The Heresy of Cessationism 1 (The Scriptures) Daniel Kolenda: Off The Record

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Cessationism is the belief that the "miraculous gifts" of the Spirit ceased with the end of the "Apostolic Age." In this Episode of OFF THE RECORD, Daniel Kolenda begins a series aimed at "The Heresy of Cessationism" prompted by the "Cessationist Conference" which was held the week prior.
In Part One of this series entitled "The Scriptures" Daniel begins the conversation by having a look at the common cessationist proof text. Then he contrasts the weak and meager Biblical support for cessationism to the abundant and compelling Scriptural evidence that the gifts continue.
Among the cessationist proof text Daniel adresses are:
- 1 Corinthians 12:7-11
- Ephesians 4:11
- Romans 12:6-8
- 1 Corinthians 13:8-13
- Hebrews 2:3-4
- Ephesians 2:20
- Jude 1:3
- 2 Corinthians 12:12
Among the texts Daniel addresses that refute cessationism are:
- 1 Corinthians 14:1-5
- Joel 2:28-29 (which was quoted in Acts 2:17-18)
- 1 Corinthians 12:7-11
- Mark 16:17-18
- 1 Thessalonians 5:19-21
- 1 Corinthians 14:39
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To view the other parts of this series about "The Heresy of Cessationism" visit:
Cessationism 1 (The Scriptures)
• Cessationism 2 (A Casc...
Cessationism 2 (A Cascade of Lies)
• Cessationism 2 (A Casc...
Cessationism 3 (Has Prophecy Ceased?)
• Cessationism 3 (Has Pr...
Cessationism 4 (Have Tongues Ceased?)
• Cessationism 4 (Have T...
Cessationism 5 (Gifts of Healings)
• Cessationism 5 (Gifts ...
Cessationism 6 (Evidence of Modern Miracles)
• Cessationism 6 (Eviden...
The Heresy of Cessationism 7 (Miracle Workers)
• Cessationism 7 (Miracl...
Cessationism 8 (More Calvinist Than Calvin)
• Cessationism 8 (More C...
Cessationism 9 (The Pagan Origins)
• Cessationism 9 (The Pa...
Cessationism 10 (The Godfather of Cessationism)
• Cessationism 10 (The G...
Cessationism 11 (Miracles in the Middle Ages)
• Cessationism 11 (Mirac...
Cessationism 12 (Awakening & Revival)
• Cessationism 12 (Awake...
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@walterzemaitis4898 11 месяцев назад

I have been healed when the doctors told me their was nothing medical science could do for me. I was in my 20s and I was all so disabled at that time!I was heal by the laying on of hands! God gave me a blood transfusion when hand were layered on me. The power of God went through me! That was over 30 yrs ago! Thank God I was in a church that believe in the whole Bible and not sensationest!! Thank you Jesus ❤

@heatherkeeton4769 11 месяцев назад

My friend got a supernatural blood transfusion also when prayed for- she was incredibly sick. Then after 3 prayers she was miraculously healed!🎉

@calebbenjamin1089 11 месяцев назад

Cessationism doesn't mean there aren't miracles.

@NavyVetE5 11 месяцев назад

@@calebbenjamin1089it doesn't matter if they believe that miracles happen sporadically. The truth is every born-again believer has been given gifts by God to use now. Mark 16:17-18 [17]And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; [18]they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.” Christ Ascends to God’s Right Hand

@J_a_s_o_n 11 месяцев назад

@@calebbenjamin1089we know what cessationists believe Caleb. We live with them.

@normacortes8708 11 месяцев назад

Those censationist have exposed themselves.

@markvanoostrum 10 месяцев назад

Dear brother Daniel, Great teaching. I couldn't agree more. All you've said I can confirm by experience. I grew up in a church that taught heavily on cessationism. So I recognize all the arguments you've mentioned. It's true that these are the main points for the defense of cessationism. I was young and relied on what I was told. I didn't read the Bible myself at that time. All I knew were the preferred verses of the church. No need to say that there was little to no power in the church. Much sickness, depression and strive. But it was all normal to me, because every lack of power was reasened away effectively. At the age of 18, I came to the living faith in Jesus, my wonderful Savior and Lord. The indoctrination of the teachings however, wasn't quite over yet. I started to read the Bible myself, but initially with the lense of cessationism. The doctrines I was under I simply passed on. That lasted about 15 years. Then, in my early thirties, I got in touch with charismatics. I saw things I couldn't explain and decided to put of the cessationist glasses to search the Scriptures as if for the first time. What a wonderful yourney that was! The Bible became my authoritative guide. What I discovered is that there is literally NO argument for the doctrine that the gifts of the Spirit were temporal and have ceased. Everything points to continuation. So I had to decide whether to follow the doctrines I had been taught or the authority of the Bible. I chose the latter. Never regretted it. Coming from the camp of cessationism, I now speak in tongues, prophecy, lay hands on the sick, bind and cast out demons. While I'm still learning!, I see the power of God already working mightily. What a wonderful God we serve! The gifts are really to edify and build up the body of Christ. The powers of the kingdom of God are released by the Holy Spirit through His gifts. So, by simply reading the Scriptures I saw that I HAD to repent of the heresy of cessationism. It can't stand in the light of Scripture. Cessationism is nothing more than a disguise of lack of power by the lack of faith. I say this by my own experience, because that is exactly what I had to repent of. Jesus, through the Spirit, works with the preaching of the word, confirming it by signs and wonders, Mk 16:20. Nowhere in the Bible I found that He one day will stop doing this in the church. Instead He continues to do so. He is the same, yesterday, today and forever. Of course my wife and I had to leave the church we were attending. But that was only for our good 😄 Love and blessings from the Netherlands.

@anitassigmundsen2554 2 месяца назад

I agree sir. You actually have to make a decision to take of the cessationist glasses.

@rozaliamajores4798 Месяц назад

Happy for you if you live your faith 24/7, however, I still love Pastor John's explanation of the bible verse by verse because he studied both Greek and Hebrew, we were in the Charismatic movement until we started to see very young people going on a few months of course and "teaching" something but it wasn't the bible definitely!

@Loveisgreater72 11 месяцев назад

It can't be over. I have received the baptism in the Holy Spirit and I know for sure it is still for today. The gifts also. Glory to God.

@normacortes8708 10 месяцев назад

@Empty_Tomb_Podcast So what Paul wrote means nothing? He spoke to the believers about the gifts of the spirit. Paul was not in the upper room, neither when the Holy Spirit came upon the disciples. Paul was persecuting the Christians. And you are very judgemental. Jesus said to learn of Him, for He is meek and gentle.

@jasonnikiforuk8592 8 месяцев назад

how do you know

@tracy8508 7 месяцев назад

Absolutely!

@tracy8508 7 месяцев назад

Absolutely!

@tracy8508 7 месяцев назад

Absolutely!

@fonegnacopie2977 11 месяцев назад

I’ve been baptized in the Holy Spirit, I speak in tongues. By the Grace of God, I received my miracle healing from fibromas on my uterus, leaning on the living Scriptures!!! I praise the Lord it isn’t over, and the surgeons couldn’t take my womb away because Jesus showed me how to stand on His Word. This is my testimony. Glory to God in the High Places 🙌🏽✨🙌🏽

@bogadikana5874 11 месяцев назад

That's powerful to hear! A month ago I was advised by doctors of same condition and I needed this encouragement.🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

@caroleimani9754 11 месяцев назад

Do you mean: "Glory to God in the Highest." I think Satan is in "The High Places."😮

@I_am_tjmac 10 месяцев назад

To God be all the glory! 🙌🏾

@fonegnacopie2977 10 месяцев назад

@@bogadikana5874 Be encouraged to spend time worshiping Him, soaking in His Presence, and leaning on the revelation of the Holy Spirit to decree God’s promises over yourself. I was like the woman in Matthew 9, but now it’s gone. God is faithful ! Much love 💕 to you💕

@bogadikana5874 10 месяцев назад

@@fonegnacopie2977 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 Thank you.

@AleksStashko 11 месяцев назад

This was an amazing podcast! Thank you Evangelist Daniel Kolenda for defending the word of God.

@nategarrison99 10 месяцев назад

“Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how you ought to answer each person.” ‭‭Colossians‬ ‭4‬:‭6‬ ‭ESV‬‬

@geraldineregina7069 4 месяца назад

Thank you. This video had me asking a lot of questions...

@Watchmanonthewall77 4 месяца назад

Compared to Justin Peters, Chis Rosenbrough, and the messed up church, Daniel has been a very gracious and fair representative of continueism. Maybe you should make this post in their channel.🧐

@bugslayerprime7674 4 месяца назад

Agreed, I just found this channel a day or so ago, and Ive been watching this series in random order. This being the first one in the series also seems to be the most salty! 🤣

@geraldineregina7069 4 месяца назад

@redrain7730 if Daniel is a continuationist, then I'm even more disappointed, given the kind of people he associates with. I've listened to the people you mentioned, and being someone who believes in the gifts of the spirit, I find these people more agreeable and word focused as compared to the likes Daniel associates with.

@Watchmanonthewall77 4 месяца назад

@@geraldineregina7069 i find myself agreeing with these people on points of false doctrine such as "little gods doctrine, prosperity gospel, its Gods will to heal everyone" or wouldn't watch them. I also don't find it cosher that Daniel associates with the likes of Kenneth Copeland and others that teach these things. My point is, that Daniel is being polite compared to the above mentioned. And who Daniel associates with doesn't make these teachings any less credible. Eat the meat and spit out the bones with Daniel just like we do with messed up church, Chris Rosebrough, and Justin Peters.

@cdow68 10 месяцев назад

Hallelujah!!! The Lord is Great!!! Our prayers have been answered. Well done… you passed the Joseph Prison Test and your Character has been refined through the 🔥 fire of God. I’m SO thankful for you!!! May you and your family be Extremely blessed!!! God bless you Brother!!! The entire world was praying for you. This gives the Body of Christ GREAT reason to rejoice!!! 🔥✝️

@abhishekadelio96 11 месяцев назад

A big Thank you Daniel Kolenda much needed this!!

@ShowCat1 7 месяцев назад

Submitting to the Spirit, raising our hands in church, dancing before the Lord, healing the sick, casting out devils, speaking in unknown tongues, and operating in the word of knowledge requires us to put aside our pride. Cessationist choose only those gifts which leave opportunity for pride to remain and grow.

@rozaliamajores4798 Месяц назад

I disagree with this, as Paul clearly stated we are to be orderly in church, but also out in the world! The Lord casts out the demons, heals the sick, we are the vessels He use to pray for those in need!

@tevcas 7 месяцев назад

got healed the other day, had a crooked spine and now its completely straight and in the middle of my back again. praise God

@miriambartley6622 4 месяца назад

God healed my scoliosis too.

@gardengarden 11 месяцев назад

Thank you for addressing this. It’s incomprehensible to me how/why this is even a thing.

@kimberlykennedy55 11 месяцев назад

Daniel, I’m so glad you are doing “Off The Record” again. Love your teaching, preaching, etc. Keep doing these.

@danielcornide4927 9 месяцев назад

I was Baptized in the Holy Spirit, and had to go back to the Scriptures to understand what I had experienced🔥🙏🏼🙌🏼✝️👑

@DanielKolenda 9 месяцев назад

Amazing!

@TheRemnantFire_ 9 месяцев назад

This happened to me too, I had no idea what I had actually experienced back in July of this year, baptism of Holy Spirit Fire Luke 3:15-18 @@DanielKolenda

@jcfrazier5853 8 месяцев назад

Same here. It's amazing how the Lord, through the Holy Spirit, guided me back to the scriptures. I am now more convinced that the Holy Bible is The Word of God ✝️ Heck, I even sing in tongues now!

@SouthAmerica4Christ 8 месяцев назад

My family believes in cessationism and so I played your video during the holidays and it helped.

@ShamelesslyRed 8 месяцев назад

Me too! I had no church background. When God saved me and I was immediately born again, up through my body out of my mouth, flowed what I later discovered was tongues. It was this utterly beautiful, life changing event of meeting Jesus through the Holy Spirit that drove me to scripture to understand what had just happened to me. I had never even read parts the Bible prior to being born again. That was almost 34 years ago. I'm so glad I found this video. I've been made to question my faith, even my sanity or the "deceitfulness" of my heart by cessationists over my simple testimony. I would like to ask though ... Can anyone actually be born again and deny the power of the Holy Spirit who lives as an inner witness? Isn't this how we KNOW Jesus? As opposed to knowing about Jesus?

@ayanda-zs 7 месяцев назад

As one who encountered and received miracles first hand I've struggled with this doctrine. Grateful for confirmation - I'm not mad after all 😊.

@AlbertOchoa-z6s 10 месяцев назад

Very well explained. Jesus is the same yesterday today and forever amen.

@nicholastaitano 11 месяцев назад

Daniel this was an outstanding line by line case for what the Bible really says about the gifts of the Holy Ghost! Thank you for creating this!

@vasilhrisca5536 6 месяцев назад

He didn’t debunk the cessationist side whatsoever. And I don’t think he understands their arguments. It was a pretty low intellect video. Blind leading the blind here. Do some research man.

@suzannemartin6817 4 месяца назад

@@vasilhrisca5536there are ten videos in the series. Have you listened to all of them? Can you provide Scriptural arguments for cessationism at any level? Being irritated by a content creator is not an a scriptural proof.

@vasilhrisca5536 4 месяца назад

@@suzannemartin6817 yes he’s ranting and twisting scripture. Basic understanding of miracles in the New Testament was to validate the deity of Jesus, the fact that he did miracles and he gave power to his disciples for a period of time. Towards the end of each apostle miracles wasn’t a daily routine. And with the closing of the scripture it’s absolutely biblical to argue for the miracles of the New Testament over fabrication that we see today. Watch the cessationist documentary and gain understanding on the other side. Modern day “miracles” are not what we see in the scripture. They’re fabricated to appear, no human today has this gift that is credible to perform the miracles that we see in the Bible.

@arminius504 2 месяца назад

@@vasilhrisca5536 none of what you said here is new. We already know your position. I’ve listened to hours of cessationists like MacArthur, Jeff Durbin, Douglas Wilson etc. None of it is found in scripture either. Their arguments are weak. I know 100% that you are wrong just out of my own experience. The holy spirit is not just a theoretical concept on paper.

@doughanson3140 11 месяцев назад

Beautifully said. A commentary like this is way overdue.

@jeffinjohnson17 11 месяцев назад

A cessationist is a Christian who's gone cold, unbelieving and worldly.

@marklucero2524 10 месяцев назад

There's a lot of cold love in those who argue for cessationism. (Because the iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold) Stay warm my friends, stay warm my brothers!! ❤‍🔥

@dpiponski 6 месяцев назад

A cessationist absolutely believes in the power of God to heal, just not that the “gift of healing” rests on individuals. Leaders like Kolenda want the glory for themselves and want the attention on them. Their motivation is the same as Satan, to dethrone God and exalt themselves. He claims to have personally led thousands to Christ. That is a “look at me” statement. God does the leading in every soul that is saved. No man or woman has ever led another to Christ. We share the Gospel, but when a person turns from their sin to cling to the beautiful atoning sacrifice of Christ it is the sovereign work of God. Man brings nothing but empty hands.

@jeffinjohnson17 6 месяцев назад

@@dpiponski Are you a Christian?

@suzannemartin6817 4 месяца назад

@@dpiponskibut where does the Scripture say the “gift of healing” no longer is active. Your feelings about Mr Kolenda are not an argument against the gifts.

@estrellas24 3 месяца назад

It's actually plural. The gifts of healings. Sean Christie channel Revealing Truth had an interesting perspective on this!

@JajpalSingh-ie9uj 11 месяцев назад

praise the Lord dear pastor Lord be bless you more than more

@jamesgarner8188 4 месяца назад

I had no idea you were such a great teacher. Thank you for creating this and making it available on you tube. I was raised in a cessationalist denomination but like you said. I got serious about God later in life and sat down with an open mind and read the Bible. I got mad at God for giving them gifts and not giving them to us. I thank God i eventually came into a church that believed the whole Bible and was asked, "have you received the Holy Ghost since you believed?"

@anitassigmundsen2554 2 месяца назад

I'm so glad they have made a poster with pictures and names. Makes it easier when we want to warn to make new believers aware.

@EvangelistDanielKing 11 месяцев назад

Great job Daniel. It is so good that you are teaching on this. CFAN has witnessed thousands and thousands of miracles. Both in the Bible and in practice it is clear that the gifts of the Holy Spirit are for today.

@roebbiej 8 месяцев назад

Massive respect for you, thank you for this video.

@danielross5447 11 месяцев назад

Thank you Daniel for contending for the truth!

@toolegittoquit_001 10 месяцев назад

That's not what he is doing here. 😞

@joeltchouala783 11 месяцев назад

I know you have a busy schedule, but I'd be great if you did these podcasts episodes more often Evangelist Daniel.

@angelabaldwin4282 11 месяцев назад

Thank you Bishop Kolenda!

@kathleenfairchild7122 11 месяцев назад

I totally agree… but is there a reason why I hear people calling this heresy as opposed to blasphemy of the Holy Spirit? Aren’t they calling what the Holy Spirit has been doing demonic? I grew up in churches that basically believed speaking in tongues was demonic. Isn’t that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit? It seems like the spirit the Pharisees had when they suggested Jesus was healing with the powers of beelzebub. I guess I’m needing clarification between heresy and blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

@chuksokere5994 11 месяцев назад

I would almost agree with you, but its a heart issue. There are cessationist whose hearts dont agree with it but are afraid and come by night like nicodemus. It is very close to blaspheming the spirit and especially dangerous for these minister who shouold have more knowledge and revelation but are causing little ones to stumble. Lets pray for MERCY!

@eddiendirangu 7 месяцев назад

I fully agree with both your dissertation and presentation. As a rebuke and correction, it's actually long overdue; a tough love necessary towards this openly self-conceited and visibly arrogant Cessationist community! Brother Daniel, your interpretation is very faithful to the letter and the spirit of the Word of God. I encourage you to continue unrelentingly to fight for the faith once delivered to the saints!! Given, the Reformed theology has indeed contributed significantly in certain credible ways, for instance in terms of an emphasis on Christology, a reverence of the Scriptures, and generally a more conservative biblical interpretation of societal values, especially against those who have fallen into the errors of liberal theology. However, the so-called Reformed church incessantly and indignantly takes a narrow and parochial interpretation with regards to Pneumatology, which is quite irritably dishonest and outrightly unfaithful to their claim of "sola scriptura". The baffling irony is that the alleged mantra of "scripture alone" has effectively been used to preclude the Spirit, the very Author of the Scriptures, and also contradict the very text of the Scriptures themselves!

@kennethrassie9253 11 месяцев назад

All of GOD'S word for all of GOD'S people, always. Pietermartzburg kzn South Africa 🇿🇦

@emf49 11 месяцев назад

Excellent episode. I’m disgusted by the idea of this conference. It’s ridiculous. Millions of people have experienced the gifts of the spirit and here is this ‘group’ of men holding an entire ‘pricey’ conference to say we’re all either liars or lunatics! I feel sorry for them.

@toolegittoquit_001 10 месяцев назад

All Believes have benefited from the gifts. There just no more sign gifts today

@tomtemple69 7 месяцев назад

more ridiculous than Daniel charging for "impartation" sessions?

@suzannemartin6817 4 месяца назад

@@toolegittoquit_001but where does it say that in Scripture?? We need at least two passages.

@suzannemartin6817 4 месяца назад

@@tomtemple69you can disagree with that but that can’t be the basis for your argument for cessationism.

@777repentnow 11 месяцев назад

Daniel the intro/first 5 mins to this message is literally GOLD. Thank you for having the balls to put this out there like that 😂

@tomtemple69 10 месяцев назад

yeah he just insults them over and over again how Christ-like...

@ShowCat1 10 месяцев назад

@tomtemple69 They're all Calvinist. Calvinist insult EVERYBODY! How Christ-like...

@777repentnow 10 месяцев назад

@@tomtemple69 you missed the point of the intro then lol… these guys are absolutely demonized by the “cessationists” out there, how Christ like is that? Literally demonized. How is calling someone who is filled with the spirit of God, a demon, and unsaved somehow Christ like?

@zeropointperspective9643 10 месяцев назад

@@tomtemple69 if you think this is insult then you have no idea what the so called heresy hunters say about charismatics

@tomtemple69 10 месяцев назад

@@zeropointperspective9643 i have heard them never once have i heard them call someone an incel and living in their moms basement and play video games all day... like what is this? party chat on xbox and everyone is 13 years old?? seriously, that's gotta be the most immature thing I've ever heard anyone on Christian youtube say

@bluejojordan 11 месяцев назад

I thought Cessation folks did not believe in the gifts of the Spirit being distributed anymore, but they believe that God still does miracles.

@toolegittoquit_001 10 месяцев назад

One of the few correct statements associated with his vacuous gripes

@dpiponski 6 месяцев назад

That’s exactly what cessationists believe. This “pastor” admittedly knew nothing about cessationism until recently. Now he’s making videos calling it heresy. This man is a blind guide.

@olufunkeoluwatoba9322 5 месяцев назад

@@dpiponskiNo he is not a blind guide. He is being used mightily of God in our African Countries to lead sinners out of their bondage into the kingdom of God. In his crusades we see the Gifts of the Spirit at work with signs and wonders following just like Acts of the Apostles

@suzannemartin6817 4 месяца назад

But the idea that the gifts of the Spirit are not distributed anymore is not in Scripture. Don’t we know that Scripture teaches that God is the same and never changes? So, how can he give the gifts and then take them back?.

@alissakersh4683 11 месяцев назад

Thank for this teaching and speaking truth. We appreciate you!

@purinhart7766 11 месяцев назад

Thank you for your Biblical balance of the Word & The Holy Spirit! Same since we heard you 1st time!

@ajkruger77 11 месяцев назад

Excellent teaching Daniel! Thank you for taking a bold stand for the truth.

@stanleyasiamahagyemang672 11 месяцев назад

I love this exposition so much. Thank you Evangelist Daniel Kolenda for clarity. Ghana loves you 🎉😊

@mellyanggraenigio 11 месяцев назад

This message is sooo good 🔥🔥🔥

@stevee3922 5 месяцев назад

After listening to many of my Charismatic brothers address this subject in a timid, almost backwards way, it is refreshing to hear someone bold enough to actually call cessationism what it is - $#/=!

@worshipwithoutlimits 11 месяцев назад

This was a tough one...was praying you talk about it. 😊 Thank you sir.

@FRN2013 10 месяцев назад

"But Daniel, some charismatics abuse the gifts!" So did the Corinthians. Yet Paul commanded them to "earnestly seek spiritual gifts." He told them do not despise prophecy.

@toolegittoquit_001 10 месяцев назад

The Letter to the Corinthians was a stern rebuke. Do you even read your Bible ?? 🤦🏻

@FRN2013 10 месяцев назад

Yes, I do, quit, but you don't read comments you are replying to.

@e.rod.moto. 10 месяцев назад

🤷‍♂️ This guy sounds like a noisy gong or clanging cymbal. Although I've had healing in my life and believe in it, I do see a lot of charlatans out there today. The prosperity gospel and speaking in tongues have clearly been misused and abused. I understand why cessationist have their opinion. I think this guy is just personally offended and you can hear his frustration.

@dgarden6961 4 месяца назад

The word of God is also to bring correction,this is what Daniell are doing.The fact that you get some charlatans don't change God's word.If you like it or not, Truth stays Truth

@rhondahg5865 11 месяцев назад

Evangelist Kolenda you are an excellent teacher. Thank you for making us aware of “Cessationist”. This lie is from the “father of lies” himself. 😡 John 14:11-20 Jesus said “believe me for works sake…”

@toolegittoquit_001 10 месяцев назад

He is no evangelist. I am not even certain he is a Believer instead of just a wolf

@rhondahg5865 10 месяцев назад

@@toolegittoquit_001 keep your criticism to yourself. Apparently you are of your father of lies. Mind your business and stay in your lane.

@suzannemartin6817 4 месяца назад

@@toolegittoquit_001are you making that statement from this video (or maybe even just part of it)?

@mannyleon2122 11 месяцев назад

Great post! Holy Spirit and His gifts are more needed than ever

@eugenenunn4900 10 месяцев назад

Im not a Cessationist but his labeling of this doctrine being heretical and a doctrine of demons is a categorical error. A heretical doctrine is a doctrine that will lead someone into hell. You cant be a Brother or Sister in Christ and embrace heresies. Also, in context, a doctrine of demons is a doctrine promoting a false religion or other forms of heresies. If cessationisism was heretical or a doctrine of demons, anyone who embraces it could not be a Christian

@dgarden6961 4 месяца назад

Cessacionist is a doctrine of devil's,it attacks the character of God.Many people , children included are dying before their time because of the false cessacionist unbelief teachings.God said His people get destroyed because lack of knowledge.

@troyappleton2753 19 дней назад

Correct. The problem for many Christians today is that they are sadly biblically illiterate and/or don't know church history. It's an odd thing that basically all evangelicals and some of the most foremost pastors and theologians of the evangelical church were cessationalists and yet they must be "heretics"!! I thought heresy was for for fundamental core doctrines essential to the faith and salvation.

@sarahd5341 10 месяцев назад

her·e·sy /ˈherəsē/ noun belief or opinion contrary to orthodox religious (especially Christian) doctrine. Well seeing as everyone was a cessationist until about 180 years ago when the “RESTORATION” of the gifts “happened”. I’d say if any view falls under “heresy”, it’s your view. But I wouldn’t even say that about so called “continuationists” (who are actually restorationists). Friends, let’s take more time to learn church history and less time trying to speak in gibberish and hear God outside of His word. Might do ya some good.

@richardhislop-harvestthena4882 11 месяцев назад

Amen amen amen! Biblical truth! ❤Right on word that goes right along with a word I released lately! Daniel appreciated you so much! Bible truth! Amen amen! So good! The Lord is truly dealing with this right now in the church! Just a confirmation as the Lord has so many of us publicly addressing the false doctrine heresy if cessationism.

@gracejoylove 8 месяцев назад

The teaching starts at 18:05 The perfect has not yet come - 20:50 1 Cor 1:7-8 - 25:25 Hebrews 2:3-4 - 25:50 Ephesians 2:20 - 28:04 Jude 1:3 - 29:43 Continuationism - 32:05 Joel 2:28-29 - 29:59 Mark 16:17-18 - 36:16

@agnesr.4664 11 месяцев назад

Oh my goodness, the first couple of minutes... I could not stop grinning at your humor. 😂

@toolegittoquit_001 10 месяцев назад

Insults just demonstrate the weakness of his 'arguments'

@unknown_amazing_chap4480 6 месяцев назад

@@toolegittoquit_001, don't be deceived! Satan has lied to you for years through his so called "cessationism". Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever the same! He still heals today! Here's proof: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-uBIWpLrOMOk.htmlsi=ofBIuOfFY-7NoMKW

@suzannemartin6817 4 месяца назад

@@toolegittoquit_001please provide scriptural argument for the cessation of the gifts of the spirit. Disliking Daniel Kolenda is not that.

@stephenpaulrichard1403 Месяц назад

Doubt and Unbelief can even stop Jesus from doing what he can fully.

@josephmead1805 11 месяцев назад

Rock solid truth! Thank you!!!

@pauldonaghey4896 8 месяцев назад

This video is the best I’ve ever watched on the matter. Thank you Lord for using Daniel to destroy this terrible theology.

@boluwarin 11 месяцев назад

I was healed of terrible back pain on the spot when a friend prayed for me on a stage in front of a huge crowd

@sarahd5341 10 месяцев назад

See cessationists (like myself)believe this absolutely happens today. The difference is we don’t say your friend has the “gift of healing”. God uses means to accomplish his will and he uses means like prayer to heal people. Cessationists don’t say God no longer heals. We say the “gift of healing” has ceased. It was even fading away in Paul’s time. It served a specific purpose (verifying the message of the apostles) and now that we have the complete Bible, verifying miracles/signs are no longer needed.

@seanrathmakedisciples1508 10 месяцев назад

@@sarahd5341it’s about time that you start laying hands on the sick and commanding healing and deliverance in Jesus name.

@suzannemartin6817 4 месяца назад

@@sarahd5341where does the Bible say that though? You need at least two. And don’t you believe that in our time we need Miracles signs and wonders to follow the oreaching of the gospel-why not. Because we have the Bible…. So then we wind up back at the question “But where does the Bible actually teach that specific gifts were take back by God, while others remained??

@soozin2u 11 месяцев назад

Thank you for “calling a spade a spade.”

@bluejojordan 11 месяцев назад

I saw the Cessionist movie recently and they seem to make a lot of good points from the scripture to back up what they believe.

@sunithagirish2139 11 месяцев назад

In order to do that they must avoid a lot of scripture 😊

@bluejojordan 11 месяцев назад

@@sunithagirish2139 Thanks for the reply. What scriptures would they have to avoid?

@toolegittoquit_001 10 месяцев назад

@@sunithagirish2139This is an argument without zero facts. Don't bring a comic book to a Bible Study

@sunithagirish2139 10 месяцев назад

@@bluejojordan ask the Holy Spirit to show you the truth as you read.

@sunithagirish2139 10 месяцев назад

@@toolegittoquit_001 oh not a comic book. Just an understanding from the Holy Spirit.

@pushparajdominic3 11 месяцев назад

Brother Kolenda, Loved it. When the cessassionists riducle the gifts they ridicule the giver who is the Holy Spirit. And they are periliously close to sinning against the Holy Spirit. These are folks who think they are intelligent when they are not. A Charismatic-gifted person is like an insane person and these cessassionists do not want to look insane for they feel they have some "diginity". The sad part is, there are some ignorant folks who try to follow these without understanding the Scripture.

@caroleimani9754 11 месяцев назад

A Charismatic--gifted person is like an insane person?? Is that what's WRONG with them?? That's what it sounds like.😅😮.... +++ ....😮 ....+++

@tomtemple69 10 месяцев назад

@@caroleimani9754 maybe because a majority of these "gifted" people are complete frauds how do you spot the frauds from the legit? every author warns about false teachers, they warn about false prophets and even antichrists who show signs wonders and miracles and will mislead many no one can replicate what the Apostles did because then what would differentiate them from say mormons?

@toolegittoquit_001 10 месяцев назад

This is among the silliest posts I have read today But it's early 😔

@suzannemartin6817 4 месяца назад

@@caroleimani9754what is being meant I think is that to cessatonists, charismatic people look insane and they’d never want to offend somebody’s “sensibilities” so they decry it.

@alicebuckley806 11 месяцев назад

You shall know them by their fruit! In this endtime only the miraculous, the supernatural will prevail. God is a Spirit and the christian life is spiritual! God is separating the sheep from the goat. Truth will always interpret itself and only the truth we know sets us free. The religious mind can never grasp spiritual things! Thank you Daniel for your message it needed to be said. God Bless you!

@KlanHoffman 11 месяцев назад

According to Jesus Christ himself, charismatic manifestations are not a guarantee that you are known by God.

@J_a_s_o_n 11 месяцев назад

@@KlanHoffmanHoffman, they are not charismatic manifestations. They are the gifts of the Holy Spirit. 1 Corinthians 4:20 NKJV - For the kingdom of God is not in word but in power. 1 Thessalonians 1:5 NKJV - For our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit and in much assurance, as you know what kind of men we were among you for your sake. I do understand maybe where you are coming from. There are so many balanced charismatics who study scriptures and walk in God's power in the name of Jesus. Christianity is not a religion like others but it's a personal intimate relationship our creator. He wants this with each of us personally. We can't operate like other religions on traditions that Jesus criticized ! No way !

@KlanHoffman 11 месяцев назад

@@J_a_s_o_n Did you even read the Bible? ‭Matthew‬ ‭7:21‭-‬23‬ ‭NASB2020‬ [21] “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. [22] Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ [23] And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; leave Me, you who practice lawlessness.’

@J_a_s_o_n 11 месяцев назад

@@KlanHoffman So that verse you cherry picked INVALIDATES the gifts of the Holy Spirit? Is that what you are actually saying Hoffman? Is this how you study scriptures? Is this your proof that the gifts of the Holy Spirit ceased? This verse doesn't mean anything of what you are trying to insinuate. It just means you may actually walk in signs and wonders but be far off from having a relationship with God ! It's possible! Learn to read in context too.

@KlanHoffman 11 месяцев назад

@@J_a_s_o_n I'm a classic pentecostal Christian man in Sweden. I can admit that Swedish people can seem to be a bit boring in comparison to other nationalities, but I am not a cessationist.

@Evfadeshabo 11 месяцев назад

Well done brother Daniel

@YayHahvsj 10 месяцев назад

"The (Holy) Spirit makes them alive to God in Christ Jesus. Wonderfully said!

@user-lo6cj6fs9h 11 месяцев назад

That conference is being done because the devil knows the greatest sovereign revival is about to happen. This is amazing as some of my friends are following some of the these men which don’t believe Matt 28:18-20 and Mark 16:15-20 which are one whole command. Until Jesus returns be supernatural literally. Behind all false doctrine there is a work of sin. Cessationists sin is lack of intimacy and fear of man. I get it. I understand but we surrender our lives to truths of the Kingdom until the end of the age when Jesus returns

@stevehardwick7285 7 месяцев назад

"Just say baby words as fast as you can and soon you'll be speaking tongues," Sid Roth. Draw your own conclusions.

@suzannemartin6817 4 месяца назад

That is an out of context quote. Being shocked by it is not a scriptural argument for the ceasing of tongues.

@stevehardwick7285 4 месяца назад

If modern "tongues" were legit, there would be no argument, because it wouldn't be confined to the Pentecostal movement that began around 1920.@@suzannemartin6817

@phishhu 4 месяца назад

Sid Roth also might have been wrong in saying that. It still doesn't change the fact that Scripture clearly teaches that tongues and other signs are still here today.

@stevehardwick7285 4 месяца назад

Yet they only exist in the charismatic movement that began around 1900.@@phishhu

@vladbin5097 11 месяцев назад

Straight to the point. Cessationism is heresy and those who preach it heretics. They denied the power of God. The Bible teaches us to “Have nothing to do with such people” 2nd Timothy 3:5. Also the word of God warns us that “In the last times there will be scoffers… who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.” Our God is God of faith and He acts in our lives according to our faith. Due to lack of faith of those who knew a lot about Jesus He did not perform miracles among them. Matthew 13:58. Right here is a witness of God’s miracles. My wife got healed from constant back pain while we were praying in tongues with our relatives and friends. We all felt such a strong presence of God almost like tangible. She just asked God “please heal me because I am tired from the pain” and she instantly felt her back start straightening up and she felt something was happening in her back. She instantly realized she got healed. It’s been a few years now and she never had any back pain anymore. God wants to be real in your life not just theoretically but actively real. Most of the time you cannon rationalize Gods work with your mind. You have to accept Gods word like a child and believe it without any prejudice and doubt. The moment you start doubting Gods word it becomes inactive for you. And if you want to rationalize what’s God doing you need to rationalize the birth of Jesus, all the miracles He performed, His resurrection and the rest of the Bible. Thank you Daniel for such a powerful argument.

@charleshines844 11 месяцев назад

Loved the direct approach on cessationism. Embarrassment is one of the key threats to religious institutionalism. The gospels all expose religion in that institutional form with it's legalism. A clear visible healing was criticised. Then it's Provider was demeaned by the theologist authorities. As ministered - it's in the Scriptures.

@JPLEGACYTRADES 9 месяцев назад

Amen !!! Preach it brother!

@seanrathmakedisciples1508 11 месяцев назад

90% of believers don’t believe in healing. When I went to my first bible study it was to a Brethren Fellowship who were great bible teachers and they were teaching cessationism But they were teaching it by stealth. I was already a Spirit filled believer and I was already healing the sick in Jesus name. Both my wife and I heal the sick and we teach others to do likewise. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday today and forevermore Hebrews 13:8 ❤

@KlanHoffman 11 месяцев назад

Most cessationists believe that God sometimes heals as answer to prayer.

@seanrathmakedisciples1508 11 месяцев назад

@@KlanHoffman They believe that God is not good all the time. My wife and I laid hands on a woman that was attacked by cancer and I went to minister healing again and the pastor said God doesn’t want her well. I was shocked because they had a different God than we had. We believed that God is Love and he never changes

@KlanHoffman 11 месяцев назад

@@seanrathmakedisciples1508 that type of idiocy is more prevalent among charismatics.

@tomtemple69 10 месяцев назад

@@seanrathmakedisciples1508 the teaching that God always heals every time IN THIS LIFE is nowhere in the Bible

@tomtemple69 10 месяцев назад

@@seanrathmakedisciples1508 is God the gifts? Is God's essence inseparable from His energies?

@marytim1168 11 месяцев назад

Thanks for the teaching.

@Jesus123ioasdjfkasjfkjlasdfask 4 месяца назад

Salvation is the best Gift God has given to sinners, and the baptism of the holy spirit is the best gift God has given to believers

@AlwynUys 11 месяцев назад

PREACH DANIEL! Amen

@jellysandjamz250 10 месяцев назад

I guess it should be expected, by someone who thinks Kenneth Copland is a Christian, to not properly handle a doctrinal issue and just burn strawmen. Your slander is sinful. 2 Thessalonians 2: 1-12

@ericedwards8902 11 месяцев назад

$300 a pop for adults, $250 for kids 6-17! And it's being held at Grace Community Church!

@crownclearwater3152 2 месяца назад

This is powerfull. I often go on medical missions trips and I run into people of certain denominations. I soooo admire their works, their order, and their funding that sustains the ministry. But, I always feel that there is still “something” missing- it’s because of their disdain of the supernatural. On my last mission, I questioned myself, “How do they have a clinic in the Ugandan bush and not believe in the supernatural and in miracles?” In certain situations, only the full expression of Gods supernatural assistance will help us. Denominational order, funding and works can’t heal AIDS, stop a riot, convert an Islamic family to Christ…..

@ApostolicMessenger-ck7oe 4 месяца назад

Outstanding work Daniel! I would add that these Cessationists are in a fight for legitimacy and the preservation of their religious traditions. Charismatics are a threat to their relevance, so they seek to discredit them. The goal is to raise their own profiles by diminishing those effective Charismatics.

@PastorHape 10 месяцев назад

Powerful and true

@WegeausdemSchmerz 2 месяца назад

Dear Daniel Kolenda, as much as i can understand your Emotions on this, i think its also important to note that a lot of people get pushed in the cessecionist direction by empty promises or bad doctrine that they experienced from charismatics. And i am thankful that you point out the errors in the cessationist teachings but we should also take care to not hurt ppl. (For example stuff like „your not healed bc. you dont belive“, direct or indirect is also, at least in some cases, wrong and has done a lot of damage…)

@WegeausdemSchmerz 2 месяца назад

Really interesting teaching, thank you Daniel. 🙂👍

@newtonokai 8 месяцев назад

Golden! Absolutely golden❤

@edwinbartolomey8591 3 месяца назад

Thank You Daniel for sharing your views on this subject. I didn’t know you had initially responded to this Cessationist movement on You Tube in October 2023. I had to respond to Justin Peter’s video which was produced recently right after Jerry Savelle’s passing. I couldn’t believe that JP had the audacity to criticize Jerry Savelle and the “Faith Movement” so soon after Savelle’s passing. I would never be led by the Holy Spirit to do such a thing as what JP did publicly and slander any human being so soon after their death. Even if I totally believed that I was correct and justified in my own views, what he did crossed the line of human decency. There was no love in what he did and this shows his true colors. But it seems like he does not care about public opinion but would prefer as many clicks as he can get on the You Tube channel. So I believe that’s another motive for these Cessationists. It’s easy to criticize others but make money at the same time through this medium. The love of money is granted them by allowing them to slander others ministries and putting them down and yet they have nothing to offer on their own merit or teaching. Where is the compassion of the Lord in their comments? Again, I’m so grateful to have found your response and defense for Continuation as they call it and for explaining the gifts of the Spirit. I look forward to watching the rest of your videos.

@jordanmcgowan793 2 месяца назад

"hey guys don't get too attached to these gifts, they're going to stop working soon" 😂

@DanielKolenda 2 месяца назад

I’m glad someone appreciates my dry humor😅

@solomonsong33 11 месяцев назад

I haven’t watched the whole video yet, but I have to say I appreciate Daniel’s stern approach because I agree it is dangerous and heretical

@timcannon6814 11 месяцев назад

Daniel thinks Ken Copeland is a legitimate pastor. THATS dangerous and heretical. Daniel is a false teacher to the fullest extent of the word.

@toolegittoquit_001 10 месяцев назад

And yet it is Orthodox I wonder who is deceived

@solomonsong33 10 месяцев назад

@@toolegittoquit_001 if you think cessationism is orthodox, you have limited exposure to the rest of the Christian world… the real question is, is it exegetically sound? A belief could be orthodox, but still be wrong…. There’s no way you can approach the Bible objectively using proper exegesis and come up with cessationism . You have to have a built in bias. Not that you’re gonna listen to a random dude on the Internet 😆 but if you read for yourself, the scripture that Daniel put forth with a sincere humble heart before God I think you’d come to the conclusion that though many cessationist are sincere they are sincerely wrong….✌🏾

@marklucero2524 10 месяцев назад

I know a Christian who has believed in cessationism since a child and at 60 he is a very weak Christian. It (cessationism) speaks against the gifts that can edify and strengthen a Christian. No tongues, no prophecy; no strength. It's dangerous to a person's reward at the Bema Seat as well. Being against a doctrine of unbelief (Cess.) in not wrong, it's right.

@gentianviolet2594 11 месяцев назад

ANYONE who doesn’t believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit , doesn’t believe in the Holy Spirit PERIOD

@toolegittoquit_001 10 месяцев назад

Cessationists believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Don't be a nonce

@ronel8204 9 месяцев назад

Thank you Daniel❤❤❤

@sebd8425 11 месяцев назад

having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people. 2 Tim 3:5

@Cletus_the_Elder 11 месяцев назад

I can only hope that with so many speakers on the roster, there will be a plethora of Biblical sources and a compelling argument to come out of the conference. Because, I have not seen it from any cessationist to this date. They seem to think the first century age of Christianity was a unique period with unique gifts, but can provide little support. Would they say the same with the mandate to share the gospel, to baptize, and to make disciples?

@DanielKolenda 11 месяцев назад

Good point!

@matthewrambo3367 11 месяцев назад

This is awesome, thank you.

@holyghostpilgrim 9 месяцев назад

Enjoyed that. Thanks for the presentation. Quite the anointed teacher, aren't chu. Peace in Jerusalem and souls in the Kingdom. You're Blessed

@jmo900 11 месяцев назад

It says to desire spiritual gifts but they each Sunday you cannot have them. Jesus could not have completed His ministry without spiritual gifts. Believe the Bible. The truth is many Christians do NOT want them. The weapons of our warfare are NOT carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds. That is what the gifts are for. They are weapons to fight our spiritual battles. I was in a church service a few years ago and the teacher said he never saw a move of God in 10 years. Well that church does not emphasize the gifts or do not believe they exist today. So where the Holy Spirit is not welcome, no movement of God will ever happen. That means people will not get saved or delivered. If you get sick, do not ask them to anoint you. So, this Sunday, all you have is 3 songs and a short sermon. you will leave church the same way you came in. If the Holy Spirit is not welcome in His fulness, then do not expect any move of God. Sad but true.

@Mse987 10 месяцев назад

If cessationism is heresy, how can be cessationists considered Christian? Heresy means a total opposition of the doctrinal truth of the gospel.

@henryupshaw6099 7 месяцев назад

Because you are saved by faith in Jesus Christ, and what he did on the cross, and not by having perfect doctrine

@zanelowrey7871 11 месяцев назад

This is awesome 😎 it’s about time this was brought up. Praise Jesus! This is great!

@rijoab 10 месяцев назад

Our inner self and also physical self stirs up when we read from Genesis and see the power of God in action in the life of normal people. So much amazing things to see in our life if we allow God by putting our faith in Him. But wait some poison the mind by saying the gifts and power of God doesnt work that way. God is the same yesterday, today and tommorow. He will deliver the captives of all types(sin, diseases, debt) even today because Bible taught me so.

@RUZANNATOVMASYAN 7 месяцев назад

Your sarcasm made me scream laugh and I am here for it LOL

@gabrieleballay7137 10 месяцев назад

Well explained ‼️ Thank you very much ‼️

@propheticdreamer12 6 месяцев назад

I appreciate this! The only difference with me is I do not believe they are truly believers (brothers and sisters). The Holy Spirit cannot both dwell in you and you reject His work and ALSO try to persuade others to do the same. Also, the fruit is bad.

@nategarrison99 10 месяцев назад

The Apostles possessed the gifts of miracles to PROVE and AUTHENTICATE their authority that was given by God. If the miraculous gifts are still around, then you have to accept that there are APOSTLES are still around… God still works miracles, just not through the apostles anymore because they have passed. It’s a miracle everytime a non believer repents and turns to Christ. Let’s hold fast to the Head, which is Christ, and desire to edify His church rather than desiring strange gifts.

@dgarden6961 4 месяца назад

Jesus gave power and authority to the apostles,the 70 and church today.

@jirehbriandimalanta4927 11 месяцев назад

I don't know How others can claim that they Believe in Jesus' resurrection but totally reject His power to Heal today. If He can Raise the dead then how much more Heal the sick!!

@toolegittoquit_001 10 месяцев назад

That's not what Cessationists believe Find better teachers. This one is a dud

@SurrenderedByGraceMinistry 9 месяцев назад

I went to a church who didn't believe in the gifts of the holy spirit. My growth stalled and I fell into a depressing plateau. It wasn't until 2020 that my eyes opened. The church was works based, disguised as Anti-Works based but they believe you needed Baptism to he saved. Although, God can make exceptions to save people like Luke 23. Why? God decided to remove the old covenant and give us the new one. So why wouldn't God do it again? Thats why its called Grace.

@TreePlantedByTheRiver 11 месяцев назад

Anybody know of a church in south east Michigan that celebrates the baptism of the Holy Spirit? Can’t find one..

@davidhiramreyes6490 11 месяцев назад

Search up your local AG church

@blackukulele 11 месяцев назад

The term cessationism, as I understand it, is the ending of the apostolic gifts because there are no apostles now (unless the alleged apostles are 2000 years old Acts 1:21-22). To me, cessationism means that extraordinary gifts of healing no longer are given to individuals to exercise (eg., speaking a word and a blind persons sees because of that word). God still gives gifts of healing to people who study medicine. To other people God gives the gift of being able to learn languages. Again, cessationism, as I understand it, does NOT mean that God no longer does as He pleases. He still heals and converts people (the miracle of regeneration). Our God is free to work by, without, or against means.

@stevewright6800 11 месяцев назад

People have the wrong Idea of what gifts of the Holy Spirit are for today. Charismatics love to appeal to your emotions and not much on theology..speaking in Tounges is not for edification of believers it was a sign for unbelievers and that is why the inspired Apostle paul de-emphasized its use in the Church..if you are on the same page as the prosperity Gospel you might want to check the scriptures in context

@r.praveen5819 2 месяца назад

How DARE you actually have FUN making this episode haha 🤣🤣

@phishhu 4 месяца назад

Most cessationists are that way out of fear of not being in control or because of the abuse they've seen by continuationists. So they just reject all of it. Oftentimes, they feel very justified in their judgment against the continuationists because their own knowledge of Scripture is far greater than that of the charismatics. I used to be a cessationist and used many of these same silly arguments that seemed very good at the time. Thank God He set me free, though. So, I have a heart of compassion to see them set free from these lies. Thank you, Daniel, for doing this.

@graysonbr 7 месяцев назад

I was arguing with a guy online about the $300 charge and he tried to justify costs. To prove him wrong, he pulled up a prophecy conference with Joel Richardson and several other speakers in Orlando @ $129. Yeah, its mind numbing.

@panimosescd8853 11 месяцев назад

I will say NO to this cessationism meeting. God the Father and His Son (Jesus Christ) are still working and his Holy Spirit is still moving and changing and glorifying among the people.