the end she was more concerned about herself going to jail than the fact she killed a girl she supposedly loved

Because they were lesbians and didn’t wanna be judgmental. They were respecting their contemporary life style

Parents could have kicked Victoria to the curb! Now they suffer for it & I’m sure they’d do different, given a chance.

@@Betina17 i hope so too, for the sake of their own daughter. Rip Tawnee

This... Tawnee confided to her STEPmother that she felt terrified and trapped in this toxic couple. She didn't even dare to tell that to her passive parents. She needed a haven and a safe place and her own parents opened this safe place to her murderer

Trapped? That drunk pothead stayed with her and took her back dozens of times. She could’ve got away anytime she wanted. She never wanted to leave.

@@VishusVenom Oo look we got a tough guy

The highest rate of domestic violence is between lesbian couples.

PERFECT example

Most toxic people are like that, others would even go as being physically ab¥sive as a form of love, then convince their victims to believe that once they stop beating them up its a sign of no longer interested.

@@flm8580 you're in therapy right? Because that's very unhealthy

@@marahesther nice

@@marahesther I was a tad jealous too, but would NEVER hit a person, take their phone, cut off their friends, take their car keys, or anything like that. Every single time I was like that with (only certain bf's), it was because they WERE cheating, and I was seeing signs but being too niave to pay attention to them. Long story short, I just stopped dating all together (4 years since my last date, next month- November 2018). I don't have to worry anymore and it's a God send. My trust in people has returned.

@@MsMichigan I stopped dating and trying to make friends because people are so predictably unpredictable. Every single one. I’d rather be single, free to mingle, and never have to worry about anyone else but myself. I highly recommend it! If people aren’t able to be self sufficient and mature, I’m out. If there are any red flags in out, instantly. In sickness and in health? Nope. Only in health and health is when I’ll stick around. I’m not here to be a daddy.

How could they let her shitty girlfriend live in their home!? That’s really unhealthy and serious responsibility for young people. I think that the fact they were females, made it ok. They probably wouldn’t have let a boyfriend live in their house and sleep with their daughter. I know we’re mandated to be LGBTQ friendly regardless of anything, but F that. This whole thing makes me uncomfortable. My daughters dating a girl? Fine. You can see her got a couple hours after you finish your homework. Then come home. Alone!

I agree but their daughter by this time was an adult.. what they should of done was never let their daughters girl friend liv in their home.. the parents judgment was poor

@@rgs6236 I agree

@@rgs6236 the parents were totally negligent dingbats. They taught their daughter to take the fall for others at the detriment of her own life.. that's just fucking stupid. Yes standing up for friends is the right thing to do but being a "fall guy" at the expense of your own well being is stupidity. Self preservation is important. So may times throughout this story Tawny's self preservation was set aside.. it wasn't just Victoria who was responsible for Tawny's stabbimg.. so many people were complicit to create an environment for this incident to occur

@@dawnjohnson9726 I’m in total agreement with u 👏🏽

100%

What kills me is that Tawnee told her stepmother that she wanted out. Like, I don't know why she didn't move Tawnee in with her and help her safely leave Victoria. She could have phoned Tawnee's mother and kicked Victoria out. It just baffles me.

no way would i tolerate that shot especially in my own house. id have to go to jail too if someone did that to my kid

the mother wasn't in a hard spot, she made shit decisions period

Very open minded parents

@@Kevlar333 There's a difference between open minded and idiotic. Bad parents.

Sentences you never want to say.

Right just stupid

What is,"Things no rational or intelligent person who has children would ever, ever say.", for 200, Alex!! 🙃

I agree. I have found that since I was young I had a really nasty jealous streak so remained single for the past decade trying to better myself. I no longer have that Jealous streak but prefer to be single now.

@@sarahaiken7089 I'm glad you recognized it and worked on yourself. Kudos!

Rest in piss indeed

As a close friend of a lesbian friend who was in an abusive relationship for years, I can tell you some of the most insecure and jealous people on this planet are "butch" lesbians around Victoria's age (late teens to mid 20s). Psychologically, many of them have yet to truly be comfortable in their identity and they are constantly thinking their more feminine mate will find a man who is able to steal her away, or otherwise gain access to her body. Some of them have a hard time accepting that their partner loves them, because at that stage in their life so many of them hate themselves (for either not being beautiful enough and/or not being "manly" enough to be worthy of a loving attractive partner).

@@sarahaiken7089 I was literally gonna post the same. I'm happy to see there other self aware people in this world. I hope things change for you one day and you get back your urge to find love again. I also gave up and perfer being single but I'm never gonna close the door on love. Maybe one day but for now I need to work on myself. Alot of people need to know this because it would decrease these horribly toxic relationships.

but we're into it :(

I agree, 100%!

I have a good take on this. Whilst I don't disagree with your statement, if the father/mother were to follow through with that, one of two things could happen. If the father/mother acted on their urge and told Tawnee she was never to see Victoria again; either a) Tawnee wouldn't listen to them and/or b) Tawnee would resent them, run away and never want to see them again or for many years. Now that's thinking worse case scenario, which what I assume the parents were thinking. While the outcome was tragic, as a parent, you can only do what you can to raise them. As soon as they become of age, as much as you want to protect them, they are ultimately responsible for making their own decisions. And I know you're probably thinking "I would rather her be here and hate me than to be gone". That's definitely a thought that they'll probably think about every day for the rest of their life.

I agree, I always tell my loved ones that if I don't trust their partners. I know they hate me for it, but better safe then sorry

As someone who has been in abuse and didn't even recognize that I was being abused until I was out, this statement is completely oblivious to the fact that even when friends and family recognize abuse might be happening it actually far more dangerous to point it out. When my friends started pointing out that I was being abused to help me get away I started getting physically attacked by my boyfriend, he almost killed me one night. Next time think about that type of stuff before you make comments like this

You knew something was off your daughter told you so! Guess what the parents financially helped her like wtvf

#ty! #tysm for jus...c tht shit Sarah 🤍

Something off with that man...

Me too!

Yeah I kinda thought he was acting odd about the whole thing. Maybe that's how he was grieving idk....still odd though

@@vinny160 frankly somethings wrong with both parents.

Lol. Love that last sentence. Frosted tips and a tan 😆

So right about the accuser being the abuser.

she needs to be in a male prison thats where she needs to be let the guys have some fun with her and teach her a lesson.

Eh, I think you mean people that repeatedly accuse with no reason is usually projecting..

@@brad563 No, I said what I said. It's called MY opinion.

@@brad563 If the comment refers only to this case then the commenter is right. But if it's meant to apply generally I agree with you.

Because there is such an enormous appetite for drama.

Always

not when the violent one lays of the substances

its the worst , the hardest 😪 and to try to get out

If she had been old and homely, it would not be a tragedy? Wow, you really are brainwashed.

THIS!

You forget that this girl was already past 18 were even if the parents were to kick out the girl, their daughter didn’t want to press charges. At that point cops can’t do anything and my escalate the situation. I’m not saying I have the answers but put yourself in that mindset as well.

@@DiaryOfALesbianGamer sounds like they needed a professional. Abusive people don’t care if they kill the victim at home or if they get evicted from home. Pity there is no such job where a provider can come and help the victim and help them.

@@DiaryOfALesbianGamer steering them in a different direction doesn’t necessarily mean calling the cops on them or even involving the law..also I’m not advocating controlling them which your saying she’s over 18 would imply. I’m saying remind her she’s loved and she has more value than being hit and controlled. She is worth so much more than what she’s currently receiving. Honestly just being there for them can make a huge difference. But, also, they allowed her abuser to continue living with them and kept helping her. They bought her stuff for her new job days before she murdered their daughter. As a mother, the way they handled it sickens me. These parents passively let their daughter be taken advantage of, they didn’t even attempt to protect her.

@Diary of a Lesbian Gamer you are wrong! Most states will press charges if there is evidence of the abuse. If mom would've called the cops when her daughter was bloody and missing a tooth, the cops would've pressed charges on their own. Laws are slowly changing for domestic violence and that is a really important one. It's incredibly difficult for most victims to press charges so it's necessary for the police to be able to make that choice for them.

Best comment ever! So true!

Even if they aren’t children anymore, they’ll always be your child, your baby, and always need guidance. Everyone needs a parents guidance and love!

It takes a village to raise a child. A village of discernment and a child that really wants love. Not a bad child who doesn’t want to change duh

You are right. Victoria's parents failed.

AMEN 👏

Exactly: she nonstop says “I and me”. She’s a classic narcissist

Where's the full story?

Please extend my condolences to Tawnees family. And condolences to you as well. Sadly, domestic violence comes in many shapes, sizes, colors, and types of relationships. It’s devastating that our society doesn’t seem to pay attention to domestic violence relationships unless it’s a man and women. We have to stop this line of thinking. It’s heartbreaking to see Tawnee and her family betrayed by the women who she claimed to love. I hope Tawnees legacy lives on and her story can help other victims of domestic violence and real changes can be put in place to protect others.

A.J. The people here blaming him are disgusting. You can’t *force your kids* … yet people keep saying _🗣 “Her parents should have never…”_ *Never what* ❓❓❓ 🤷🏼‍♂️ “Allowed” _her_ to choose who she fell in love with? 🤷🏼‍♂️ Been supportive of decisions she made? 🤷🏼‍♂️ Encourage her to break free from abuse? *RU-vid comments are full of people who think they would have made the best decision and would have had a perfect response* _with a totally different outcome._ 🤦🏼‍♂️

Female privilege.......

Define premeditation

@@hazelhadley-britt6396 With all the blatant male privilege in the world i don't know how to take that comment.. No one I mean?

@@kathrynellison5636 I am a female who disagrees with you on the "all the male privilege in the world" comment. A male would have been sentenced for longer. She will be released from prison early too. You either want equality or you do not.

She would have gooten way more if she was a male.

This is true narcissism, misplacing blame, turning it around on the victim and her family and only worried about her wellbeing and fate. Playing the victim card “everyone is against me” so sad that Tawnee was the victim of her narcissistic abuse but stayed in Victorias life trying to do the right thing. I barely escaped with my life from my abuser who played that card on me “your all I have” “everyone else abandoned me” blah blah so tawnee probably stayed more out of concern for Victoria worrying she might hurt herself than concern that Victoria would hurt her and she ultimately lost her life for it. Tragic as hell.

This sounds like a true narcissist

@@astridlove2327 I should really read the comments before I comment because look you said the same damn thing I did LOL

@@beloved8716 lol it just validates that it’s the truth!!

@@astridlove2327 your right! I should have thought about it like that but I'm so used to people being rude and disrespectful on these comments. I'm happy that you are different. Have an awesome day!!💯😊

I completely agree and couldn't have said it better. Sometimes you have to put your foot down.

You realize by that age she was an adult right? Not a child

@@Bruh-mg5ff okay??? does parenting stop at 18?

@@damaris5423 yes bc they are adults who make their own choices. You can give them advice but they will do what they want. This girl made wrong decisions that lead to horrible consequences.

Being 'cool' liberal parents was apparently an important issue with the parents. Go figure, eh?

Thats what I'm saying nobody gonna hurt my daughter or son. Or my nieses and. NEPHEWS

Because they were lesbians and didn’t wanna be judgmental. They were respecting their contemporary life style

That was the point they needed to sit her daughter down and keep her away from Victoria for at least a month. Maybe even convince Tawnee to get a restraining order and end things amicably on the phone and assisted as well. Maybe even Victoria would lay some threats via text and that could be taken to the police as well.

@@Bradmhj to do that as parents that is one thing nothing wrong. But when them as parents doesn't cross the line to save their daughter because of " acceptment. I blame them . No excuses period.

And neither do I. Even when she’s up for parole, don’t consider her to get it.

I knew somebody who said the more you threaten, the more likely you'll act.

The murder gives her street cred. She'll be admired in prison.

Premeditation does not mean planning or even a history of threats. It's a legal term that refers to the moments leading up to the actual murder itself. So let's say someone slights another in some way. They become angry... and walk over to the gun on the table and walk back to the one who insulted them. Then they kill them. That is premeditated murder even if they never had shown any indication prior to this that they would kill them, or that they had planned anything at all. The premeditation is simply the time it took to go to the table, handle the gun, come back and kill the victim. In other words there was a previous (prior to murder) meditation (thought) to commit the actual offense itself. It differs from manslaughter very slightly. There are different levels of murder and manslaughter and courts can argue whether it was manslaughter or murder, but a defense attorney would have to offer a reasonable story to my scenario above to convince others that it wasn't premeditated because of xyz. Now if there is actual planning for that specific murder beforehand then yes it's obviously premeditation. But that is rarely the case in most first degree murder cases. So if we have someone claiming they'll kill another a number of times... and one time they actually do, it doesn't necessarily mean premediation. It could still be a lower level of murder or even manslaughter. As the previous threats are not related to the actual murder. Now during the actual murder if the person says "I'm going to kill you" and does that helps show it was premeditated. All the stuff in the past shows is the perp was a violent or abusive person.

Victoria got P*ssed and had to hold in her rage in public which infuriated her even more. Tawnee was moving away from Victoria. Victoria knew Tawnee was talking to guys. It probably dawned on her that Tawnee was really attracted to the guys in the bar and her time was up. Or at least that is what she might have perceived. Guarantee the second they got into the car Victoria started screaming at her, probably laid some pretty hard blows and fucked her up to the point where she pretty much she was next to finished. Im sure Tawnee at this point had begun fighting back or protecting herself against her attacks. She probably stabbed her a couple times and that was it.

Absolutely right. I hope she rots in hell the piece of shit. The parents will also have to live with the guilt of this too. More so the mother who knew about the jealousy and abuse and did nothing. That poor girl. Made me feel sick to my stomach.

I know people doing 30 years for drugs, I guess life is cheap.she will be out in 8 years

That’s why drugs should not be treated as a crime... a) it is a health issue b) they should be decriminalised. No one should go to jail for addiction.

Utah 🙄

RIGHT! I couldn't believe that!

That’s how they ruin families and by extension communities. It’s nothing new.

@@MomeGnome You clearly dont know how addiction works. Yes you can absolutely be addicted to cannabis. Just like there are those addicted to food. Or sex. ECT. Little lesson for you bud if you are ignorant on a subject it's best not to try to discuss it.

Many adults don't know either.

A trauma bond and control

Not only obsession but lust, a sin against your own body.

Lol be quiet grandma. You came from the generation where men basically owned women

Mom was trying to be a cool mom and acted like a friend, not a mother. Just by the way she looks and carrys herself says she's just trying to fit in. They're also responsible for this girl's death. Their daughter was not mature but it seems they've allowed her to make decisions since coming out of the womb.

You're stuck between a rock and a hard place as a parent. My son is much too young to date, but I'm witnessing this with my 18yo niece: her mother openly doesn't approve of her relationship, but she's an adult, and all that that disapproval achieves is the child not being open about their relationships. My siblings and I have been in relationships that our parents didn't approve of but they kept it to themselves because "they have to figure it out on their own" and they didn't want to be pushed away. Obviously, they would have said something if a relationship was abusive though.

Exactly

@@nalaterswa3038 Where do those "adults" live? On their own? Got jobs to pay rent? They can do as they please. But if they are living at their patents' homes, they should respect their parents' wishes.

Yeah when the dad said ‘but I didn’t want to judge’ Then you just failed as a parent

You must be not that smart ! because of the justice system she got into trouble and got in contact with criminals. If she hadn’t been arrested she would have never been in such a situation . The us has one of the harshest justice systems in the world

@@renjackson6192 Hence, 'the justice system stinks' Maybe you aren't that smart huh?

If she did get hard time she’d be complaining about racism and bias in the Justice system. Oh well hopefully she won’t say anyone was racist to her in this case

@@yallcrazy302 She wouldn't have to worry about any of ot if she was a blonde hair, blue eyed bombshell. They'd spin it to make her the "victim" and give her two months of probation because she "went through enough". I mean, it seems youre asain, so you're bottom of the barrel in the judicial system just like me lmao

For me, it was tahta she never admitted guilty and only bilittle the other person

While I agree, it's also extremely hard to get out of these situations! ESPECIALLY when domestic violence is involved and you genuinely fear for what could be done when trying to leave. When DV is involved, the most dangerous time for the victim is when trying to leave as the other person slowly realises they are loosing their grip on control and are extremely likely to lash out in the most horrendous ways. Definitely a terrible situation to be in, even more so for someone so young who was raised in a sheltered environment, in a middle class suburb. Violence and manipulation was probably a huge shock to her and she didn't know how to ask for help.. Maybe even out of embarrassment 😔 That's also usually a huge factor when guys are killed by their ex-girlfriends... Too embarrassed to speak out with the fear no one will take them seriously. Can only imagine what being in that type of 'relationship' would be like! Poor girl 😏

i agree this makes me so sad

Well said

@@marcusjay8103 I myself escape DV! The hardest battle was with myself because even though he was the devil himself, I still wanted to be with him. But I’m the end I walked away and stayed away from him.

It's not uncommon for the abuser to stop to continue the relationship only to restart the abuse after children are born in the relationship.

@@mtaylor7307 Yeah or Start a Relationship and immediately start abusing them right after the wedding and when they are married as divorce can be hard / frowned upon etc.

They know that when. It's a man.....no one knows what to do if it is a woman...until it is too late. But boys have all these red flags... 😂

@@donaldrobinson7063 Your emoji seems insensitive to the plight of domestic violence victims. For a moment, I almost thought you were trying to make a point. Then, you just got mean and trolled.

@@andrewchapman5659 yes, and often I think from the outside we discount the effect the trauma of violence causes. People are often in shock. I have also seen situations where DV victims are trying to live with what's called, MTBI, mild traumatic brain injury, which is affecting their ability to function and make decisions properly. Judging victims doesn't help them or shed light that would be preventative. Also, PTSD can happen while the violence or abuse is occuring, complicating the issues further

No you aren't.

To put a teenagers life on hold for months is a pretty big deal especially at 17 that can throw off their entire plan of what they wanted to do after graduating. All for weed ? It's insane

Whos tanner?

Honestly never saw it coming, I miss tawnee so much she was such a sweet soul 💔

Nah you can't blame them for tawnee staying with and taking abuse, but my children i would be in jail the first time I noticed my child's abuse, just saying ..nobody gonna hurt my children without consequences from me,and my children are 29 and 31

I would have beat the dog shi* out of Victoria if I were the father

@@chickasawstarrmountain9747 um. Yes we can very much blame the parents. Even when the father first met Victoria, he had a strange feeling about her. When you first meet people, you can already sense their vibes from a mile away. The parents seen the red flags, even witnessed the couple fighting in their own home!! I just can’t believe they gave her only 16 years after she killed that girl over paranoia, jealousy, rage, and just overall being weird.

I’d say the state is partially to blame. Sending a good kid to juvey for some cannabis? Where she can mix with troubled and violent people like Victoria? How ridiculous.

Mos def

because stupid ass white guilt

You give her too much credit. That drunk pothead had piss poor parents, that ultimately led her into a lez abusive relationship. She never wanted to leave and enjoyed most of the drama.

She was clearly jealous of all the attention Tawnee got from her friends and wanted Tawnee for herself only. Her anger, arrogance and extreme temper was her downfall and what lead to Tawnee being killed.

maybe they shouldn't have been so welcoming to her. It's obvious she was no good. SMH.

@@randalthor6872 I agree 100%. Their daughter goes to juvie and brings back a random abusive lesbian woman back with her as her lover… and they don’t question it? Sounds very tolerant and progressive but it cost someone their life. But hey at least the parents weren’t judgmental, right? Smh

@@Everynamestaken69 Isn't it always the same? They rebel against traditionalism so much that they think their dysfunctional family is somehow ok. It's really sad what modernity has done to the nuclear family...especially among certain demographics. We really are entering the dystopic age.

@@randalthor6872 She's not a killer because shes a lesbian? It could have just as easily been a man who abused and killed her

I thought the exact same thing!!😒

Indeed, I agree

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Stop! Most people who had a "shitty upbringing" do not become murderers. There is no excuse for what Victoria did.

@@Liberated_from_Religion what you think is a shitty upbringing is not what I think because you’re talking from your perspective and I’m talking from mine. If you don’t understand, that’s not my problem or business☮️💟.

@@sarahkerns2472 Victoria did have a shitty upbringing, but that is no excuse to murder anyone.

@@Liberated_from_Religion 100% agree.

stop whining

@Thou Swell I saw this episode on web of lies. The dad seems more normal than the mom. Mom needs to realize she's not their friend, she's their mother. Because of her lack of parenting? Her daughter is dead.

I don't know how much guilt they feel, if any at all. Remember, they're liberals. Many of them see the perpetrator as the victim.

I blame them more over her death than Victoria

Wrong.

@@krampusthunderstick3729 wrong how?

@@tanagunda1368 She was an adult who made her own decisions. Her parents can't tell her who to date, and if they tried they would have simply pushed her away. They shared their concerns, and that's the best they can do. No one is to blame for Tawnee's death except Victoria.

@Krampus Thunderstick she was a minor when they started dating, and no the parents enabled bad behavior the mother should have called the police and she hurt tawnee, but no they allowed their daughter to stay with a person who could cause her harm... they basically ignored the signs, as a parent I would rather fight then just stay silent cause I’m scared to push away my child, atleast for something happens I know I did my best.

When you're consumed by jealous rage you can do anything. It's like an adrenaline rush. Until you come down off that high you feel NOTHING.

Crimes of passion are often feral in their execution. Raw animalistic, uncontrollable rage. It's not the "self" that knowingly commits these acts, it's the monster within.

Well vic is a sociopath who has never experienced love or even outgoing concern for anyone unless there was something in it for her

You don't understand that people can claim to love somebody but not love them?

That's Utah for you

@@VickiChristchurchNZ Possession of weed is way too strict. Do agree that driving while high should not be acceptable, its a hallucinogen and can fuck with senses that driving acquires. Alcohol has more cons than weed but it is still legal. Alcohol carries the most dangerous withdrawals, highly addictive, and liver damage. Weed can be a gateway drug with high potential of lung damage if inhaled, but it is not addictive nor carries any withdrawals but it is still federally illegal. Weed was illegalized due to corruption not because the law recognize it was dangerous.

@@VickiChristchurchNZ That's just fear mongering, weed isn't dangerous just because some people are. That's a claim that should be put to rest like "doom caused columbine" or "heavy metal and d&d means you worship satan!" Everything you're saying is just Reefer Madness levels of wrong. Laws are made by people, they aren't self-determined by some greater form of morality. Moreover, the claim that cannabis consumption "depresses empathy" is blatantly incorrect.

@@VickiChristchurchNZ It's not just that we disagree, it's that you're pushing a lot of disingenuous information, and you have no leg to stand on when called out.

@@NormalPersonCommenting They say music can alter moods and talk to you Well, can it load a gun up for you and cock it too? Well, if it can, then the next time you assault a dude Just tell the judge it was my fault, and I'll get sued Believe me if Victoria lived in Riverdale and Listened to CCR and the Beach Boys growing up it wouldnt have matttered if she smoked weed or not. She grew up in the Bad Part of town and well learned the shady streets / gangs

Agree