The Harsh Truth About The NBA's Point Guard GOAT Debate 

Who's the PG GOAT in your opinion?

Steph won his rings against the goat of his era. Magic won them with the goat of his era

Another huge consideration that you didn't mention was the fact that even though Curry has less assists, his gravity because of the lethal jump shot of his makes his teammates open just as effectively as a magic assist

One thing I feel like could be argued, is Steph’s gravity can be thought of as an assist. Obviously super Hard to quantify, but think of how def Elses have changed in general and against him. They Double and triple Team him And all eyes are on him at all times. Leaving teammates open to wide open for easy shots. Steph also took a dead Team and built a dynasty. One could argue he should have another finals mvp over igoudala.

Magic joined a 47-35 team with Kareem, Jamal Wilkes, Michael Cooper, Norm Nixon and Spencer Haywood. Curry joined a 29-53 team with Stephen Jackson, Cory Maggette, Ronny Turiaf, Monta Ellis and Andris Biedrins. Magic had a big advantage from the very beginning as afar as quality of teammates. Magic joined a very good team and made them great. Curry and Jordan joined bad teams and made them great.

Magic and Curry are different type of point guards. Magic was more of a facilitator whereas Steph is more of a scorer seeking the 3 point shot at every opportunity. On an all time-team, it would be great to see them both in the same backcourt because of their different roles.

Funny how I haven't watched the video yet but know that Curry is the better point guard in his opinion

when it comes to scoring titles, we have to remember that steph SAT OUT more 4th quarters than other stars ever, because the games were so blown out by the third quarter. imagine if he did not sit those games out... hed have more points total and maybe two or three more scoring titles.

Something nobody wants to admit is that Magic dominated when the pool of talent was smaller. I have kids in basketball development leagues in elementary and the talent level today is astonishing compared to when I was growing up. Today, thousands of kids are being developed all around the world, much more so than Magic's era. Magic was a shark in a pool compared to Steph being a killer whale in the Pacific Ocean.

People don’t understand that we’re talking about a point guard and not the goat… Ability to create chances for your teammates and other things contribute but ability to create for your teammates is what makes you a point guard… And to me, they are both up there… It doesn’t matter who is one or two… Personally I pick Steph…

Magic went to a perfect situation with hall of famer player. Curry went to a losing team and made his peers hall of famer.

“What if curry had someone like Kareem” as if he didn’t win two championships with the most stacked team of all time

Magic and Kareem are both top 10 players and they won their 5 championship together and Kareem have 1 championship without Magic but Magic has 0 without Kareem.., Kobe and Shaq had their 3 and then Kobe had 2 without him and Shaq only had 1 without Kobe. Curry has 2 Championship without KD while KD has 0 without Curry. And what makes it interesting is that KD has never been in discussion for top 10 all time while Curry has been even before he won his 4th ring.

Magic always played with a bunch of top notch teammates, including Kareem, Worthy, Byron Scott, A.C. Green, Jamaal Wilkes, Michael Cooper, Bob McAdoo, Mitch Kupchak, etc.

I think that is why there is an "argument" for GOAT status. There is merit for both sides. What is guaranteed with Steph's entrance into the conversation against Magic is that Magic and Steph are the bar for being the GOAT point guard, he is moving the others like Steve Nash, John Stockton, and Chris Paul to the category of top 10. Steph will have his opportunity over the next few years to make it go from a toss up to definitive.

Love the chapter titles and quotes

Great video!! Appreciate you

To me he already is especially with this 4th ring not because he finally won fmvp but because it showed once again that he can win without kd and ask yourself could magic win without Kareem. Cus the answer was no. And not to mention he should’ve won the 15’ fmvp but that’s another topic. But with another ring and fmvp that would put curry tied with magic with magic having the clear edge in 1 more fmvp and mvp. I think by then the masses will have fully switch over to the curry is the goat PG

I like both. But as you said, Magic has been great from the beginning of his career. As great as a shooter Curry is, a real point guard is to dish the ball, which Magic excelled at.

Well thought-out argument. I was a fan of Magic from his time at Michigan State. He was too good for his team. I watched him fire a cross-court pass to a teammate that bounced off the poor guy's chest. Right in the shooting pocket. Only after he reached the NBA could Magic unleash his full skill set. And man, did he. I loved that era. Kareem. Bird. So many other great players. But I have to say this: today's league is better. Tougher. Talent is better distributed. Players are more athletic. Injury recovery is better. As great as Kareem was - make no mistake, he was the real deal - many of today's big men are stronger and space the floor better. And as good as Magic was on a fast break, he wasn't quite equal to more than one contemporary ball handler in this league. Including Steph. Magic was a better defender; his length and quickness paid off. But there has never been a better shooter in this league than Steph. Both changed the league. Magic with his passing prowess dared players to up their passing games. Steph inspired a whole generation to get better at distance shooting. It's as hard to settle this question as it is to settle any other argument between different eras. We all have our opinions. But I'm choosing Steph. His peak against Magic's, both at their career bests, lets Steph edge ahead. Too bad we can't look at plus-minus for both players. But back then, that stat wasn't tracked, I don't think.

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Curry is the GReatest Point Gaurd why is there still a Debate???

Great video bro

your main argument against magic is that his team was better despite steph putting together the best team of all time and in a separate year going 73 - 9

Great video!!! I like the fair and balanced analysis. It’s a tough debate. Most people have Magic in their top 5-6 players of all time. If Steph surpasses him in the PG Goat debate then Steph has to be in the top 5, but nobody actually ranks him that high. However, after his last chip I think we have to start considering if Steph is now at this moment a top 5 player of all time??? In no particular order without including Wilt and Bill with me being ok with swapping a few players here and there: 1. MJ 2. Lebron 3. Kobe 4. KAJ 5. Magic 6. Steph 7. Hakeem 8. Shaq 9. Duncan 10. Bird 11. Durant Before his 4th chip I had Steph ranked between 8-12, but now that he has 4 rings you have to put him right up there with the likes of Magic. Do you think Steph at this very moment being #6 is a real thing? If he can give us another 4 years of great all-star caliber basketball and can lead his team to another chip or 2 then I think he easily cracks the top 5 dare I say top 3. Let me know your thoughts? 💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽

Curry

Ik ur using jxmyhighrollers mj vs lebron video as a format for this one. Still great video!!!!

Jxmyhighroller: you can copy my homework but change some of the answers so it looks different HoopReports:

Everyone can pass like magic, no one can shoot like curry

Can you make a video about Lebron vs Jordan? I wanna know who is better than the two of them. I want you to tackle the: • Statistics (Points, Assists, Rebounds, etc) • Achievements • Versatility and Flexibility • Basketball IQ • Competition (Which era is harder? Does players today really are better than before?) • Does Handchecking really affected the game? • Which era has a harder defense? • What are the effects of Zone Defense in the game of basketball?

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I don't normally agree with the analysts, BUT, the one point I do agree with them is; "Steph is a "2" masquerading as a point gaurd. He is NOT a true point gaurd; so that should end the debate right there. This isn't saying that Steph can't or doesn't play point, but the job is mainly performed by Draymond, which makes him so valuable to the Warriors. He does all of the dirty work (pun intended) and gets Steph the looks he needs. If Steph was a true point with no Draymond, I don't think Steph and the Warriors would've had the same success.

curry has that gravity that you can't let him move or else it's over. and even if you try to guard him it will be a real challenge

Was going on bro 🙏🙏

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Man , that 2022 finals was something... i thought celtics were gonna win.. most balanced team in nba... tatum, brown, smart was dpoy. Klay 1st year back from 2 year injury... steph was basically the warriors whole offense. Celtics threw every defensive scheme at curry.. and the man basically single handedly beat the celtics offensively. Im not so sure magic could do the same in that situation.

It’s like magic is a cassette player and Steph is a smart phone. The magic prototype will likely never be successful again. You have to be able to shoot.

Magic's 86-87 season is GOATED

The debate ends once those in magic era are in their graves.

Is Stephen Curry played in the 80s he would have also save the NBA

I already know this guy is going to gas up Steph curry as much as possible. Edit: watched the video, bro said that magic Johnson’s passing was basically just him dumping the ball to Kareem

I think at the end of Steph’s career he will definitely be the best point guard of all time. But Steph is also my favorite player, so I don’t think I can say much. 🙂 also great video keep it up

You lost me when u had to use Steph's free throw percentage stat to compare to Magic's assists, rebounds and steals to balance things out😂

Bro is always glazing the warriors

Go dubs

I believe this is the only case where I’ll allow a co-goat holder, both revolutionized what it means to be a point guard, both won a against their eras of the goat, both are insanely dominant in their own ways, they are both #1 point guards now

with the magic what if with hiv you can also argue what if curry didnt have ankle problems early in his career and the what ifs with the raptors final

Chef curry da goat point guard

Steph is the best point guard period.

This video reminds me of the goat debate video of jxmyhighroller... good job

its not bias until you bring up what if scenarios lol

For me it’s Steph. He’s more of a killer and can absolutely turn the game around with only a few shots. He’s one of a kind

Crazy that your list of those in the GOAT conversation didn't include the all time assists and steals leader.

Oldheads will never accept when who they watched gets passed

Stephen Curry is the goat PG, no debate

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steph is the BEST PG ever period. been watching the NBA since the 70s. no one, i mean no one, revolutionized the game the way steph did. he gave hope to players who are physically small and dominate the game. not even MJ was guarded the way steph is being guarded. when steph crosses half court, watch how he is guarded. no one,i mean no one, has that much effect. these are facts.

If the players you want to compare played in a different era, you have to consider that

Can the season start… can’t wait for this… I hope we win this year

I could only say that comparison is the thief of joy . We will never know and evne by numbers because of difference in era and the way of playing. Lets enjoy each of them greatness. We dont need to be so extreme!

Who would you rather leave open? Steph or Magic?

you knew how this video was going to end before you clicked on it. love it though

"Steph didn't start as a starplayer compared to Magic who started from the get go" Really? Is this Magic's Fault? 😂😂😂

That nba marketing department working hard today. This the most rubix cube conclusion explanation I've ever heard this evening.

The fact that you need to cherry pick stats to even have an argument means you already lost the debate

Nice video. To me, the question of who is the GOAT PG is kind of silly. It depends largely on how one defines a PG and what attributes one values more. 'Greatest' is literally in the eye of the beholder. That said, what an amazing thing it's been to root for the Ws in the Curry era. After decades in the wilderness, it's like a dream come true. Now, go get that 5th ring, young man!

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forced debate is clearly magic

Ill choose curry over magic anyday anywhere😅

What an excellent deep comparison!

Well we all know who the GOAT content creator is. Amazing upload, as always.🔥

Who’s ranked higher on your all time list? Magic or Steph. Debate over. It’s magic

Its a reason why the opposition needs to thank God that Curry didnt get Magic's height. No look passes or look away 3s? 😁

I keep seeing "Well Steph had KD so", when Kareem was clearly the best player of his era, the same as LeBron (who most will consider Steph his rival). KD was arguably 3rd best when Steph started ascending. Also, if you think 3 years of Kevin Durant is equal to 10 years of Kareem, then I just think youre hating on Kareem just to hate on Steph. Remember one of those guys has been in the goat convo for about 40 years now. I have Steph for that reason, as well as the fact that he is the centerpiece and foundation of a dynasty. It started with him and will end with him. Winning in year 1 means you joined a great team. Honestly, you can argue point guard semantics all day, I have Steph as the better player

As of right now, steph and magic are equals. Diffrence is that steph still plays (even at a mvp level), while magic already retired. Stephs longevity will edge out magic at some point, difficult to say whan, might be next season, maybe the season after that. But steph certainly will play til he is 40 and will put up great numbers the next 3-4 seasons. Its just a question about time, when he will surly surpass magic, but it will happen

Starts the video saying that will do an unbiased analysis and once the data doesn't help his point proceeds just to count the numbers that help his opinion...I shouldn't even be surprised after the video where you put Steph over Jokic as the best current player, what a fanboy

Bro what is Steph supposed to say no to the best pg ever? Like huge respect to Steph for having competitive spirit he is the goat pg and he has to believe it that’s like asking Lebron are u good at basketball u have believe in yourself huge respect to Steph!

the way i look at it is “who would i not want to play against more” and its Steph he is a lethal 3 level scorer with great playmaking and because hes such a threat from all areas of the court you have to guard him the second he crosses into half court and his gravity pulls defenses away and helps his teammates get open

NBA is also tougher skill wise now

So you compared the 6'3 guy with 6'9 guy who can play center its just already sooo freakin god damn crazy!.

If we use all the normal comparisons the other guy wins but if I cherry-pick my own comparisons then my guy wins.

Please take mvp voting along in this debate, magic has way more mvp votes despite playing fewer seasons. And in the 80s there were also fewer votes...

John Stockton, Gary Payton and Allen Iverson should be entered here.

If Curry can get another chip the only argument to make for the debate is your preference on HOF shooting or passing..

its not bias until 10:20 lol

Greatest argument for curry is he literally built a franchise magic came into a great one.

Also look at the teams they were drafted too, swap magic and curry and I don’t think it’s a debate

The fact is that folks that know hoop will create a roster of Magic as PG and Curry as SG. That should tell you whom the better PG is.

I agree.

You're confusing Better Career to Better Prime

Looking at it also gs was a very unselfish team loads of time curry passes the ball the ball moves around to almost everyone n sometimes comes back to him so of course his assits numbets is going to be down cause the team moved the ball so well

I'm a forever fan of Magic since he started playing in Lakers team, it's not because he's my idol but for me he's the best point guard & best player coz during his college days he made his school champion & in his rookie year, he made his team a world champion & won an MVP award.His videos of all his past games showed how he played excellent for me, his incredible passing, alertness of mind, showed leadership among his team mates, a great facilitator..not after to make score but let all his team mates to score too. The most unforgettable he did was when Kareem Abdul Jabbar wasn't able to played in the finals in G6 for the world Championship due to injury & Magic Johnson played the role of Kareem as a center,his role as forward, scorer, rebounder & high percentage in assist in which Steph can't do to be the center due to his height as 6'2 compared to Magic Johnson as 6'9.Bec of Magic Johnson, many celebrities watched NBA games due to his showtime style of playing in which everyone were thrilled & enjoyed so much.I can't see anyone now how to play like Magic Johnson..he's incredible & fun to watch him played. If he didn't leave NBA year 1991,his stats will show more of his achievements. Whereas Steph was a good scorer especially in 3 point shooting & fun to watch too. but can't deny the fact that Magic Johnson played much better than him..

Honestly this is a tuff question to answer. The thing is that today’s NBA is 1,000x harder than Magics era of the nba….

Just imagine if Steph has the height of Magic Johnson, STEPH WOULD EASILY DEMOLISHED EVEN THE LIKES OF LEBRON JAMES.

Magic should be in their own category, based on height. 6'9". Penny, Lebron, Ben Simmons, Iggy (?), Pippen, Bird (?), Luka. Point Forwards Steph is the size of a Traditional Point. (Isiah, PG3, Nash, etc.) I can't think of another point who can manipulate plays, create open shots for teammates without the ball just by running across the floor. This separates Steph from even the Elite Scoring Points (Gil, Rose, Isiah, Dame, Trey...) of any Era

Steph gonna close this discussion down once and for all next season by winning another chip 👍👏🥳🥳🔥🔥

Curry most DEFINITELY has the nod on longevity and he has the opportunity to add to his legacy whereas Magic is done.. with the IMAPCT and changing the geometry of the game and opening the imagination of current and future players, Curry's impact is just as prominent or maybe even more than Magic. As soon as Curry wins another championship while adding other accolades to his trophy case then consensus will deem him the GOAT PG and he'll climb far up that Top 10 list, for me it'll be Top 5 and he aint 5 for many reasons. Lets visit this debate after this coming season because I'm sure it will look so different 😈

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My arguments for curry is how he basically invented the 3 pointer, his gravity, and how he played vs a top 2 player in the finals and won 3/4 times. Curry made teams start shooting 30 3s a game instead of like 5. Also don’t forget how he had a double team for the whole game and his team still won (Ik that was college but still they were that scared of him)