The Hidden Cost of Coming Out | Middle Ground

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0:00 intro
00:16 Coming out has a price
07:02 It's hard to feel loved by someone who doesn't know that you're queer
14:53 You should cut off people who don't accept you
21:10 I couldn't see myself being on the other side today
39:23 I accept myself
44:28 Closing statements

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@jubilee 2 месяца назад

NOTE: The names of the participants on the Closeted Queer side have been changed. Each cast member agreed to have their faces blurred, and was given the option to have their voice modulated.

@balancelimited5057 2 месяца назад

You should probably pin this to the top of the comment section

@Adam-326 2 месяца назад

Exactly what I was saying. Use common sense, people.

@megahnw 2 месяца назад

I would pin this!

@stamzthehuman897 2 месяца назад

Remove the video. The blurring is not enough. The modulation is not enough either. Anyone that knows these people that are watching will figure out in a heartbeat.

@Maya-jg7nj 2 месяца назад

@@stamzthehuman897but the participants all agreed to those terms.

@ethandollarhide7943 2 месяца назад

This video is just continuing to prove that being raised in a Conservative Religious Home doesn't stop anybody from being Gay.

@user-kf2oi4sq5b 2 месяца назад

And it doesn't. More than anything, that environment forces people to live False lives burried beneath all those lies, guilt and shame. It's no way to live.

@Adam-326 2 месяца назад

Not really; there will always be failures. But that’s not the point anyway. The point is to not have them act immorally, which this has been successful at doing. Obviously, not on these people (or else we wouldn’t be watching the video), but on people nonetheless.

@triofan9 2 месяца назад

@@Adam-326Source?

@ethandollarhide7943 2 месяца назад

@@Adam-326 Bro just admitted to hating Gays.

@ethandollarhide7943 2 месяца назад

@@triofan9 They never have any. They just like talking 💩 about Gays.

@Bri-tf6eu 2 месяца назад

please lord do not dox these people

@edocursedmark2693 2 месяца назад

😂😂😂😂

@Adam-326 2 месяца назад

They knew the risks…

@theelectricant98 2 месяца назад

@@Adam-326they were told their privacy would be respected.

@Adam-326 2 месяца назад

@@theelectricant98 Yes and Facebook also tells you that. So does Google. This is the internet. People make mistakes. One tiny unblurred frame and that’s it for you. It doesn’t even have to be intentional.

@Petrichorus- 2 месяца назад

@@timlynchmusicandlessonsooo you’re so cool you’re such a bad boy 😈 everyone thinks you’re so awesome and edgy!¡!

@juliaforgot1690 2 месяца назад

To hear Curran express that he worries people may think he touched their kids because he's gay brought me to literal tears. What a dreadfully horrific thing to have to think about😢

@Kidassassin109 2 месяца назад

I went through that with my mom and little brother it was truly disgusting

@8877dksljfa 2 месяца назад

@Kidassassin109 I'm so so sorry that happened to you, that's horrifying. I hope you are able to heal from that.

@BroJo676 2 месяца назад

My question would be, how many times did it happen for homosexuals to be involved in pedophilic situations?

@jlbcon 2 месяца назад

It's one of the scare tactics used by religion. So not very surprising.

@ElicuuKit 2 месяца назад

@@BroJo676 It's projection

@AlexaGoldSoul 2 месяца назад

Curran unblurring his face just bought up all the tears and the feels!! Such a sweet moment!! I pray that revealing his authentic self to his family has been comforting and full of love!!

@Curra1199 2 месяца назад

It definitely was an experience,

@stephi6792 2 месяца назад

@@Curra1199do you mind sharing how your family/friends have taken you coming out?

@Curra1199 2 месяца назад

@@stephi6792 I said it more in what they cut, but I have been out to most of my friends and classmates for a while, just not my parents. But my parents mades sure I knew they still loved me, though they are still processing

@Whirlbee 2 месяца назад

@@Curra1199I'm glad it did go well afterwards ❤️ watching you do that brought me so much queer joy! I hope you gave an amazing pride month this year being fully out 😊

@tatsf 2 месяца назад

@@Curra1199 Very glad that it went relatively well so far. It is certainly a process that takes time for most. That was my first question when the episode ended - How did the coming out to the parent go?! I hope that their acceptance will grow strong! You were incredibly brave to unblur on the spur of the moment (if that was the case). 💖

@AnotherEmi 2 месяца назад

I'm not Christian (or religious at all, for that matter) but "I can't see a heaven, a place that I would wanna be, without my daughter" made me tear up. That was so powerful

@luckiiemm4470 2 месяца назад

Same, i'm not gay or religious so im not even relating in that way, but that was beautiful

@32Theresa 2 месяца назад

Whew I had to take a deep breath

@Orange56222 2 месяца назад

Same, I’m not religious or queer and that made me tear up rq

@DallinHipps 2 месяца назад

Was that in the patreon or did I miss it?

@ktbaustin 2 месяца назад

Literally. I’m atheist and that ish had me bawling

@AmiriHipHop 2 месяца назад

The pixelated effect on the Closeted peoples' face is very weak. Unless they have family and friends that are easily fooled, I think their voice, bodies and mannerisms alone could easily reveal who they are.

@ifmusicbethefoodofloveplay2290 2 месяца назад

Completely agree. Jubilee should re-upload to pixelate better, maybe their whole bodies, and distort their voices. They're going to get doxxed for sure.

@len-1768 2 месяца назад

I'd say distort their voices to further hide their identities. I also think Jubilee should've advised them to wear long-sleeved clothing, in case anything on their arms might reveal their identities.

@Tenseiken_ 2 месяца назад

Yeah, Jubilee did the absolute bare minimum and it's borderline useless to the average person. They just care about their clicks and numbers.

@reno419rockstar 2 месяца назад

Nobody is watching this sht.

@ifmusicbethefoodofloveplay2290 2 месяца назад

@@reno419rockstar are you lost? 12k views in an hour? Over 8 million sunscribers?

@naffa09 2 месяца назад

Greg’s voice pattern and inflections are so spot on for a youth pastor

@zking2929 2 месяца назад

He's definitely exuding youth pastor energy 😂

@naylaw1928 2 месяца назад

He's oozing Christian dance parties 😂 I love that for him

@Enlightened08 2 месяца назад

@@naylaw1928😂

@UnicornsInLalaland 2 месяца назад

yall are wrapped up in them not being blurred enough but let’s be real. if their family is homophobic they are not clicking on this video

@Muhluri Месяц назад

This is so true. They won't even get recommended this video

@wa11ie Месяц назад

true. people are really overestimating the demographic of conservative religious parents who go on youtube to watch a jubilee video about closeted queer people of all things.

@CamTooFresh 2 месяца назад

Their family members hearing their voice: 👁️ 👁️ 👄

@lisib4835 2 месяца назад

💀

@Capybaraism 2 месяца назад

🗿

@yelljal2764 2 месяца назад

They were given the offer to have a voice modulator and didn't take it.

@urbanzs 2 месяца назад

@@yelljal2764Proof?

@supernovaskies5044 2 месяца назад

And seeing their names... and clothing.

@ceciliacole2066 2 месяца назад

khadija MBOWE!?! the way i clicked so fast

@veronicar3104 2 месяца назад

SAME

@KeepItCute22 2 месяца назад

Love her♥️

@reno419rockstar 2 месяца назад

Women kissing on women isn't a big deal anyway

@nightmaremassacre4716 2 месяца назад

@@KeepItCute22 They're non-binary xx but sameeee

@danielmuianga7849 2 месяца назад

Meet too 😂

@maijennasis 2 месяца назад

I’m kinda sad about Greg. I understood the frustration in trying to get him to understand but he’s obviously at a different point in his journey. Religious trauma does a number and impacts people differently. His celibacy seems like a form of self punishment from the way it was explained. I extend compassion to that perspective.

@fionassharp 2 месяца назад

I understood what he was saying as different to your interpretation. My understanding is he finds fulfillment in his relationships with others without the act of sex. There are many people that have the same opinions as him without the religion included but I think the ones that had past negative experiences regarding religion were letting those experiences affect their interpretation of him and his beliefs. He was very respectful. Ironically Sal was calling hypocrisy meanwhile she was being hypocritical, she allowed her experiences surrounding religion to judge and condemn his experiences and beliefs. Even if you don't agree with someone you can still be accepting and respectful.

@zzzaaayyynnn 2 месяца назад

I agree he might be in a different place in his journey. But what if he became a celibate monk? Would it be okay? Is there such a thing as an "out Queer" who does not have sex?

@Adam-326 2 месяца назад

No, he’s perfectly valid, and more so than most of these other “people”.

@rileydickman9354 2 месяца назад

@@Adam-326Your point is inherently harmful and a net negative on the world when it dehumanizes any group of people.

@Adam-326 2 месяца назад

@@rileydickman9354 Small-minded thinking. Not too surprising, but still. Greg’s not doing anything wrong. He sees the sacrifices that need to be made and he’s actually strong enough to make them. He’s fine, which is more than we can say for the others.

@sarahm7086 2 месяца назад

I also wanted to add my thoughts of - you don’t have to come out! “Coming out” is never a one and done process, it’s continuous and arguably never-ending. You can have your chosen close friends or people know, and that be it! You don’t have to tell everyone. You just have to love your beautiful self fully.

@Random-sk6hm 2 месяца назад

Agreed, you get to decide how, when, and if you come out. Nobody is entitled to your private information.

@RainbowFlowerCrow 2 месяца назад

@@Random-sk6hmExactly! Cis and "straight" people don't have to "come out", so why should LGBTQ people feel pressured to share such information about themselves with people who don't matter?

@32Theresa 2 месяца назад

Thank you for this, I needed it❤️‍🩹

@toutmoncoeur 21 день назад

It's never-ending. If i have a gf, i will say "my girlfriend this, my girlfriend that". But having been single for over 5 years. Ive crawled into an omission closet. I'm tired of having that conversation, where youre preaching or teaching people. Gay men have an advantage, that (for the most part) women won't be trying to come on to them. After you tell them. You tell guys you date women, they start offering three****s. Or looking at you lustfully bc they now have in their mind you can't possibly be a prude in bed. Bc you sleep w women. People treat you as a confessional. They tell you all their same-sex experiences or attractions. They keep on the down low. And At Work. Ive never known what to do! In real life you can always walk away from a conversation gone south. But in a environment, where ur locked in perpetuity w people, day after day, i just think, its mellower to avoid, divisive topics. Whether i like it or not. Its a divisive topic. With a gf, sure, I'll tell everyone, bc, i wouldn't want my gf to not acknowledge shes w someone. i wouldn't her to think, I'm ashamed. Or hiding her. But if just about me. My entire family knows. Thats more than enough.

@jessbarry856 2 месяца назад

It breaks my heart to see people view their parents struggles and sacrifices as a reason to not be true to themselves.

@varany3376 2 месяца назад

Unfortunately there are people who think their struggles and sacrifices entitle them to inflict suffering on other people, so this aberrated thinking manifested before them and will exist even after our generation

@Random-sk6hm 2 месяца назад

Exactly what's the point of escaping horrible situations in order to be 'free', if you can't really be free

@CUP1D0N 2 месяца назад

They actually don’t want to put themselves in financial, housing or social danger.. They are just waiting that one moment they’ll be thoroughly independent from all this to freely be the real version of themselves

@leek6068 2 месяца назад

its sad that that people still may view their child being queer as a 'struggle' and 'hardship'

@amyj4811 2 месяца назад

@@CUP1D0Nthere’s more to it than that. Middle eastern & Asian families are similar when it comes to wanting to honor your parents. Then to recognize their struggles and sacrifices and hopes & dreams for you… it’s not just being scared to leave b/c you are not financially stable etc. it’s feeling like you have failed them & that all their suffering and sacrifices have been for nothing.

@essbee1641 2 месяца назад

Every Middle Ground where it’s some version of “gay versus not gay” always turns into a religious discussion.

@len-1768 2 месяца назад

Just like the gay vs ex-gay video.

@cloroxbitch2491 2 месяца назад

Because brain washing is real.

@Loveiskindloveiskind 2 месяца назад

That’s the main reason people have against being gay

@TyMarie92 2 месяца назад

That’s because religion is the main thing used to shame gay people.

@adriennebaer5837 2 месяца назад

It's ALMOST like religious beliefs are the some of the main reasons queer people are still unsafe

@ChelseaMcMillen 2 месяца назад

As someone who spent a lot of time in a (secretly) homophobic church, I can totally understand what triggered Sal - Greg seems super great 100%, but he had pastor-style word soup going on that is sooooo church-coded.... saying so much so politely but being unwilling to say what you mean in plain language because you know the true statement you want to make is controversial. Really took me back for a second.

@SaffronSeal 2 месяца назад

Yeah, she literally mentioned that she is open about the trauma she have because of mentality like those.

@UknownAgain 2 месяца назад

I’m glad to see someone else in these comments recognize that, seeing all the comments feeling bad for Greg makes me feel like I’m hallucinating. It’s very obvious to me he was trying to soften the way he expressed his views and not step on toes in a way that was very ‘love the sinner, hate the sin.’ Which is still very harmful rhetoric, especially one that is packaged in a book and sold as a ‘Im gay and a Christian’ book, that presumably lots of queer youth in the church might read.

@ChelseaMcMillen 2 месяца назад

@@UknownAgain my intuition is that it's tricky to recognize if you haven't had a lot of experience with it! But if you do....hoo boy!! As easy to see through as glass. I feel for him very deeply. I think if a few things had gone differently for me, I'd be in a similar place of dissonance that he seems to be in. It's like it's impossible to accept full freedom for yourself when you're so used to being boxed in.

@warimikarogo2422 Месяц назад

Reminds me so much of my family.

@user-vu6ke 16 дней назад

The problem is that we make it controversial. The problem is Greg not being able to fully express his points (unless that is how he wants to express himself and his views) because he has to worry about other people's feelings the whole time. Greg has found peace, fulfilment and meaning in the way he lives his life. The minute anyone expresses an opinion/perspective and as a people, including us QUEER people, internalize it showcases unresolved conflict within ourselves and NOT that of others, even if you are convinced that your points are correct. Sal getting triggered by Greg expressing HIS opinions, and HIS views, and HIS experiences sounds like Sal has a lot of work to do to stop being so 'triggered' the whole time.

@sophie1564 2 месяца назад

Although I disagree with Greg, I appreciate his honesty and how respectful he was in his delivery. I also sort of feel for him in the sense that his views come across as a form of self-penalisation for being queer. I hope one day he can come to accept himself *fully *

@BeatriceFiona 2 месяца назад

That’s my issue with him. He’s respectful in his tone and demeanor and criss cross of ambiguous words, but he isn’t in his message, and he isn’t towards himself, which is so sad. He’s saying what he and everyone in this room is, is wrong, ultimately. Just going through mad hoops to find a way to make that sound ok. But it’s not.

@alexanderwilson3096 2 месяца назад

@@BeatriceFionahes respectully disagreeing with them and has a different view i that a crime

@matthewsalyer9804 2 месяца назад

@@alexanderwilson3096exactly! He’s not pushing his views on anyone else, just stating his views. I’m gay, I’m not religious, and I see no issues with what he’s saying. The woman in blue broke up her family so she could go munch on carpet, she’s completely intolerant and disrespectful.

@kaisla5820 2 месяца назад

@@BeatriceFionaHe is just stating what he personally believes in. He said multiple times that not everyone believes what he does and he's completely fine with it. I find it very ironic that the others got mad and judged him for the way HE wants to live HIS life. Isn't that exactly what many of the queer people here had experienced in religious groups? Didn't they want the freedom to choose what they wanted for themselves? Greg chose a different path. He is not hurting anyone.

@josiahscott7789 2 месяца назад

@@kaisla5820exactly this!! he spoke so beautifully and seemed to get a lot of backlash for simply stating his beliefs, which feels quite ironic given the topic at hand

@queenzelamokoena1819 2 месяца назад

KHADIJA BROUGHT ME HERE BUTTON 😂 ➡️

@ryleeburton 2 месяца назад

No fr! I saw the thumbnail and I was like, KHADIJAH WHAT ARE YOU DOIN HERE

@rosellavaughn5394 2 месяца назад

Saaame

@Enlightened08 2 месяца назад

I haven't seen her before. Where else can I check her out?

@nancymbaye8896 2 месяца назад

She's Khadijah Mbowe here on RU-vid@@Enlightened08

@j.b.c.a. 2 месяца назад

@@Enlightened08 On her RU-vid channel, Khadija Mbowe.

@lisagriffin8221 2 месяца назад

Excellent marketing on the thumbnail, Jubilee. I saw Khadijah before reading the title and now I'm here.

@FIREcrochethairstyles 2 месяца назад

Same lol

@Tabbyomwenga 2 месяца назад

They had me with Khadijah thought she was reacting to this episode

@Don_Cross2492 2 месяца назад

Same a ran in as soon as I saw her.

@Brokenfootkid 2 месяца назад

Same

@TheNinjapancake14 2 месяца назад

LMAO SAME

@johannsaintbirne5598 2 месяца назад

I thought this episode was very cute overall but seeing Curran unbluring his face at the end made me feel so emotional, i hope everything went smoothly for him and he got love and acceptance from his family

@Curra1199 2 месяца назад

Thank you! I definitely got love, i don't know if i can say i got 100% access but they're still processes

@mptgvxdh 2 месяца назад

Khadija’s here, I’m here!

@aahpuuh 2 месяца назад

Yeessss I yelled a little when I realized it’s her!!❤️

@theelectricant98 2 месяца назад

Same😊

@Random-sk6hm 2 месяца назад

I'm so lost who is she 😭

@dakweenlyrics409 2 месяца назад

@@Random-sk6hmshe’s popular on tiktok

@Nikki-lh1tu 2 месяца назад

@@Random-sk6hm They are non-binary btw, and they post commentary videos on social issues.

@Iam_Cantrell 2 месяца назад

What’s the point of covering theirface when their friends and family can still recognize them by their voice

@Aloexotl 2 месяца назад

Yea.. I was hoping they would audit their voices

@RollingCalf 2 месяца назад

They can still deny it. But yeah

@arykenzy 2 месяца назад

but not very likely for them to watch this video tbh

@RollingCalf 2 месяца назад

@@arykenzy yeah but someone may share it to them

@AmiriHipHop 2 месяца назад

@@arykenzy That defeats the entire purpose of being anonymous then. "Oh my friends and family most likely don't know who Jubilee is and aren't going to watch this". If that's how they think then why are you hiding yourself at all ?

@Mark.mp3 2 месяца назад

"I don't wanna see a heaven without my daughter" TEARS.

@hockeyboy97 2 месяца назад

These are HUGELY important conversations that need to be had, not only between queer people, but for those outside of the community to educate themselves on. Thank you for providing the platform Jubilee.

@bulelanibotman 2 месяца назад

Extremely happy for Curran for coming out like a boss! BRAZY

@unkind6070 2 месяца назад

Yeah that's was so beautiful ❤

@Curra1199 2 месяца назад

Thank you!!

@khaledshaban7497 2 месяца назад

@@Curra1199 I'm happy for you. I wish you the best of luck with your life.

@hannahclark4593 2 месяца назад

@@Curra1199Congratulations!!!

@Random-sk6hm 2 месяца назад

@@Curra1199 What a legend. I wish him the best of luck and also hope his medical degree goes well

@RollingCalf 2 месяца назад

But yeah jubilee, please fix this video and reupload. Edit their voices or something

@shwetyballs 2 месяца назад

Calm down guys, I'm sure the people speaking were aware before they came on that their voices would not be altered, if anyone on the panel specifically asked for it I'm sure Jubillee would do it.

@6ngelic 2 месяца назад

jubilee said they gave them the option to modify their voices

@koramccarter3625 2 месяца назад

They agreed to this. Bye

@4lovebysara 2 месяца назад

In the description it says that the anonymous contributors were given the option to have their voices modulated. So they probably agreed to use their real voices.

@Random-sk6hm 2 месяца назад

Jubilee should've blanked modulated all their voices. Don't take the risk especially when some of these people are in vulnerable situations and could have friends/neighbours etc. send it to their family members.

@jacksonhoopah 2 месяца назад

It was incredibly brave for Curran to come out on the internet like that. I came out to my friends, then my parents a few months later, then I mentioned it in a youtube comment like 6 months later. It's a really big step. I commend you, Curran I wholeheartedly support all of you💖

@Curra1199 2 месяца назад

Thank you!

@anonymousbo0318 2 месяца назад

No one cares

@Latte23749 2 месяца назад

@@anonymousbo0318❄️🤡

@clairemorris5586 2 месяца назад

So happy they had Greg’s perspective to show that each side doesn’t have to agree on everything.

@HelloWorld-kt7jk 2 месяца назад

finally an episode that features authentic stories, as supposed to the sensationalist/fringe people and topics they usually feature in their LGBT-related episodes

@len-1768 2 месяца назад

Same . It's refreshing to hear personal stories instead of both sides being played like sniveling fools. Politics does that a lot. On another note, what if Jubilee does a Middle Ground episode on pro-Israel LGBT people vs pro-Palestine LGBT people? I bet that would be a disaster that depicts Queers for Palestine as a group of idiots. 😂

@Random-sk6hm 2 месяца назад

Fr and I love that it says *and* instead of *vs* in the title

@seraphim4144 2 месяца назад

@@len-1768supporting genocide is never a flex and you laughing at the matter really shows your true colors 🤢

@kealiiamaoli 2 месяца назад

I hope Curran’s experience coming out to his family went well, and any of the other closeted people if they choose to ❤️❤️

@Curra1199 2 месяца назад

It went exactly how I expected, not amazing but they still love me

@unkind6070 2 месяца назад

@@Curra1199 I'm so happy for you ❤️

@Cwtchaholic 2 месяца назад

@@Curra1199I’m soo pleased for you.

@xnhno 2 месяца назад

@@Curra1199give it some time, trust me If initial reaction went fine, they will be much more accepting and open about it in the future, just never close yourself

@Curra1199 2 месяца назад

@@xnhno yeah I'm not worried and I'm not gonna be not myself

@Random-sk6hm 2 месяца назад

Why did they leave the battery pack change in the video? The tension was palpable 😭

@alpachinko9154 2 месяца назад

Longer runtime 😏

@anaa9245 Месяц назад

lol it was an interesting addition xD

@Pou1gie1 2 месяца назад

@27:00 to @39:30 Initially, I thought Greg was saying that he wants to wait for marriage. Then I was like, "Wait, is he saying he is abstaining because he is still dealing with being gay but is in denial about this?" So, I'm glad that Sal pressed Greg a bit because I think that he too is unsure about his understanding of why he is celibate and how his religion is factoring into his identity. Without Sal, I don't think that would have been acknowledged as an issue Greg is still battling with.

@lolneo8766 Месяц назад

I was so close to throwing my phone against the wall and cussing out loud when he said that 😂 I swear if I was in the room with him I would’ve snapped!

@Isaiahmonteiro31 2 месяца назад

I have a feeling they won’t be closeted for much longer

@Tenseiken_ 2 месяца назад

With this borderline useless "protection" I wouldn't be surprised.

@dannymarie 2 месяца назад

Sometimes all it takes is seeing that people can be safe and find their own community. Especially when you're mormon it's a very isolating experience to be "different" and everything in the religion is tied to family and community. Knowing there's more family and community on the other side is comforting !

@jadacampbell9331 2 месяца назад

I don't understand. They at least disguised 🥸 the pitch in another anonymous jubilee video

@jinhub2175 2 месяца назад

Same

@r.a.l.p.h 2 месяца назад

I actually feel horrible for them

@ggartnstuff 2 месяца назад

1. Remove the anonymous people's first names. 2. Apply a BLUR filter, not a pixel filter. 3. Pitch down & modulate their voices. This isn't very "anonymous" and anyone who knows their family well will be able to identify these individuals if they stumble across this video. Do better for their safety please. Edit: Read the replies please. I'm aware a new pinned comment/caption disclaimer has now been added. I still have my concerns, but I understand now that these people made their own choices regarding their level of anonymity.

@hxpewxrld 2 месяца назад

I believe they used random names

@ggartnstuff 2 месяца назад

@@hxpewxrld I have noticed that now at the end as one person decided to come out with his face and real name. However my other concerns still stand.

@len-1768 2 месяца назад

Jubilee should've told the closeted participants to participate under aliases, like Kafir did in the Muslims vs ex-Muslims video.

@Tenseiken_ 2 месяца назад

@@hxpewxrld Even if they did, that's easily the most redundant thing. The censoring is weak and borderline useless and everything else you can see. Plus their stories.

@hxpewxrld 2 месяца назад

@@ggartnstuff Yeah they do which is why I didn't mention your other concerns, they're vaild

@clareashcraft3411 2 месяца назад

This was so wholesome; I was smiling through almost all of it. This is the type of mentorship we need in the world-- especially imo having Sal and Greg both, so that young people know you get to make your own decisions about what being out looks like for you.

@Random-sk6hm 2 месяца назад

I can't believe Sal is a coming out coach. I didn't know that was a thing but it's so awesome

@kingdomhearts351 2 месяца назад

Khadija is literally the only reason I’m watching this

@kaoshi_kutie 2 месяца назад

Sameee

@maddiediez4065 2 месяца назад

Love her

@malegazeofficial 2 месяца назад

I wanted Khadija to speak moooooore tho 😅

@zaink.7243 2 месяца назад

same lol

@shawnchristianson324 2 месяца назад

Who??

@omaima13. 2 месяца назад

I feel like I’ve been living under a rock or something because it’s seems like everyone here knows who khadija except me so I’m gonna go and try to find out who they are because damn they got my attention before they even start speaking 😭

@copycat7815 2 месяца назад

Hi, this is a friendly reminder that Khadija identifies as non binary uses they/them pronouns❤

@JordaniRoss 2 месяца назад

You should get into their RU-vid channel, interesting stuff

@len-1768 2 месяца назад

For me, the openly queer participant I immediately recognize is Greg because we went to the same school.

@TheNinjapancake14 2 месяца назад

You will love them!

@copycat7815 2 месяца назад

@@omaima13. it's fine, don't feel bad we all make mistakes

@TheDancingHighSeraph 2 месяца назад

Khadija got the QUICKEST click out of me! Seeing their face let me know this was gonna be a safe space and possibility a zero toxicity discussions ❤

@KhadijaMbowe 2 месяца назад

Thank you for trusting my judgment cause y’all know I’ve side eyed jubilee before. 😂 this was mostly a really lovely convo not really a debate

@Random-sk6hm 2 месяца назад

@@KhadijaMbowe Imma be honest, everyone's talking about you in the comments but I've never heard of you. However, you seem like the loveliest, warm person and I have to check out your channel now. Thank you for your discussion in this video 🙏

@gabbym333 2 месяца назад

@@Random-sk6hmdo it, do it, do it! Their videos are awesome.

@upbeatproductions7614 2 месяца назад

It’s just one person?

@malegazeofficial 2 месяца назад

@@upbeatproductions7614 Khadijas pronouns are they/them, I hope that clears the misunderstanding ✌

@DaBoredEagle 2 месяца назад

Despite, committing to celibacy. I still got a sense that Greg was trying to have it both ways. He was identifying as gay, encouraging other people to live out as gay people while saying it's wrong to be gay 🤔

@roxienatura 2 месяца назад

I was thinking the exact same thing. I hope he grows to truly accept himself and his desires.

@TubezThe1 2 месяца назад

Thank you! It's like why even be out if this is how you're going to live? That just sounds sad.

@anonymousbo0318 2 месяца назад

😂 You pissants are so self-involved

@calebcollins5887 2 месяца назад

I think it’s his version of coming to terms with himself and his beliefs. He is gay and nothing will change that, if he acts in that is his choice.

@eun371 2 месяца назад

I think it's his religious guilt

@quietestkitten 2 месяца назад

It's a strange choice for middle ground because everybody is on the same side. But some of these discussions were great

@Random-sk6hm 2 месяца назад

It's unique but I liked it. It's awesome that they put 'and' in the title instead of 'vs'

@christialuella6594 2 месяца назад

This make me want to cry for poor souls who can’t express who they are, in all forms

@garvitaaggarwal4429 2 месяца назад

Glad there was a moderator this time

@jack.blaise 2 месяца назад

There has been for like the past 5 videos :D

@x_x7088 2 месяца назад

He is useless

@cosmiccentaur 2 месяца назад

There should've been one since they started this series tbh

@Random-sk6hm 2 месяца назад

@@x_x7088 Don't ever disrespect Gen like that again.

@jayjay24155 2 месяца назад

Moderator was great, not sure if they're queer themselves, but they gave solid clarifying questions while being emotionally present.

@CampyBiscuit Месяц назад

OMG I cried when Curran gave consent to unblur his face. I felt that so deeply and personally. So proud of him.🏳‍🌈

@Curra1199 Месяц назад

Thank you!!! I'm so glad I was able to bring up the courage

@justine2536 2 месяца назад

Told my mom I have a girlfriend yesterday...Way better to be out when it feels safe to be ❤🌈

@yazaaaz 2 месяца назад

OOP- is that our favorite internet auntie Khadija Mbowe?? 👀🤭 OMG WE'RE SO PROUD OF YOU CURRAN!!!!!

@Curra1199 2 месяца назад

Thank you!!! Still crazy to think that I've finally done it

@lilimandula 2 месяца назад

@@Curra1199 i hope you are doing great!!

@user-hf1qz6ux1o 2 месяца назад

I relate to Khadija and Ocean so much. And honestly to everyone in this panel in one way or another. I'm senegalese born and raised and from a Muslim family. I've been studying abroad for a few years now and although I was scared at first, I'm out to most the people around me. But I'm still closeted to my family both as an ex-muslim and a queer person. And everyday I struggle with the idea of my parents disowning me or hating me if I came out. Both of my parents are openly homophobic and I have to pretend to be a different person around them. It's extremely mentally and emotionally taxing and one of the main reasons why I've struggled with su!c!dal ideation for so long

@oilygrossboy9313 2 месяца назад

Your story resonates with me on so many levels. I hope you have wonderful friends who you can be your authentic self with, at the very least (and hopefully some who have gone through what you're going through, so you can feel truly understood). I know just how isolating and suffocating it can be, when it feels like your family will never know who you really are. We convince ourselves that it's for their sake that they cannot know who we are, but I hope one day there comes a point in your journey where you can share your full self with them. I will be thinking of you and I'll be wishing for nothing but peace, safety, and joy in your life.

@user-hf1qz6ux1o 2 месяца назад

@oilygrossboy9313 omg thank you. this actually brought tears to my eyes. it is definitely still very hard but your words were so comforting. i wish the same for you and more

@reno419rockstar 2 месяца назад

You shouldn't use the word closeted. It's no one's business who you are being intimate with, most people don't care. No one is homophobic, it's not contagious.

@oilygrossboy9313 2 месяца назад

@@reno419rockstar I mean.. the way the word is used is really to indicate that there are a number of truly important people in this person's life who have absolutely no idea that this person is queer. It's easy to say that your sexuality is no one else's business, but imagine if you couldn't share any of the joy that comes from your romantic relationships, with the people who are important to you. And also, being born Muslim, and raised in a particular kind of upbringing that's unique to Muslim individuals, it's really not that simple. If this isn't a life story and journey that you can relate to, then I implore you to practice some empathy and try to imagine why this could be a difficult thing for some very real, and very human, individuals to go through.

@oilygrossboy9313 2 месяца назад

@@reno419rockstar Also, I wanna challenge the notion that homophobia, or any discriminatory behaviours and beliefs, aren't contagious. Lots of queer kids and teens get picked on and are straight up bullied by their peers. Some of these bullies learn to pick on others, perhaps because they've heard a parent say something truly nasty about queer people. Or rather, they see/hear other kids behaving in such a way to queer kids. They then feel emboldened to do the same. Their actions and words cause a ripple effect, teaching other kids the exact same thing. And they carry these attitudes and behaviours well into their adulthood, then passing it on to their own children, effectively conditioning homophobia into the next generation. The cycle then repeats.

@ilTHfeaa 2 месяца назад

Curran sounds like he has such a loving family and I’m so happy for him for taking the next step 🥲

@Curra1199 2 месяца назад

Thank you!

@Cyberdollvintage 2 месяца назад

@@Curra1199 you were so iconic for that Curran! It made me tear up at the end watching. I hope everything went well with your family, rooting for you

@chinenyenwamuoneke 2 месяца назад

while I don't agree with the way sal was calling greg out (i feel like she made it too personal although i understand why she felt like that) I do think it was important that somebody call him out for the sake of the closeted kids because they probably in a really vulnerable place and imagine if they internalized that thinking when trying to figure out what coming out would look for them.

@whychandler 2 месяца назад

i was thinking the exact same thing. this seems a little harmful for them to hear. i hope they talked to the closeted queer people afterward about what he said.

@mangojuulpodsss 2 месяца назад

She didn't make it "personal" at all, she just asked him what he really meant which he couldn't say. Don't victimize Greg because what he did was so harmful, he looked not only at queer people but CLOSETED queer people and told them that queer marriage and queer s*x is sinful. There is no respectful way to go about that.

@chinenyenwamuoneke 2 месяца назад

@@mangojuulpodsss her statement at 32:22 is making it personal tho. there is a respectful way to go about it because at the end of the day it not abot greg. hes going to do what he wants and theres no amount of talking thats going to change his mind. i feel like it wouldve been better to talk to the closted kids instead.

@Random-sk6hm 2 месяца назад

He did just say to her face that he thinks her marriage is 'wrong' and that all queer sex or dating is 'wrong'. That would understandably provoke a reaction from her. To make matters worse she had religious trauma.

@bgebre4031 2 месяца назад

@@mangojuulpodsss are you getting paid to write these comments like why are u under every single one

@xiononi 2 месяца назад

their voices can be heard, their clothes and bodies are recognizable. jubilee what is this?

@Adam-326 2 месяца назад

The consequences of their actions. If they’re lucky, this will be the last they’ll hear of it. If not… it’ll be a fun ride.

@ggartnstuff 2 месяца назад

@@Adam-326"fun"?

@Adam-326 2 месяца назад

@@ggartnstuff Yeah, it’s bound to be interesting, at least. I doubt that we’ll get to watch it play out, though. Maybe they’d start RU-vid channels, but I’m not holding my breath.

@Adam-326 2 месяца назад

@@ggartnstuff Yeah, pretty much.

@ethandollarhide7943 2 месяца назад

@@Adam-326Are you wishing violence on these people? Because it looks like you're wishing violence on these people.

@antondresucks6055 2 месяца назад

Welcome out, Curran, be proud of your journey ❤

@bobapapaya7074 2 месяца назад

I do love how Sal and Greg still respected each other despite not agreeing with each other. That hug of love was definitely needed at the end!

@abcdefg2174 2 месяца назад

I don't feel like Sal respected him tbh

@Yoshimitsu293 2 месяца назад

Yeah, sal specifically said that she doesn't respect his beliefs even after greg mentioned multiple times that he doesn't want to force his beliefs on others and still loves and respects people that don't follow his beliefs. She was so disrespectful to him and his personal choice, that little bit of acting at the end didn't make up for that

@jaynaysay1273 2 месяца назад

@@Yoshimitsu293totally agree. It makes me mad that they allowed it to continue going on for so long.

@pilibab 2 месяца назад

@@Yoshimitsu293She was pointing out the hypocrisy in his beliefs, respecting a person doesn't necessarily mean respecting all their opinions.

@Yoshimitsu293 2 месяца назад

@@pilibab What hypocrisy? he believes she is wrong, but respects her belief and doesn't try to force his beliefs on her. Meanwhile she believes he is wrong and wants to force him to adhere to her beliefs

@sumaiya-ey5zc 2 месяца назад

As a Muslim I just wanna hug ocean. He deserves a community who loves him whole and not just for parts of him.

@PROVOCATEURSK 2 месяца назад

What is the punishment for apostasy?

@sumaiya-ey5zc 2 месяца назад

@@PROVOCATEURSK ….The same punishment that is in Christianity and Judaism lmfao?!? This is not a gotcha especially when there are specific conditions for that punishment(I’m not in the mood to humour an islamaphobe) and documented times in which apostates where treated with kindness and safety (by the prophet)

@anonymousbo0318 2 месяца назад

@@sumaiya-ey5zcYou various cult members arguing when you're all clowns

@AnthropogenicInversion 2 месяца назад

ok but what do you mean by that? is homosexuality included as a core part of his identity?

@sumaiya-ey5zc 2 месяца назад

@@AnthropogenicInversion I mean that homophobe Muslims need to leave him alone.Being gay is apart of his identity and so is being Muslim he doesn’t have to choose smhhhhh

@dafneydorothy1012 2 месяца назад

There was no point in pixelating their faces if none of the other identifiers (voices, body shape, etc.) were going to be hidden

@MineralTown 2 месяца назад

the only thing i can think is that maybe new people they meet won’t recognize them after? idk lol

@illtakeapotatochipandeatit 2 месяца назад

they were given option to modify their voices but they denied ,read the description

@GEN 2 месяца назад

Ayy thanks ya'll for watching - this was a super interesting one to moderate, wait till you guys see the end. Would love to hear your thoughts on this topic

@ggartnstuff 2 месяца назад

Gen, please regard the comments concerned for the anonymity of the closeted individuals' identities. They need a better blur filter (not pixel, full blur perhaps pertaining to their clothing also), voice editing, and names removed, otherwise any relative who stumbles on this video will undoubtedly identify them.

@looney1023 2 месяца назад

please consider that the editing paints Sal as the angry attacker and Greg as the helpless victim, when all she is doing is pointing out the flaws inherent in his belief system, a system which is likely affecting many LGBT youths negatively.

@GEN 2 месяца назад

im not the one editing the videos - im just working together in collaboration with jubilee to host the episodes@@ggartnstuff

@ALEX83566 2 месяца назад

Hiii

@terrenceisbomb 2 месяца назад

I wish you pushed back on Sal when it came to Greg.

@lynchthomas3773 2 месяца назад

having the moderator sitting with the participants was a great move to keep things on track.

@Ravennikole 2 месяца назад

Such a beautiful moment to witness Curran come out this way. Rooting for you King! Hoping everything worked out well with his parents.

@Curra1199 2 месяца назад

It went as well as i was expecting

@Vivacious_Chaos 2 месяца назад

Curran, love you brother! I'm so glad you felt so comfortable and ready to show another side of yourself. Dang, I hope all went well with your folks. 💜

@Curra1199 2 месяца назад

Thank you so much! It went as well as I could've hoped. They made a point of telling me they still loved

@32Theresa 2 месяца назад

@@Curra1199❤️‍🩹❤️‍🩹❤️‍🩹🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈

@SOONJAB1 2 месяца назад

I actually really respect the way Greg communicated his very STRONG opinion in the most respectful way possible. It’s unwarranted for Sal to be coming after him. He’s allowed to have an opinion & he’s not forcing or trying to convince anyone else to change theirs. That’s just the way he wants to live his live. (Could never be me but I respect it)

@ggartnstuff 2 месяца назад

Agree. He wasn't forcing it onto anyone else, just following his personal moral code. I hate others projecting.

@mangojuulpodsss 2 месяца назад

You can’t voice that type of opinion without being harmful, he looked at a lesbian woman with kids and told her he thinks her lifestyle is inherently wrong. There’s no “kind” or “respectful” way to get that across?

@lola_brigitta 2 месяца назад

@@mangojuulpodsssi feel like it's weird to say that you can't have opinions that some people might take offense to. not every person has to be a role model for the "correct" way to live.

@ggartnstuff 2 месяца назад

@@mangojuulpodsss No, you're still projecting just as Sally was. He stated what he felt was wrong *for him* and she, and you, are pushing the idea that that affects other people when in fact religion and religious practice is inevitably different for everyone. I spent a long time in the closet and surrounded by religious homophobes and the sentiment was very different than with Greg. He was not pushing his belief onto others, others are pushing it onto themselves.

@vmarie22456 2 месяца назад

@@ggartnstuffagree with you. She was rude asf.

@skinsey85 2 месяца назад

I feel so bad for Greg for being put on the spot but I think it was also important to clear up those questions and confusion for people who might still be hanging on to the indoctrination. Maybe I misinterpreted but maybe Greg still has some internalized issues going on.

@cloudsofjoi 2 месяца назад

honestly they all do

@malegazeofficial 2 месяца назад

I agree that this topic is important, but the way it was handled was kinda gross. As you phrased it, he was put on the spot, and, imho, not in a respectful way; it did very much feel like a witchhunt. I get that alot of emotions and triggers very involved; maybe it was up to Jubilee to handle the situation better, I mean, what did they expect? Kinda irresponsible.

@alpachinko9154 2 месяца назад

@@malegazeofficialNah, when he was talking about loving yourself in regards to everyone being able to, he was really only talking about himself. He's not gonna care about us on the alleged spitfire anytime soon x

@malegazeofficial 2 месяца назад

@@alpachinko9154 I think the way I phrased my point makes it very clear that I'm not defending his ideology, but very much criticising how the discussion was handled. He did not need to be attacked like that, it's not adding anything fruitful to the conversation as a whole, because no one is learning anything new, and people are just gonna stick to the extreme opinion they already had.

@alpachinko9154 2 месяца назад

@@malegazeofficial I respect your opinion, but I disagree. Having dealt with people with the same rhetoric IRL, they go unchallenged, so dive deeper into it. Everyone's too afraid of what they may do in response, rather than scared of having a conversation itself.

@aaliyahamerson1550 2 месяца назад

I’m so happy for Curran. I got emotional for him taking that step and being encouraged by those around him to do so ❤

@Curra1199 2 месяца назад

Thank you! It was exactly what i needed

@micah459 2 месяца назад

Did not expect Khadija to be on here. Love their channel!

@Nikki-lh1tu 2 месяца назад

Same 🤍✨️, Kadijia is non-binary btw, I also sometimes forget too 😅

@PROVOCATEURSK 2 месяца назад

Do you see double? Math is not mathing. Or is it grammar?

@m_ron2742 2 месяца назад

@@PROVOCATEURSKbruh

@eli10589 2 месяца назад

@PROVOCATEURSK the singular "their" has always been a thing. We were taught this elementary, dumbo.

@anonymousbo0318 2 месяца назад

@@m_ron2742I assume you didn't do well in either subject

@themustar601 2 месяца назад

I’m so distracted by how poorly they are covered up. I can practically see the tall person on the end. Clothes, jewelry, voices, mannerisms, if I knew any of these people even a little bit in person it would be too easy to identify them. If Jubilee promised to protect their privacy then they should take this down and fix it.

@Starkling42 2 месяца назад

Fr I feel scared for them they are so many terrible people online + their parents could easily recognize them

@rgmontoya3398 2 месяца назад

I used to be a Catholic Confirmation teacher as a young adult. It was tough coming to terms that I'm bisexual. Coming up in the church during Prop 8 and hearing priests talking about homosexuality as gross or of from Satan, it made it super conflicting and made me hate myself. I feel for the closeted participants

@oopsibrokethecow 2 месяца назад

I am a convert to the Church. I was really into it until around that same time of Prop 8, when I heard Priests say "If we legalize sin blah blah blah..." in and on. I just remember those distinct words. It was shortly after that I started pulling away, after years of my life being rather devout. I don't think the Church even considered how many people they've pushed away.

@Random-sk6hm 2 месяца назад

I had a similar experience but in the UK it was called Section 28 enacted by Margaret Thatcher's government in 1988 which prohibited schools from discussing homosexuality at all. It was essentially the prototype for Florida's 'Don't Say Gay' bill and harmed an entire generation. It led to a huge increase in state-sanctioned homophobia in schools and general public. Fortunately it was repealed in 2003 but that damage still lingers on today for older people.

@gabbym333 2 месяца назад

Hey fellow bi person with probable Catholic trauma :)

@NikkiBudders 2 месяца назад

@@oopsibrokethecow for every gay they push away they get the families who double down on religion. Because how does one abandon their child because of the church ever justify leaving after that? Hate brings people together VERY effectively.

@PROVOCATEURSK 2 месяца назад

As (former) christians you should know that Satan is not the bad guy in the bible.

@MeganTheVikingTraveler 2 месяца назад

Congradulations Curran!!! Welcome to the club and I am so happy and excited for you.

@sophspice-zl7mn 2 месяца назад

i did not expect to see khadija here but of course i´m here for it

@NS-et5wh 2 месяца назад

The way they went off on Greg is kinda sad to me. He's not trying to impose his beliefs on anyone, and he's even admitting he could be wrong about his beliefs, but that it's just what he personally happens to believe. I'm an atheist, and I fully see how religion has imposed a ton of trauma on the world. I am NOT a fan of religion in general. But on a personal level, if you don't try to impose it on everyone else and you feel more happy and true to yourself with that belief there should be space for that. He shouldn't have to force himself to not be celibate just to make people less uncomfortable with his personal belief

@unkind6070 2 месяца назад

Agree 👍🏻 I felt sad for him 😭 but I still truly understand why they were upset about it.

@xxchaotic1849 2 месяца назад

Oh stop. Don’t victimize him for the premise of a show like this. They’re supposed to question each others beliefs. He’s not a victim for believing gay relationships are wrong and being confronted about it. Don’t start this narrative

@andreachaparro3742 2 месяца назад

Thank you, yes! That being a space for them to openly discuss and talk about their beliefs, they shouldn't be judged or hated for doing exactly that. They're not imposing anything on anyone. Some people say they're open minded but only if they agree with what others are saying

@Curra1199 2 месяца назад

I felt this too, that's why i tried to acknowledge that he's doing it in a better way than others, not trying to impose his beliefs on everyone

@jasmin-manaxa 2 месяца назад

Fr!!!

@mariettamay 2 месяца назад

"Sometimes in the process of coming out, you figure out who the people are who matter most" I almost cried hearing that

@fvances 2 месяца назад

i understand the pushback greg got. what he is saying is what people in the church say when they’re trying to be somewhat accepting. “i’m ok with you being gay but not acting on it within the parameters i set”. it’s super unhealthy and damaging to himself and others he speaks that to. even tho he doesn’t mean it to be/feel like that’s where he’s coming from. he’s still drinking the religious cool aid and i think they were trying to get him to see that edit addition: you can see the religious trauma come out of sal and bit in others by him saying this. it is damaging. and i can see why ppl say he was being badgered, but when you’re badgered by the church your whole life and they’re actively working against you, like in politics, you can see why they had something to say against it and why it became a heated issue

@Brifearless5 2 месяца назад

There’s no problem with disagreeing but Sals response was borderline bullying when it wasn’t any of their business to begin with

@mangojuulpodsss 2 месяца назад

@@Brifearless5 How in any way did she "bully" him?? She literally just asked him to say what he really meant which he was struggling to do??

@danevon91 2 месяца назад

THIS

@terrenceisbomb 2 месяца назад

@@mangojuulpodsssthe face… the condescending “wow”

@mangojuulpodsss 2 месяца назад

@@terrenceisbomb making a face, saying wow = bullying????

@lovatic_101 2 месяца назад

The concept of this video is great but please respect the closeted people’s privacy. Anybody who knows them could easily tell who they are. It’s early enough to still delete this video and completely edit them: their voices, faces, and bodies. Please help them out.. they obviously don’t feel safe in their situations and this just isn’t protecting them enough.

@32Theresa 2 месяца назад

Plz read the description ❤️‍🩹

@LeslieNesbitt-sj5cq 2 месяца назад

Thanks for keeping it real, your authenticity is refreshing

@TheNinjapancake14 2 месяца назад

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@bobapapaya7074 2 месяца назад

This is probably the most respectful and calm episode between the 2 groups I've seen.

@stephtaylor6292 2 месяца назад

Greg is such a sweet person. I don't agree with his beliefs at all but I really appreciated his nuance and self ownership of his beliefs and the way he spoke i think was really gentle and nice. Hes not affecting anybody but himself. But also people coming from the Mormon church upbringing, totally makes sense why that would be so triggering and hurtful to hear at the same time. I think both can be held at the same time with nuance

@cmg25 2 месяца назад

The issue is not “people who aren’t hurting anyone with their beliefs.” The issue is that there are plenty of people who do. Everyone needs to interrogate the ways in which they wield power. If not, it’s very easy for one’s beliefs to inform how others are impacted - which is entirely more subtle than people realize.

@rhambosia1 2 месяца назад

You go Curran, what a cool surprise!

@Curra1199 2 месяца назад

Thank you! I surprised myself

@jdb6026 2 месяца назад

The Mormon apostacy story got me in tears. My mom and dad could never with a move like that, but a boy can hope.

@MBSgoldie 2 месяца назад

Y’all tripping Jubilee had to have thought of it too. For all you know Ocean probably isn’t his real name

@len-1768 2 месяца назад

Yeah. Ocean mentioned early in the video that his parents are Muslim immigrants. Do you expect Muslim immigrants to name their kid Ocean?

@MBSgoldie 2 месяца назад

@@len-1768 my point exactly

@Bioboy590 2 месяца назад

Greg's experience is hardly unique. I love that Jubilee finally gave some representation to the Side B gay perspective on their channel.

@malegazeofficial 2 месяца назад

I'm new to this term, what does Side B stand for?

@alpachinko9154 2 месяца назад

@@malegazeofficialThink cassette tapes.... (Or Google 'em if you're too young to know of 'em)

@malegazeofficial 2 месяца назад

@@alpachinko9154 ahh thanks! I've been raised on cassettes but haven't put that together here 🫠

@malegazeofficial 2 месяца назад

@@alpachinko9154 ah thanks. I was raised on cassettes but didn't put that together here 👁👄👁

@sira8251 2 месяца назад

Yeaaaah Khadija ❤😍

@bsimms583 2 месяца назад

People demanding that their voices be modulated as if Jubilee made the decision unilaterally, are assuming that they didnt consent to the format. Tbh, Jubilee has never given me cause to think they would ignore the concerns/safety of the panelists.

@Adam-326 2 месяца назад

Not even once? What about the “Nina” and “Vegan” incidents? What about how they let these “discussions” promote all sorts of insane theories?

@pleasedtomeetyou1284 2 месяца назад

@@Adam-326what people choose to believe is up to them. Jubilee lets people talk. They’re not promoting anything besides a safe space for opinions and discussion. You can’t blame jubilee for someone else’s opinion. You can criticize them and they can do better, which, I assume, is why they have a mediator now. They don’t promote insane theories, the open a discussion and leave the viewer to their own interpretation. If you’re a person who is extreme and takes everything literally, that’s not jubilees fault because no matter what you’re going to be an extremist until you choose not to see everything in black and white.

@dannymarie 2 месяца назад

But they also use their first names and dont change their voices at all

@Adam-326 2 месяца назад

@@pleasedtomeetyou1284 Yeah, that would be fine if people could be trusted to be rational, which I’m sure that nobody would agree is the case, on either side. By platforming those people, they’re promoting their beliefs. Even if their audience is against it, it’s still out there in the aether.

@lilybeanie6152 2 месяца назад

plus, in the description it says they were given the option to modulate their voices

@MayMayboris 2 месяца назад

can we let Greg believe what he wants to believe? he's not imposing anything on anyone.... that's just what he believes.

@kaylany74 2 месяца назад

yeah because everyone’s reaction was a bit too much... the same way they don’t wanna be penalized for the way they live their lives, they shouldn’t do that to him as well

@grey8596 2 месяца назад

He is imposing his beliefs. He literally wrote a book about it and his beliefs actively harm queer people. So no I’m not gonna respect his beliefs

@kaylany74 2 месяца назад

@@grey8596how is it imposing his beliefs? Idk why people can’t live by their own opinion as if we don’t have free will, its 2024 you can live the way you want. There are so many religions, belief systems, values but its one person in a jubilee video that makes everyone tremble

@isthatacatinyourpocket2548 2 месяца назад

⁠@@kaylany74what were his beliefs can you state them

@advisorywarning Месяц назад

It would have been interesting to hear his opinion on if gay marriage should be legalized. I also appreciated the clarity that they got to by the end although it was a little uncomfortable

@stev6963 2 месяца назад

This was a really great video. It is so sad that the openly queer religious guy still can’t fully accept himself for who he is, and feels he has to be celibate to accept himself. Also I’m really proud of Curran for coming out. ❤ I hope the rest of the closeted ones can eventually come out and find peace and love in their journey, even if it’s not from their family.

@Curra1199 2 месяца назад

Thank you!

@user-fw5gp2me9b 2 месяца назад

greg is following his religion nothin wrong wit that

@CrunchyGreenWater 2 месяца назад

@@user-fw5gp2me9b I agree, and I thought he explained his position very well. I'm an atheist, but I feel like he really IS being authentic to his values and beliefs, and he seems to be a very caring and accepting person. Humans are full of contradictions and paradoxes, and yet somehow we find a way to continue existing.

@SmvrtyPlays 2 месяца назад

Lol but he does accept his self? U don’t accept his religion or clearly respect it 😂

@seekerandthinker 2 месяца назад

@@Curra1199 Is everything went well? I hope it is!

@GothMeUp 2 месяца назад

Closted queer lets give them space its not our business why they dont want come out its their journey not ours. Let's be respectful.

@kenzafaten1461 2 месяца назад

THIS 👆🏼👆🏼👆🏼

@reno419rockstar 2 месяца назад

It's weird to me. Most is self-inflicted. Why do people want to tell people about their sex life?

@user-hf1qz6ux1o 2 месяца назад

@reno419rockstar It's not about "telling people about your sex life". Even for straight people, who you're attracted to or dating is something that comes up all the time in casual conversations. Someone might complement your shirt and you'd say "thanks, it's a gift from my husband/boyfriend" etc. It's not that you're going out of your way to tell everyone who you're having sex with. Straight people are able to talk freely about their romantic partners without second thoughts, fear, or a need to hide, so they don't realize just how often this stuff comes up in day to day life. But if you're queer and closeted, you realize it a lot more because you have to often lie or just be mindful of what you say or show other people so you don't accidentally out yourself

@BeautifulDiaspora 2 месяца назад

@@reno419rockstarHomosexuality is randomly brought up SO much….nobody goes around shouting “I’m gay!” From the rooftops. We’re usually minding our business and the gay-obsessed folks come to us intruding. Also, that “sex life” part was weird.😂 Crazy how people associate every queer sexuality with sex and sex only.

@whitneyhendrix8075 2 месяца назад

@@reno419rockstar someone could just want to talk to friends about who they have a crush on or ask a retail worker for a suggestion for a gift for their husband/wife/spouse. Neither of those have any to do with someone’s sex life. There is a lot that has to do with attraction/ relationships that have absolutely nothing to do with discussing sex life

@TheCreoleSon89 2 месяца назад

I think grilling was brutal. Greg never once attacked anyone’s union. If he wants to stay single for the rest of his life, why are you attacking him? Kind of tacky. I didn’t expect that from any of the participants. It is his life just like it your your life. His core belief is he finds men attractive but it directly contradicts his religious beliefs. And he didn’t once impose those beliefs on anyone. And he also isn’t trying to fool anyone by having a pretend relationship or a relationship with a guy that wouldn’t lead into marriage. He is protecting not only himself but others heart by not giving them the wrong impression.

@harryzhu 20 дней назад

BECAUSE HE IS ON THIS MASSIVE PLATFORM TELLING KIDS ITS OK TO DENY YOUR BIOLOGY AND THE LOVE WITH A PARTNER

@jesss101 18 дней назад

@@harryzhu but.... but.... he was "nice" about his homophobia!

@Cold_S0up 2 месяца назад

Sal was ADAMANT on attacking the Greg’s beliefs geez. Seems like a moment when they should’ve stepped out n come back

@0-gsj 2 месяца назад

yeah, at some point it was just like... is there a moderator?

@esoheosadiaye8114 2 месяца назад

Becos his belief is saying she is constantly in the wrong for who she is although he doesn't impose that on anybody,he believes that her being married to her wife is wrong becos it is not a heteronmative relationship, so she has every reason to feel some type of way about wat he said

@kaylany74 2 месяца назад

@@esoheosadiaye8114khadija is literally muslim and queer so is that an issue? no so it shouldn’t even be anybody’s main focus in this video tbh

@stanley7687 2 месяца назад

Greg said he respects everyone’s journey while also stating that same sex marriage is wrong in front of a woman married to another woman. Do you see the issue?

@Cold_S0up 2 месяца назад

I should probably say also, I’m trans, a total subjectivist (especially with morality), grew up catholic, and I understand well how potent of a trigger it is to hear someone say earnestly that your [queer] identity/life is immoral/wrong. Sal should probably have stepped out and come back precisely because of the emotions triggered, meaning that they were rendered unable to think clearly and communicate. The flip of seeing Greg as on their side to the attacker seemed to turn Sal into defense mode

@Creasey_F 2 месяца назад

It’s so interesting to see how uninclusive these people get once they find out someone holds a different belief. It’s actually hilariously hypocritical

@nadiasmith8752 2 месяца назад

Wait a minute I did not expect to see Khadija

@indifferentPanthera 2 месяца назад

yesss khadija!

@petersonceus_ 2 месяца назад

Khadija ! The queen of articulating what we think inside!

@crystalcutie123 2 месяца назад

I wish they talked more about the "my sexuality is not anyone's business" prompt it got swept up discussing in other prompts. I do think it's great and important to be out to the people you want to be. But I don't think the auntie from down the street owes a coming out speech.

@sunnevacarat 2 месяца назад

Why aren’t their voices edited??

@noemiep7733 2 месяца назад

Read the description

@laincoubert7236 2 месяца назад

i clicked for khadija and stayed for greg catching strays lol

@Otherworldly23 2 месяца назад

Their friends and family are probably not watching this video, but if they hear that someone they know is on it then theyd watch it and give them grieve.

@novadawson2269 2 месяца назад

I felt bad for Greg when Sal was grilling him about what he believes. Just because his interpretation of religion is different than hers doesn’t mean he doesn’t respect her or other queer people. I felt bad for him that he thought that but the fact that he’s celibate doesn’t affect anyone except him and that’s his decision to make. I’m ace so maybe i’m just misunderstanding the value of sex in most people’s lives but if he’s happy with his decision to be celibate and he’s finding love and belonging in his friendships, why can’t that be enough? It at a point where it’s like if he had a different religion than her; you don’t see people getting mad at Christians or Muslims who believe you have to be part of that faith to get into heaven. They don’t have the same religious beliefs and that’s okay. He’s clearly supportive of the LGBTQ community so why should it matter what he personally believes

@PARADOXsquared 2 месяца назад

Except I do see people getting mad at Christians and Muslims for exactly that. There are even sects of both who don't think the other sects will go to heaven because they're doing it wrong.

@angelicamata1823 2 месяца назад

Love your comment. I do want to clarify that she was a Mormon and he is a Christian. Mormons consider themselves Christians but Christians do not consider Mormons Christians. In fact, most Christians would say that Mormonism is a cult…so it’s actually two very different perspectives and I don’t think Sal realizes that.

@maryanom4448 2 месяца назад

Was just thinking wouldn’t their voices be recognised by even if you blur their faces 😮

@nocedias 2 месяца назад

it's giving superhero logic

@Tiababyy 2 месяца назад

KHADIJA 😍💗

@luffypunketa 2 месяца назад

I find it very interesting how much more mature and confident the people who are able to openly express themselves are in comparison to the closeted people. I hope everyone who feels its unsafe to be their true self (me included) gets to taste that freedom one day

@jinmushui1soul 2 месяца назад

Honestly, that's just age. It's a lot easier to come out when you're financially independent, living in a new location, etc.

@chasneystancliffe493 2 месяца назад

MY GIRL KHADIJA WHAT

@arianathompson7989 2 месяца назад

Khadijah what are you doing here 💜💜😂💜💜 Coming back after watching my the video I understand why Khadijah would be on this episode. Andrew’s reveal had me so emotional and I hope nothing but positivity and grace for whatever happens after.

@parisavv6276 2 месяца назад

Khadija, i see you girll♥

@AngelAJ71 2 месяца назад

Thank you Greg for stand your ground and be faithfull to your believes, thats something precious and needed. I get you, like you I've chosen than path and the amount of intolerence one gets from that decision is mad, I believe everyone should be able to have different values, and opinions and still love each other.

@olmed4405 2 месяца назад

It seemed to me the lady was more intolerant than him. It almost seemed she wanted him to condemn his religion and think just like her. It's just unfair not everyone is going to think or believe the same thing. That's the point of tolerance and acceptance

@rodbruh1 2 месяца назад

@@olmed4405to me it seemed like she was trying to get to the root of what he is saying and clearly pointing out the inconsistencies in what he believes and how contradictory it actually is. I applaud him for standing in his truth though.

@eviannam16 2 месяца назад

What inconsistency? He believes that having same sex attraction is not a sin but acting on it is and he was very firm in this belief, not wavering or inconsistent. I’m sure plenty of people have had murderous thoughts but no one has gone to jail for “thinking” on it. Maybe there have been people in relationships who thought about cheating but no one ever broke up with someone for “thinking” about it. Greg is making a distinction between “feeling” and “action.” It’s not that hard to understand.

@j0kerclash289 Месяц назад

@@eviannam16 If he said the same thing about mixed race couples, would you be better able to understand where the problem might be? Sure, keeping it to himself instead of harrassing others for it is way better, but ultimately, at it's root, it's a very insulting and harmful belief to have, especially when pressed on the subject, stated that he thought that his way of thinking would be best for everyone. The inconsistency is that you can't claim that you respect for example, mixed race couples, whilst also holding the belief that them being married is wrong. You're just judging them in your head and lying to them on the surface, which isn't the same as respecting someone.