Honestly anything Bible related should be banned if the media that springs from it is this bad. Think of the children! Imagine how many teenagers could be making out, fornicating, and smoking the devil's lettuce on a Sunday afternoon instead of being forced to watch this mind rotting persecution fetish flick with their church. Instead of teaching the Bible in schools perhaps media literacy, personal finance, and more robust civics courses would be a better way for young people to spend their time, but then again where else could they possibly learn how not to turn into a pillar of salt or how to live in a fish?
Very true. Otherwise they would have come across this one verse who'd solve most problems today: Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. Matthew:7:12
As someone who remembers 9/11 and its fallout, the portrayal of the Department of Homeland Security as a tool of the Woke Liberal Progressive Atheist Dictatorship™ is the most hilarious part for me.
@ReturnofTheBunny Only the Christo-fascist Right could imagine such an absurd concept as a Woke Liberal Progressive Atheist Dictatorship that weaponizes the DHS to track down Bible smugglers. This movie is a projection of their paranoid fever dreams.
Imagine making a Christian nationalist movie and dropping in on a showing to check how it’s being accepted, only to see a theater containing only one raucously laughing trans woman.
Hearing about the line of dialogue that says “changing just ONE word of the Bible is wrong” made my jaw drop. This is unbelievable. They HAVE to know there’s different versions of the Bible historically right? They can’t be this stupid.
Modern Biblical inerrantism is an intensely contradictory and solipsistic thought system. All history is just how God arranged for them to have the only actual correct and true version. All other versions are ineligible and were all part of God's plan to make sure these specific assholes had a perfect text that requires no translation or confusion of meaning, and if you point out the confusing, ambiguous, or contradictory parts, you are just cast out of the group and not permitted to be one of God's Specialest Boys any longer.
"What if bible illegal?" Asks the mfs who are banning LGBT books in public schools and libraries, and who are trying to force children to learn the bible in said schools. "They're coming for our books!!" No hon, YOU'RE coming for MY books.
Because they see themselves as the only true bearers of (traditional) morality and the only true religion. Everything else is the devil's work that must be destroyed.
@@ExtremeMadnessX And not only do they believe they hold the key to what's "true" morality or the true religion, they think they are the ones who truly have the key to understand reality itself.
If their weird persecution-complex future somehow actually happens, I will have no sympathy for them. It'll be nothing they're not already trying to do to everyone else. "Yeah yeah, cry me a river."
If they read the BUY-BULL, they'd see Jesus LOVES trans people. King James Bible, Galatians 3:28, "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." Preach the word!
I bet the creators of this movie consider Jesus to be "too woke" because they only recently found out that adhering to his teachings means treating marginalized communities and the downtrodden with kindness, the opposite of what they want to do.
“What do you mean, I can’t shame women I follow on OF for doing things I’m paying them for?” - The creators of this movie, probably. They’re always so eager to point fingers at others. They need an enemy to fight against in order to cooperate with others, but that goes against Jesus’ teachings.
B-but jesus was a white christian with blue eyes and blonde hair who loves big trucks,beer,firearms,and committing horrible atrocities to other people because he is greedy
The funniest thing about this is if you switched the bible to the Quran or Bhagavad Gita these people would scream that the movie should be banned for being religious propaganda
Fun unrelated fact, My Little Pony has lasted longer than the Confederacy. I find that to be the funniest counterargument to racist losers whining about their heritage.
There have been plenty of times the Bible actually has been outlawed, but the fundamentalist Christians can't make movies about those times because it was being outlawed by other Christians for being the wrong Bible.
@@vylbird8014To quote what a priest said to me “If you don’t like something don’t complain and try to make the thing better just move no one likes f slurs here.”
I can imagine a scenario in which right-wingers bowdlerize and censor the Bible for being too "woke." Mark Driscoll, Steven Anderson, and assorted alt-right figures seem the type to regard major swaths of the New Testament with literal disgust while treating Christianity mainly as a tribal identity.
Sounds like the Christian Nationalists are the ones doing the banning. Sounds like they will be doing the jailing of anybody not a Christian Nationalist, too.
It would be soooo funny if they themselves implemented the law that would have to ban the bible, since the book checks pretty much any content warning checkmark there is.
@@terrencelockett4072 Yeah they have a way to imagine it as like... hating on gay and trans people is the equivalent of a parent giving a kid "tough love" when they start like, doing drugs or crime or something. Like I think the intent is "we hate gay people because we're trying to get them into heaven and save them from the fires of Hell! We don't want you/your kids to be tortured for an eternity!" But obviously that only works if you actually believe in Christianity in their specific way, which obviously many many people do not, but they believe that they're the only people who know what "true morality" actually is.
Genesis 18:1-2 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
@@terrencelockett4072 they don’t have any great examples in the Bible. The book frames r**ing your father as a wholesome way to replace his wife when you don’t have any male suitors. It frames creating a child- by forcing a teenage girl to be pregnant without her input as to whether or not she’s interested in that- only for the purpose of torturing your son to death “because every human being is wicked” and saying it’s to cleanse everybody else’s sins away… like think about that… “he’s my savior” ok but he literally had no choice in the matter his only purpose of creation was to be tortured to death because that makes it ok that you’ve done things wrong somehow. If a human being buys into these twisted narratives young, they’re going to have a fucked up brain. There’s no alternative. Even if they take the stories as metaphor, if they believe this craven book is divine, really let it sink in what that means about their perspective. Honestly. We HAVE TO STOP being nice about it. I think most people are afraid of facing violence for being honest about how dumb it is…
Needing to smuggle religious texts to safety under the threat of violence IS a real thing- it’s just not their story. The Torah scroll we read from at our synagogue survived the Shoa, unlike the whole community the scroll came from. The people who hid it and smuggled it to safety risked their lives to do so, and every time I have the honor of handling that hand painted work of art and scholarship, and reading the same words they once read, I am humbled by the history. No Christian knows how that feels. Christians want to be us so fucking bad, while also hating us. It’s so embarrassing.
Christians in the west dont. Yet. Christians all over the world know exactly what its like. China and North Korea imprisons and sometimes execute Christians for owning bibles. They, China have also created a government aproved bible. Where on Earth has the Torah been outlawed where the Christian bible was not?
Yes, there is a context there. It wasn't that James the 6th and 1st was just a connoisseur of scriptural text, he was in fact seeking to set in place a text which would would be the one which informed the understanding of scripture for the future. It all happened against a background of internecine conflict and the existence of other texts which were intended to accomplish the same goal to the benefit of other sects. The Geneva Bible, The Bishops Bible and so on.
What if the earth were flat? Both possibilities are equally preposterous. Actually, the earth being flat has a 0.001% greater chance of ever happening.
It's projection. The writers believe that in a battle of ideologies, the winner will always act to violently oppress and destroy all who dissent. After all, that's what they'd do if they were in charge.
that is what they are doing as far as they are in charge, no ifs needed. they push as far as they can get it, like a velociraptor testing for weaknesses in the electric fence.
The whole "banning the bible for being offensive" premise really falls flat in a world where you can look up and download Mein Kampf or The Turner Diaries in 5 minutes.
also in the bible ''something something penis being that of a donkey's'' oh and the whole thing about the rape of lot by his daughters (who drugged him beforehand) and then allowed the rape of said daughters (so it endorses ''eye for an eye'') by the entire town they lived in the bible is just authoritarian theocrat fantasy mixed with porn, slavery, genocide and rape hardly family friendly content
"They ruined the Bible! They took out John 3:16, the very heart and soul of the Bible!" "What did they replace it with?" "Some slop they made up about Jesus saying 'What you do to the most unimportant person you meet, you're doing to me' - like Jesus would ever say something mooshy like that!"
@@tylerboothman4496 In all seriousness, speaking as a Christian, I do think that Matthew 25:40 is the real centerpiece of Christianity. It was the text I always referred back to in lessons I taught to my own kids.
@@arcadiaberger9204 I actually just asked what was so "bad" about John 3:16 in this movie's universe. I mean as far as making a "woke" bible in some weird "extra woke dystopian future" or whatever I could see that verse being completely left alone..... So I don't get it.
@@skillcoiler True. You could easily concoct a version of Christianity which would serve the state's interests and strengthen its authority rather than undermine it -- it's been done often enough.
They make it to one of the churches. The service is in session. They nervously take a seat in the pews. The dad makes eye contact with the pastor and scratches his ear with deliberation as tense music plays. The pastor slowly inclines his head. The music climaxes and the sermon resumes. Later as the congregation leaves, the dad stands by a donation box and shoves a wad of cash in. His son says something about how they need the money too. The dad replies with a sage prosperity gospel quip that subtly shames the audience into donating to mega churches. The pastor walks up and gestures them to follow. The group heads to the podium at the front of the church. The pastor opens a song book to reveal a keyhole, which unlocks a hidden door in the podium that leads to a set of stairs descending into darkness. He dons a black robe, hood obscuring his face, and they enter. In the basement chamber, a group of robed figures stands ominously in a circle. Candles around them glow with purple tinted flame. The dad takes off his jacket and holds it up to the candlelight. Glowing letters appear, the words of the Necronomicon, and the figures gasp. The pastor reads over the script as a tear falls from his eye. As the scene fades, the sound of something moving through water is briefly heard.
The spells and rituals in The Necronomicon actually work, unlike the ones in the bible. Pidgeon blood, and abortion potions... bah. Give me ways to call up the great old ones instead.
@@Duchess_Van_Hoof No they don't, they're just vague enough that it's easy to pretend they work. The abortion potion in the Bible *does* work, but it's highly dangerous and doesn't always work. Virtually nothing else in the Bible actually works; even the highly specific instructions which came from real things are more often than not transcribed wrong from the original Hebrew to begin with.
You know, once upon a time Christianity inspired stained glass murals, gorgeous sculptures, countless masterpiece paintings....and now we get this shit.
I think about this a lot too :( sadly, this is the type of art that is most accessible, comprehensible, and profitable, so this is how religious messages are being churned out. The restrictions of media form expectations plus our cultural, social, and political climate equals 💔
To be fair, most of those art pieces were created as a result of renewed interest in Classical period art and philosophy (which was originally created by Pagans).
I like how Christianity is still legal it's just simply the Bible. If you want a movie about real Christian persecution, Martin Scorsese's "Silence" is free on RU-vid like right now.
Also the only western regime that's gotten even *close* to enacting what's in this movie is Nazi germany (they tried undermining/co-opting the religion with "positive christianity"), but depicting the nazis in a bad light wouldn't go over too well with a worrying amount of today's christian nationalists.
The Twilight Zone has a solid episose like that. It is called The Obsolete Man, and has the state agent suffer anxiety and then being executed for being compromised. It ends with the narrator saying that what is obsolete is governments that place no value on human lives.
Don't forget about the countless times that Christians were doing the persecuting and how we're currently hearing temper tantrums about how they can't persecute people anymore.
@@deaddomainI wonder if they'll accept my star wars sith and jedi code lore books as a legitimate religious text (I'm not kidding, jedi is a legit registered religion in the UK😂)
@@SophiaDalkejust makes me believe it should happen to them, religion only allowed in a religious building; as in specifically and solely dedicated to religious service, no carve outs for ''a building with additional facilities to allow prayer'' and no children allwoed to attend services, or religious or sunday schools (below the age of 16), no school trips to religious buildings or facilities, vschools vet the location before even suggesting it as a school trip. this should be international law worldwide, but i'll settle for a few enlightened nations keep it as an outside perspective educational topic ONLY, none of this ''i was fed it it so you should be too'' indoctrination bullshit... oh, did i say indoctrination? i meant grooming, 'cause that's what it is.
That's like a non trivial amount of churches though, the buildings. Vanity projects of one sort or another, be it a religious head or political head trying to prove their devotion or to leave their mark in religious history. if I am not mistaken several of the splinter groups splinter in part because of the sheer opulence of christian temples, preaching a return to more humble observation, be it in simple dwellings, dwellings used for dual purpose or open air worship.
God will communicate in a better, more clear, more obvious way..... God does... I am on YT now after all... And I have no need for you to believe in me.
"Hey, dad?" "Yes, son I've brought along on this mission that can get me killed?" "What's a sa-ma-ree-tan?" "A what?" "These books. The guy in them is talking about a 'good sa-ma-ree-tan.' I think he's saying we should help people in need - regardless of creed and nationality - and expect nothing in return." "No... no! They've been tampered with! God help us..." "Woah, careful, he also says to keep prayer at home or in the temple." "NOOOOOOOOOO"
The real irony here is this dystopian depiction of an authority cracking down on the bible and making sure only their approved version survives is just sorta the early history of the church, and probably several points afterwards
@@IntrovertAncom True, even before Luther, there were plenty of sects with different points of view that were wiped out, often at the point of the sword.
@@PeteOtton almost exclusively at the point of a sword. Including the odd order of holy knights. very convert or die, with emphasis on the die, cause there was always the chance for convert and still die, but now you are saved.
They honestly believe they are the most persecuted of all groups, despite their houses of myth being present on every block, their unlimited power to attack EVERYONE who isnt them, and even managing to orchestrate laws. What they are ACTUALLY angry about is any movement telling them NOT to do all of that, as well as telling them to leave everyone alone.
That is indeed the entire concept of Protestantism: The rejection of the clergy and the hierarchy of the church. That part doesn't bother me at all, really
@@KalebFerrell-qj8mx You can move to a country were it is not the Domminant Religion India it is Hinduis China it is Atheists or Buddhist Saudi arbia its Islam. I don't actaully know if anybody would get mad if you said I'm Christian in these places they might just think its odd
The Christians would finally get what they always wanted. They desperately want to play the victim card. Honsetly movies like this are wish fulfillment for them
i saw the trailer in front of longlegs and there’s a line done in VO included that went something like “…they’re destroying all copies of ‘the original’ bible” and I was like hoo buddy wait until you hear about a fella named King James
So, I practiced for this at church camp as a teen. they used to wake us up in the middle of the night and hunt us through the woods while we found our way to the underground church/prayer meeting. we were hiding from the "secular authorities"
Sounds like someone watched The Book of Eli and thought, "If I made this even more impossible, I could make that idea into a fundamentalist Christian movie." Thanks for watching this for us so we don't have to.
It makes me so pissed when these people create made up realities based on things that ACTUALLY HAPPEN to REAL PEOPLE, except it's happening to groups of people they deem evil or lesser so they don't give a shit. Oppression is not pretty, it's not something you should fantasize about as a non-opressed group. This is sickening
"What if Bible illegal" says the guys trying to make being gay illegal. Stop trying to take other's rights away before thinking someone is taking yours away.
@@Myder_Dragon But they already _are_ doing these things to other people, it isn't just a hypothetical. It isn't that they _want_ to oppress nonwhites and non-Christians, they _are_ doing that
These kinds of propaganda films are perfect examples of how oppressive systems reappropriate and subvert the iconography and imagery of resistance in order to validate their own legitimacy and perpetuate that oppression. It's effectively the authoritarian version of the Uno reverse card. These oppressive systems, by characterising themselves as perpetual victims of persecution, effectively invalidate and even erase the actual victims of persecution perpetrated by those same oppressive systems. It's basically, like: "maybe the REAL bigots, oppressors and fascists were the PROTESTERS we met along the way!" It is one of the most common tactics of oppressive and authoritarian systems.
Oh, simple. These people are the type to ignore 99% of what's written in the bible, all the parts they dislike don't count (like helping the marginalized and so on), so what's left to print is just the hateful paragraphs they flock towards 😂
This is such a turner diaries-lite ass plot. The Bad People hate us because we're so right and awesome, and we're powerless to defeat them, but also they're weak and stupid so we will win someday, but also they're actually completely infiltrated with people who agree with us. If a true believer isn't a fascist before watching this they probably will be once they're done.
@@whatabouttheearthyou’re so close…keep going. The narrative that you believe is going to happen sounds just like this movie concept. The concept that is super unbelievably stupid and ridiculous and implausible. So…what does that tell you about the narrative that you believe?
God is a cat in a box, both dead and alive based on your feelings: Eat a tasty ice-cream and God is very much alive, watch some YT and God is very much dead.
And like Gods Not Dead this is set in an alternate universe thats nothing like ours because otherwise none of the shit they portray would ever fucking happen.
Having grown up being educated in a Christian nationalist cult (Abeka curriculum), this all tracks. I was told repeatedly in the 90's that this was going to happen any day now. Entire generations of children have been raised to believe fervently that they are someday going to be martyred for being Christian, if they don't manage to cause the End of Days to happen first. There really is this mentality of constant threats to both your physical life AND your spiritual life. It is absurd from the outside, but being raised inside of it makes it seem not only normal, but natural and logical.
I was raised under the seventh day Adventists (they're the sister denomination to The Jehovah Witnesses). One of their whole shticks was 'The end times' where one day the antichrist will persecute Christians until Jesus comes down to save us all. It gave me horrible doomsday anxiety to the point where it encompassed my every waking thought. I eventually got over it when I started to drift away from the religion altogether.
I'm amazed that as derivative as the film was they couldn't even manage the Fahrenheit 451 thing and have people who memorized the whole bible as the method of getting around the ban, instead the ban was just, canonically ineffectual.
It's an incredibly silly premise for a movie, but you COULD potentially do something with it. When I heard about it, I laughed but also was curious about what could happen to make the government ban the bible or how this government sanctioned new bible was different. Glad to know none of the actually interesting questions about this idea get answered. That's very typical of these Christian self-victimization fantasy films.
I like the idea of turning it into something cyberpunk. Thematically it's a perfect fit - Christian hackers in the underground fighting against state control, smuggling banned data and coordinating resistance, pulling off prank-heists to embarass the government. But commercially, I imagine the venn diagram of 'cyberpunk fans' and 'Christian cinemas fans' looks something like a pair of spectacles.
@@Attaxalotl mind you, i'm defining anything with major and overt Christian (and not overtly anti-Christian, for that matter) themes as "Christian cinema". that being said, Silence, Hacksaw Ridge, and Jesus Christ Superstar were good. for mildly varying reasons.
The idea for a film that surrounds "What if the most popular book in history was made illegal" is actually a really fascinating concept. They could have done something with that. Too bad they went the route they did.
I work at a movie theatre and the viewers of these films are always convinced we are sabotaging the film 💀 they get upset that it wasnt in the theaters very long or the air conditioning was loud
That’s the most schizophrenic thing ever 😂 my movie composed of D listers or lower, directed by some preacher, made with a $20,000 budget didn’t get a good turnout?Clearly we’re being sabotaged
@@JackgarPrime also like bro do you think I - the ticket checker- controls how long a film is in theaters? With things like fathom events we have 0 control over anything we don't decide how long it stays that is a contract things
this is why the best christian movies are unironically horror movies with christian themes/aesthetics. though the demon possession movies can get samey sometimes.
The supernatural pieces of Christian Lore are really fun. Catholic imagery of Hell is also something else. Literally painted by a mentally disturbed man.
I LOVE The Conjuring movies. All the people I hang with are left-leaning to be fair, and too many of them have hang ups about it because the Warrens in real life were con artists. That literally doesn’t matter to me at all. In the Conjuring universe being a Christian is basically a super power and that rules. In The Nun the macguffin is literally the Blood of Christ. Like damn, that fucking rules
"So they delivered the bibles IN THE JACKETS" Me: "Okay, so they probably took those bibles they found in the basement and stuffed them into the fabric or something." "Except the bibles aren't hidden in the jackets..." Me: "Oh, maybe they hid them in the pockets? Did they have a key to a lockbox or something?" "They were PRINTED IN INVISIBLE INK" Me: "Oh for Stolas' sake."
Their was a big dust-up in Europe known as the Protestant Reformation where Catholics believed the Bible should be only in Latin and interpreted by priests. It was illegal to have a copy of the Bible in the common tongue in many Catholic kingdoms. Centuries of war ensued. The Protestants won but the Catholics kind of hung in there. The Bible is printed in hundreds of languages today.
The answer is never. The bible in the form recognisable now came to be as a process of selection and compilation of texts into the Gospel. The decisions which led to this were made at the Council of Rome in A.D. 392 and Council of Carthage in 397 A.D, convened by Pope Damasus I . Various texts which were read at Mass were given to St. Jerome, who translated these into what would become the New Testament, along with the Septaguint, into Latin. By this time Christianity was already the state religion of the Roman Empire. The persecution of early Christianity, which terminated during the reign of Emperor Constantine predates these events by over 70 years. At the time when the persecutions were ongoing the Bible (as we understand it) didn't yet exist. Various local Christian groups throughout the Roman Empire had simply been using whatever texts they had available to them, some of which didn't make the final cut. It can be presumed that they hadn't had all of the texts which *did* make the final cut, so that some books of the bible were only received by them after the standardisation into a single set.
I have a theory that this script was originally going to be about a world where all literature was banned. Hence the massive amount of surveillance. If so much as sending a text was illegal this amount of policing would make more sense. However they realized their audience would be for that kind of world, so they made it just about the Bible.
LOL, no. I don't know why you're desperate to make this something deep! This is classic Christian persecution complex stuff that shows up in so many poorly written media in the Christian lit/film genre. Watch couple Christian films and you'll see what I mean!
"A world where all literature was banned" Thankfully we already have that story, and its name is _Fahrenheit 451._ I'll take a classic dystopia novel over Christians' weird victim fantasies any day.
@@sandpiperryou see this and have to call them desperate, I see it and think they’re making a simple joke that illustrates the absurdities in the script but hey what do I know
@@callhimtim3188people are also banning F451 while the main character literally reads the Bible, is nicknamed Ecclesiastics, and quotes passages from his memorized books from the Bible in the end
So the Bible still exists in this universe, just altered in some way. So Christianity still exists here... it's just practiced slightly differently... but we don't know how different because they never actually address the problems that got it banned. Amazing. What a non problem they wrote for themselves
also the closest thing in reality to this plot are things done by other christians lol, christians are the ones fighting with each other about what version of the bible is acceptable and banning certain versions
This ties into how there are no other changes in the world. Christianity in this mold believes of itself that it has no effect on reality, that all things are completely controlled by God anyway, and that the only thing that matters in the history of the universe is whether or not you personally commit to the extremely specific set of doctrines in their preferred version of the Bible. Doing good deeds is *actively frowned upon* because then you're trying to *earn* Heaven, whereas the only allowable position is groveling gratitude for unearned salvation (and then basking in the attendant good feelings from being Saved without having to do any work on yourself or the world around you.) Changing the words in their favorite book is the only true, meaningful harm they can imagine within the philosophy they've built, which is why you get so many people leaving their churches when they can't manage the cognitive dissonance between wanting to do obvious good things (feeding the hungry, providing medical care, being welcoming to the homeless) and what the dogma says is the only Good action, convincing people to convert to your particular behavioral mandates.
The Christian regime can't pull off a movie like this because truly exploring the idea would also mean having to show why other books and media should also be allowed and they can't have that because they want them banned.
04:55 There's real franchise potential to this concept, how about we call it _The Furiously Fasting_ **dramatic music** We have a truckload of stolen bible DVDs that need to be on the other side of town yesterday, each of you get 12 supercars, we expect a lot of wrecks. But remember **music stops** it's gonna be a while, and there's no snickers. **dubstep kicks in** **bible pages go flying, explosions, Vin Diesel yelling "NOOOO!"** **music stops, camera pans to a partially unwrapped candy bar with one bite taken out** Vin: "We were family, man" **stomach growls, camera cuts to black, shot rings out, credts roll**
So I actually want to touch on something as a former Evangelical. The part about changing even a word in the Bible being bad seems like kind of a throwaway thing in the film, but I actually grew up believing this. People in my church always warned me that we had to read the King James Version and that there were people who were changing the words of the Bible (the NSV, NIV, etc) and that anyone who was changing the Bible was wrong and evil. I also grew up with the idea that Christians were extremely persecuted and that I had to be careful carrying my Bible around (despite the fact that I lived in a super rural, ultra Christian area) to the point that I thought that I was being a rebel for carrying my little pink Bible around with me everyday. They're very good at getting into your head if you grew up in that sphere and it's taken a lot of therapy and deconstruction to undo a lot of the damage they did to me growing up.
I'm not doubting you, religious fanatism does that to people, but it's genuinely wild to me that no one questioned that, considering the Bible was written LONG after the fact, meaning for many generations its contents were passed on purely in oral form, so even the most "original" version is tainted by human changes. Those original parts were also written in Hebrew and the like, so translations were yet another human change to it. How can someone look at all that and go "yeah this bastardized version I own is the one true word of God and any other changes to it (even though they may literally be more accurate to the original) is sacrilegious?
Okay so it sounds like we grew up in similar places, the difference was just that mine was one of the few non-religious familes in the area. I still have a visceral memory of the exact tone people would use with their baffled exclaims of "You don't go to church!?" However, even I wouldn't say I was persecuted. Judged, for sure. But persecuted seems a bit dramatic. I mean, no, it wasn't nice being told I'd go straight to hell or that I was a bad person because I wasn't Christian, but no one beat me up, my dad didn't lose his job, stores didn't refuse to sell to us, and no one came to my family's home as part of a torch wielding mob. So, my question is...how, when you lived in a place where basically everyone was Christian, did you believe that you were persecuted and were being rebellious by being open about following the same religion everyone else did? That's the part I don't get!
@@sandpiperrAs another former evangelical, all the "persecution" was always happening to someone else, *just* outside my circle. The stories of people getting spat on or threatened by protesters(who were supposedly protesting my specific church existing lmao)were always like "this happened to my friends brothers girlfriends aunt's babysitter and it's 100% true and They really do hate us"
The persecution complex is literally off the charts. Yes, literally: I made a chart and I'm immediately having to add more paper to one side of the bar graph such that it extends past the confines of the page.
Credits roll, the camera zooms out to reveal the theater, Brett and Josh chuckling as a pan through the wall behind them reveals a street scene. A book burning of “woke” materials, drones patrolling overhead, and battered twinks being carted away. Roll credits for real
basically nazi burning books who so the people wouldn't in fact fact check and realize it's just a normal books/research paper because hey easy to burn a book than fact checking it
The choice to have it be the Department of Homeland Security instead of police or FBI goes to show that the people making this movie think those organizations are on their side, while DHS isn't. I wouldn't be surprised if I went through statements made by Donald Trump and found one where he criticizes the DHS in any way.
Of course they made it. They said "It will cost us 2 million to make but, hey, you know Christians will spend millions to see movies telling them how persecuted they are."
Second comment: The part about there always being TVs on in the background and social media or even print media not seeming to exist makes sense, considering the target audience for this film is old people who watch FoxNews all day long!
@@wilyriley_ You're overthinking it. In Fahrenheit 451 the TVs were part of a mass hypnosis effort by the authority that wanted to control people. In this, they're used as lazy exposition. TVs aren't actually serving a purpose, they're just a deus ex machina so that world building can happen through news reports in the background rather than them having to actually figure out how to work it into the plot. Not to mention Fahrenheit 451 was written long before social media, so that one has an excuse for it not being a thing.
The worst part about their premise is they are slightly admitting that the bible they want to believe in promotes hate. Christianity isn't outlawed, they've tried to create a more loving and accepting version of Christianity, yet that's what a lot of the main characters are against. They want a society based on Christian hate as a form of supposed "tough love", where accepting people for who they are should be outlawed or at least not accepted behavior.
As a man of faith, who went to the same church his mother did, and live stream a church service every sunday, Please don't lump me in with these people. I have absolutely no tolerance for the fearmongering bible thumpers. God is supposed to bring comfort and light, not fear and darkness.
"...despite the theater being empty, it was filled with my laughter." That's pretty funny! And being a Gen X gay man who moved from LA to the Bible Belt to help my elderly parents, I need the laughter. The possibility of an impending christofascist theocracy is not very funny, so we laugh wherever we can.
Another apocalypse christian movie but it's a heist movie this time. Why not have a heist movie where bibles are stolen from a church which hold the churches funds for unknown reasons then a group of characters have to recover the bibles. They could add drama, those funds were going to be used to help pay medical bills... for a child... that's an orphan. It would give off less persecution complex vibes. And they could at least paint it as, christians will go to extreme ends to help people.
Intense Cringe aside, I still can't believe some people actually perceive the world this way. That their problems matter at a global scale, that they're being persecuted everytime people talk about inclusivity, that they have to die for their beliefs just so they can hold peoples attention for five minutes. It's sad but also hilarious.
It's extremely boomer coded in your future banned bible dystopia to have your bible distribution still be actual physical copies, unaltered and undisguised in any way instead of say...blasting encrypted digital copies all over the internet and putting them on tiny, discrete, anonymous USB drives and SD cards? I would say it's just the writers being terrible, but I think it also speaks to what people like this actually value, not the content of the bible but the image of it, the iconography.
No other group in human history has every wanted to be oppressed more than Evangelical American Christians. This movie looks great, thanks for the recommendation 😊😊😊😊✌✌💕💕
Underground bible mill? So, in this movie computers and USB drives and those little cards and the really tiny ones have all been un-invented? Everyone's back to printing presses?
The movie opens: the Bible is illegal distribution is punishable by being cancelled on Twitter. Scene 2: Our hero, Jake, signs up for NordVPN with code BIGMONEY and connects to the servers of the Vatican Library. Scene 3: Jake remembers he has never read the Bible in his life and doesn't care enough to start now, he closes his browser tab and returns to his dozen porn tabs.
In fairness, they actually addressed that with the phone scan scene. If they had digital copies, those would be sniffed out with the magic holographic hate speech detectors. This might be the only plot hole they actually filled, looking back on it.
They could always make a movie about the several times throughout history real-life Christians were persecuted for their faith, but that would probably lead them to make it about Christians of color, which I guess doesn’t appeal to them as much, for some reason?
This sounds like a South Park episode. The fact that it's meant to be taken seriously places it in The Room level of stupid. Sadly, the intended audience is not smart enough to get it.
Christian cinema will never cease to astound and flabbergast me to no end. Zero artistic talent, writing skills, or acting ability, and consistently misrepresent reality in the most ridiculous ways imaginable.
It’s a little tragic in some ways, I think there’s a wellspring of untapped potential in Christian mythology, but in order to make something of it you need to be interested in actually making good fiction instead of Jesus propaganda. Also it’d require Christians to have a thicker skin and not freak out at artistic license or depicting the faith or its aspects as flawed or vulnerable in any serious way.
they isolate themselves from normal people so it ends up looking really off. there's a good reason why Jesus hung out with the impoverished, prostitutes, and the sick
It's because they promote each other, so it's all about who you're friends with. They all promote each other's books, films, podcasts, sermons, political campaigns. I've said a few times "omg, how are they so bad at this? I'm not even Christian and I could easily write a better Christian film!" And I could. However, the chances of it ever getting made are even slimmer than selling a regular script in Hollywood because I have no connections to the Evangelical movement and they'd find out pretty quickly that I'm not even Christian. They don't care at all about talent. It's just about do the right people like and trust that you're loyal to the movement.
@@Colddirectoragreed. A religious movie with Christianity is a great idea but too many of these movies are made by people who seemly can not take constructive criticism or have a nuanced discussion.
Oh my god💀 This movie was filmed in my home town. I know every single location used and both my dad and little sister were extras in it🥲 I had no clue until I came home from college this summer and I definitely didn’t actually know what the movie was about… This is really embarrassing 😭 Edit: I forgot to mention that the writer/director/actor Brett Varvel is a close family friend 💀
this is the christian version of how SO MANY popular teen ya novels for straight girls are just "gasp what if our entirely heteronormative white love was not allowed for some fascistic reason and who we are born to be was considered a crime and us having heteronormatively romantic straight sex was some kind of rebellious edgy thing and our love itself was a rebellion against society. truly nobody could understand our fictional plight, this is so reflective of the human experience" as every queer person gives yet another collective sigh in frustration oppressor/ruling classes/religions/majorities absolutely LOVE to invent worlds where they experience the same kinds of prejudice the people they harm do on the daily, all while pretending it's not an absurdist mockery of how powerless we are under them 🤷♂️ gotta cosplay victimhood somehow ig, even if it requires writing absurdist fiction that'd never happen ever
I understand that it can be frustrating, but I think most of these "reverse" stories are written with good intention, and have the positive effect of showing people how it is to live as a minority. It helps their understanding of real life issues, and I think that's a good thing. Of course, this movie isn't one of those. The filmmakers clearly don't TRULY consider this a reverse scenario, they consider this something we are already on the brink of in reality. They truly DO feel persecuted simply by the notion that anyone BUT them also has rights.
@@JackgarPrime They're exaggerating a bit because if there's anything that's everyones easiest and favorite target, it's anything that young women like. Why do you think Robert Pattinson was the butt of every joke until he played Batman and the men decided he was now acceptable? It's not necessarily about straight relaitonships being banned, it's more the appeal the idea of forbidden love holds to teenagers due to their naturally rebellious nature.
@@sleepysera Agreed. Not to mention, the idea of forbidden love is an ageless theme. Even Romeo and Juliet is about two people who are rich people from noble bloodlines, so them being together isn't actually taboo by the standards of the society of the day. However, the easiest and most popular target for people who like to think their interest are better and more sophisticated is anything that young women and girls like. Not to mention the obvious, that "I moved to live with my dad and on the first day of school I met a completely normal guy in biology class who was really hot, and later he told me he thought I was really hot too, so we started dating and no one objected because we're both two absolutely normal, middle class white people" would be very short, boring book! But so would any book if it didn't have made up complications. Examples: - "Former Marine and current CIA analyst Jack Ryan is assigned to look into some chatter about a terrorist plot against the United States, so he assigns lower level analysts to pour over the hours of data captured by surveilance programs, coordinates with field agents because someone in his position doesn't go into the field any more, has his subordinates summarize their findings, and then presents them to DOJ officials so that they can advise the President on policy." - "A middle aged mom and former journalist is shocked when her sister dies unexpectedly. Officially her death is ruled an accident, but then she finds something disturbing on her brother-in-law's computer, so she does what any reasonable person would do, reports it to the police and lets them handle the rest because what other choice is there?"
@@terpsidance. No, there is no "plan"... The problem of evil is easily overcome by either of these conclusions; God is not real, God is not benevolent, God is not almighty. I would argue there is no proof either way, so whatever people claim it has at least got to be self-consistent. It comes down to you getting to choose what you think "God" should be.. should "God" be almighty or should "God" be benevolent.... but you can't have it both ways... If God must be real, then I would choose to think God is benevolent, therefore God is not omnipotent.. And indeed creation seems the absence of omnipotence.. after rules have been drawn, the potential for all other rules has been lost. God with a capital G seems a hoax, but god with a little g who can do absolutely nothing for you and has no bearing on an alleged afterlife seems much more "real" than some desire to be "omnipotence adjacent" instilled in people by mortal fear or other emotional pains.
@@MrMichiel1983 I would like to ask though, don't you think at that point "god" isn't even a god anymore, but simply a slightly more powerful being, like humans in comparison to germs?
Enjoyed this! As a Catholic in Louisiana, the recent law requiring the posting of the Ten Commandments in schools makes me sick. Not because I feel that there's something inherently wrong with not killing people or not stealing, but because our government is NOT our church. I don't understand why Evangelicals feel so threatened by that simple fact. It's not complicated - don't act superior to others, don't be mean to people, don't demean people, and don't let your faith be the single WORST part of your personality. Most of my friends are not believers and guess what? That is okay. They're good people, and it is entirely NOT up to me to decide what the God I believe in feels about them. Further, those friends (some of whom are gay, take recreational drugs, or have chosen "alternate" lifestyles) have never tried to shut me down for my own beliefs. Mutual respect works - these "filmmakers" might try it some time :) Again, enjoyed this review of an unintentional comedy!
The trailers for this showed up in theaters recently, and one of the first things I noticed was that it wasn't in the TRAILERS part of the previews, but in the paid ads section. The second thing was just how amateurish it was. Back when Netflix was still mailing DVDs, I remember the EXPLOSION of truly, comically awful movies I watched from these no-name studios because distribution was just so cheap. And this was looking that level of quality. Not even "Syfy Originals" standards. It's a premise that requires so much silliness, and I love how badly it's getting hammered.
Don't forget the real out there ones that believe he was an aryan from Atlantis. Or russian, like that weird russian conspiracy theory that posits that all of like the last 2000 years or so all happen practically at the same time and somehow all the big acomplishments or people are russian somehow. With like several big historical figures all being the same guy and such. The russian version of the conspiracy that like "them"TM made up like 500 years of european history and this it's like 1500 something right now
I love how they cry persecution for imaginary crimes yet they are the ones actually burning and banning books, forcing their views on others, and willing to persecute anyone who doesn’t fallow their rules. Be nice if they had any understanding of irony.
Funny thing is this movie would've been okay if it took place in North Korea where the Bible (as well as other religious books) is actually banned and you can genuinely go to jail if you're caught with one
Christians don't care about helping people who actually need help. That would actually require them to listen to other people and put their needs over their own persecution and savior complexes.
It's funny how instead of making the movie about a dystopian future that will never happen, addressing real world issues might make you seem smarter or at least the film more interesting.
