By the way at 6:05 this was the only film not written by Steve Kloves. It was written Michael Goldenberg, hence the love Ron got here. Don't give Kloves credit for that lol
@@likecascade7015 i don’t think he had anything against the weasleys but i think he just shipped harry and hermione together and wanted ron to seem stupid because of that
@@austinburras2993 Studying can only teach you so much about compared to growing up in the world. That’s why she failed to think of making fire without wood in the first book and why Harry was better at dueling. Booksmarts can’t replace experience.
She's basically a know it all young girl and the book writing often shows her book smarts often comes into conflicts with events or things she presumes can't be right, such as the room of requirement. Both Harry and Ron are supposed to be really smart wizards but they both are made to look stupid in her presence. Ron is left with nothing but comic relief as Harry at least is the hero.
Kudos to Rupert Grint for manage to make Ron still likable and compelling despite the script going against him. That’s why I consider him the best actor out of the three.
Same. Sometimes in the movies it feels like there’s so few moments where Ron is even acknowledged to be real friends with Harry and Hermione, but Rupert really made the most of those few moments.
I'll never forgive the movies for not giving Ron the spotlight he deserved in the Prisoner of Azkaban, in the scene when they are in the shrieking shak and , Ron was supposed to stand up for Harry (literally) and protect him from Sirius but in the movies they changed it to Hermione
Exactly I hate the fact they literally make Ron a bully or a jerk who doesn’t care about anyone but his family. In the books he’s just as a good friend as Harry is. There’s a reason why the trio have been inseparable for 7 books straight
you can have a favorite character thats fine and all but that dosent give you the right to be biased towards the rest of the cast of characters to make your favorite the best thing in the movie kloves must of forgot that when writing these films
@@TheFrontzClub yeah, it was really unprofessional of him to do like that. His job is to adapt the books into movies, not to mold it to his own liking.
@@sreenivaskamath4243 you can do that when your doing student films or fan films but this was multibillion dollar movie franchises and he butchered it and the 1 movie he didn't write idk why ron actually wasnt made to look like goof the whole time if they do a reboot keep this inept writer out of the chair
They really forgot that Hermione is a Muggleborn. She is an extremely smart and clever person, but she is also quick to irriate, has a fear of failing, and doesn't know anything about the wizard world
Honestly as weird as this might sound, but the most irritating moment for me was when Hermione knew what a “‘mudblood” was. Like…she didn’t grow up in the wizard world and she even says “it’s not a term one usually hears in civilized conversation” which to me implies it likely wouldn’t be in any books. Just made no sense to me.
That was one of the few changes mentioned that seems to make sense though no ? Why would hermione be as upset as she is in the books by a term she didn’t know the meaning of? It hits harder for her as a character if she Does know what it means when she is called it. It’d be like if a little kid was called an asshole (not a one to one comparison- obviously the term mudblood is meant to be a worse insult) and the kid didn’t know what the word meant. The kid Might be a bit upset contextually and depending on the tone of voice it was said in but if you don’t know what the term means it undercuts how upset you’re likely to be.
@@judekristo "Why would Hermione be as upset as she is in the books..." She WASN'T upset in the books. That was the point. Ron was mad for her, because he knew what it meant (and also cared for her, though he didn't know it yet); but she just shrugged it off, even after learning its meaning. It wasn't supposed to hurt her. She's almost always above insults because of her self-assuredness (although there's a few notable exceptions which were all the more striking because of that.)
@J K It makes no sense for Hermione to know what "mudblood" means when she didn't grow up in any environment where she ever would have heard it. And it's unlikely to be in her textbooks.
@@judekristo The thing is though in the books Hermione isn't upset nor even has a reaction like the movies. Ron was the one in the books to have the reaction at Malfoy, for saying it like the movie. But then Harry gets them out of there, Later they go to Hagrid's Hut and Ron explains it to both Harry and Hermione who explains she didn't know what it meant. Both could only tell it was bad because of everyone's reactions.
The movies made Hermione into some unstoppable goddess. In the books, yes Hermione was smart, but there's some things she just didn't know. "All she knew she got from books"
And she wasn't supposed to know all about the wizarding world because she was a mudblood.. And she shouldn't know what mudblood means and what things are cultural in the wizarding world.. She is a. Muggle born.. And so she should know only limited to books knowledge.. And not all knowledgeable.. I find the writing in movies inconsistent as they made her smarter than she is supposed to humanly be..
@@sarikajoshi7156 well the 8 potter movies are not cannon they are retelling of the cannon novels only the Fantastic beast movies are cannon because they have no source material to be based off of
Yeah. In the books, he's always stated to be Harry's equal at everything except DADA and Quidditch, and he even just about catches up with him at Quidditch by Book 6. He's even shown to have a talent in other areas both Harry and Hermione lack in like Divination and History of Magic. In the books, he's a well rounded character that fits out the trio perfectly. In the films, he's every feminists idea of how men are.
@@marinuki667 Not really. Just look at the sh*t Disney has produced in the past few years. They have to bring all the male characters down just to bring the female ones up. All their female characters have no personality traits other than 'feminism' and 'crush the patriarchy'. They're extremely unlikable, they have no development in the slightest, and everything is handed to them (there's no struggle for them). I miss female leads like Sarah Connor in Terminator; Ripley from Alien; Princess Leia from Star Wars (I'm talking about the original 6 movies) etc. Back when female leads were written like human beings, and weren't self inserts by angry feminists. Back when they were actually likable. They had character development, they were kind, and they were feminine too (no, being feminine does not make you weak, regardless of what the feminist directors say).
Ron’s character assassination is the worst thing I’ve ever seen because he’s one of my favourite characters. No matter the hate he gets, Ronald Weasley is my King.
ginny was also shafted the OoTP is her book she gets all of her shining moments in that book and none of it translates to the movie but yeah she can do a good reducto spell then HBP shes an awkward love interest of harry with someone of the worst dialogue in the franchise and its not bonnies fault no one could of saved SHOELACE
@@TheFrontzClub man I can’t even mention movie Ginny without internally cringing. She and Ron deserved so much better. They were both icons in the books.
The fact the director had such a creepy hard on for Hermonie changed how so many people view Ron & Hermonie. The director refused to make Hermonie bad at anything, which is super weird....
Does seem a bit suspect that there's so much spotlight given to a young actress by the guy. The only character who didn't get so much taken off him was Harry and it's probably just because it was his story.
Yea I immediately got weirded out by that. Seems like he has a crush on Hermione. Maybe that’s why he made Ron so hateable since that’s hermiones canon love interest. Weird shit.
Let's not jump to pedophilia right away, ok? Jk has said that she is her favorite character and that she saw her as a way to put herself in the story so there is no single guilt person
It’s annoying that they use Hermione as a mouthpiece for all these other characters that can very easily speak for themselves. Ron and Ginny can easily tell Harry what they’re thinking and how they feel.
She was overrated by the writers and hell even the author. The movie felt more like one giant self insert for beta male simps and weak minded consumers. Hell the actress could barely flipping act. And let's not even start on the author's hypocrisy.
I feel bad that Hermione stole Ron's bravest line in the book. It was when they confronted sirius black in the prisoner of azkaban Ron despite having a broken leg got up and said " If you want to kill Harry, you will have to kill us to"
I feel like so many people who want Harry and Hermione together have only seen the movies or they saw them first and read that into the books (looking at you super Carlin brothers). The reason Ron and Hermione work as a couple is because they are opposites. He balances her out. He knows that it’s good for her to lose at chess and that she wants to always be the smartest in the room but she needs to be put in check sometimes. Ginny and Harry work because they don’t have that competitiveness but Ginny isn’t afraid of calling out his crap. Harry and hermione are more like siblings and that is how they are written.
I read the books a little while ago, and correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think there was a single moment where the two of them had romantic tension. The most that happened was that people got the wrong idea about them because of Rita Skeeter. Harry and Hermione was probably one of the most platonic relationships between a male and female in a fictional story.
Also, paring Harry and Ginny gives Harry the family he never had, and makes Ron his brother (and Hermione his sister) in 'real life'. To an orphan, that means so much.
In the SuperCarlinbrothers case, they read the books first, then saw the movies, and then read into the books what they saw in the movies. Ben, the one who did that video freely admits that. Besides, i don't put too much stock into that video. What I find crazy is J.K. regrets the character pairing she wrote. That could be another reason why people think that.
@@tobyjack1238 not really.... you're still being influenced by the weird director who had a Hermonie fetish. There were many times Hermonie gets pissed off for a dumb reason and Harry & Ron continues on while she doesn't talk to either of them - and in tern, doesn't talk to anyone because she is an outcast..
I'm going to add another incredible Ron moment after reading Deathly Hallows: When Lupin tells the Golden Trio about the Muggle Born Registration Committee, Ron offers to protect Hermione by claiming that they're cousins and tells her he can teach her the Weasley Family Tree so she can answer any questions they'll ask about it.
the movies made me believe I hated Hermione for so goddamn long until I reread the books and realised I actually love her very much. also Ron is my favourite of the trio and I cannot stand how they portrayed him in the movies. literally ruined two amazing characters for no reason smh
I will never understand why they made Harry and Hermione have so much connection in a romantic way, especially in the last few films when they clearly know Hermione is going to end up with Ron. The realtionship between Ron and Hermione & Harry and Ginny in the books is so much better written and could´ve been brilliant on screen.
Harry x harmoine was a really popular ship cuz everyone thoguht they'd end up together at first, so it was most probably fan service for harmoine shippers, especially the dance scene (can't believe they included that and left out Dudley's redemption)
@@jisoology_ytI feel like it wouldn’t have that much traction if it weren’t for the films. The only people I knew that were harmony shippers were people who loved the films. Dramiome or viktorie (Krum/hermione) or even Ronmione was more popular until the movies
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that Hermione was the scripwriter's favorite character so this all made more sense after learning that. The movies also did Ginny AND Cho SO dirty. Like this is book Ginny "They wanted to know if you had a tattoo of a Hipogriff across your chest. I said it was a dragon." She also called Harry out on a lot of his more negative tendencies like his hero complex. Cho in the books stood up for her friend who ratted everyone in the DA out after being questioned by Umbitch. That's what caused her relationship with Harry to sour. But that kind of loyalty to her friend you have to sort of respect. It shows her better qualities I think. Even Harry himself gets shafted in the 5th movie. His trauma and pain is just relegated to "teenage angst" when the book really drives home how alone and lost he is. His mental breakdown is a HIGHLIGHT of that book, of the whole series, and the movie just handles that scene so badly.
No, Cho stood up for her friend wasn’t right.look I don’t hate Cho but i don’t like her this thing. It’s good to loyal toward your friend. But it doesn’t mean that you are not going to stop them if they going to do something wrong.This Isn’t the meaning of. Friendship.A friend should always be there for to guide you, to teach you, to stop you if you go into the wrong path.Always be careful about choosing partner
@@kellysouter4381 Snape was an abusive teacher and bully, who harbored a long-standing crush and was so pissed about it that he joined with a murderous villain, only turning back when he thought his crush (who he never told how he felt) would get murdered. He was selfish and dangerous. Doing one decent thing does not make up for a lifetime of bitter hatred and misdeeds.
It's also probably the best movie and the only one which some consider better than the book in a lot of ways. How did this guy keep getting hired after doing such a shit job? No wonder the entire Fantastic Beasts storyline is so fucking bad - he had no source material to base it on and bastardize to his own personal fantasies. So you end up with a poorly written screenplay with plot holes galore, characters who seem out of place in the story/scenes, and the blatant breaking of rules/canon that had been perviously established in the Wizarding world. How many times does this guy have to keep fucking up his job before people stop hiring him for these massive multi-million/billion dollar franchises? He should go back to writing harry/hermione fan fiction where he belongs.
This is also a huge injustice to Rupert, as he kind of managed to save the character himself and didn't get enough credit for it because people don't know that he was the only one of the three main actors whose writers didn't give him good material to work with and , worse, they purposely gave him bad material to favor another actor. It must be frustrating and the fandom doesn't give him the credit he deserves.
His reasoning for liking Hermione shows why the movies were at best short summaries of the books with incredibly weak characters and writing. “She’s good for exposition” literally wants to use hermione as like a narrator/easy way out of explaining things.
I know I've seen that clip before, but when it played in this video I was like "...Does no one in this room understand why this answer is awful?" He just admitted it allows him to be lazy by having her know everything.
Pisses me off how I’m the movies Hermione wasn’t allowed to fail. She panicked in the devil’s snare in the book but had to be portrayed as level headed in the situation. In the book, when the trio got to the chamber with the flying keys, Hermione tried her Alohamora charm in the door but it didn’t work but in the film, Ron did it; the film did want to make Hermione look like a failure. And don’t get me started with what was supposed to be Ron’s line to Sirius that if he wants to kill Harry he’ll have to kill them too; ON A BRIKEN LEG BY THE WAY!!! Doesn’t get more Gryffindor than that.
Yeah like if they had to cut one out and give the devil snare moment to Hermione… they could’ve at least did it without Ron looking like an idiot. Like they could’ve had Hermione figuring it out without Ron flailing around panicking and not listening. Considering that it was Hermione that was panicking in the book and Ron had to tell her to get a grip
@@clover2739 reminds me of Jurassic Park, where the boy is the one who saves the day by figuring out how to hack the doors in the books, while in the movie it's the daughter, their characters are completely swapped
Wow. Steve Kloves really hated Ron, didn't he? I can identify with writers relating to one character over others, but he didn't have to ruin Ron's reputation to do it. Ron didn't have to decrease so that Hermione can increase.
It's ridiculous that in the movies Hermione somehow knows everything while Ron knows nothing. He's the guy who's lived in the Wizarding World his whole life, and not everything about the Wizarding World is learnable through books, so how could she possibly know so much while Ron knows literally nothing
Bro, Ron needs his shining moment too! ✨️ Just because you like Hermione more doesn't mean she gets to take it all and leave Ron in the dark. Also, in the chamber of secrets when Ron and Hermione are getting the basilisk fang, I feel like there wasn't enough Ron-Hermione moments to determine that kiss. Hermione spent more time with Harry.
At this moment on, when someone says they prefer harry and hermione with each other without reading the books will be the most understandable thing in the world because the screenwriter gave them TOO much romantic moments together, to be honest they should've just made them canon because they didn't seem to care about ruining so many characters just to give it to hermione at this point
Kloves trying to make Hermione perfect by removing every single flaw she has and giving her many great characteristics of Ron’s is what actually made her not perfect and unlikable in the movies, at least in my opinion. I personally have a harder time liking a character who seems to know everything and is never wrong, rather than a character who is likable but also has her flaws. It’s what makes characters human! Rowling did a great job making 3 round characters (Harry, Ron and Hermione) who had both good and bad traits, the way humans should be. We all have good and bad stuff in us. The movies just made Hermione be 100% perfect and Ron be 100% an idiot🤦🏻♀️
Ikr!!!! They erased the part where Ron takes Hermione to dance with him at the Wedding and then made the Harry and Hermione dancing!!! Like come on!!! 🙄🙄🙄🙄
I mean, it’s clear that Harry and Hermione loved each other to death but not in that way. In the books, Hermione was always that annoying yet well-meaning sister to Harry. The writers seriously f*cked that dynamic up by inserting romantic scenes that weren’t there in the books.
As well as obvious bias and favouritism towards Hermione, it also feels like an easy way out to make Hermione explain everything rather than other characters that might not feature so prominently in a scene. The director guy said it’s an honour to have a character like Hermione because the audience can just assume she read it in a book but that just feels like lazy writing to me when it would make more sense for others characters (such as Ron, someone who’s grown up in the wizard img world) to explain.
It’s funny because Hermione is my favorite character in the books, but I get extremely irritated with the Ron slander in the movies. Ron is an awesome character and that just doesn’t translate in the movies.
It makes sense that a hermione lover wouldn’t like Ron slander. Their relationship makes so much more sense when they are both incredible and flawed characters. I feel very similarly.
@@clover2739 To be fair, I kind of got that vibe from the books too, and I read them first. Ron was just kinda... there. For example, his biggest contribution to book #1 was him beating the chess game for them.
@@rain-wanders He was a great friend to Harry in the books, when they fight in GoF Harry explicitly states that while Hermione is a good friend too, he’d much rather hang out with Ron at times as she can be difficult. Ron also had some wit that Hermione lacked, making the two of them compliment each other in terms of being helpful to Harry in the adventure.
Probably one of my least favorite scenes in any movie is the stupify scene with Ron and Hermione. It made Ron look weak and petty and Hermione being a perfect genius who has a lot of tee hee sorority sisters
The reason why Ron and Hermione have complemented so nicely in the books is that while Hermione had theoretical knowledge from books, Ron had practical knowledge and experience from real magical world. They really made the perfect combo from an exposition viewpoint. Ron got totally screwed in the movies.
I kinda wished that Grint put his foot down and told the writers not to go on with the movie if they were gonna change the whole Ron narrative. But knowing Rupert, i doubt he'll do something like that. I just wished he advocated for his character (have a feeling he really skipped reading the book) Ron was such a well-written, although flawed but a very relatable character. The movie was a complete character assassination.
I don't think he could given he was a kid for the longer part of the franchise..? His agents/parents should've tried communicating that however, it makes me so sad because both Ron and Rupert are such sweethearts, they deserve the world
You gotta read the books they’re simply incredible! I’d recommend listening to the audiobooks (Fry or Dale) for convenience and because the narrators are phenomenal
In the books the trio tend to have a clear advantage that make them strong together, Hermione is the book smart (her grades are at the top for a reason), Ron is the magical world smart (have lived there his whole life), and Harry was the one who tended to catch on solutions for the current situation the quickest with enough info. The Devil's Snare scene sorta portrays how their relationship goes onwards: Harry comes up with a possible solution, Ron gives the how, Hermione knows hoe to execute it. I feel like the last book shows what happens when they can't fulfill their roles too, which Harry not knowing what the hell they should do, Ron not having a clear direction to go on (and being hella worried for his family), and Hermione not being able to apply her. knowledge.
The whole point of the Ron and hermonie dynamic was that Ron understood things because he grew up in the wizarding world and hermonie knew things because she read them. They balanced each other and knew different things.
Freaking thank you! One of the things that irks me the most is when they made Hermione speak to Harry about his relationship with Ginny. Because that scene would be a lot more heartfelt if it came from Ron, the relative of the person Harry's interested in; giving Harry his blessing to be with his sister.
In the movies: Harry and Ron act like companions Harry and Hermione act like they are in love. In the books: Harry and Ron act like friends Harry and Hermione act like friends
Not just friends but siblings as well. Ron and Hermione seemed to be the siblings Harry never had. Ron was his brother, and Hermione was his sister. Those are precious bonds.
I hate that they gave Hermione most of Ron's great moments. And not just that , but they made Ron kind of an A-hole towards Hermione (Snape DADA class scene from PoA). They made Ron so useless only movie watchers wonders why is Ron even there except being a clown and they made Hermione so perfect that made movie watchers thinks Harry and Ron are helpless without Hermione. They destroyed both Hermione's and Ron's characters by doing this and also butchered Ginny's character by trying to push Harry and Hermione romance.
Ron and Harry actually both cone up with a lot of good ideas and do figure out key points on their own in the books. But the movies gave most of that to Hermione, making Ron useless and Harry only being there for the points they absolutely couldn't give away
This is why it physically hurts me to watch the perfect movie Hermione as she takes Ron's, the twin's, Harry's, Dumbledore's, McGonagall's, Dobby's and Ginny's lines :/
Why they felt they needed to give Hermione so many moments, and lines said and done by other characters is beyond me. They definitely had it out for the Weasley family. I'd give for this series to be redone in animation, and more true to the books.
One thing I would like to see, especially after stumbling across an artist on IG who drew comics for certain scenes (i.e. Harry and Ginny kiss in the Common Room in HBP, Lupin's Visit in Deathly Hallows, Hermione's arrival at the Yule Ball in GoF), is a GRAPHIC NOVEL adaptation of all seven books.
Right? It’s so unnecessary Hermione was already a great character with her flaws. If their excuse was because they ‘wanted to make it clear she was the smart one’ why on earth give her Ron’s ‘if you want to kill Harry you’ll have to kill us too’ line?? They ruined the whole point of it, Ron standing on his broken leg to protect Harry from Sirius is what’s supposed to remind Sirius of his friendship and loyalty to James 😭. If they wanted to really show Hermione’s brains. Why did they have to give her Ron’s loyalty as well?
The fact that Ron is also smart is portrayed in the first book itself. Ron was very good at chess, and when Dumbledore said Ron played the best chess game Hogwarts has ever seen, he might have meant it because Ron won the chess match, which was set up by McGonagall and why would someone keep (let's say) easy mode, she would've tried to keep them at hardest level but Ron came out on top. And someone who plays chess like this can't just be a dumbass.
That line was extremely odd even just going off the material in the film. Lupin and Hermione are never once shown having any one on one time together unlike him and Harry
In the books, in malfoy manner ron screams HERMIONE! (When she hears her scream from Bellatrix torturing her) but in the movies he just says " We should do something Makes ron look like he barely gives a shit, Harry seems like the one panicking more
she straight up has little to no flaws. I'm all here for strong, compassionate women but it does kind of hinder that when those kind of people we see in media are these flawless people. and dont even get me started on its effect of the plot.
Any female character described as 'strong and independent' are without a doubt, not strong and independent. A truly strong female lead doesn't have to parade around the fact that they have these good qualities (cough Disney cough). A female lead should be kind, compassionate, likable, and feminine (these modern directors would tell you that being feminine is somehow offensive to women). However, they should also have flaws; they should have moments where they struggle; and they should have moments when they have to actually work for stuff; so that they're written like actual human beings rather than self inserts.
they would never make it, it's too much of a risk. it's too much money, usually episodes cost around quarters millions each. So you must have a profitable and lucrative market for a season. Even harry potter has to prove a point for a tv show.
@@brettlarch8050 it would need to cost as much as either Star Trek Discovery per episode (27 million) or 200 million per season like Marvel D+ broken into 8-10 episodes (again, 20-25 million per episode)
To add to this, Ron was also Harry's first friend in both the muggle and wizarding world, but in the movie, Hermione is talking to Harry and is closer to him than Ron. Edit: Wow I've never gotten this much support on a comment
Exactly. Harry though loved Hermoine but he always loved spending time with Ron rather than her. He loved Ron's company and also wanted to be around Hermoine only if Ron is there.
true but his upbringing was closer to hers than rons, i haven't read the books in along time, is it just in the movies were the weaslys don't really understand muggle stuff? in the movie arthur weasly asks weird questions about muggles like they'd never met a muggle before (i'm pretty sure at least arthur has but he's the one asking the weird questions about "the purpose of a rubber duck, i do like that tho, its like when your to afraid to ask something about someones beliefs or culture incase you sound stupid or racist so you wait until you meet someone who'll understand your just curious) definitely still think they should have kept his character the same as in the books, harry was in a weird position in the wizarding world, most other wizards had heard of him but he'd only found out he was a wizard recently, from what i remember ron didn't treat him special, heard was harry potter "you got the scar? ...that's a cool scar" he was a part of the wizard world that didn't make him feel different, they munched some sweets harry had no experience with like his chocolate frog running away and rons just "yeah that happens sometimes" which helped harry feel a bit more normal aswell because rons been raised with magic and his chocolate frogs have occasionally escaped aswell, also helps when your shocked by a new situation and the person your with acts like it's nothing, gives you a reference for what is and isn't normal, he then just keeps trying new sweets probably wonder which ones he was gonna have to catch first, everyone else was constantly talking about him like a celebrity and he's like"wtf is going on i'm 11, who is He-who-must-not-be-named, why did he try to murderme?", i think hermione and harry having a close relationship due to having muggle upbringings makes sense but not at rons expense, should have been a balance, i actually forgot most of the stuff in this video but i definitely think ron should have been the one to stand between harry and sirius (im taking this next part out of context)... "Hermione is talking to Harry"... did they not talk in the books?
Right? It’s like Harry and Hermione were way closer and Ron fades more in the background. Yet book wise Harry and ron were a lot closer and would think more alike. Obviously they are close to Hermione as well but I feel like I got the vibes Harry would rather be Ron alone than with Hermione alone
@@slothc4892 Harry and Ron in the books were more similar personality wise though, Hermione was obviously also their friend and they were all close but Harry and Ron were definitely closer than Harry and Hermione. Harry would spend months with Ron and the Weasleys and Harry would agree with Ron often than Hermione, which would make Hermione frustrated. There’s a reason Harry and Ron were best friends. What they meant was that in the movies they often have Harry and Hermione talk more, especially later on which made them seem closer when that wasn’t the case. They would take Ron out of scenes that he was in in the books, and give Hermione Ron’s lines when he was talking to Hermione and not make Ron say anything. In fact, yes Harry loved Hermione like a sister but he would rather be with Ron alone than he with Hermione alone. When Harry falls out with Hermione, obviously it’s upsetting but Harry isn’t as bothered about it and just continues with his day. But when Harry falls out with Ron that’s all he can think about because he misses him. I just think the movies did Harry and Ron’s friendship dirty.
@@clover2739 he even says in I think the 4th book when him and Ron aren’t speaking that it fine being friends with Hermione but it’s not fun like with Ron. He couldn’t remember the last time he laughed and stuff. It’s not that Hermione is t his friend it’s just that Ron is his Bro.
RON helped gryffindor win the quidditch cup book 5 and was celebrated and had a song for him. CUT. i couldn’t believe it. quite honestly the least they could have done for his character in the movies was including that scene.
When your favs are ginny and ron but then you watch the movies and get so sad about their characters being ruined😭 in the movies my favorite is Harry. But Ronald and Ginny will forever be my favorites in the books
I never had a problem with Hermione seeming more badass in the movie, but what I did have a problem with was stealing away what others said and giving them to her, especially Ron. I keep telling my mom (who I’m watching the Harry Potter movies with right now) “actually, Ron said that” or “Ron did this instead” to make sure she doesn’t think low of him. For example, I like how Hermione saved their lives by making a werewolf sound, but not how they give Ron’s big line “if you kill harry, you’ll have to kill us too.”
@@dogextra9948 it's this sequal play but they made it super confusing and it doesn't follow the rules of the previous 7 books so lots of people don't count it
When I was new to Harry Potter and the fandom, and I actually have started by watching the movies then went on to reading the books, I always used to be surprised from people who said Ron was their favorite character. After finishing the books and actually getting more into the fandom, I got surprised form myself that I used to think that.
Having to explain why Ron is my favourite character to people who have only watched the movies is the biggest reason I find the movies to be good standalones but really bad bad adaptations.
Ron was the best character in the books with Hermione a close second. Making Ron dumb to raise Hermione up not only ruined RON’S movie character, but Hermione too. 😢 I’ll never forgive Prisoner of Azkaban
The more I look back on the movies, the more I realised just how many missed opportunities like this there were in all of them to be truly better - just by little things like this.
just like this little by little they changed whole perception of the story line and SO MUCH that even jkr herself changed her mind and said that harry was a better fit for hermoine like?? TT
It really just hit me how awkward that scene of Hermione approving of Harry's feelings for Ginny are. Ginny isn't even her sister! (Yes Ginny is her own woman and can/should make her own decisions, but from a protective big sibling perspective, Ron does make sense) Not only did they take away that fairly well done build of Harry's fear of what Ron might think about his feelings and the pretty nice payoff of the nod of approval, but Harry and Hermione were blatantly just friends too. Goblet of Fire showed this really well while Harry and Ron had their rough period and each were just hanging out with Hermione separately, the book made it very clear that while they (Harry and Hermione) can definitely get along and have their moments as just the two of them, it just wasn't the same as the bros. Which if there was any romantic chemistry between Harry and Hermione, Harry most likely wouldn't have felt that way.
@@RodrickMarsMoon Amen! I'm writing a book series that will hopefully be as popular as Harry Potter. But I hope Hollywood won't screw up all my hard work.
Thank you for bringing the 'Harry-Hermione dancing in the tent' scene up. Too many times I've seen people say that it's not romantic in anyway, and I have to ask them if they even watched the movie
It always baffled me how much Hermione knew about the Wizarding World when she was a muggle while Ron seemed to know as much about the Wizarding World as Harry (to a certain degree). But then, when you read the books, it becomes clear the favouritism towards Hermione. And honestly? It's not good. If it wasn't for the fact that it was named 'Harry Potter', I'm almost convinced Steve Kloves would have renamed the story to centre around Hermione.
this is why many people like Hermione since some watched the movies. As a person who’s favorite character is Ron, I find it really terrible that they are being really biased with the movies and no one did anything about it.
That scene in Goblet of Fire where Hermione asks the boys to promise they would write to her over the summer and Ron saying "I won't, you know I won't." I always took that as him joking as you can kinda see him smile and laugh a bit, especially when Hermione said "Harry will write, won't you?" And Harry goes "yeah, every week." And he has a bit of sarcasm in his voice. But that might be me and how I interpret it. But anyway, I do hate how they made Hermione perfect and poor Ron was pushed off to the side.
Lol, right?! Like, there are numerous books that got movie adaptations where they changed A LOT of characters, storylines, the whole plot, etc. in order to make the film digestible for the audiences of those times that the film adaptations premiered in. For example, books that had queer characters as the main characters and actually had romance with other queer characters were completely reworked so that there were only a little or no references at all of their non-heterosexuality because of the homophobia at the time. At this point, if they were going to have so many romantic moments between Harry and Hermione they should have just said f*ck it and go through with putting them together in the end while Ron got eaten by a fish. What bloody cowards, lol. 🤣
@Obscure Gun But Romione fans would've been rightfully upset. Though maybe a different ending would've made the distinction between movies and books much greater and I would be able to call the movies badly written Harmione fanfiction without having to explain my reasoning lol.
This is why Ron and Harmione being together was jarring. They made whole movie giving tender and intimate moment b/w Harry and Harmione and even hv Ron be jealous of their relationship. That basically feeding the audience the idea that they might be romantically interested.
OH YES! The last example 14:36 was always annoying to me. Because in the book: it was really a Harry thing to came up with to climb on the dragon because it was the same idea what he did in his first year with the troll. To climb on the troll, is the same wild but brilliant idea as on the dragon!! I hated that hermoine got that line.
I was well aware how they pushed Hermione at Rons costs, but I didnt consciously notice how many moments were stripped from Harry as well. Since the movies came out, I had to defend him many times from clueless moviegoers who thought he was kind of incompetent and lame and nothing without Hermione.
I love Hermione's character as much as the others but the way they treated Ron drives me up a wall considering he's my favorite character. Puts me off the movies quite a bit.
Look I completely understand that Emma and Dan had chemistry, but that still doesn’t excuse taking almost all of Ron’s big moments and butchering them completely.
I thought if anyone know more about the Wizarding World, it was Ron! Harry and Hermione were raised by and around muggles. Ron on the other hand was raised by witches and wizards, therefore, he would have had more experience.
That last point about the dragon pissed me off. Why would they give that to Hermione instead of Harry? It's like they forgot whose name was in the series title
The main thing I dislike about the movies is Ron’s treatment. Ron is Harry’s best friend. He is Harry’s Sirius. Ron would have died for Harry and almost does on more than one occasion, but the movies just ignore all of that. The movie writer DOES turn Hermione into an insufferable know it all.
I will never understood how Hermione is Steve Kloves’s favorite in the books. I love her but she’s easily the most annoying of the trio, especially in the 1st, 3rd and 6th book
@@signalfire15, I think the Scabbers situation was so much worse. She definitely should’ve talked to Harry about her suspicions with the firebolt but it’s incredibly unlikely he would’ve listened and her suspicions were well founded and she turned out to be correct even if the broom wasn’t jinxed
Ron’s character assassination is one of my main complaints of the movies. The real Ron is brave, loyal, humorous, not afraid to stand up for his friends and family, and devoted to his loved ones. That’s why this Potter fan sings, Weasley is our king!
One scene from early in HBP that I remember was when the Golden Trio were waiting for their O.W.L. results. Hermione is panicking about possibly failing them, but Ron assures her that she undoubtedly passed them all, which we know she did (1st in everything but DADA, in which she was 2nd, only Harry did better). I may need to reread that scene if it's there. It shows that Hermione isn't perfect and Ron has a good heart. EDIT: Another line I loved from Book Ron had to be in CoS when HE says that most wizards by this point are at least half-blood and that had wizards not married muggles, they could have died out generations ago. It's a small line but it shows how the Weasley Family, despite being among the Sacred 28, aren't like most pure-blood wizards and show as much kindness as they can to muggles.
I'm liking how the quality, length, and attention to detail have gotten better over the years. I don't watch EVERY video but I definitely make it a point to go back and see what Harry Potter videos I've missed.
It's very apparent through Steve Kloves's scripts that Hermione was almost a Mary Sue. She almost always knew what to do, what to say, and the fact they tried to push a romantic relationship between her and Harry only paints that picture completely. It always annoys me to no ends when screenwriters do that, and it ruins the experience in hindsight. In my eyes, Book Hermione is vastly superior. As a muggle-born, she shouldn't have intimate knowledge of the darker side of the Wizarding World, and shouldn't know about what a Mudblood is, let alone half the things she knows, even with reading up on it.
I feel like by giving Hermione all these moments in the movies, they didn’t give Rupert his credit or chance to really shine. He kinda felt like a background character in some movies. They all definitely grew and evolved but Emma and Daniel definitely had more screen time and more to build on career wise.
I’m not going to lie, this is almost quite creepy from Steve, it seems very um….simpy. Making an underage girl seem like a perfect goddess, because, she is, as he litterally said “irresistible”
This is a good reason to know the books in addition to the movie. I had no idea why Ron constantly felt like a odd man out. It’s cause they were pushing the romance through all the movies
