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The Hardest Speech Check in Mass Effect (and How to Pass It) 

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“You’re a bean counter, Jeong. I’m a Spectre. Tell me… how good are those odds?”
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In this video we’re going to talk about the unexpected final boss of speech checks in Mass Effect. Now I’m not talking about Wrex on Virmire, Saren on the Citadel, or Jack and Miranda’s blowout fight in Mass Effect 2, … no those speech checks are child’s play compared to the psychological warfare required to convince Ethan Jeong to stand down on Feros.
After defeating the Geth and rescuing Lizbeth Baynham, we return to find Jeong in full-on meltdown mode. Having heard about the Geth attack and the threat to the Thorian, Exogeni has ordered Jeong to have the entire Zhu’s Hope colony purged in an attempt to cover up the company’s misdeeds.
You can actually convince Jeong to stand down peacefully with a speech check, but it’s the most difficult check to pass in the game. Renegade players will need 10 points in the intimidate skill to unlock the corresponding speech option. And it’s even more difficult for paragons, who need a fully charged maxed out 12 points in charm in order to unlock the paragon speech check.
By way of comparison, you only need 8 points in either charm or intimidate to convince Wrex to stand down or Virmire and to convince Saren to take his own life on the Citadel at the end of the game. Think about that for a second, it’s easier to convince Wrex to willfully destroy a genophage cure and Saren to resist indoctrination from a powerful sentient AI than it is to convince Ethan Jeong to not be a corporate shill.
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Комментарии : 742   
@Citadel2190
@Citadel2190 2 года назад
"It's easier to convince Saren to resist indoctrination from a powerful sentient A.I. than it is to convince Ethan Jeong to not be a corporate shill."
@catfish1319
@catfish1319 Год назад
It's easy use a gun
@darrienjones8917
@darrienjones8917 Год назад
Tells you a lot about society
@Blox117
@Blox117 Год назад
the rEApers
@DragonEmperor183
@DragonEmperor183 Год назад
Lol
@redtsun67
@redtsun67 Год назад
American citizen employed by Amazon
@Two-for-One_half-off
@Two-for-One_half-off 2 года назад
Jeong canonically has a stronger will than both a Krogan Warlord and Indoctrinated Saren.
@ironduke5058
@ironduke5058 Год назад
You gotta respect the hustle. Dude was on his grind 24/7
@jamesverner9132
@jamesverner9132 9 месяцев назад
CEO mindset defies reality
@austinbutcher8106
@austinbutcher8106 4 месяца назад
I think they fixed tht in LE cuz I had the renegade to sway jeong but nt enough to convince saren
@Tall-Hobbit
@Tall-Hobbit 4 месяца назад
@@austinbutcher8106i think saren requires 12 charm now as well but saren is a lot later in the game than feros and if you don’t do noveria first I believe it is impossible to do the ethan jeong charm. Since it requires your paragon bar to be 75% full.
@Dark_Voice
@Dark_Voice 2 года назад
Imagine trying to debate with this guy if he got indoctrinated on top of his already strong corporate indoctrination 😂
@gibster9624
@gibster9624 2 года назад
Dude, this guy might be so lost in the sauce not even the Reapers could indoctrinate him. lol
@BestSpartansForever
@BestSpartansForever 2 года назад
indoctrination-ception
@ArakkoaChronicles
@ArakkoaChronicles 2 года назад
@@gibster9624 Harbinger: "Evolution cannot be stopped." Jeong: "Yeah, but what do I get out of it?" Harbinger: "Assuming direct control." Jeong: "Oh yeah, that's the way you want it to be? COME ON, COME ON!"
@VEC7ORlt
@VEC7ORlt 2 года назад
Just throw him out of the airlock.
@kuronanestimare
@kuronanestimare 2 года назад
He's immune to such concepts as "Outside Indoctrination" because he sold his soul to the Company Store.
@Coco-buns
@Coco-buns 2 года назад
If you convince Jeong and then talk to Kaidan after this mission, He’ll ask for you to advocate for him whenever he gets a parking ticket
@michakrol1684
@michakrol1684 2 года назад
I allways focus on maxing out my charm/intimidation and tend to do feros after doing therum, noveria and most of the side quest's so finding out this speech-cheek is that hard is a huge suprise for me
@danspawn85
@danspawn85 2 года назад
I alway just focus on Maxing out Charm as soon as I can. Vendor pricing mostly.
@christineherrmann205
@christineherrmann205 2 года назад
This.
@jessiefanshaw3038
@jessiefanshaw3038 2 года назад
Same!
@gangrel321
@gangrel321 2 года назад
Me too I never realised it was this hard
@CaptainRudy4021
@CaptainRudy4021 2 года назад
Same
@BurningEarthProductions
@BurningEarthProductions 2 года назад
"Now we're shooting each other in the back!" "Well, technically I shot him in the front..." 😂
@kmoore9137
@kmoore9137 2 года назад
Lol I read this comment right as he was saying it
@CaptainRudy4021
@CaptainRudy4021 2 года назад
Back to the front!
@TheArchemman
@TheArchemman 2 года назад
Actually, it looked more like Shepard shot him in the face.
@taylorstratford9717
@taylorstratford9717 2 года назад
@@TheArchemman Still the front. Unless somehow there's a "Back" of your face
@ArakkoaChronicles
@ArakkoaChronicles 2 года назад
That's a Renegade Shepard comment if I've ever seen any.
@awesomehpt8938
@awesomehpt8938 2 года назад
Why talk to Ethan Jeong when you can speak to Fai Dan about the colony. He’s the only one you should talk to about that.
@leediaz5690
@leediaz5690 2 года назад
​@Atman Gotango lol sounds like you been controlled by the Thori......... Aaaagrrh. Yup ask Fai Dan about the colony
@allenharper2928
@allenharper2928 Год назад
This is not the problem you should worry about. Talk to Fai Dan to learn where you will do the most good.
@shadowbear1231
@shadowbear1231 Год назад
I don't know anything about that. You really should ask Fai Dan about that. I gotta get back to my task
@charleybrett1663
@charleybrett1663 2 года назад
Rather than waste time with indoctrination, the reapers should have just used the most powerful persuasion tool there is... money
@skyhawkslcb18
@skyhawkslcb18 2 года назад
uhhhhhhh, no. money doesn't work with people that have strong moral codes.
@tyrayentali7041
@tyrayentali7041 2 года назад
@@skyhawkslcb18 They only have those in movies and games.
@skyhawkslcb18
@skyhawkslcb18 2 года назад
@@tyrayentali7041 just because you don’t have one doesn’t mean others don’t. Speak for yourself.
@alexanderinoa7850
@alexanderinoa7850 2 года назад
​ @Tali'Zorah Vas Normandy Lmao true
@nathanielgarza9198
@nathanielgarza9198 Год назад
@@skyhawkslcb18 Nietzsche believed morality is based on convenience to consolidate an ego As in instead of overthrowing the upper class we cope with our oppression by making up ways we’re better then them like frugality Morality like Hollywood is meant to be simple and agreeable so we leave feeling better we’re not the ones in control
@bbb4228
@bbb4228 2 года назад
I usually just shoot Jeong because he’s the most annoying character in the first game.
@chaosakazero
@chaosakazero 2 года назад
But he isn't a big stupid jellyfish
@dirkbsilver9260
@dirkbsilver9260 2 года назад
I hate him and that blond security chick on Noveria.
@ZockerStudiosOfficial
@ZockerStudiosOfficial 2 года назад
@@chaosakazero this person dont like this name… this person wants to be called blasto XD
@Tydorstus
@Tydorstus 2 года назад
@@chaosakazero nor a certian reporter
@gaunterodimm3606
@gaunterodimm3606 2 года назад
I've passed the speech check by accident before and reloaded just so I can shot him. As far of characters go, morally he's pretty trash.
@skyhawkslcb18
@skyhawkslcb18 2 года назад
"it's just so ridiculous" so true. i bust out laughing every time Jeong starts waving his arms around and Shepard is like "so anyway i started blasting"
@GenerationWest
@GenerationWest 2 года назад
He was the only character I didn't get a get a speech check on, even though I did everything right in the mission... But learning if you don't kill him or not, as long you save everyone, everything is fine in the future. (Also, I did this mission like a week ago lol)
@loganwatkins737
@loganwatkins737 2 года назад
I just did it and still didn’t get it😂😂😂
@jameshill8493
@jameshill8493 2 года назад
Dude started talking crazy so I had to blast his ass🤷‍♂️ the galaxies a dangerous place
@richardgaldos6901
@richardgaldos6901 2 года назад
I always hated how I could only get the Paragon option when I did a NewGame+ Because I really like the implication of ExoGeni realizing they got a PR boost here and jumping in to help save the Colony making the lives of the survivors that much better.
@letrollman
@letrollman 2 года назад
You can also pass this charm/intimidate check thanks to Noveria/Lorik Qui'in glitch.
@Berek71182
@Berek71182 2 года назад
Or save Foeros for last. But for Newbie Players, it's nearly impossible. When talking to Anderson and Udina on Space Dock about your three options, they make clear that Feros is under attack -> get there first to help the people and save the rumours (Noveria) for later.
@xenon8117
@xenon8117 2 года назад
Go kill some pyjacks for renegade points.
@amyhoard1222
@amyhoard1222 2 года назад
Technically you prob could get it in the 1st playthough, if you waste enough skill points in the charm skill before getting to him. I just find it too wasteful so everyone in the speech check convos ends up killed in round 1 then I use intimidate in the 2nd round so everyone lives even though I'm being mean to them.
@drifter139
@drifter139 2 года назад
you didn't do all the side quests before reaching this point? if you did, you could have maxed out Charm stat and been allowed to use the Paragon option
@sherry356
@sherry356 2 года назад
Renegade: "I'm a Spectre, start talking." (Thane's loyalty mission)
@Mabra51
@Mabra51 9 месяцев назад
The balls on this dude to stand up to a a spectre and his squad while he has nothing but a scientist garb and a peashooter.
@dgfjdfgjfdgjfdgjfdgjfdgj
@dgfjdfgjfdgjfdgjfdgjfdgj 2 года назад
I didnt know this dialogue option was so rare, I did it in every playthrough
@Fizz-Pop
@Fizz-Pop 2 года назад
Not hard tbh. Dude just thought it was hard coz it was for him.
@nikik5567
@nikik5567 2 года назад
Same. I’ve never not gotten the paragon option to unlock
@pilosopino23
@pilosopino23 2 года назад
@@Fizz-Pop If you're starting a brand new game, you need a maxed out paragon skill.. Feros is one of the earliest missions in the game.. even if you play it laat among the priority missions, you need to reach a certain level to even get to max paragon. Objectively, that's a pretty big requirement for such an early game mission.. it's not subjectively difficult.. come on, don't be so snobby and pretentious..
@General12th
@General12th 2 года назад
@@Fizz-Pop You're wrong. It is hard.
@Lelouchxzero1
@Lelouchxzero1 2 года назад
It's hard in comparison, but not hard for Bioware players since they know to always go for speech checks. After all knights of the old Republic Persuasion was broken af
@yutingsooi5691
@yutingsooi5691 2 года назад
So I’m not the only one who think this speech check is hard to pass 😂 I remember that the only time I passed it is because I chose all paragon dialogue options previously, and somehow it’s enough to pass it
@dmitryd8036
@dmitryd8036 2 года назад
Btw, I think I had the paragon speech check available in my first playthrough, and I definetely couldn't have much paragon score yet... I was playing mostly as paragon, but before Feros I only recruited Liara plus did almost all quests on the citadel, and later on Virmare I was unable to pass Seran's speech check. So maybe conditions for that speech check on Feros were changed in Legendary Edition? And anyway I didn't choose the speech check that time, it's just a wrong solution for the situation.😈
@riftshredder5438
@riftshredder5438 2 года назад
I think the real most difficult speech check to pass is in Knights of the Old Republic where that crazy guy locks himself in a locker in Manaan and refuses to come out no matter what you say, I always end up sticking my lightsaber in that locker and killing the guy just so he can shut up lol
@Dyeplex
@Dyeplex 2 года назад
Kotor 1 & 2 are goated
@riftshredder5438
@riftshredder5438 2 года назад
@@Dyeplex I haven't had any problems in KOTOR 2
@riftshredder5438
@riftshredder5438 2 года назад
@BigOmegaTV dang
@levicarnus1591
@levicarnus1591 2 года назад
I remembered this specifically when I started Mass Effect Legendary Edition. If you pull off the paragon speech check and talk to Ashley after completing Feros, she'll say it was kinda creepy how you handled Ethan Jeong and that she didn't think you knew how to speak corporate. There's also a news story that plays on the elevators at the Citadel that talks about ExoGeni's stock price going up. For those who couldn't pull this off, the easiest (if not only) way to get enough points in Charm for the paragon speech check is to do everything else, including Virmire, and go to Feros last. You only need 75% of the paragon bar to unlock 12 Charm and I believe I had a full bar when I got to Feros.
@RyanBurnsRed
@RyanBurnsRed 2 года назад
You don't need to do Virmire before Feros to pass this speech check. You just need to go for Paragon (at least I did) right from the beginning and do a lot of assignments in between the main missions. I had paragon pretty much maxed by the time I got to Feros. When I do Virmire last I always pass the speech check with Saren near the end of that mission, which affects whether or not you fight him twice during Battle of the Citadel. My main mission route is: Liara > Noveria > Feros > Virmire. The only speech check I ever failed was Noveria: Espionage. Then I learned you get more Paragon points simply refusing to do that mission from the get go than completing it for the exp and 2 Paragon points
@066kshitizvsingh4
@066kshitizvsingh4 Год назад
tbf Noveria has the Lorik Quinn glitch that allows you to get infinite paragon/renegade. And since that mission is super early into Noveria, if one really wants to save him while wanting to do Feros first, one can theoretically just spend 15 mins(ish) on Noveria, finish Feros, and then complete Noveria
@selfinexile
@selfinexile Год назад
I got that elevator news story even though I did the intimidate option and was utterly confused why their stock was going up
@silvy3047
@silvy3047 2 года назад
I never even noticed there was a check here, hearing him yell "come on, come on!" with such fury before Shepard shoots him is too funny
@nathanwinters2400
@nathanwinters2400 2 года назад
I've rarely failed this because I hold off on Zhu's Hope for as long as possible lol
@Delimon007
@Delimon007 Год назад
This, it's one of my least favorite missions to do with those thorian creepers being literal walking tanks LOL
@zerothefaceless4888
@zerothefaceless4888 18 дней назад
I failed it since it was under the geth attack, so it seemed logical to go there first before more people die.
@j0ann
@j0ann 2 года назад
This is such a crazy requirement so early in the game! By the way, to any non-subscribers, we discussed this last night on the video Big Dan streamed while playing this mission. It's totally worth the subscription fee to tune in for the fun and the action. Just saying.
@faust286
@faust286 2 года назад
was surprised to see it was Jeong, for me was never an issue talking him down, however i always had issues with the speech checks for Rafael Vargas all the way through even for endgame. wonder if it depends on wheather you start Noveria or Feros first.
@funnynameforme4091
@funnynameforme4091 2 года назад
lol same didn't have enough for the last one
@juzoli
@juzoli 2 года назад
I always easily passed this speech check, until one time when I did this mission before Noveria. It was a surprise… And I was also surprised, that the paragon option is cold blooded murder as well… Paragon Shepard should refuse to shoot first, and see what happens.
@gibster9624
@gibster9624 2 года назад
I mean technically the guy does draw his weapon first so it's understandable he takes him down.
@juzoli
@juzoli 2 года назад
@@gibster9624 When. No, he doesn’t, he only draws it when he choose an other option than red/blue. The only other time he draws weapon is when he hears noise from the general direction of the Geth attack, but that’s understandable.
@gibster9624
@gibster9624 2 года назад
@@juzoli you're choosing the speech option but he draws before Shepard.
@juzoli
@juzoli 2 года назад
@@gibster9624 Coincidentally, I just did this mission like 3 hours ago. No he doesn’t draw weapon. Not even at the beginning when he hears the noise, he just points fingers. Is the pistol in his hands? Yes. Does he raise it any time during the conversation when he is charmed? Nope.
@gibster9624
@gibster9624 2 года назад
@@juzoli dude he literally shows the cutscene with a dern pistol in his hand. Lol
@KaitoGillscale
@KaitoGillscale Год назад
Since they never patched it out, just do the glitch on that snow world. The one where you agree to get back that Turian guy’s info…the one at the bar. You can paragon or renegade speech check it when you ask him to testify against the Salarian dude. Once you succeed, ask him a question…return to the main dialogue wheel, and the option to testify comes up again. I think it’s like 6 paragon/renegade and you can do this infinitely for full bars on both. Not only does this help you beat all the skill checks in 1, but importing the save into 2 gives you a nice bonus for your ME2 shep.
@corditesniffer8020
@corditesniffer8020 6 месяцев назад
I found out about this exploit maybe two or so years ago now it’s a go to with old mate Lorik 😊
@KnoxCarbon
@KnoxCarbon 2 месяца назад
Doesn't that cause major issues with importing your save into the 2nd game?
@KaitoGillscale
@KaitoGillscale 2 месяца назад
@@KnoxCarbon nope, not a single issue. You’re technically not doing anything besides giving yourself a head start. It saves your last action as canon so you can do what you want until then.
@nerochaos99
@nerochaos99 2 года назад
I love all your content so much and I cannot wait for new Mass effect stuff to hear some Big Dan takes. I should go.
@deadmankino
@deadmankino 2 года назад
I was surprised to see that this was so hard to do because I always convinced this dude to calm down.
@lucaskeane
@lucaskeane 2 года назад
Me too I Don't remember having troubles with this.
@shylogik
@shylogik 2 года назад
@@lucaskeane you must not do feros early, I did feros as my third mission and still didn’t have enough paragon.
@Vesp3r1987
@Vesp3r1987 2 года назад
For me my first speech check challenge was Mr. Bathia back in the Citadel. But then again my fist ever playthrough i tried to do his side quest immediately after the intro mission P.S. Im sure Jeong is based on some Bioware employee that the game devs just hated 😅
@agemadrid835
@agemadrid835 2 года назад
Hey, so I just started playing this trilogy a few weeks ago and found your channel. And during a convertI had with Captain Anderson, I thought how silly he looks as an npc and thought to myself… damn I wish I could’ve made my character look like him and wondered if it was possible. It would be hilarious to see to Andersons talking to each other
@sayedistrending
@sayedistrending 2 года назад
3:00 It is crazy how you need to invest all these points into Charm / Intimidate in ME1, but BioWare went in a completely different direction for ME2 and ME3 🎮🔫
@Dark_Voice
@Dark_Voice 2 года назад
ME3 is the best as you can choose which one, ME2 is the total nightmare as it forces you to choose one and stick with it while ME1 is how I like it - you wanna be a good speaker? pull skill points into it.
@willfanofmanyii3751
@willfanofmanyii3751 2 года назад
Especially when you carry your progress over from the previous game.
@TempestMaximus
@TempestMaximus 8 месяцев назад
Even I brought Tali and Wrex for that mission and I love their expressions when the security point their guns at them. Tali is like "I can break your tech" and Wrex be like "I can break your bones."
@FireLordJohn3191
@FireLordJohn3191 2 года назад
I’ve memorized your opening. “What’s up everyone? Big Dan here, and today I’m going to talk about…”
@danihutch
@danihutch Год назад
LMAO I so enjoyed that and props to you for recording a response to your earlier video. In my opinion it's your channel, you do you, but the fact that you reflected and reanalyzed is admirable.
@kylepeck6478
@kylepeck6478 2 года назад
One other speech check that I actually find difficult is “The Negotiation” in ME 1, where you have to obey the commands of ‘Lord Darius’ or you end up fighting him. It’s not as much of a difficult speech check as much as it is a psychological check in being tempted NOT to kill him for Paragon points. But even doing that mission takes getting your Shepard’s Renegade at 80%
@jrod22173
@jrod22173 2 года назад
Yup. Yes just keeps pushing you, and the fact that you have to agree to pretty much all the horrible and illegal things he wants while he gets to insult you, is tough. Obviously the whole point is to kill him as you find out later.
@FireLordJohn3191
@FireLordJohn3191 2 года назад
Where’s that quest?
@willfanofmanyii3751
@willfanofmanyii3751 2 года назад
@@FireLordJohn3191 It's only available when Hackett tells you about it, as it's one of two extra missions unlocked only if you've got Paragon or Renegade almost maxed out.
@battlesheep2552
@battlesheep2552 11 месяцев назад
Oh yeah I remember that, though I thought it required a paragon check which is difficult since you only get it if you're a strong renegade. I like how after it's over Hackett admits he sent you because he couldn't legally order someone to kill him, but you are such a renegade that the outcome would have been obvious.
@LenaVoices
@LenaVoices 2 года назад
Sometimes it pays to dump your points I to speech and persuasion- Always Bet on the Bard!
@brainconqueror8095
@brainconqueror8095 2 года назад
The Renegade option is easier to get, since you need only 10 points. You can leave the Citadel with 8 Intimidate points and if you do enough side quests before going to Feros, you can easily get to 10 Intimidate. To get to 11 Charm, you need to fill up 3/4 of your Paragon bar. Which is easy to do if you use the Eletania monkey exploit to farm unlimited Paragon points!!
@hulCAWmanianUniverse
@hulCAWmanianUniverse 2 года назад
Finally! Yes that Ethan Jong speech check is what I've been waiting for!!!
@AddaeAkono
@AddaeAkono 2 года назад
I manged to pass this speech check when I played Legendary Edition for the first time, but it was always more satisfying to shoot Jeong.
@chrisstanton70
@chrisstanton70 2 года назад
always fun seeing the legendary cutscene gun at work :D
@vette1
@vette1 2 года назад
I got this on all of my playthroughs I didn't even know you could miss this
@OutspokenSeeker
@OutspokenSeeker Год назад
Bold of you to assume I want to end that confrontation peacefully.
@frisby7143
@frisby7143 2 года назад
As someone who usually mass effect renegade this speech check caught me completely when doing a paragon playthrough
@andregordon2599
@andregordon2599 2 года назад
Great vid as usual sir. the hardest speech check in the entire trilogy HAS to be the Illusive man in 3 I think (i think that's quite fitting tbh)
@djgeminithirdeye1859
@djgeminithirdeye1859 2 года назад
I did this one by mistake and didn't even know how. I tried again in 3 different playthrough and failed. Thanks Big Dan💪🏾
@joemulcahey8808
@joemulcahey8808 2 года назад
Always wondered how I could do this. Played through the series soo many times and I have yet to be good enough for him to stand down.
@joshuas9
@joshuas9 2 года назад
wow that explains a lot! I always do this one for last cause I could never to the speak check unless I did it last
@titanpower8616
@titanpower8616 2 года назад
This is my new favorite RU-vid channel on the Citadel.
@kmoore9137
@kmoore9137 2 года назад
I had this option one time in all the times I've played, and I've always ended up shooting him.
@jameshenderson4876
@jameshenderson4876 2 года назад
Hahaha when I saw the title I wondered if it was this one. I must have failed it about 15 times before I finally passed it on my current playthrough. I nearly fell of my seat.
@calrose
@calrose 2 года назад
I’ve never had a problem with this speech check even on my first playthrough. I was all about that store discount & I did Feros last haha 😂
@snipefall.gaming
@snipefall.gaming 2 года назад
Your videos always make me play the trilogy 😁
@Hexenkind1
@Hexenkind1 2 года назад
I love hard earned speech checks. My favorite kind of boss fight.
@stanvoland
@stanvoland Год назад
Never thought about it, cause passed this checks even at first walkthrough.
@damo.r
@damo.r 2 года назад
Thank you!, I always wondered how to get through the speach check, I try to be like my self in mass effect so I try to be a pacifist and not kill anyone or cause fights unless I have to so its great to not have to end him
@EvilAnatomy
@EvilAnatomy 2 года назад
I didn't know this was difficult. I've never had a problem with it.
@lumina1104
@lumina1104 Год назад
Over a decade ago, I learned to max out on skills for my chosen charisma path first. Then, I'd max passive skills. Later, I'd pick my chosen abilities from the number of potential skill points left available. Any class can shoot and even on insanity, it's easy enough to progress. When you take into account legendary edition carrying over assets, not being shut out of assets because of a speech check matters.
@sir.mannington
@sir.mannington 2 года назад
I had to leave the planet and level my paragon more before successfully talking him down.
@juzoli
@juzoli 2 года назад
By the way there ARE long term consequences. You can gain score for good Feros actions, and in ME2 they will be shown as a survivor colony in the news and in the conversation with Shiala if you have enough. Otherwise the colony cease to exist. Keeping him alive is big part of it.
@marcila4
@marcila4 2 года назад
Pretty sure if you keep colonist casualty to a minimum and if you let Shiala live and stay, the colony survives regardless of whether Jeong lives or not
@juzoli
@juzoli 2 года назад
@@marcila4 But if you keep him alive, you only need a single colonist to survive, or 1 thing fixed (food or water or battery) and none survived, and the colony will keep going. He is the biggest part. You can find the exact points on wiki.
@marcila4
@marcila4 2 года назад
@@juzoli it’s true that he is, but it’s not impossible for them to survive without him. This is why I’ve always killed him in all my playthroughs, I just don’t really like the guy lol
@juzoli
@juzoli 2 года назад
@@marcila4 I didn’t say it is impossible without him. Just that he is a big part of it. He is 12 points, Shiala is 5, and the infected colonists and sidequests are only 1 each. If you save him, it is easy. Without him, you have to get your s together. I usually keep him alive because he brings financial support to the colonists. Also being an asshole doesn’t qualify for murder in my eyes…* * Except in my current psychopath play-through, where everyone dies muhahahaha:D
@marcila4
@marcila4 2 года назад
@@juzoli well I feel like being complicit to conducting experiments on an entire human colony might be at least a couple notches above “asshole” haha But, to each Shepard their own lol
@justicetaylor3050
@justicetaylor3050 2 года назад
I don't remember this part in my playthrough. I'm certain I never passed any hard speach checks what with being new and unfamiliar with that game mechanic. I just rushed Paragon Soldier playthroughs series wide. But I did feel a huge sense of accomplishment upon beating ME1. It felt like the game was taking forever, but seeing Shepard stand triumphantly over Seren and Soverign and listing to that bangin ending music was so satisfying.
@joshstreet6819
@joshstreet6819 2 года назад
The lines that Shiala says about Zhu's Hope on Illium in ME2 changes on which option you did in ME1. Along with the news about Zhu's Hope on the Citradel News.
@Cjak001
@Cjak001 Год назад
I got the paragon one, glad those charm skill points were well allocated
@_KRose
@_KRose 2 года назад
I had no idea this was the toughest check to pass lmao. I always figured it was either Saren at the end or Wrex on Virmire. I've always ended up doing Feros relatively late, though, after recruiting Liara and after doing Noveria. I always have the charm or intimidate bar maxed by then.
@fissilereptile4782
@fissilereptile4782 Год назад
I've heard the "You're a bean counter..." Line before but never actually knew where it was from
@DS-wl5pk
@DS-wl5pk 2 года назад
Oh.... Huh, yeah, I never actually had to worry about this. Didn't even know. I'm the type to immediately go for passive/speech skills when leveling up so whenever I had the chance I was maxing it. Oh, got the one for the Illusive Man to, nice call back to Saren on that one
@tentrilliconlp7748
@tentrilliconlp7748 2 года назад
I always thought that I was the only one whi found this speech check especially hard 😅
@KritoSkywaker
@KritoSkywaker 2 года назад
I'm currently playing my own OG Mass Effect 1 and I find this guide useful Dan. 😄 Sidenote: I already maxed out my Charm Points and I used the Lorik Qui'in bug to max out my Paragon Bar. 😆
@phoneixcash2630
@phoneixcash2630 2 года назад
What is it?
@KritoSkywaker
@KritoSkywaker 2 года назад
@@phoneixcash2630 Original Mass Effect 1.
@KritoSkywaker
@KritoSkywaker 2 года назад
@@phoneixcash2630 Oh. You mean the Lorik Qui'in bug? Well. This exploit can be found at the Noveria mission. As you track down Matriarch Benezia. And you can convince him to testify against Anoleis. And this bug works for both Paragon and Renegade as well.
@psycoguy500
@psycoguy500 2 года назад
As one who goes to zhu's hope later in the game, I've always been able to save the colonists. Never realized it was the hardest one.
@shubhamgupta4919
@shubhamgupta4919 2 года назад
Thanks man, I just left citadel after becoming spectre yesterday, I have 6 in intimidate, I'll just save liara first and get this done
@CyberneticHusky
@CyberneticHusky 2 года назад
Idk if I have ever passed this but I like the Think of the MUNEH Option for paragon
@zeehero7280
@zeehero7280 Год назад
OH I remember that one. I think I passed it once but only once. the reason it's so hard is it requires stats at a much higher level than you usually do the mission.
@ostaruempire
@ostaruempire 2 года назад
This one always made me scream because I've never been able to complete the speech check
@TheHufflepuffSaint
@TheHufflepuffSaint Год назад
Jeong's reaction reminds me of Keaton's Batman's threat to the Joker with the fire poker stating; "Come on, Come on. Let's get nuts." 🤣🤣🤣
@tophatcat6424
@tophatcat6424 Год назад
I actually prioritized my charm in my first playthrough, and I was able to talk him down the first time
@markclay1813
@markclay1813 Год назад
I had no idea this was hard. I always have this Paragon Option by the time I land here.
@Jesse-lq1dv
@Jesse-lq1dv 2 года назад
If nothign else, this vid is a perfect example of the texture improvements they made in the legendary edition. The Renegade option convo looks like it is in the OG Mass Effect whilst the paragon option definitely looks like it was done in the legendary edition of Mass Effect.
@allopic3764
@allopic3764 2 года назад
I did the renegade dialogue yesterday, so satisfying
@aconstantbore5219
@aconstantbore5219 2 года назад
Somehow, some way, I managed to do this on accident and have never been able to recreate it. Until now that is, thank you as always dude!
@allenharper2928
@allenharper2928 Год назад
Just do Noveria before Feros, and after all the side missions you can get on the Citadel. It's kind of odd, because they always list Feros first, leading you to believe it should be done first. Well, second, after Artemis Tau for Liara.
@erikaleksandermoe1634
@erikaleksandermoe1634 2 года назад
I never have had trouble with this speech check and always have had the paragon or renegade option avaliable. I also almost always do this mission second, after Therum. But the one I always have had problem with is the last speech check when speaking with the corporate salesman on Noveria. I usually have to do finish Lorik Qui'in's mission before speaking to the salesman. But to focusing on putting points in intimate or charm whenever it is available is always a good idea.
@Whippets
@Whippets 2 года назад
This is why I always wait as long as possible before going to Feros.
@kerricaine
@kerricaine 2 года назад
in mass effect 2 there's some mention in the galactic news about how feros has been rebuilding and has become a symbol of frontier resilliance among humans if you pick the paragon dialogue option.
@gamexpert1990
@gamexpert1990 Год назад
I only just recently finally grabbed myself a copy of ME:LE, and I just came across this scenario. I've done a fair few side-quest planets first, and just had a level-up on the bridge on my way back to these colonists. I failed the speech check and was forced to shoot him, but this conversation is what gave me the "Principled" (75% Paragon/Renegade) trophy, and allowed me to max out my Charm points. I just barely missed it, lol. :-p
@JokeCubed
@JokeCubed Год назад
This reminds me of how I saw somewhere once that the most difficult speech check in Skyrim is the one to convince Faralda to let you into the College of Winterhold without doing a spell.
@xdgayadose2876
@xdgayadose2876 2 года назад
I like Shepard's shit eating grin when he chooses the paragon option
@Eli-wu5jm
@Eli-wu5jm 2 года назад
Reapers: *invade Feros Ethan Jeong: "Oh, shit! The economy!!!"
@jamesmattila-hine1133
@jamesmattila-hine1133 2 года назад
oh i didn't realise it was that hard but I always max my intimidation or persuasion
@joshuazamora5055
@joshuazamora5055 2 года назад
My first playthrough is back in 2019 but I don't have a maxed paragon and renegade so i was forced to kill him but when i discovered the save editor i managed to calm him down and save everyone.
@xKurtx601
@xKurtx601 2 года назад
Bioware definitely knew what they where doing.
@johnolivera2369
@johnolivera2369 Год назад
Huh. I must have been doing a better job as a renegade than i initially thought because i was able to do the renegade check this time around. That Bean counter line is GOLD.
@colinfowler3021
@colinfowler3021 2 года назад
Yo, what about resisting the final Morinth check in ME2? You need a maxed out reputation bar (which I'm pretty sure requires you to make something like 90% of decisions a certain way throughout the game, and pick the build options that boost reputation. All it does is let you laugh in her face when she tries to seduce you, but it's still a really hard dialogue option to unlock.
@Fragenzeichenplatte
@Fragenzeichenplatte 2 года назад
I'm such a paragon that this speech check was no issue. Didn't even know this was supposed to be a difficult one. Proud of myself!
@jdbeast
@jdbeast 2 года назад
Big Dan: "In This Video" Me: *Grabs Popcorn*
@calrose
@calrose 2 года назад
I’ve never failed this speech check. After al-Jilani embarrassed me at the Citadel I vowed to never be jumped by a persuasion check again haha I even got Wrex to back to down without the family armor & Saren to off himself on my first playthrough. That’s why I have a soft spot for Ms. Jilani to this day. She may have bullrushed me, but I learned that lesson well. Just like Conrad Verner
@SirThomas_II
@SirThomas_II Год назад
I actually managed to pass this my first playthrough recently. I had no idea it was this difficult especially since combat was pretty easy, I leveled up all the speech options first
@ShadowMage
@ShadowMage 2 года назад
In my paragon play throughs, I usually just dome the guy anyways despite having access to the speech check.
@SmallAngryQueer
@SmallAngryQueer Год назад
I managed to get this my last playthrough - went Paragon for that choice. It wasn't the reason I decided to do NG for my insanity playthrough, but the maxed Paragon was really useful for extra dialogue
@SmallAngryQueer
@SmallAngryQueer Год назад
Your companions can also comment on it too. I can't remember what Kaiden said but Ashley says it's spooky how we are able to speak corporate so well
@headbangerdnb
@headbangerdnb 2 года назад
I honestly had no idea this guy was supposed to be difficult to speech check. Charm/Persuade/Whatever is always the first skill I max out in any RPG I'm playing.
@gibster9624
@gibster9624 2 года назад
I wanted to make sure I could pass the speech check using paragon on the business guy in Noveria. But I'm pretty sure you'll have to choose one or the other. Maybe doing all of the side missions will help but I haven't actually been diligent enough to actually to a run that meticulous before doing any of the main missions.
@ScissorSheep
@ScissorSheep 2 года назад
Omg wait I’ve done this before but I never realized that it was a hard thing to get, I went absolutely crazy with renegade and intimidate straight from the get go 😮
@ninachan8920
@ninachan8920 2 года назад
I'm doing my perfect destroy playthrough and of course I decided I had to start from ME1 again to fully enjoy it, but anyway I am for the first time going to fulfill this paragon speech check just to say I did it but shooting this guy has always been so very satisfying for me personally 🤣
@majiel2709
@majiel2709 7 месяцев назад
I got the paragon diplomacy check my first playthrough, wasn't aware it was the hardest in the game, good thing I got Liara then hit Noveria before Feros
@kenneyshepard4511
@kenneyshepard4511 2 года назад
Bioware employee wants Shepard to shoot the corporate bean counter?! Yep, checks out.
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