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@laotasurfs1110
@laotasurfs1110 2 года назад
Story of the Haunted Masion really was just "There's a creepy old house, folks say it's haunted. You decide to investigate. Ooops, all ghosties! They menace you, you leave. Turns out they were effing with you." All the ghosts have their own simple, immediately visibly evident stories that only work in concert. Any attempt to make the Mansion more complicated will fail -- spectacularly -- if that isn't understood.
@JosephDavies
@JosephDavies 2 года назад
I agree!
@Kuzcokermy77
@Kuzcokermy77 2 года назад
Really love the idea of them messing w u😭😭
@gianlucacolangelo6578
@gianlucacolangelo6578 2 года назад
Coff coff Phantom Manor Coff Coff
@ianfinnigan264
@ianfinnigan264 2 года назад
Pirates of the Caribbean is the same way, in spite of the endless debates about whether or not the dead Pirates are the same as the alive Pirates and whether or not the old man is plot-relevant. On an unrelated note, this is also why Muppets Haunted Mansion is probably the best Haunted Mansion movie we'll ever get
@JosephDavies
@JosephDavies 2 года назад
@@ianfinnigan264 That was a great little movie. I only wish it had been a tiny bit longer.
@scottholden5067
@scottholden5067 2 года назад
You can't be dead, as the Ghost Host warns us one of the Hitchhiking Ghosts will follow us home. Madam Leota states to "Hurry back, and ensure to bring our Death Certificates", as in we need proof of death to return.
@ElFreakinCid
@ElFreakinCid 2 года назад
@BK Beatty Unless you're supposed to be the Witch, no you don't die at the end of the Snow White ride.
@ianfinnigan264
@ianfinnigan264 2 года назад
I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you die in the mansion you most likely die in the stretching room. Think about it: the Ghost Host practically says outright the only way to escape from that chamber is to die. The exit replaces one of the walls because we're now ghosts and can walk through walls.
@lutherheggs451
@lutherheggs451 2 года назад
IF you were meant to be dead in the ride, then there would be zero point in having the hitchhiking ghosts who follow you home and the don't forget to bring your death certificate if you decide to join us as your leaving
@ianfinnigan264
@ianfinnigan264 2 года назад
@@lutherheggs451 no need to get argumentative, I don't even really believe this theory lol. I was just pointing out what I consider to be a bit of an oversight by the people who do believe it. However, as long as we're here, I don't really see how either of those things actually disproves the theory, would you care to elaborate? I mean whether or not you're already dead doesn't change the fact that they'd need a death certificate for you to officially join them, and I don't think they ever say that the Hitchhiking Ghosts exclusively follow mortals
@ElFreakinCid
@ElFreakinCid 2 года назад
I've always imagined the scream and crash we hear after seeing the Ghost Host's body is someone being so scared they run right through the wall, thus creating a new "door" and allowing us to proceed through the mansion.
@TheNotverysocial
@TheNotverysocial 2 года назад
@@ianfinnigan264 A better question is how you enter such a room in the first place.
@jaydenswift9856
@jaydenswift9856 2 года назад
that could explain the random boom noise, but then he says "frighten you prematurely" indicating what just occured is not a major event just a demonstration of how he and many others died when first exploring the mansion.
@abbiecharlene7
@abbiecharlene7 2 года назад
I always thought the death theory was predicated not on the fact that you don’t see any ghosts before the attic, but that the ones you do see before the attic are scared of/hostile towards you, and the ones you see after the attic are welcoming and happy because you’re now one of them (hence grim grinning ghosts playing once you enter the graveyard)
@maryanderson7726
@maryanderson7726 2 года назад
yes! i’ve always thought this!
@OpalBLeigh
@OpalBLeigh 2 года назад
I’m like 99% sure that Dallin taught me that theory lol
@TheDimensionDweller
@TheDimensionDweller 2 года назад
What are the indicators that they're scared of and hostile towards you?
@abbiecharlene7
@abbiecharlene7 2 года назад
@@TheDimensionDweller it’s been a long time since i’ve been on the ride/actually read up on the theory so i can’t remember specific examples but i think it’s basically that they’re trying to scare you away ie. ghost host is taunting you, bride is saying threatening stuff etc (and this could be totally wrong lol i’m not like super convicted here)
@MonsterKidCory
@MonsterKidCory 2 года назад
At the beginning, the ghosts are only PRETENDING to terrorize. It's all in good fun :) Plus, you don't really start seeing ghosts until after Madame Leota and your "sympathetic vibrations."
@lhusuu7116
@lhusuu7116 2 года назад
You should get an entirely green shirt, use it infront of the greenscreen and not even address it while you talk normally hahahah
@MatthewOnAMissionFromGod
@MatthewOnAMissionFromGod 2 года назад
Do it!
@princessravendiamond4288
@princessravendiamond4288 2 года назад
I mean, he purposefully wears shirts that key into the green screen anyway because he finds it funny
@Sticky_sausage69
@Sticky_sausage69 2 года назад
It would be funny having someone’s head, feet and hands be the only thing you can see
@colorgaurdsweethreat3474
@colorgaurdsweethreat3474 2 года назад
If he had done that for this video, the ghostly host opening would be that much more hilarious. If he used a audio changer slowly transitioning his voice from the ghost host to him speaking deeply like him. That would have made it so much better. I probably would have burst out laughing (and possibly worry I broke one of my stitches... had an apedectomy on Monday). Hobestly that would have been amazing. Next Haunted house Video he does (I'm certain there will be more in the future. He should totally do this).
@RandallJamesPeterson
@RandallJamesPeterson 2 года назад
Or cosplay as Madame Leota.
@ElFreakinCid
@ElFreakinCid 2 года назад
Another problem with the death theory: You've been in a Doom Buggy the whole time. You're not walking through the mansion, the Ghost Host explicitly calls upon haunted carriages from the ghostly void in the foyer to carry you through the place.
@ruiqiumai323
@ruiqiumai323 2 года назад
I’ve always taken the haunted mansion’s story to be that there’s a vacancy, and you’re touring it to see if that’s where you want to spend eternity. The ghosts are trying to show off and convince you that you’re going to have fun with friends on the other side. They’ve got room for one more, and they’re hoping it will be you. Since death is a hard topic for people (especially kids), I think the ride does a good job of exploring it in a safe way.
@Kitty-the-Bunny
@Kitty-the-Bunny 2 года назад
I like that a lot!
@sophiagueiros8751
@sophiagueiros8751 11 месяцев назад
I was telling my dad Just now about this idea, cause it actually makes so much sense and it's kinda cool.
@jackprather3471
@jackprather3471 2 года назад
The most canonical texts for the Haunted Mansion are its script and the lyrics of "Grim Grinning Ghosts." The story & song records are good sources, but not necessarily canon. These sources, along with what we generally know about how ghosts operate go a LONG way in debunking the "death" theory. Ghosts tend to haunt the property where they died, so there would be no need to "hurry back" if we were already dead. Also, ghosts don't tend to haunt other ghosts, and the ghost host says outright that the hitchhiking ghosts are going to haunt us until we return. The two versions of the story and song recording each gives a different explanation for how we get down from the attic. In one we climb down a tree and in the other we follow Ron Howard and his date down a set of stairs. Neither one says we fall. "Grim Grinning Ghosts" outlines rules for joining the happy haunts: "If you would like to join our jamboree, there's a simple rule that's compulsory. Mortals pay a token fee (their life?). Rest in peace, the haunting's free. So, hurry back, we would like your company." We are told not to forget our death certificate. This seems to go along with the idea that the Haunted Mansion was a collection of ghosts from around the world. This idea is supported simply by looking around the ride and seeing a variety of cultures represented by ghosts there. So, the idea is to go home, die there, get our death certificate and hurry back so we can join the ghosts of the world in the Haunted Mansion, becoming the 1000th of their ranks.
@markraymond3886
@markraymond3886 2 года назад
My personal theory is that the Ghost Host "IS" the raven. The ghost host has possessed the raven and moves with him. With the exception of the entry hall and the Stretching Room, he is always around when the Ghost Host speaks. The Long Forgotten site has a piece of concept art with the raven in the stretching room as well. Also, remember the Ghost Host spiel; "Perhaps Madam Leota can establish contact. She has a remarkable way of materializing the disembodied." The ghost start showing up after Leota. No death by suicide.
@ElFreakinCid
@ElFreakinCid 2 года назад
Well, we do see the coffin guy before Leota, but I guess he's more of a zombie than a ghost.
@emccluskey
@emccluskey 2 года назад
i heard somewhere that the ghost host was supposed to be the raven, but they changed it because they thought it would be too difficult to tell that it’s the raven doing the talking/narrating
@thevincentgonzalesplan
@thevincentgonzalesplan 2 года назад
@@emccluskey It's difficult to say because there is no clear story available, but there is support to the story that the raven WAS supposed to be the Ghost Host. My feeling is that the effect just didn't work in tests - maybe the Raven wasn't as articulate as, say, the Tiki Room birds, and the voice timing was off. Maybe the voice didn't sound right coming from a little Raven. In any case, it's likely to be as simple as it just didn't look good enough (like the original Hatbox Ghost).
@markraymond3886
@markraymond3886 2 года назад
@@emccluskey I also read that when they dropped the Raven as host, they thought about making the Raven a "sidekick" to the Ghost Host where the Raven would add a comment or comeback, but that was dropped as well. Yet the Raven is still there.
@redspec01
@redspec01 2 года назад
Disney should just hire Offhand as a story developer to manage and market the stories of the parks
@George_vv
@George_vv 2 года назад
My personal idea of the current story for the Haunted Mansion is pretty simple. The mansion is being used to throw a party for nearly a thousand ghosts and one of the ghosts just so happened to be a host or a tour guide that invites you in with just your curiosity. The host leads you down hallways full of objects possessed by spirits that are trying to mess with you (hear me out.) You are then led to Madame Leota, who conducts a seance allowing you to see the ghosts. The host pushes you further on the tour where you see ghosts having a ball and ignoring you. With no turning back you're led into the attic, where more ghosts are messing with you by making you scared of the bride at the far corner (this story works better with the attic before Constance especially with the pop up ghosts and still with the ghost in the corner playing a creepy version of the bridal march.) (Current version) You see the bride raise a hatchet and rush towards the balcony passing a ghost who mocks you by making his head detach from his body and laughing at you. (This part is pure imagination but it's something I feel Walt would have thought) You jump down from the balcony with the raven following and you land in the bushes. Hearing the noise in the darkness, the grounds keeper is terrified (in my mind he's supposed to run away but of course he can't on the ride.) You see the graveyard glowing with hundreds of spirits and walk through the gates. You're almost in awe because most of the ghosts aren't trying to scare you at all. They're just enjoying themselves. There are some trying to mess with you but by the end of the graveyard you don't see them anymore. That is where the raven calls your attention towards a mausoleum as the host has been waiting for you for his final scare. The idea of being haunted forever. You leave the mausoleum with a verbal invitation back for when you pass away, entering back into Disneyland and keeping that invitation in mind. Okay maybe I lied and it's not that simple but it's the best thing I could come up with because most of the theories just don't make sense to me. The main gray area I had was landing on the ground from the attic because it's very vague so I came up with what I thought would fit and move the story along. Please share your thoughts and questions about this idea with me, thanks!
@dallincf
@dallincf 2 года назад
This got me questioning why we travel backwards while descending from the attic, but I quickly realized… that slow descent facing forward would be agonizing for most guests, especially kids and seniors. Also, sorry about your duvet!
@rattyeely
@rattyeely 2 года назад
Interesting, I never thought about the physical aspect of it
@deboralee1623
@deboralee1623 2 года назад
i've often wondered about the backward descent.
@wheeledjustice7381
@wheeledjustice7381 2 года назад
I like the idea of you tackling different Disney myths and legends in general. I'd love more of these breakdowns.
@ghosthostgracey
@ghosthostgracey 2 года назад
The story and song from the haunted mansion is definitely what I consider "cannon" and in that the two children do crawl out of the attic window onto a balcony and decend into the graveyard. So the attic window is definitely cannon but falling out/ being pushed is in no way mentioned in the story. They just use it as their means of escape. Honestly muppets haunted mansion is the most accurate representation of this so far.
@marseilletarot
@marseilletarot 2 года назад
I’m pretty sure she says something like, “look! There’s a staircase on the other end of the balcony”
@ElFreakinCid
@ElFreakinCid 2 года назад
Not to mention, riders are clearly meant to be in some kind of vehicle even within the lore of the ride given to them by the narration. You were never walking through the mansion, a haunted carriage was carrying you.
@clownkid1515
@clownkid1515 2 года назад
My personal favorite theory is that hatbox ghost is actually Constance’s second husband, Frank, due to similar appearance, and the whole five headless husbands, five hatboxes (counting hatbox ghost’s), where a head gets put in it kind of thing. And because I have an addiction I’ll also throw in my headcanon that Ezra and hatbox ghost are actually twin brothers, (due to both sharing the same face sculpt) and we’re born into a poor family, frank (hatbox ghost) decided he wanted to be successful and became a banker and ultimately married Constance, while Ezra didn’t really have ambitions and hitchhiked all his life, before getting killed after hitchhiking with the wrong person.
@rgs8970
@rgs8970 2 года назад
The Raven is an actor who was booked for the gig of Ghost Host, who is just hanging out in the ride, hoping someone will recognize him and ask about it
@burneyboys02
@burneyboys02 2 года назад
I've read the Tales from the Haunted Mansion books a while back and I love the idea of the librarian Amicus Arcane being the Ghost Host. I wish that Disney could make this canon cause in those early narrations feel like the Ghost Host is telling the story of the Mansion while you ride through it.
@MonsterKidCory
@MonsterKidCory 2 года назад
The Ghost Host IS telling the story... He is literally a tour guide.
@burneyboys02
@burneyboys02 2 года назад
@@MonsterKidCory yeah at the time I thought maybe it could be the same person
@Disneyboy1989
@Disneyboy1989 2 года назад
Okay, but seeing how your face lights up as soon as the CD starts playing the Foyer Dirge made my heart so happy. You truly as THE best Haunted Mansion fan.
@candyschmandy
@candyschmandy 2 года назад
definitely respect this take! i think it probably varies from guide to guide, but when i went on a tour of the haunted mansion i was told that constance was shoving you out the window as yet another victim of her murderess ways. i think someone mentioned it already, but the idea was more that in the graveyard the ghosts are welcoming you/seeing you as their own, rather than being hostile toward you or treating you as merely an observer. this is why the groundsman and dog look so scared of you!
@SuperShadowsGirl
@SuperShadowsGirl 2 года назад
Please, please, PLEASE give us more Haunted Mansion videos! I cannot get enough of these and I *love* hearing more about it!
@MonsterKidCory
@MonsterKidCory 2 года назад
I think the story of the Haunted Mansion is EXACTLY what it says the story is: you are a guest to a retirement home for ghosts. There are 999 Happy Haunts there, but they're always looking for #1000, if there are any volunteers. The Ghost Host committed suicide in the stretching room, and he is probably the character since identified with Master Gracey and the former owner of the house. The ghosts are trying to "break through" to mortal awareness until your "sympathetic vibrations" are received through Madame Leota. It is after her that the ghosts materialize. You see the swinging wake, Constance (which is less of a STORY and more of an extended gag), and then fall out of the window in your Doombuggy. The Doombuggies are a "real thing" in the story, since the Ghost Host actually talks about them as the carriage that will take you on a tour of the ghostly retreat. Then you go through the cemetery, where the Hitchhiking Ghosts have pegged you to be Ghost #1000 and want to follow you home. The last thing you see is Little Leota bidding you to come back and bring your death certificate if you want to stay permanently. All the while, the song tells you directly that the ghosts are just pretending to terrorize you because it's all in good fun. Classic story drafts like the record are basically just telling this story. The movie sucks. The comic and YA books were just licenced fanfic. I personally delight in how meta the Haunted Mansion's story is. It's like Temple of the Forbidden Eye, Jungle Cruise, and Tower or Terror, where the story is that you are a tourist visiting this place (or the star of tonight's episode). They lampshade the fact that you are, in fact, a tourist to Disneyland. It's even better than contriving that you're some "rebel spy" or something, and 100% better than just sitting in a cart to watch a synopsis of a movie.
@loogoo
@loogoo 2 года назад
Totally agree with this. As someone who's experienced the Haunted Mansion from practically Day 1, the best part of it has always been that there didn't need to be a "story," as it is just a tour - as one would tour anyplace that they were considering as a potential final resting place. This one just happens to be more lively than most.
@baystated
@baystated 2 года назад
[It's like parts of your shirt are... HAUNTED! But only the green parts.] It's appropriate that the HM doesn't have a cohesive plot. Rarely ever does a haunting story even stick to its own in-universe rules from start to finish. That's kinda what makes them neat. You don't know where the story is going to go and then [jumpscare!] That's what we're here for. I wish they would expand the HM experience into a nearby space with the walkthrough Museum of the Weird full of the stuff that didn't make it into the HM proper.
@Celtchief
@Celtchief 2 года назад
What's crazy is that the first thing you think of when you think of Ron Howard is him directing the Grinch....not his turn as a star on two of the most popular sitcoms.
@kyripiro224
@kyripiro224 11 месяцев назад
I know Ron as a director more than an actor 😂 I know he directed the live action Grinch, Splash, Willow, and more awesome movies
@thattheatrenerd1418
@thattheatrenerd1418 2 года назад
I always thought you never actually died because the reason for the the ghost at the end was to follow you home to continue the haunt. Why would they follow you and continue the haunt if you are already dead and a spirit. Only way the death theory makes sense is you have a near death experience when escaping the attic, maybe you fall but are only knocked out. Leaving you to wonder after you are escaped how did you actually escape and was any of that real.
@MatthewChenault
@MatthewChenault 2 года назад
Raven: “Caw! Caw! He took the coward’s way out!” Horse: “Neigh! Neigh! No.”
@DeadlyNyghtShayde
@DeadlyNyghtShayde 2 года назад
I love your content in general, but your Haunted Mansion content has made me love something I've yet to experience as though it were a memory. Thank you so much for sharing your passions!
@NelsonReyesJr
@NelsonReyesJr 2 года назад
The Haunted Mansion ride is a sales pitch for you to join them and become the 1000th ghost. The Doom Buggy is your transportation through the immortal realm. At the end, the final sales pitch is,"Dont forget to bring your Death Certificate". My favorite lore for the Haunted Mansion is the linking of it to the Pirates of the Caribbean. The Raven was meant to be your escort through the mansion for the Ghost Host, however, that story didnt "materialize". The Ghost Host voice on the CD is Vincent Price. Great job with your channel!
@___David__
@___David__ 2 года назад
I thought the raven was a reference to the raven in Poe's poem. Which means it's an omen to the people going through the ride. But you see... This is why Phantom Manor is the superior haunted mansion. It's not only that it has the best show building and the superior score. We actually have a comprehensive story all way through the ride 😌 #PhantomManorFTW
@robanybody4064
@robanybody4064 2 года назад
I assumed the guy in the coffin was mistaken for dead and is waking up at his own funeral. Fear of being mistaken for dead and buried alive was a real thing. One could even buy a coffin with an elaborate bell mechanism to allow you to call for help. Look it up.
@kyripiro224
@kyripiro224 11 месяцев назад
True, but then why is his coffin inside the mansion? That's silly 😂 I think the guy in the coffin is a zombie
@ronan8757
@ronan8757 2 года назад
I can say pretty confidently that you are not falling out of the attic window. Not only is there a railing on the slope down into the graveyard, but when you listen to the Story and Song from The Haunted Mansion it is made pretty obvious that the kids in the story are Walking down stairs into the graveyard.
@FloppaDoesMusic
@FloppaDoesMusic 11 месяцев назад
So, I actually have the record that has that book. I also have a record player and I listen to that record too many times. And that record PROVES THE DEATH THEORY FALSE! In the story on the record, it says that the Hat Box Ghost simply blocks the characters from the rest of the mansion. The two kids then walk out of the window onto a BALCONY and WALK DOWN STAIRS into the graveyard. So, no, you do not fall and die. You just walk down some stairs.
@ashleedavis769
@ashleedavis769 2 года назад
Wait but when I went to WDW this summer, a cast member confirmed the death theory saying we are pushed out of the attic and killed.
@JuniperMB
@JuniperMB 2 года назад
I remember having that Haunted Mansion LP when I was little ! (yes, it was originally an LP and apparently is now a CD, the back side was Sorcerer's Apprentice from Fantasia. At the time it gave the credit as Ronny Howard, which was his name when he acted in the Andy Griffith Show.) Thanks for this video and the memories! Thanks for all your videos, really!
@JasonVaughn
@JasonVaughn 2 года назад
So the Ghost host on the recording is Pete Renaday who is trying to use a voice inspired by Boris Karloff. He was also Lincoln in the Hall of Presidents, Henry in the Country Bear Jamboree, and Master Splinter in TMNT in the 80s and 90s.
@elstoggy
@elstoggy 2 года назад
I’d love to get candles from MCC, but postage to the UK is just too much.
@kingofthekart
@kingofthekart 2 года назад
this is a bit off-topic, but the first part of the video got me thinking about the haunted mansion's seemingly looser story. in the late 90s to early 2000s, disney was trying to make an online world to get a good headstart on the internet. they intended to make a bunch of games for kids to play that would be connected through one website that would even interact with each other despite being different. we can see this in a piece of concept art called "Online Theme Park". in this art are a lot of players walking around a town-square-like area, while moving between a few notable setpieces. there's three buildings vaguely named "trading post", "dance", and "arcade". between them is three tunnels, "Toontown", "Pirates", and "Ghosts". i'm pretty sure they wanted to tie disney parks to the internet and generally make their original worlds more known. think about it: toontown got the movie, Who Framed Roger Rabbit, and the online game, Disney's Toontown Online. pirates got the Pirates of the Carribean movie series and the Pirates of the Carribean Online game. the haunted mansion, however, only got its movie in 2003, and considering it wasn't very well received, it's possible haunted mansion got skipped out on for its own online game and general expansion. anyway, this was just something i was thinking about. excited for your next videos!
@colinloughran4148
@colinloughran4148 2 года назад
Hey Dallin, long time fan, I saw you in the parks a couple weeks ago, just wanted to let you know how much that made my day love the videos keep up the great work
@karenmeyer940
@karenmeyer940 2 года назад
I’m older and have the original Haunted Mansion LP. (My mother would purchase us a record as a souvenir each visit.) First, in regards to debunking the theory, couldn’t we just be escaping through the attic window like the teens on the album? Second, a bit of trivia in case it doesn’t list the cast on the DVD. Ron Howard, the movie producer/director with “American Graffiti” and “Happy Days” fame, is the voice of the teen boy on the album. Finally, my high school daughter and I really enjoy Offhand Disney. Thanks!
@SteveCarras
@SteveCarras 2 года назад
ANd that's DLand narrator/character actress Robie Lester as Karen,his date (and Rankin-Bass's "Miss Julia the teacher' in 1970's "Santa Claus is coming to town").
@karenmeyer940
@karenmeyer940 2 года назад
Fun stuff!
@coyoteartist
@coyoteartist 2 года назад
If I'm going to have theories which for some reason I must. I think the Raven is the pet of the Ghost Host, you have the choice of whether you think the fall killed you because you have the choice to join them or go home. They've made the offer by showing around, it's up to you after that. I don't think Constance owns the house, I think she's just one of the many spooks brought or drawn there. Sure it can be fun to have a cohesive story, because Disney's usually telling us one, but the only story you really need here is the one you make from what Disney gives you.
@peterzimmer9801
@peterzimmer9801 2 года назад
Yesss! This video is amazing! I have both the story of the haunted mansion and Jason surrell haunted mansion book as well. I actually got the cd when they released the record on CD for the 40th anniversary in 2009! Best purchase ever! It is DEFINITELY canon. I got chills when you were listening to the CD in your car! Best part of the video. Please make more haunted mansion videos! It’s my favorite Disneyland attraction as well! Thank you so much, Dallin! Keep up the good work!👍🏻😊👍🏻👍🏻
@alli_mode
@alli_mode 2 года назад
The shirt reminds me of the effects in the mansion. Sometimes they work, and sometimes they look a little too "try harder". It works perfectly!
@MattMcIrvin
@MattMcIrvin 2 года назад
The "hitchhiking ghosts" episode at the end is certainly played as if you're still alive and prone to being haunted. But the Ghost Host remains hopeful on the way out that you may yet meet your end and decide to join them.
@ElFreakinCid
@ElFreakinCid 2 года назад
One should take into consideration: Why and how would a ghost attach themselves to another ghost?
@kyripiro224
@kyripiro224 11 месяцев назад
​@@ElFreakinCidPrecisely
@shadowbat12
@shadowbat12 2 года назад
Always great to some new info with the Haunted Mansion!
@timmunro7313
@timmunro7313 2 года назад
Keep the haunted mansion videos coming. Huge huge fan! Thanks. (Even bought the candles) 😁
@DreamQueenScream
@DreamQueenScream 2 года назад
My mom played me the vinyl record when I was a child and it traumatized me for life, the ending is terrifying.
@kyripiro224
@kyripiro224 11 месяцев назад
What happens at the end? 😮
@shainmcgraham3459
@shainmcgraham3459 2 года назад
Just went to Disneyland yesterday, really sad it’s over, I needed an offhand video today . Thanks Dalin ❤️
@thevincentgonzalesplan
@thevincentgonzalesplan 2 года назад
First off, the "you are dead" theory is easy to debunk within the finale of the ride itself - The Hitchhiking Ghosts. Telling the rider to beware of hitchhiking ghosts is an admission that the rider is ALIVE. IF you want to believe in Supernatural theory, a ghost is not going to attach itself to another ghost - pointless. They want to re-connect to the real world, and so the warning is that you, a living person, may find a ghost that has attached to you. So that is a CLEAR debunk. But the MAIN debunk of ANY storyline theory lies in the fact that the Mansion was created as a series of unconnected gags by a variety of Imagineers, and while the Disneyland Record/CD is the closest to canon in regards to a connective story, it is still only a story about 2 kids trapped in a Haunted Mansion, and only depicts their reactions to the gags in the Mansion. So bottom line, there is NO back storyline and all we need to do is enjoy the effects as we ride a creepy ride. THAT's IT!
@TheNotverysocial
@TheNotverysocial 2 года назад
A more or less cohesive tour of a home for ghosts, having all the rooms you expect in a mansion. Anyone may embark on in small groups. There is only a feeling early on, but Madame Leota is there to remove the mystery and permit you to meet them for real afterwards. I think this is much easier to get when the whole of the narration is there like it was in 1969 and again in the 1990s. The periods between and afterwards omit this, giving rise to these dumb theories. A place to retire after you pass away. Everyone who wants a plot would be best off going to Phantom Manor. And see Melanie and Henry Ravenswood.
@thevincentgonzalesplan
@thevincentgonzalesplan 2 года назад
@@TheNotverysocial It just makes sense with regards to how people report "ghost" activity. Most times (especially in today's faked ghost videos) a "ghost" is not seen, but rather objects are manipulated by invisible things. So we are introduced to the floating candle in the endless hallway (BTW - the coffin-guy gag is just that, a throwaway gag). The Hall of Doors is another example of slow introduction of ghostly activity (inspired by the 1963 movie "The Haunting"). And then, you're right, the only sequential piece of one scene explaining the following scene is Madame Leota basically saying "You wanna SEE Ghosts, you got it!", and then we get the HUGE Ballroom scene, the only time we are given the Pepper's Ghost effect. After that, all ghosts/gags are just shadows or Animatronics built and clothed with sheer materials (except The Busts and "Little Leota", which were face projections). No story, rather a simple hangout for ghosts, as you say. Just a mansion filled with various haunts.
@TheNotverysocial
@TheNotverysocial 2 года назад
@@thevincentgonzalesplan Funnily, the attic is dissonant with everything else. It was always the one place where they were going for a real horror feel whilst everything else is going either for exceedingly jovial or cool atmospheric. The one place you don't hear *Grim Grinning Ghosts.* It is also the one scene that they retrofitted a clear plot into which is nowhere to be seen in the rest of the attraction. It is quite jarring.
@thevincentgonzalesplan
@thevincentgonzalesplan 2 года назад
@@TheNotverysocial As far as I can tell, the Mansion ride is the only one in which a backstory has been almost completely invented by a mix of fans, cast members and simple rumors. POTC only had a thread of a notion with the "going backwards in time" aspect, and then Disney flexed its Promo muscles and added the movie elements. Then, changing the Auction scene opened the flood gates. I worry with a new Haunted Mansion movie coming that Disney will tinker even more with this Classic.
@TheNotverysocial
@TheNotverysocial 2 года назад
@@thevincentgonzalesplan Pirates has been overhauled far more by comparison, and more frequently It has seen far more dramatically different iterations. HM is more or less the same as opening day, the Attic scene the one thing that has seen significant changes, and was tonally different from the rest to begin with. Almost everything outside of that had been pure maintenance and effects updates. I always liked the mute bride with the glowing beating heart the most. Ambiguity with random grooms everywhere is far superior to Connie.
@jaydenswift9856
@jaydenswift9856 2 года назад
I always thought the Raven was the ghost host because of the part when he appears and the ghost host says "ahh there you are!" right as he looks at you.
@markwolfking258
@markwolfking258 11 месяцев назад
The hag-raven theory makes a lot of sense too, when you think about it. The raven is one of very few repeating characters in the ride. In that hypothesis, the hag is keeping an eye on its options and/or waiting for an opportunity to possess. It would follow you throughout the house. (And, honestly, with the record/cd, it is canon-ish, sooooo)
@markwolfking258
@markwolfking258 11 месяцев назад
Another thought I had a while back... if there are 999 ghosts at the beginning of the ride and Ezra, Phineas, and Gus leave with some of the tourists ("and a ghost will follow you home"), does that mean that when you leave/exit the ride that there are now 996 ghosts in the Mansion?
@digerman3
@digerman3 2 года назад
what i remeber that the raven was taken over by portrait "April-December" change from young woman to on old hag she wanted to stay alive so tok ower the rawen to find a new body but are stuck in the haunted mansion
@k.a.tproductions2713
@k.a.tproductions2713 2 года назад
It may just be my fan over curiosity but oh how I wish we had a canonized story of the haunted mansion and how it came to be, master gracey, the ghost host, the bride, the hat box ghost… so many questions on why it is the way it is and how it became that way mainly such a good story there but non the less an amazing ride with a great theme.
@Hammy1898
@Hammy1898 2 года назад
When I did the Keys to the Kingdom Tour at WDW, they say that you die in the story but they could have been talking about speculations to the story. Great video! I will never get tired of your HM videos!!!
@ChaoticDragonCrafts13
@ChaoticDragonCrafts13 3 месяца назад
Another version of the death theory could be that you “die” in the stretching room. The ghost host said that basically the only way out is “dying”, and then the doors mysteriously open up after he says that. Us “dying” could be the “key” to going into the rest of the haunted mansion. Idk, I just came up with it
@SaveUsJMT11
@SaveUsJMT11 2 года назад
Every time there’s a haunted mansion video I always tune in as fast as possible!!! Love everything to do with it!
@cwplax25
@cwplax25 2 года назад
Correct me if I’m wrong but I think the “you die in the ride” theory is directed towards the caretaker and his dog bc they look terrified when they see you bc you became a ghost 🤷🏻‍♀️
@kyripiro224
@kyripiro224 11 месяцев назад
I think they're terrified about the graveyard. But if they're scared of us, it's probably because they heard us fall and weren't expecting us 😅
@EeveeKat035
@EeveeKat035 2 года назад
My personal theory is that you (the rider) decide to visit a supposedly haunted mansion. Once you get in the Ghost Host starts messing with you because it's fun, and now you're on this big ghost adventure because "fun". That or you crash a ghost party with the help of the Ghost Host because they decided there needs to be just one more guest for the party. Or the Ghost Host helps you crash the party because they weren't invited. :)
@ninetailednaruto11a
@ninetailednaruto11a 2 года назад
I wish we could get more info on the Museum of the Weird! I made a D&D one shot adventure based on it and the Haunted Mansion and I'd love to add more to them with accurate info.
@bjmatthews3825
@bjmatthews3825 2 года назад
Lou Montello pretty much confirmed the Haunted Mansion death theory in his audio guide to WDW, so the title to this surprised me; of course, the audio guide is 12 years old
@NinthShinigami
@NinthShinigami 2 года назад
Haunted Mansion is the best Disney ride ever, change my mind…
@serenitysfirefly
@serenitysfirefly 2 года назад
Why would anyone ever try to tho
@shawnthegangster4207
@shawnthegangster4207 2 года назад
@@serenitysfirefly right its amazing
@NinthShinigami
@NinthShinigami 2 года назад
@BK Beatty maybe, but for me not even. I don’t think Rise is even top 10 imo… don’t wanna start a flame war tho so please for your sake and mine take my opinion with a grain of salt
@NinthShinigami
@NinthShinigami 2 года назад
@BK Beatty I completely agree with everything you said. I have a major distaste for the sequel trilogy (Rise of Skywalker is one of my least favorite movies of all time), and absolutely love the OG trilogy (I also love Star Tours). If Rise was themed to the OG trilogy I think it would resonate with me just a bit more and even crack my top 10. However, as biased as I am against the sequel trilogy, I don’t think a bad film makes for an inherently bad attraction. For example, I don’t like the film Waterworld. However, the stunt show that is in Universal is pretty amazing and one of my favorite stunt shows. I’m also not a fan of Secret Life of Pets (1 was mediocre, but 2 was solid), but the new ride in Universal Hollywood is honestly amazing! Even though Rise is themed to the new trilogy, I don’t think that takes away from it being a good attraction with some flaws. If it was themed to the OG trilogy and had those same flaws, my opinion would likely remain the same. It would probably resonate with me a bit more tho…
@NinthShinigami
@NinthShinigami 2 года назад
@BK Beatty well hopefully some day Disney pulls their head out of their arse and realize they need to make some changes lol
@arelcrest5048
@arelcrest5048 2 года назад
I‘m always happy when you‘re talking about my home. 💜💜💜
@SunnyDeeeh
@SunnyDeeeh 2 года назад
Offhand Disney puts so much work into his videos, deserves more recognition!
@STSGuitar16
@STSGuitar16 2 года назад
Unrelated, but I wanted to say this and see what y’all think, so here goes: I actually prefer the DL Mansion’s exterior to the MK Mansion’s exterior, but prefer the MK version of the ride itself to the DL ride. The Hatbox Ghost is a fantastic addition to the DL ride and probably gives that version of the attic scene the edge when compared to its counterpart at WDW, but the few extra rooms in the MK version of the ride give it the overall edge, in my opinion. If the MK version had a Hatbox Ghost it would undoubtedly be the better version of the ride. But yeah, the DL Mansion’s exterior is so cool to me and fits in New Orleans Square so perfectly. It’s cool that both versions of the ride have their differences and aren’t just carbon copies of each other. Which Mansion do y’all prefer?
@masonr1666
@masonr1666 Год назад
The hauntings are done by unseen spirts in the first part of the ride. Examples statues staring at you, a piano playing by itself, floating candelabra in infinite halfway, doors trying to open themselves... It is after the séance that we can actually see the spirits that are haunting the Mansion. As illustrated by the Grand Banquet scene...
@masonr1666
@masonr1666 Год назад
What if the raven is a corporeal form of the ghost host, who acts as a guide, and/or a protecting spirit. He is like "hey guys, this guy is cool." So that's why the ghosts are partying. This is why you see him a couple of times during the ride. Kind of like the Cheshire Cat in Alice in Wonderland.
@briansunday7099
@briansunday7099 2 года назад
The ravens in the mansion suffer from a “grave” mistake - they caw. RAVENS DON’T CAW! Crows caw - ravens make a different sound and don’t caw. Also, I thought the death theory came out of the original story - that Master Gore killed his wife by throwing her out of the attic window.
@AdamLMorales
@AdamLMorales 2 года назад
Even though it doesn’t come from Disney, and even though it’s a story about the original attic bride, I feel in my heart that “Nuptial Doom: The Bride in the Attic” is the canonical backstory for the haunted mansion.
@journeyal
@journeyal 2 года назад
To add to the dead tourist debunking, you also have the spirit at the end asking you to return. She wouldn't be asking for you to return if you become part of the ghosts.
@tapperjr93
@tapperjr93 2 года назад
"Here's Laffite's tomb" 😆 I love your obsession with Laffite in Disney
@DarksladeDiaries
@DarksladeDiaries 2 года назад
One other thing to help debunk the death theory. When you leave the attic, there is a very visible balcony railing just before your descent, and a stair railing on either side as you descend. The reason the chair turns and leans back is to view the ghostly trees, the roof of the mansion (which never emulates the actual mansion roof) as well as the raven. Also in the early years of the ride, there were two owls in the branches as well. I well remember them from riding in it's first year in 1969. (incidentally, Ezra's name was given to him by the original Imagineers. His parts box was marked "Ezra/Hallway" as his picture also appears in the corridor of doors.)
@kyripiro224
@kyripiro224 11 месяцев назад
I think we climb a tree in the ride. If the balcony has a stairway, then why doesn't the bride follow us and try to finish us?
@DarksladeDiaries
@DarksladeDiaries 11 месяцев назад
@kyripiro224 The balcony and railing predates the black widow bride (Constance) by several decades. Remember, the original bride was more a victim than a villain.
@Snuby
@Snuby 2 года назад
Last weekend my wife and I where lucky enough not only to be the first people on but the only people on Phantom Manor at disneyland Paris! It was amazing!
@Disnyhaunt
@Disnyhaunt 2 года назад
Great video as always, but for the record from an ex cast member (Me!), they taught the “you are dead” story during our Traditions at the Magic Kingdom in Florida. But we were also told the turkey legs were emu, so who knows 😂😂😂
@markingatlightspeed
@markingatlightspeed 2 года назад
The funny thing about the raven being too small to be the ghost host is that if it were actually portrayed at the appropriate size, I don't think it would have gotten lost. Actual ravens are friggin' huge. The one in the ride looks (and sounds; ravens don't caw) like a crow, size especially lol
@UCRfZb91nX-triozNmzvaRrA
@UCRfZb91nX-triozNmzvaRrA 2 года назад
Finally a new Offhand Disney Haunted Mansion Film which Definitely led Me to this channel back in 2019 when I was planning Mickey Mouse RU-vid Movies. And looking up everything I spotted this Amazing wonderful channel, and finally learning the story behind the Haunted Mansion Attraction, From the Ghost Host to Madame Leota, to The Dinner Party Table to the Raven, to Constance Hatchaway the Bride, to the Hatbox Ghost 👻, to the Man and his Dog to the Hitchhiking Ghost 👻 👻👻 finally I know about the story behind the Haunted Mansion Attraction since 3 years Thank you Dallin
@masonpyle5929
@masonpyle5929 2 года назад
Ron Howard was also Opie Taylor in The Andy Griffith show
@jacoby102
@jacoby102 2 года назад
Hey Dalyn, I noticed when looking for haunted mansion products on the Disney store, that the portrait of the man with the noose around his neck, aka the ghost host, is named MASTER GRACEY. It a Christmas ornament
@adriannasimmons2086
@adriannasimmons2086 2 года назад
I love this video and this is a great theory, but as a cast member I can confirm that in the cast-exclusive backstage tours they confirm that you do indeed die by falling out of the window into the graveyard. Sorry 😞
@filmmakerfreak
@filmmakerfreak Год назад
I love it whenever Dallin busts out the old dead pixel b-roll 😂
@jillboatman428
@jillboatman428 2 года назад
Can you do a video, showing off and recommending those disney books you showed in this video! I love reading and would love recommendations for good disney books about its history or explaining rides or anything disney for that matter! Please do a recommended disney books video, you would pick the best one! There are far to many out there and I want to read the good ones actually recommend by disney fans as big as you:)!
@kristinemunchkin
@kristinemunchkin 2 года назад
The "hag" is Constance. That is why when you see her ghost in the attic you don't see the raven.
@CutesyBubblez
@CutesyBubblez 2 года назад
Next can you do Carousel of Progress debate... is it 1 family or 4 different ones? And what happens to the random girl in the first act who is never seen again?
@Tutankhsunamun
@Tutankhsunamun 2 года назад
I always felt that the raven was like the Ghost Host's familiar or something.
@kayleebrodnan5583
@kayleebrodnan5583 Год назад
You don't see ghosts until Madam Leota calls on them and that's why you see them
@kimberlycarpenter9468
@kimberlycarpenter9468 2 года назад
It's not that you can't see them, it's that you're not part of the party until you fall off the roof.
@emma-mz5xm
@emma-mz5xm 2 года назад
i missed your haunted mansion videos. i love these theories so much
@meganvideo8097
@meganvideo8097 2 года назад
I like to think that the Raven is our friend- we go in a spooky mansion, get kidnapped by our Ghost Host and we have to find a way out. Our raven friend helps guide us along so that we can leave safely. Idk I watched a lot of early Disney princess movies as a kid. Birds are helpful, right? Lol 😂
@tikiviktor
@tikiviktor 2 года назад
I don’t believe the “raven” is an actual raven. He’s too small. He’s actually a crow. If he was a raven he would be AT LEAST twice the size he is. Another clue he’s a crow is look in your Haunted Mansion book the “raven” has a yellowish orangish beaks just like the crows in Dumbo
@aliceincraftland3388
@aliceincraftland3388 2 года назад
I had the record version of the same cd. It was fun to listen to during the Halloween season. 🎃
@RichardDicksondlyrch68
@RichardDicksondlyrch68 2 года назад
But at the end of the ride, you're told "a ghost will follow you home." Doesn't make sense if you "died" along the way.
@StephanieOlea
@StephanieOlea 2 года назад
I love your haunted mansion videos! Would it be possible to get a video of the different stories of the Christmas overlay of the Mansion, I didn't knew the story changes every year until I saw your videos 😱
@MattMcIrvin
@MattMcIrvin 2 года назад
TVTropes calls the canonization phenomenon "Ascended Fanon".
@Solqueen86
@Solqueen86 2 года назад
I like to think when we are still alive in the mansion before the window, we see the starting ghost cause they are tied to physical objects in the moral realm because THEY WANT TO BE SEEN they talk TO US. Crystal ball, a coffin with a ghost that when alive was buried alive screaming to be let out, the ballroom and its dancers wanted others to see them dancing, the Hatbox Ghost and his Hatbox and the bride's hatchet with the bride wanting another husband and try to add you to her next chopping block. But when we died from the fall and landed in the graveyard we can see everyone else now in full now doing their own thing cus we are slowly shifting over to the realm of the dead fully now. They don't care if a newbie just showed up, they are in their own world. And now that it's the witching hour the line of living and dead is so thin given the gravekeeper can see them while still being alive. He is us when we first came into the mansion.
@stephs5521
@stephs5521 2 года назад
My serotonin levels when I see that offhand Disney uploads about the haunted mansion 📈
@brookez3116
@brookez3116 2 года назад
I did haunted mansion walkthrough tour once and still have no idea anything about the raven other than it is required that everyone pet him before the ride opens for the day. Also George Hightower is apparently the cousin of Harrison Hightower the 3rd and not his brother. They made that point clear when I tried to argue with them on it
@arizonaalchemy7572
@arizonaalchemy7572 2 года назад
HAUNTED MANSION, DISNEYLAND is my Favorite !! Great vlog, enjoyed watching ! :)
@UpToSpeed0
@UpToSpeed0 2 года назад
Quick question about your channel. I remember there being a video you made called “The TRUE STORIES behind Disney creepypasta” it was a video where you talked about various Disney creepypastas. I’ve found the link to the video, but it leads to a “video unavailable” screen. Why did you take it down? And if RU-vid themselves took it down, why did they do so? I’ve been really interest about this topic and have been wanting to know what you can say about this. Thank you!
@BreakItYourself
@BreakItYourself 2 года назад
sounds like the Raven was installed thinking it would be the ghost host, testing proved otherwise, and the raven was just kept? Also your first 3 Patreon tiers are Mardi Gras colors... your love for New Orleans square, Pirates, and Haunted Mansion have permeated your subconscious
@DaveSuperDaveLyon
@DaveSuperDaveLyon 2 года назад
The green screen effect with that shirt was very cool.
@carterdunlap9957
@carterdunlap9957 Год назад
Wax Candle Man scared me the first time I saw this video, then, I got interested! When do we get his scene?!
@theblackgoatofthewoods
@theblackgoatofthewoods 2 года назад
I wonder if the ghost Ezra gave his name to the little jediboy in Star Wars Rebels
@HeartlessRandomguy
@HeartlessRandomguy 2 года назад
As far as the Raven goes, don't forget the owner of Phantom Manor is Henry Ravenswood
@jbponzi1
@jbponzi1 2 года назад
Where this gets messed up, the direction of the Doombuggy to the graveyard. Making it easier for the falling out of the attic. Though this can be debunked by the railings on either side of the ride path. Granted they have another purpose, but they could still be the stairs Mike tells Karen about. The only mansion that could be considered the death of us. Phantom Manor takes us under the graveyard and why would be under it. We could have perished…perhaps?
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